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Nerak
23-04-2008, 08:25
Okay, with all the various talk about the HH, the Emperor and the custodes (and so on...) I just wonder, what happened with the Sensei? Have they been written out of the gw fluff or do they still hang around in the shadows? As I see it the senseis are one of the most cool things that's ever been around in the 40k universe. there the Emperors offspring dammit, they should be kick ass and psykers who don't really have any problems with Daemons and the void. So here are the questions:

1: Are the so called Blanks (soulless) Senseis?

2: Senseis where supposed to be powerfull psykers with no touch of chaos in them, any concrete fluff on this (I know, this goes against the previous question)

3: What's the deal with the Illuminati and do they really want to sacrifise the senseis so that the Emperor can be raborn?

4: How come that the Illuminati have access to the black library?

5: If you could use a sensei in a 40k game, what would there stats be?

6: And finally, do the senseis have anything to do with the Emperors offspring?

7: Are the Custodes senseis?

Thanks for any answers^^. Iv'e been intrested in this for quite a while.

Iracundus
23-04-2008, 08:57
Okay, with all the various talk about the HH, the Emperor and the custodes (and so on...) I just wonder, what happened with the Sensei? Have they been written out of the gw fluff or do they still hang around in the shadows? As I see it the senseis are one of the most cool things that's ever been around in the 40k universe. there the Emperors offspring dammit, they should be kick ass and psykers who don't really have any problems with Daemons and the void. So here are the questions:

1: Are the so called Blanks (soulless) Senseis?


No


2: Senseis where supposed to be powerfull psykers with no touch of chaos in them, any concrete fluff on this (I know, this goes against the previous question)


They are not supposed to be powerful psykers. They are not detectable psychically.



3: What's the deal with the Illuminati and do they really want to sacrifise the senseis so that the Emperor can be raborn?

Yes


4: How come that the Illuminati have access to the black library?

Because the Eldar guardians of the Black Library permit them to since the Illuminati have suffered and fought off by themselves a daemonic posession and are more resistant than your average human to the wiles of Chaos.



5: If you could use a sensei in a 40k game, what would there stats be?

A normal human. They are not superhuman superhero wannabes. Their powers relate more to their resistance to Chaos, their inability to be detected psychically, and their general inspirational abilities rather than overt wizbang supernatural powers.


6: And finally, do the senseis have anything to do with the Emperors offspring?

By definition, Sensei are the Emperor's offspring.


7: Are the Custodes senseis?

No

TheBigBadWolf
23-04-2008, 09:08
were they not killed off in a little story bit in the back of the 3rd edition rulebook IIRC, i will check and see when i get home


1: Are the so called Blanks (soulless) Senseis?

No they are parihas (sp?)

Iracundus
23-04-2008, 09:11
No, it was a Starchild cult. All the Sensei of the galaxy aren't gathered in one place. They are spread all around.

TheBigBadWolf
23-04-2008, 09:13
was there not a bit about them, im sure i remeber reading about them in it somewhere

Iracundus
23-04-2008, 09:14
They were mentioned in that bit about the Starchild cult that was suppressed.

TheBigBadWolf
23-04-2008, 09:19
Ahh cheers :) i couldnt remember at all

Finnith
23-04-2008, 09:55
1. Blanks or soulless arnt sensei. This is the absence of any warp presence. Sensei have a strong but invisible one.

2. I think they are very powerful psychers, with zero chance of accidentally falling to chaos or having demons pour through their faces. However they can make the moral choice to follow chaos and become Grey sensei. The trick is that there is no way of knowing they are psychers without witnessing them use their powers. They dont register towards other psychers or any test.

3. Yes

4. Think so but cant remember why.

5. They are immortal, heal very quickly, skilled fighters, great leaders and able to inspire people to acts. In game you could get the effect with an inquisitor (lord) with a psycannon, refractor field and a psychic hood. Think Jedi ripoffs and you cant go too far wrong.

6. Sensei are the male offspring of the Emperor when he was in his wandering around phase. These guys are however infertile so cannot pass on their genes. However I think it was hinted at that the female offspring have a very remote chance of producing a sensei. Like an extremely recessive gene, it would only occur if the mother and father were related way back when to the emperor.

7. Nope, think they are some pre-primarch experiment.

Archangel_Ruined
23-04-2008, 10:39
Finninth is on the money. I seem to recall that a fair few sensei were killed when the starchild cult was destroyed, as they'd gathered many in their quest, however not all of the sensei were.

