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neapolitan-guard
20-05-2008, 12:50
gday i've had an urge to collect HE lately and i'd like some feedback on my list.

its 2500pts themed around a sea-bourne raiding army, hence the 52 seaguard. i also wanted a griffon in my army cause noone local uses one.

eltharion the grim
=285

mage(100)
dispell scroll(20), seerstaff of saphery(30), level 2(35)
=185

mage(100)
dispell scroll(20), level 2(35)
=155

noble(85)
great weapon(8), heavy armour(4), shield(2), ring of fury(40)
=139

20 lothern sea guard(240)
command(25), shield(20)
=285

20 lothern sea guard(240)
command(25), shield(20)
=285

12 lothern sea guard(144)
standard(10)
=154

5 shadow warriors(80)
=80

6 elyrian reavers with bow(114)
=114

15 sword masters(225)
command(30), banner of sorcery(50)
=305

19 white lions(285)
command(30)
=315

bolt thrower(100)
=100

bolt thrower(100)
=100

total=2500

i was thinking of swaping the white lions for phoenix guard. because fluff wise they wouldnt complain about being seasick!

thanks for looking cobbers.

osirisisdead
20-05-2008, 13:27
Stormwing costs extra points if you want to Eltharion to ride him into battle btw.

Marwynn
20-05-2008, 15:04
Nice list, like the theme. A few things though, what's the purpose of the third LSG unit? They're too small to be of any real use, and a bit too big to guard the RBTs.

Your Elite Infantry are a bit too big. The White Lions really aren't suited to be used in big blocks 5x? wide. Sword Masters and White Lions are best used in 7-wide setups with an extra rank behind them.

But if you're looking for a solid core of infantrymen the Phoenix Guard are your best bet.

But it could work out for the White Lions too, but a lot of them will just be wasted. The Sword Masters for instance should be in two ranks, so you could remove the 15th one there, or let him tag along as an extra wound.

If you choose to use White Lions give them the Lion Banner. They're stubborn and now immune to Fear and Terror which makes them all the hardier.

SilentStalker
20-05-2008, 17:07
osirisisdead is right. You have to pay extra point for Stormwing (it would make no sense for Eltharion and Stormwing to cost just over the cost of a Griffon...)

neapolitan-guard
21-05-2008, 13:19
thanks osirisisdead, i've turfed a few things to fit stormwing in.

the point of the 12 seaguard is to guard the RBT's and get extra shots off.

new list!:
eltharion the grim(285), stormwing(205)
=490

mage(100)
dispell scroll(20), level 2(35)
=155

mage(100)
dispell scroll(20), level 2(35)
=155

noble(85)
great weapon(8), heavy armour(4), shield(2), ring of fury(40)
=139

20 lothern sea guard(240)
command(25), shield(20)
=285

20 lothern sea guard(240)
command(25), shield(20)
=285

12 lothern sea guard(144)
standard(10)
=154

5 shadow warriors(80)
=80

15 sword masters(225)
command(30), banner of sorcery(50)
=305

15 white lions(225)
command(30)
=255

bolt thrower(100)
=100

bolt thrower(100)
=100

total=2503

Marwynn
21-05-2008, 13:57
I'm gonna go ahead and say that it's not worth it to have the 2 extra LSG there. Not if you can cut them to 10 and add a War Banner to one of the other LSG units and have enough points left over for a Musician for the 10-man LSG.

But you're 3 points over as it is.

If you're intent on keeping the elite infantry 15 strong then I suggest moving the Banner of Sorcery to the White Lions; far more resistant to shooting and less likely to break in combat. The Sword Masters will be shot up good and will be the focus of your enemy's ire.

winkypinky
22-05-2008, 01:42
Swordmasters are scary even if there is just 13 of them with a musician. It only costs 201 points and give the same effect on the battlefield as a bigger more expensive unit with full command.
And every little point you can cut from a list can be added into an other great eagle. And you should have 1 since it is just a very great tool for only 50 points.

I would also drop the standard from the 12 man LSG unit and add a musician instead. If you also make the 2 "main" LSG units 18 man strong and deploy them 6*3 to gain a bit more attacks/shots and save you an other 52 points across the army. (the cost of a great eagle.)
And dropping the 12 man unit down to 10 saves you some more points. But give them shields. That could give you 1 more eagle maybe. (bringing you up to 2, and you can march black 48" of board with 2 eagles, which is pretty good)

Also giving the lions the expensive banner is better, they die less. Unless you want to give the lions lion standard to make sure they never run away.

If you do as I advice (cutting SM's to 13 with only musician, 2*18 LSG + 10) it could give you enough points for 1-2 great eagles. And you could give the 2 scrolls to 1 mage and let the other carry the ring of fury and upgrading your noble to having the radiant gem of hoeth. Giving you 4 casters.

- I would go for 5 reavers with bows + musician instead of 5 shadow warriors (limiting you to just 1 eagle) since your army is very slow -eltharion so you have something to suport him with. Also currently you do not really have anything that can make a flank attack. You dont need a lot of it for a defensive list but 1 unit is almost always an auto include. (You only have eltahrion for negating ranks, and you can not rely on him to win you every battle, he is not that strong, and cant be 2 places at once when the situation calls for it.)

WhiteKnight
22-05-2008, 02:41
IMO, you need to speed up the army just a bit. I would also agree with the 5 ellyrian reavers. They will destroy flanks and can shoot 360 degrees. Also, if you can, have 2 eagles and 2 bolt throwers. This way you can have good shooting, march blocking, and have a griffon that can tear up units.

neapolitan-guard
24-05-2008, 05:32
thanks for giving me your ideas, i'll have a think about the army and playtest it abit.

thanks for the advice!