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Gabacho Mk.II
13-05-2008, 15:52
Simple question really. Title says it all.


Can HElves field Dogs of War units?


Thanks.:)

WLBjork
13-05-2008, 15:57
If the unit is allowed to be fielded by a HElf army according to the Dogs of War List.

marv335
13-05-2008, 15:58
Yes.
rules can be got from here
http://uk.games-workshop.com/dogsofwar/

Gabacho Mk.II
13-05-2008, 16:10
Gentlemen, thank you both for the quick responses.

However, the GW site doesnt mention any specific Dogs of War listing that refers to High Elves being able to field them. I suppose that I may not be reading the actual articles correctly.

Secondly, in the new HE armybook, there is no reference to Dogs of War being allowed to fight with HE. (again, I certainly may have missed it and all)


Thanks again.

marv335
13-05-2008, 16:16
It's something you can do, but probably shouldn't.
HE players taking cannons need to be publicly beaten for crimes against army theme.
;)

Bloodknight
13-05-2008, 16:18
Note on DoW from Gav Thorpe.
There's a variety of reasons for removing the reference to DOW in the forthcoming army books, and these are the main ones:
1. The rules detailing how to include DOW in an army are included in the DOW list/ articles. Therefore if you have access to those rules you have access to how they can be added to your army.
2. We may wish to revise the way DOW work in the future, and while we continue to perpetuate the current rules for them in the army books this will be very difficult to do. Our intent is that the DOW rules, should we produce a proper supplement, will be entirely self-contained and require no references in the army books.
Neither of these are intended as a signal that we are never going to do/ immediately going to do (delete as appropriate) a Dogs of War supplement. They are simply a sort of house-cleaning procedure that leaves us clear to evaluate and pursue the correct course of action regarding Dogs of War in the future.

http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=List_Models&code=301082&orignav=13


Every army can take the basic DoW as rares, the RoR define who can take them in what slot. The only exception are Bretonnians, who have a rule against DoW.

Xyon
13-05-2008, 16:21
Depends on the theme of the army 8)

HE players could use DoW cannons, and it could fit the theme depending on what else they take, maybe some other kind of DoW infantry regiment and pretend its a HE escort of whatever.

Griefbringer
13-05-2008, 16:21
Every army can take the basic DoW as rares

Except for DoW dwarves, who are more picky about who they will fight for (eg. elves or greenskins can not hire them).

Bloodknight
13-05-2008, 16:27
Correct. I forgot about that because my DoW army does not contain Dwarfs and therefore I am not too familiar with their rules.
Some RoR won't fight for everybody either, like the Cursed Company who won't fight for undead, and Al Muktar, who won't fight for Tomb Kings (something I only noticed after purchasing a large unit to include them as counts as Nehekharan desert tribes ;) - but since I play DoW as main army anyway, I could not care less).

marv335
13-05-2008, 16:30
Depends on the theme of the army 8)

HE players could use DoW cannons, and it could fit the theme depending on what else they take, maybe some other kind of DoW infantry regiment and pretend its a HE escort of whatever.

Still Morally Bankrupt.

Gabacho Mk.II
13-05-2008, 18:08
Ok, thanks gents.


I was thinking of fielding a unit of 4 Leadbelchers in my 1,999pt army, and I wanted to be sure that I was allowed to do so.


As long as my opponent doesnt want to see the rules in print, I should be fine.
Am still weary.

Gorbad Ironclaw
13-05-2008, 18:14
It's perfectly fine. The DoW entry in the army books was never needed and in some cases even wrong as some units are special for certain armies.

Cannons is the obvious choice, being both cheaper and better than the RBTs.

Festus
13-05-2008, 20:08
I was thinking of fielding a unit of 4 Leadbelchers in my 1,999pt army, and I wanted to be sure that I was allowed to do so.


As long as my opponent doesnt want to see the rules in print, I should be fine.
IIRC, the rules for including OK units as DoW are in the OK Army Book...

Festus

decker_cky
13-05-2008, 20:27
It's fine, because the rules are printed in the DoW book. The rare slot thing didn't even make sense, because many units didn't take a rare slot, they took a special slot. And if they want it in print, you could also print off the page from the DoW part of the online store.