Iracundus
23-04-2008, 11:30
It never says they were killed. The Inquisitor's memo only says they were removed. Given what is known about the Illuminati, it is just as likely if not more likely that the Sensei were captured.

There is also nothing said about Sensei having to be male. Sensei by definition are just those offspring of the Emperor that exhibit those particular traits.

Tiamat
23-04-2008, 16:16
Wikipedia has a section on them under "the emperor of mankind", a summery of the info found in the old realms of chaos books of nigh 20 years ago.

Basically, they are the immortal children of the Emperor. A living (unliving?)god he may be, but to think that in his thousands of years, he never once got it on is just crazy.

They have tremendous psychic power yet remain all but undetectable as they blend almost perfectly with the warp, allowing it to flow into them seamlessly, hense their incredible power and near invisibility.

I could be wrong (it has been over a decade since I read the books) but I think they are immune to chaos for the simple reason that they are incapable of the negative feelings the ruinous powers embody.

Further, as memory serves, while lacking the great physical strength and poewr of the primarchs, they enjoy incredible regenerative and healing power, making them incredibly difficult to kill.

I think, it's been a while.

Eulenspiegel
23-04-2008, 17:06
I think they have been "forgotten" out of the background. They were a corny concept to begin with, and GW seems to be agreeing with me. Since the aaaaaancient Realm of Chaos books there was no mention of them.
My bet is on "You wont ever hear of Sensei again" (that name alone ... sheesh).

Faustburg
23-04-2008, 17:39
I think it is more a case not having a natural place in the current type of games...

They were written to be used in the small scale skirmish system of warbands in the Real of Chaos books, but as the default game moved into larger battles of late RT-era and then 2nd Ed and later, they no longer fit in as presented.

The sensei gathers a small band of followers, they don't lead full sized armies.

If someone put in the effort to update the material for use with Necromunda or Inquisitor I don't think Specialist Games would mind publishing it, but I doubt we will ever see a Codex Sensei for 40K.

Straight from the horses mouth (the Lost and Damned book in front of me...), here's the deal with the Sensei:

Do not have to be the "first generation" children of the Emperor, may just, and more likely to be, descendants of descendants of his.
Not necessarily psykers, may have psychic powers, but not really more or less "tremendous" than other characters not descending from the Emperor.
As was said above, they are largely invisible to the Chaos Powers, and incorruptible by them by virtue of not having the negative emotions feeding the dark gods. Not any hard and fast rules for it, though... :p
They are not out-right anti-Imperium, but tend to be hunted by the authorities for being freedom fighters and against all kinds of oppression
Decently good stat line, but not super-human... on the table you roll on, the basic Sensei (a D100 roll of 1-50 on the table) starts of with 5's in WS and BS, Ld10, and the highest level (a roll of '00') got stats like WS 8, 5 wounds and attacks... pretty good.
On top of these basic stats, they get rewards in a campaign setting, for defeating chaos champions and stuff of that nature, granting them pluses on WS, BS or extra wounds. Most of these gifts are pretty low-key compared to the gifts of the Chaos Gods, but there are some powerful ones like multiplication of wounds done to daemonic models by D6, and you don't get the downsides of negative mutations like the chaos champions easily suffered.

Finnith
23-04-2008, 21:25
I think they have been "forgotten" out of the background. They were a corny concept to begin with, and GW seems to be agreeing with me. Since the aaaaaancient Realm of Chaos books there was no mention of them.
My bet is on "You wont ever hear of Sensei again" (that name alone ... sheesh).

You say that now but i still live in hope of a sensei/necromunda rpg made by Bioware. If that ever gets made the underwear industry will have the biggest boom in history due to the sheer volume of nerdgasums.

Lastie
24-04-2008, 11:48
You say that now but i still live in hope of a sensei/necromunda rpg made by Bioware. If that ever gets made the underwear industry will have the biggest boom in history due to the sheer volume of nerdgasums.

Quoted For Truth. Different people find different aspects of the 40k 'verse cheesy/corny/bad (delete as appropriate), but for me the Sensei and Illuminati aren't one of them (although the latter could do with a better, less abused name). The concept of 'anti-'Chaos Champions, with a little work, could be awesome.

Supremearchmarshal
24-04-2008, 12:48
Frankly I think they were dropped because they're pretty much a direct Jedi rip-off.