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Anaxagoras
29-04-2008, 13:25
I have seen very few comments about the abyssal terror.

Currently, I have the remnants of a Bretonnian themed Vampire army I started on the 6th ed. book. I have a big block of Black Knights I look forward to using-but no longer wish to place my general in that unit and lose the ethereal movement...


My solution-swap the fig onto a Pegasus.

My question tho, is what should an undead pegasus be? Are Hellsteeds mounted on monster bases or cav bases? Or can an Abyssal terror with Wristbands be a mobile casting general that, used carefully, can hit the flanks of units that have been tar-pitted?

Thanks you everyone for your advice.

Makaber
29-04-2008, 13:36
If the Hellsteed is the horse that flies, it goes on a 25mm cavalry base. It's a one-wound horse, so it's not a monstrous mount. Neither is it flying cavalry. It's just a horse. That flies.

The Abyssal Terror is the "griffon" type monster of the VC list, right? In that case, it goes on a monster base.

Avian
29-04-2008, 13:44
Are Hellsteeds mounted on monster bases or cav bases?
Unknown. The Daemon book has a very similar creature (Disk of Tzeentch) that goes on a 50 mm square base and not a cavalry base, despite being cavalry. I would expect the Hellsteed to be similar.

Nkari
29-04-2008, 13:48
I for one can not fathom why on earth GW does not put in base size in the frakking armylist section or summary for each army.. its just boggles my mind..

waaaaaaah.. since when did warseer censor ******** ?

Anaxagoras
29-04-2008, 14:50
I may just mod the Pegasus anyway...If the Hellsteed is on a 50mm base, I'll field the model as a regular Vampire...something like this:

Vampire
Sword of Might
Wristbands of Black Gold
Avatar of Death-sword and board
Infinite Hatred
Hellsteed

and make the general a Vamp Lord-arcane specialist. I'm using a modded Brettonian Damsel as the Lord-on the idea that she was turned at some point, then took a young noble with her, and thus his entire entourage was cursed.

Of course, if it ends up that Only the abyssal Terror goes on a 50mm. base, I'll have to rethink that notion.

Spirit
30-04-2008, 01:35
I go with

Vampire
Hellsteed
Dark Acolyte
Avatar/lord of the dead
Helm of command
Black periapt/power stone

Very good caster that means i can have WS6, where ever i want, when ever i want. Has only been killed by my cousins great eagle riding, bow of 3s5 shots.

deneg88
30-04-2008, 05:24
I've been thinking of really tooling up my Vampire Lord as a close combat monster on an Abyssal Terror, and have him and some Fell Bats hold one flank, while my Black knights hold the other flank and a few units of ghouls hold the centre with my other characters and Corpse Carts.

I'm thinking of giving him:
Avatar of Death(shield for 4+ save)
Dreadlance
Wristands of Black Gold or Crown of the Damned
Red Fury
Dark Acolyte
Abyssal Terror

He costs a fair few points for 2000pt battles but can take on even highly elite infantry and heavy cavalry if he charges. I havn't tried him out yet, so I'll let you know how he fairs

Jagosaja
30-04-2008, 09:54
I equipped my Lord on Hellsteed like this:

Master of The Black Arts
Forbidden Lore (Lore of Beasts)
Summon Creatures of The Night
Crown of The Damned
Book of Arkhan
Flayed Hauberk
Biting Blade

He performs extremely well. And I use him on cavalry base, my reasoning is that it is not a flying cavalry and the steed has only 1 wound.

Dead Man Walking
30-04-2008, 15:50
I dont know why GW releases rules for a model that they have no intentions of actually making. We had to wait quite a while just for the gob hero on spider and gob hero on giant squig. Then the giant squig ends up looking like a dried out raisin. I would of made the model a humongous round squig like the special character has. That and they never told us the base size. Yay GW!

Malorian
30-04-2008, 17:39
I dont know why GW releases rules for a model that they have no intentions of actually making. We had to wait quite a while just for the gob hero on spider and gob hero on giant squig. Then the giant squig ends up looking like a dried out raisin. I would of made the model a humongous round squig like the special character has. That and they never told us the base size. Yay GW!

Which model are you talking about? For the abyssal terror there is the old winged nightmare (http://ca.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.ca?do=Individual&code=99110207095&orignav=13). And for the hellsteed you could use the dark pegasus or they are also offering wings you can put on your normal steeds (http://ca.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.ca?do=Individual&code=99060207165&orignav=13).

