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Kurisu313
01-04-2008, 09:23
Hi there, I'm gonna start talking and hope a point drops out of the end of this, please bare with me.

I'm starting an army of chaos renegades based on my DIY loyalist chapter called the dragon guard. The story revolves around the third captain finding a daemon weapon which corrupts him and the third company.

Overall, the army will be undivided, but the chaplain went a bit khorne (along with an assault squad)

Now, I decided that I wanted my DRAGON guard to be summoning daemons that are reptilian in nature. The DH adversary list allowed me to make my own non-aligned daemons, and I was chuffed by the generic 'lesser daemons' in the new chaos codex.

I've done some conversions based on the plastic saurus, with fire running down their backs and tails, based on the Balrog's design (and *cough* charmanders...). I then decided that a converted balrog would make a great greater daemon.

Now, I got wondering, how fluffy is it to have some kind of tribe of daemons that all share a common theme? Daemons are supposed to come in a wide variety of shapes and forms, shaped to a degree by the imagination of mortals. So if my dragon guys start worshipping chaos, and a bunch of dragon-like daemons come from the warp that would be acceptable wouldn't it?

Additionally, is it ok for them to be non-aligned? I've always understood daemons to be part of a God's power made manifest, so how could mine be non-aligned? Maybe one of those 'minor warp entities' we hear about?

Thanks for any help

DantesInferno
01-04-2008, 09:29
Yep, that all makes perfect sense.

It's perfectly plausible that the beliefs (and latent psychic powers) of summoners would cause summoned Daemons to take on a specific form.

And Undivided Daemons are perfectly plausible too: just look at Furies from the previous Codex. They're either formed from one of the lesser undivided warp powers, as you suggested, or from the greater majesty of Chaos Undivided itself...

The idea that Daemons have to be one of the recognisible types based on the four main gods is a fiction, a product of the limits of models to be produced and space in Chaos armylists.

Hellebore
01-04-2008, 09:59
I have an idea for you.

They are the graphic representation of Heresy and its results in the Imperium. Fear of burning for eternity has formed these fire daemons and they are summoned as a graphic demonstration of the Emperor's malice toward his citizens and as a punishment for those who do not follow the 'true' teachings.

If an emotion is strong enough you'll find it made manifest in the warp. If the emotion exists, there will be a daemon of it - A bit like Porn and the Internet...

EDIT: also adds some nice irony to the mix.

Hellebore

Kurisu313
01-04-2008, 10:01
Thanks, Dante.

That's pretty much what I thought. The problem I have though, is that furies are one type of Daemon. In addition to my lesser daemons, I want a reason that the Greater Daemon follows the same theme. If it works out, I might expand the daemons into the new daemon codex, using a lot of 'counts as'.

I think I'm gonna have to invent one of those minor warp entities. i just can't decide to give it a cold reptilian feel or burning with anger, lol

Kurisu313
01-04-2008, 10:05
To Hellebore:

Oooh, Hades-themed Daemons! Might need some refining, but I like the basic idea.
Thanks!

Hellebore
01-04-2008, 10:12
If you were going to use them with the daemon codex, I would suggest a few units of Flamers of Tzeentch as 'Exterminators' or something. To get the burning death across.

A Lord of Change with some firey psychic powers could also be good for the Balrog.

Also makes a bit of a difference from just a straight 'Khorne with flames on' as well.

Hellebore

Kurisu313
01-04-2008, 10:16
That's true - need to see what powers the LoC has in the new codex, though.

Flamers? Oh, yeah baby!

Hellebore
01-04-2008, 10:18
This is the most up to date list of rumoured rules to appear in the daemon codex:

http://warseer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2397354&postcount=11

Hellebore

Magister
01-04-2008, 10:30
How come Undivided is the weakest of all the chaos powers? Surely it should be strongest, being all of chaos?

Kurisu313
01-04-2008, 10:49
To Hellebore:
Thanks for the link. Half my saurus daemons have fiery blades (bloodletter stand ins), and half have claws (daemonette stand ins). I'll probably do coldones (flesh hounds) and saurus cavalry (bloodcrushers or pleasure seekers). And as you say flamers. Won't make any decisions until the new codex is in my hands.

To Magister:
Kinda agree, but remember, the gods don't work together well. Hard to imagine khorne 'sharing' a greater daemon more powerful than a bloodthirster.

Magister
01-04-2008, 18:55
That point has merit:D