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Zachariah
13-04-2008, 01:49
So, this is a really quick one and the title says it all. Looking to start Ultra army and want it to look every bit of "codex adherant", but know know what color helmet the captain would wear... if any.

Also, are there other helmet colors like the BA have (y'know for devastators and all that)? I know the squad sgt. usually wears a red helmet, but that's all the more info "How to Paint Space Marines" can give me on the subject.

Thanks.




-Zachariah

Pilgrim
13-04-2008, 11:52
Captains have, as far as I can remember, never been shown with any variant helmet colour. The helmets are often modelled as a tad more ornate than the basic design, but they are still the same colour as normal for the chapter in question (ie: blue for the Ultramarines.
Basically, the company captain is in the same colour scheme as his subordinates, albeit with rather more ornamentation in the majority of cases.

As for other variant helmet colours. Sergeants wear red, veterans wear white (and veteran sergeants red with a white stripe down the centre). Other than that, the various specialist squads are designated by shoulderpad badges (rather than the helmet colours of the Blood Angels). Usually an upwards facing arrow for tactical squads, an upwards facing chevron for support squads, a four pointed arrow (with the points facing the corners) for assault squads, and a crux terminatus for veteran squads (and nothing for scout squads).

Hope that helps. Feel free to ask if you have any other questions.

Adrian

LittleLeadMen
13-04-2008, 12:02
If you are a serious fanatic about this sort of thing, it's worth dropping $30 to buy a copy of Insignium Astartes. It's THE resource for these types of questions re: space marine markings.

Bloodknight
13-04-2008, 12:13
Or make it cheaper and buy a 2nd edition codex, either Ultramarines or Angels of Death. For a codex chapter, they include the information you need. (although things have changed a bit. The iron halo for example used to be the rank badge for a corporal, ie the guy who leads the 2nd combat squad of a 10 man squad).

LittleLeadMen
13-04-2008, 13:36
However, the Insignium contains significantly more information- it's as complete a resource for this topic as you can expect to find.

Archangel_Ruined
13-04-2008, 17:12
If you want to start a complete codex chapter I'd also go out and find a lot of holsters as they all should have bolt pistols, etc. It's the way things are going and it'd be a shame to paint them to the letter of the codex and then get blindsided by a rules and equipment change.

recceboy
13-04-2008, 22:13
Yup ,they are Ultramarine Blue as according to the Insignium Astartes. However, each Captain would add some Heraldy of some sort from previous battles.

Zachariah
14-04-2008, 00:26
Outstanding! In fact I'm working on ordering "insignum astartes" as I type this. Thanks guys.

Sgt Biffo
14-04-2008, 05:18
Warning: Pedantry follows!:angel:

Officially the Codex Astartes stipulates that everything is to be painted grey. To be exact; Codex Grey (which is were the term comes from).

Chapters repaint all equipment in their own colours later. Paint schemes have been known to change over the centuries.

Pilgrim
14-04-2008, 09:19
I'd assumed that 'codex grey' simply referred to the unfinished gunmetal colour that a lot of this equipment would have (at least, the stuff made out of ferrous metals or alloys).
Sort of the same way that a tank or car, for example are just the colour of their basic raw materials until they get a coat of paint for weatherproofing and/or camouflage and/or decorative purposes.

Adrian

battle captain corpus
14-04-2008, 09:55
I think it completely depends upon his previous positions also. Yes once getting the rank of Captain he is able to incorporate his own heraldry into his armour etc, this may consist of him retaining his veteran (white) or even vet sgt (red, white stripe) helm.
Insignium does characterise them with blue helms, and this would seem a logical choice, however I would try adding some personal touches in there too.
:)

Dragonlv8
14-04-2008, 09:56
purple helmet's for the win.
But seriosly try it, there is no background ive seen other than GW allways having Blue helmets.
also if your doing ultra please for the love of the emporer don't have a gold trim...

dblaz3r
14-04-2008, 10:14
purple helmet's for the win.


Oh so funny, thankyou for the bedtime laugh :)

Leftenant Gashrog
14-04-2008, 21:36
However, the Insignium contains significantly more information- it's as complete a resource for this topic as you can expect to find.

I'm not sure thats actually true, I'd say its about even with Codex: Ultramarines - IA includes fluff on command squads, company veterans and Captains, but omits to mention who crews a chapters independent armoured units and also omits chapter specific helmet markings such as those used by the Genesis Chapter, White Scars and Imperial Fists.

Sgt Biffo
15-04-2008, 00:31
I'd assumed that 'codex grey' simply referred to the unfinished gunmetal colour that a lot of this equipment would have...

Well there you go.:) I could try and hunt down a literary reference for you if you like?

Pilgrim
15-04-2008, 09:17
Well there you go.:) I could try and hunt down a literary reference for you if you like?

Well, just some idea of where to look'd do. I don't mind doing the hard work of scanning through my own books :).
I was just curious because I don't remember reading a reference to actual codex grey paint before.

Adrian

ctsteel
15-04-2008, 10:27
I figured the paint colour would have been just a name, much like chaos black or warlock purple.

The Highlander
15-04-2008, 11:39
Paint it whatever colour you want. By the time he gets to Captain rank he can do pretty much what he likes (as long as the Chapter master doesn’t mind).

Sgt Biffo
15-04-2008, 13:37
Well, just some idea of where to look'd do. I don't mind doing the hard work of scanning through my own books :).
I was just curious because I don't remember reading a reference to actual codex grey paint before.

Adrian

I think it may be in the Completation (red book) off the top of my head.

Victomorga
15-04-2008, 13:41
why wouldn't it be white, like other officers / veterans?

Müller
15-04-2008, 13:41
White or Red depending on company and rank...
I, however have changed my Ultras' theme around a tad...

I apply one layer of ultra blue on the armor, then I ink the entire armor blue, then I semi-drybrush all inked areas Ultra blue again, not only will this give great depth with all recesses shaded but also gives the whole main blue a much darker and more sinister look...
Then I use black knee- and elbow-pads (along with my shoulder pads black but with blue trims)... all my helmets are painted red, with green eyes... I don't use gold unless on characters and some vet. squad leaders, instead I use standard boltgun metal on the chest eagles/winged skulls/etc...

check out my few pics in the gallery section and you'll see how it looks like on my special characters...

(My Ultra chapter happens to be of the 5th ultra company which is where the black comes into the picture)

Zachariah
16-04-2008, 04:07
Funny, I was thinking about 5th co. too... or maybe the reserve company with pink/purple trim.