As an ork player I have no problem converting :p

Anaxagoras
30-04-2008, 20:59
Which model are you talking about? For the abyssal terror there is the old winged nightmare (http://ca.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.ca?do=Individual&code=99110207095&orignav=13). And for the hellsteed you could use the dark pegasus or they are also offering wings you can put on your normal steeds (http://ca.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.ca?do=Individual&code=99060207165&orignav=13).

As an ork player I have no problem converting :p

I don't mind that they make "modellers" units, it's the base size that irritates me.

Ah well, cav base for a pegasus it is...

northwoodDreamer
01-05-2008, 05:35
Which model are you talking about? For the abyssal terror there is the old winged nightmare (http://ca.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.ca?do=Individual&code=99110207095&orignav=13). And for the hellsteed you could use the dark pegasus or they are also offering wings you can put on your normal steeds (http://ca.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.ca?do=Individual&code=99060207165&orignav=13).



The relatively large old winged nightmare wings on one of those meek skeleton horses? I don't see that working out...

Malorian
01-05-2008, 05:42
The relatively large old winged nightmare wings on one of those meek skeleton horses? I don't see that working out...

Not on a skeleton horse, on a nightmare.

Lord Aries
01-05-2008, 06:14
hellsteed is kinda worthless, but abyssal terror in the flank turn 1 is a good unit.

Its very easy, using book, and having lots of magic to get off a dance- into the flank of an enemy on turn 1 and beating face. You can cast it as much as you can....

Oberon
01-05-2008, 07:21
But only for 12" range, and it will let you move only 8", so all those spamcasters should be very far forward with the abyssal terror, to pull that off first turn. Of course, if the enemy advanced first then it is easier.

The Clairvoyant
01-05-2008, 11:22
hellsteed is kinda worthless, but abyssal terror in the flank turn 1 is a good unit.

Its very easy, using book, and having lots of magic to get off a dance- into the flank of an enemy on turn 1 and beating face. You can cast it as much as you can....

i'd disagree with you there. With any hero on a monster, the weak point when facing any missile fire is the monster. For each shot (which will generally receive +1 to hit for being a large target), there is a 2/3s chance it'll hit your monster and if it wounds, invariably there is no save. Whereas on a hellsteed, yes you take every shot (as the hellsteed cannot be targetted), but there is no large target bonus to hit, and the vampires are easy to equip to handle such things through armour, magic armour or the wristbands.
And best of all, its dirt cheap compared with the abyssal terror.
Granted, the monster has a lot more attacks etc, but generally i'd rather take a hellsteed than an abyssal terror.
Actually, id rather just take the zombie dragon. Yes i know everything i've said applies but its just so cool to have a vampire riding a dragon!

VC Doke
01-05-2008, 13:10
Hellsteed is a 1 Wound model and therefore it is a 'steed' classification. Any mount that is over 1 W is under the 'monster' classfication.

A monster, like the Abyssal Terror is on the 50 x 50 mm base.

A steed, like Nightmares are on the 25 x 50 mm base.

It goes like this:
/---> NO = MONSTER
/
MOUNT---> 1 W ?
\
\---> YES = STEED

isidril93
01-05-2008, 18:23
but not all steeds are on the 25x50
look at the juggernauts

popisdead
23-05-2008, 22:08
goes on a 50 mm.

Obeisance
25-05-2008, 01:53
Juggernaughts specifically state they are steeds on different bases.

Dark_Mage99
25-05-2008, 07:12
I would assume they go on the same base as pegasus knights, which I think is the smaller, troll-size one?

praesto
25-05-2008, 08:42
Actually, id rather just take the zombie dragon. Yes i know everything i've said applies but its just so cool to have a vampire riding a dragon!

That, and the zombie dragon gains hatred if your character has infinite hatred :P.

5 ws 6 str 6 attacks with reroll to hit. The vampire itself pales in comparison.

quina2525
25-05-2008, 18:55
I would assume they go on the same base as pegasus knights, which I think is the smaller, troll-size one?

Thats what i would have thought?

I think there 40mm

Murdoch
25-05-2008, 19:46
As soon as I read nightmare I didn't envisage wings at all....

I had visions of ivory skinned immortals gracing the skies on ebony horses with flaming hooves and a stench of sulphur in the air (god bless you TSR...)

Not only is this a cool mental image but quite easy to model! And will fit onto a standard cavalry base..

Dark_Mage99
25-05-2008, 21:45
As soon as I read nightmare I didn't envisage wings at all....

I had visions of ivory skinned immortals gracing the skies on ebony horses with flaming hooves and a stench of sulphur in the air (god bless you TSR...)

Not only is this a cool mental image but quite easy to model! And will fit onto a standard cavalry base..

That's the beauty of the new monsters; their descriptions offer such conversion opportunities :D