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NovaHawk
09-04-2008, 11:26
im trying to make a high elf army that is fun to both use and play against for using against my friends, but which is also competitive if i use it in tournaments at gw or similar places..

heres what im thinking:

Noble: Great Weapon, Armour of Caledor = 118pts

10 White Lions: Full Command = 180pts

10 Lothern Sea Guard = 120pts

Tiranoc Chariot = 85pts

= 503pts

firstly, is this army any good at all? i was thinking of mabe swapping the noble for a mage, or the chariot for a bolt thrower or swordmasters

also what would it be best to drop to get i below 500pts if i were using it in a tournament? it wont matter in friendly games though

thanks in advance for any ideas

_Lucian_
09-04-2008, 11:49
In such a small army you will really need some shooting. The main concern about your army is why should the enemy come to you? and can you endure 3 turns of shooting going to them? In 500 points lothern seagaurd can be very effective but unfortunatly i dont think it will force an enemy to come at you, so if your lothern are shooting (eg static) and white lion moving, you have spilt your already small 3 unit army up. I personally think the Reaver Bow would help on the hero (although it depends if your using the border patrol rules and a hero point cap limit), or maybe that mage.

I personally prefer swordsmen to white lions. But thats a moot point depending on your opponents troop selection. Over all i think your army has fallen into the trap of being average. In 500point games armies often specialise alot, especially in tourny's. Your best choices might be to swap the lothern for plain archers (much cheaper). However in 500points i feel high elves struggle unless you go mage.archer,bolt thrower,chariot combo

NovaHawk
09-04-2008, 13:58
wow thats some very good advice... thanks

the reason i dont take archers normally is because i mainly play for fun, and i dont really like using gunline type armies... also i was going to use white lions rather than swordmasters because i prefer the models

but thinking about the advice you gave, maybe two units of lothern sea guard, a bolt thrower and a mage or noble would be a slightly more competitive list?

it would give me a strong shooting phase whilst allowing me to move my army around and also contribute in combat

without the army book with me i think its possible to field two units of 12 or so sea guard with a bolt thrower and hero?

_Lucian_
09-04-2008, 14:09
10x lothern seagaurd = 120 points
10x lothern seagaurd = 120 points
Repeater Bolt Thrower = 100 points
Mage + lvl 2 = 135 points

total = 475pts

so you would have 25pts to play about with,

so thats shields for 20points maybe. Or dropping the mage to lvl 1 and getting a Ring of Fury. Either way its possible but your other options are limited. Maybe trading 1 unit of lothern for a tiranoc chariot might help save a few points and have the option of a counter attack

Lotho
09-04-2008, 14:17
Alternative list.

Noble with Gem of Hoeth 130
15 Spearman 135
10 LSG 120
RBT 100
= 485

Strong Hero with some Magic, good CC and Shooting, with a few points to spare.

_Lucian_
09-04-2008, 14:24
Only problem with Gem of Hoeth is you will have 3 power dice, and only 1 spell you can use 2 dice to cast with.

NovaHawk
09-04-2008, 17:06
thanks for the ideas, for your list lutho i would probly go with either a proper lvl 2 mage or a noble with great weapon and caledor armour rather than a mix of both

so maybe:

Noble with Great Weapon and Armour of Caledor = 118pts

15 Spearmen with Full Command = 160pts

10 Lothern Sea Guard = 120pts

Repeater Bolt Thrower = 100pts

= 498pts

or replace the noble with a lvl 2 mage and drop the command on the spearmen?

that seems like a very fun list to use as well as a competitive one

Ptolémée
09-04-2008, 18:50
Nice list, I like !

Maybe, you can drop the 10 Lothern Sea Guard for add 5 Silvers helms with shield + musician. Just a tips.

_Lucian_
09-04-2008, 19:31
well the silver helms would be a good idea. But in such a low points game i think a cheaper chariot could do the same job. All options though. Another thing to consider is maybe the Lion Standard on your spearmen, nothing like 1 failed fear test to ruin it all

Ptolémée
09-04-2008, 19:37
If he takes 5 Silver Helms with musician + shield and he drops 10 Lother Sea Guards, he has 501pts...He can drop the Silver Helms's Musician OR drop the Great Weapon (noble) and take a Halberd...? But the actually list is really good !
I prefer dropping the Silver Helms's musician :)

_Lucian_
09-04-2008, 19:54
Well i think the problem is 1 repeater bolt thrower is extremely suseptible to enemy shooting, and once that is down he would have to split his army up and move towards the enemy. if he atleast keeps the Lothern he can still try force some forward momentum from his opponent

Ptolémée
09-04-2008, 20:04
Oops, sorry my english is bad, I have'nt got understand your post in beginn...Sorry.


But in such a low points game i think a cheaper chariot could do the same job

Yeah, but Silver Helms have a best Unit strength and a best armor save.

_Lucian_
09-04-2008, 20:09
Well the toughness of chariot and ability to operate at 100% effciency untill it has lost 4 wounds makes it better imo, also the auto-matic S5 makes it superior if you get a decent roll. Once again its a moot point. But hey the chariot has 2 bows ;)

NovaHawk
10-04-2008, 09:12
i have been using silver helms in my last few games, and although they have the potential to work really well, they did terribly in my last few games

i may go back to them at some point but for now a chariot seems like a good replacement if i decide to include a fast unit

Lotho
12-04-2008, 06:21
The other problem with silver helms is that they arent core in the new book? Your list would be illegal because you'd only have the Spearmen. Good luck in your games ;).

Overt_Spy
12-04-2008, 07:09
The other problem with silver helms is that they arent core in the new book? Your list would be illegal because you'd only have the Spearmen. Good luck in your games ;).

Now High Elves only need only one core unit in under 2,000 pt play, one of the changes that came with the new rule book.