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Kruz
28-03-2008, 04:20
Hi!

I need some of you old-timers to refresh another old timer's memory (which fades with age, as you know... :cries::D)


My old Warhammer 40k books are in storage. I seem to remember that the Rogue Trader Imperial Guard army lists were, essentially, "Space Marine Light", as in they were the same as the Space Marines but with Humans instead of Marines. Same ideas, same setup and layout, same armor (Tanks, not Power Armor). You had Attack (Assault?) Squads, Tactical Squads, Heavy Weapons Squads, your armor was the Rhino for an APC/IFV, the Predator or Land Raider for your tank, and you had access to the same Heavy Weapons that the Marines had. Plus Beastmen. And other Abhumans. Which the Marines didn't. They swapped it up with robots and lasguns instead of bolters...but realistically it was essentially a modified Space Marine list.

Am I right about this? Is the above para correct? That was many years and even more beers ago. I started playing again recently and my memories of my "old days" may be fogged over by IV th edition and the new Codices (Humph... you used to get the army lists in the rules book, all the fluff, and you didn't have to buy any damned Codex, AND 30 troops cost you US$16.99.:wtf:!!) If any of you can give me some info about this without the Games Workshop Inquisition shuttling me away at night, I'd appreciate it. Help!

Jellicoe
28-03-2008, 08:29
I dont have my old compendium to hand but in essence you are correct, the landraiders and rhinos were interchangeable between Guard and marines. Tactical squads ,a ssault squads and heavy weapon squads were all present with a far greater range of interesting weaponry (conversion beamers anyone?) They also had Ogryns, sentinels (eggs on legs) and rough riders along with beastmen, human bombs and other amusement, also had access to Robots and Dreadnoughts too

And yes it was a hell of a lot cheaper in those days and I count my blessings that I hung on to my old gear - 30 marines for a tenner and 3 rhinos for a tenner - bargain!

Bregalad
28-03-2008, 08:57
I am not a specialist on IG and SM, but IG then had Land Speeders and even jet bikes!

Archangel_Ruined
28-03-2008, 14:09
Yeah, the bulldog jet bikes, I had one of those knocking around not too long ago. Things have changed, but I think they've changed for the better.

OnnO
28-03-2008, 15:13
Hi!

I need some of you old-timers to refresh another old timer's memory (Humph... you used to get the army lists in the rules book, all the fluff, and you didn't have to buy any damned Codex, AND 30 troops cost you US$16.99.)

:)
Yeah and in those days we had to share the two dice supplied with the game (those were made of flint or bone).
And the boxes were made out of wood, not that cheap splintry wood that you kids know no, real hardwood.
And we didn't use models, we used acorns and if we were lucky we had a dead squirle wich we used as a tank (had to share the dead rodent though...).

Sorry, couldn't resist :)

As a fellow old-timer I know what you mean; all was simpler, cheaper etc... but all in all: it's still good :)
I don't have my RT books at hand, but I think you summed it up nicely.
Hmmmmm, robots...

elphabea
28-03-2008, 18:55
Yes to all of the above. I miss the old days too:cries: I am painting up 60 of the old plastic guard, still my favorites for some reason..... to use as conscripts. Good old White Shields.

sigur
28-03-2008, 19:07
Well, the IG and SM lists were a little different, especially as more and more different troops were added with the time. RT changed very much in the course of it's lifetime.

Ranting about the price changes over the past 20 years don't really help anyone so I'll stay out of this. I don't have any problems with codex books because the background of 40k is MASSIVE (the most important thing is that we have to preserve the background GW tries to deny) and it is just impossible to fit everything into one book (eventhough Codex Imperialis, as a compilation, is a masterpiece).

Sure, we all can mourn how good it was back then. I wasn't present in the 40k universe back in the RT-era but got all the books and stuff and I honor 40k's past but the game is an entirely different thing today after GW tried to turn it into a "tournament system" in 3rd edition.

ThruggBullneck
28-03-2008, 19:15
First post, but I think I found the right place.

Rogue Trader Imperial Guard: I guess it depends on which variant of RT you were playing.

Rogue Trader
Regular troopers of the Imperial Army had a 90% chance of carrying a lasgun.

Chapter Approved: Book of the Astronomicon
Imperial Army units were a mix of tactical variant squads, abhumans and an assault squad; armour consisted of bikes, Land Raiders, Imperial Speeders and Rapiers (gun platforms).

White Dwarf Compendium
The Imperial Guard is made up of command sections, tactical squads, support squads, assault squads, abhumans, Rough Riders, Whiteshields and penal troops. These were supported by Sentinels, robots, Land Raiders, Rhinos, bikes, Land Speeders, jet cycles, support weapons and Grav Attack deodorant dispensers.



I started playing again recently and my memories of my "old days" may be fogged over by IV th edition and the new Codices (Humph... you used to get the army lists in the rules book, all the fluff, and you didn't have to buy any damned Codex, AND 30 troops cost you US$16.99.:wtf:!!) If any of you can give me some info about this without the Games Workshop Inquisition shuttling me away at night, I'd appreciate it. Help!

I recall the poor quality of plastic compared to the metals (though loved the versatility) and how rules were littered across countless issues of White Dwarf. I also remember complaining how expensive everything was.

elphabea
29-03-2008, 00:04
I remember back in the day.... There was an advertisement in White Dwarf. It was for $100 lifetime White Dwarf subscription. I figured Citadel/GW would go the way of most fig/game makers and be out of business in a few years. Twenty years later.....
I liked the old guard lists, lots of character and such. The problem was as Thrugg said the rules were spread over half a dozen issues of White Dwarf. Made playing a chore! The randomness of weapons were kind of fun. Rogue Trader was really a glorified wanna-be RPG taken to tabletop. Lots of paper work and quirkyness. Realms of Chaos took it to another level.
I dont know why the old plastic Guard are my favorites of all time (Steel Legion close second). It is fun setting them and the old "egg on legs" sentinals. The kids at the store I play at are awe struck. Most think they are from another company. It is always fun telling my opponent my toys are older than them! GO GUARD!

sigur
29-03-2008, 00:16
...I also remember complaining how expensive everything was.

Hehe, this is an amusing relief. Welcome to Warseer, Thrugg; I'm looking forward to more quality posts like this.

The quality (sharpness of detail) of the plastics wasn't quite as good as the quality of their single-pose successors but they had single bitz, were just as posable as today's miniatures and had many wargear options with them.

The problem of the rules being scattered across several issues of WD is the price you pay for a pre-internet-era open (you may call it "living" by today's definition) ruleset. On the other hand, I can't imagine people complaining about "their rules not getting updated for decades" or something like that. I think that GW went a bit too far away from the quirkiness but thankfully seems to return a wee bit of it; see Codex Orks and Apocalypse (eventhough this one is a bit of a double-edged sword).

Archangel_Ruined
30-03-2008, 00:00
I've never met anyone who could really argue for a full return to the mentalness of RT. You could have marines with shruiken catapults fighting alongside dinosaurs... That said, the sense of humour really dropped out of GW with the birth of 3rd ed, I miss that somewhat. It's nice to see some fun elements returned to the game with the ork codex. the shokk attack gun table takes me back a few years.

PKAGustov
30-03-2008, 06:59
I started collecting IG back in the RT era, right before 2nd Ed was released. I think the only book I have left is the Compendium, but I still have about 200 RT era Guardsmen. They form A Company of my Regiment.