Mike KK
13-05-2008, 22:53
if you read the DOW writer's notes it states that they are taking the DOW option out of peoples army books in case they change the format of DOW so just refer to the DOW pdf for rules. it does also refer to high elves.

also i agree marv335...if elves ever used black powder units they need to be deported to main land Europe with their PG mates, although some swordmaster themed maneaters with cathay long swords would be cool

Zilverug
14-05-2008, 08:59
also i agree marv335...if elves ever used black powder units they need to be deported to main land Europe with their PG mates

NO! We do not want those people here. Let's send them to the US - they are supposed to have a more competitive culture.

Don't use cannons in an elven army - no matter what area you live in.

decker_cky
14-05-2008, 09:20
Not even 4 cannons hitched up to horses? You could make such an abusive points denial army though. :(

marv335
14-05-2008, 09:42
If you want cannons, play empire or dwarves.

theunwantedbeing
14-05-2008, 10:08
High elves are allowed cannons in their army, as the dogs of war rules allow it.
The second ogre kingdoms appeared every high elf army had at least 3 leadbelchers accompanying them into battle.

Cannons arent overly fluffy...although having say...4 halfling hotpots would certainly liven the game up a lot.

Leogun_91
14-05-2008, 13:13
HE can take DoW but I think itīs a little bit cheety as they can take more DoW choices than anyone else.

kroq'gar
14-05-2008, 13:19
Always wondered what 4 regiments of pikemen in a 2k list would do...

But yeah, DOW are being removed in favour of the DOW unit itself stating where and how is can be taken (eg manflayers a special in a DE army).

ZeroTwentythree
14-05-2008, 16:07
Always wondered what 4 regiments of pikemen in a 2k list would do...



Probably not as much as they should. And remember, DoW armies can field as many as they want.

(I've always wondered what a pike unit in a Skaven army with Death Frenzy cast on it would do. :evilgrin: )


Regarding DoW cannons (or other units) in HE (or other) armies, keep in mind that by spending points and slots on the DoW, they are forgoing spending points and slots on things in their own army book, many of which are as good as or better than DoW, especially as they are intended to work with that particular army.

One of the bigger advantages of DoW units is that they will be unexpected, but hardly worse than most of what you'd otherwise see.

Bloodknight
14-05-2008, 17:04
4 units of pikemen will do nothing good for HE since you could as well take your own spearmen which have a better WS and LD and cost about the same. Mathematically, pikemen lost against the old HE spearmen 3 of 4 times and now they would lose even more since HE ASF is better than DoW ASF.

Shamfrit
14-05-2008, 17:56
.

(I've always wondered what a pike unit in a Skaven army with Death Frenzy cast on it would do. :evilgrin: )




Twice as many attacks as a slave unit, and better WS and LD...

That is horrifying.

narlix
14-05-2008, 18:03
In the 2000 points range I would actually rather see two RBT and two Cannons in a HE army rather than 4 RBT. At least the cannon can mis-fire haha.

Its not like the HE player is going to take great Eagles, and honestly not taking the max RBT isn't that bright. 4 of them give you 24 long range hand gun shots which is nice, but with an army where the rest of the ranged units are str 3 its almost required.

So while the dogs of war cannons might not be "fluffy" but I wouldn't consider it unfair, or unbalanced, like i said i think the RBT will kill more guys over the course of the game.

decker_cky
14-05-2008, 19:03
Depends what your shooting at, and the real abusive one, as I mentioned, is the galloper guns. You can take a very mobile army, and use their movement to adjust and get better shots while avoiding many typical war machine hunters. It'd be a fun, very fluid to play artillery army though, I think.

Bloodknight
14-05-2008, 19:52
I fail to see how that is supposed to work. Most WM hunters are flyers and will at some point catch the galloper gun. It's not 5th edition anymore, the 6th and 7th edition galloper gun cannot move and fire at the same time, has only S7 which can make a world of a difference if you want to shoot that dragon, and the maximum guess is 24". If anything, galloper guns are harder to use than normal cannons, especially since you get 2 standard cannons for the price of the first galloper gun.

Lycannus
15-05-2008, 14:55
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=List_Models&code=301082&orignav=13
The only exception are Bretonnians, who have a rule against DoW.

But can still take Gotrek and Felix as a DOW choice....