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28-05-2008, 14:14
Right, I appear to be jumping on two of the latest bandwagons here. What I should have done is make Epic Pre-Heresy Truescale Marines and it might well be the most 'with it' Log on Warseer! :D

Inspired by the recent increase in high-quality Epic logs springing up at the moment I was inspired to get back into Epic myself. But it is Epic with a twist. I have cought the Pre-Heresy bug in a big way, and Pre-heresy modelling normally takes lots of time and a well stocked bits box - neither of which I have at present. So I had a great idea - Epic Pre-heresy! The marines are small enough so that they can be used as is (pointy helmets? Mk IV rather than Mk VI. Other helmets - Mk II or III rather than Mk VII) and many of the pre-heresy vehicle designs from the artwork are based on old Epic models, such as the Dreadnoughts and Land Raiders (the Epic 40K Land Raider was the inspiration for Forgeworld's pre-heresy version). Plus I had a bunch of old Rhinos and marines kicking around from a previous foray into Epic many years ago. So, a bit of ebaying, a bit of digging around for my old Epic stuff, and the purchase of an Epic Ork Warband box from GW (44 new-style bases for 12, rather than 16 for 7 if you buy the bases on their own, with the additional bonus that I get all the ork infantry to make an Epic ork army later) and I was ready to start on a new project.

First off, I did a colour test to see if my planned scheme worked. I painted a couple of dreadnoughts, as I had plenty, and they are a perfect match for the pre-heresy style as seen in Collected Visions.
I was pretty happy with how they came out, so next it was time for my first Tactical detatchment.

28-05-2008, 14:15
And all together:
The bases are still unfinished, and there are one or two spots I need to tidy up when I finish the bases off, but overall I'm pretty happy considering it is my first foray into painting Epic for over 10 years.

So whats next? Well, I have a devastator detatchment in progress at the moment, which will include the dreadnoughts. I also have plans for a converted jetbike detatchment (to add to the pre-heresy feel) as well as a converted terminator detatchment if I can develop my greenstuff skills sufficiently...

28-05-2008, 14:34
heh, welcome on board the epic train!

Looking really nice from where I'm standing. Nice crisp detail and do I spot chapter markings?

Nothing like some pre heresy loving also.

Wonder if GW has noticed the sudden upsurge of epic love...
Maybe time for some SG support.

Congrats again.



28-05-2008, 15:07
Really love the 1ksons. I got my own pre heresy sons done up but I am concentrating for a while on their post heresy counterparts. Will get some pics up asap.

Your painting is great on the models. Did you use a wash on the rhinos?


28-05-2008, 18:59
nice to see those dreads in use in a current army! very cool

Lord Zso Sahaal
28-05-2008, 19:53
very nice epic log, will be following this. All of these logs are making me think about epic. hmmm......
keep up the work

Mr Feral
28-05-2008, 19:58

I like the combination of the deep red with the white markings, it's very good indeed.

28-05-2008, 23:08
Nice to see some epic! I have always loved the old dreadnaught and your painting really makes them even greater! Keep up the good work!

29-05-2008, 12:25
@ dancingmonkey: Legion markings please, not Chapter markings. Pre-heresy, remember? And yup, you do see them. :)

@ daemonkin: I use a wash on everything. Stages are as follows:
1. Basecoat blood red.
2. Wash with a mix of red gore, a little black ink, and a little washing up liquid.
(3. Highlight with a mix of red gore and blood red. I only use this stage on vehicles, the infantry don't need it).
4. Highlight blood red.

@Synapse: Cheers! The dreds were one of the things that inspired me to do epic pre-heresy in the first place, they are a perfect match for the ones in the Collected Visions book.

@ Lord Zso Sahaal:Thanks. Go on, you know you want to... Epic FTW.

@ Mr Feral: Yeah, I rather like the Pre-heresy TS scheme myself.

@ zekrish: Cheers.

29-05-2008, 13:11
very nice. will you ahariman or magnus. this is very very cool.

Chaos and Evil
29-05-2008, 14:09
Consider this log subscribed to. :)

Titan Wolfe
29-05-2008, 14:19
Epic .....ahh! brings back old memories .......Very impressed ,keep up the great standard.

30-05-2008, 12:12
@ donuter: My conversion skills are far short of what would be required to make a convincing Magnus, though I'd be tempted to have a go if they improved. As for Arhiman.... hmmm. He'd be great as my Supreme Commander, and the Sorcerer from the current Epic Chaos sprue looks absoloutely ideal to use as a pre-heresy Arhiman. If anyone (in the UK) has a spare they would be prepared to part with PM me and we'll see if we can sort something out.

@ Chaos and Evil: Great to have you on board!

@ Titan Wolfe: Cheers!

Death Korp
30-05-2008, 12:14
Love the little Dread guys, they're cool!


02-06-2008, 11:41
Right, well a little more progress has been made. I finished off a devastator detatchment as well. Like the tacticals, the bases are still unfinished - I'll try and get round to that soon. So, pics:
Marines & Rhinos:
Detatchment with the Dreadnoughts:
And the army so far:
Next up I'm aiming to finish converting my first stand of jetbikes, and paint an assault detatchment. Crossed fingers the jetbikes will come out ok... my first attempt actually converting in 6mm scale...

02-06-2008, 12:36
Great work Drakemaster, really crisp painting on the rhinos and dreads especially.

What's the chapter symbol? Did it used to be "M" for "Magnus" in the AT days?

02-06-2008, 13:36
yes it was an 'M' but that was ret-conned into the hollow burning star with 8 points (4 major, 4 minor - convenient eh?)

Anyway, great work on everything so far. I went with red/gold on my pre heresy thousand sons but i love these guys.


Chaos and Evil
02-06-2008, 14:54
If you throw some static grass on the bases it'll really make the army 'pop'.

02-06-2008, 17:54
really nice ideas. now go fight some space wolves Godamit. :)

03-06-2008, 10:36
@ Patriarch: Yeah, it used to be an 'M' but daemonkin has described the new version:
You can see my attempt at a 6mm version on the vehicles.

@daemonkin: Yeah, they have either gold, silver or white pad rims/details in the artwork. I went for white because it contrasts with the red more, which works better at this scale in my opinion. I will go for gold rims for command squads though to make them stand out.

@Chaos and Evil: The bases are still WIP at this stage. However (and I'm sure many people will disagree) I personally thing static grass looks a bit oversized at 6mm scale. Instead, my current plan is to drybrush them up to vomit brown and then add patches of green flock. I'll do a test on the dreadnoughts to make sure I like how it looks before I do the infantry.

@ donuter: Heh. Actually I am thinking about collecting a Space Wolf force (themed around a drop-pod assault) after I finish these guys... refighting the Battle of Prospero at Epic scale sounds pretty cool.

03-06-2008, 10:53
For basing I mixed 50:50 green flock and sifted sand (hey, I finally found a use for flock after 18 years of having it in my games drawer). At 6mm scale the mix works well. I don't want to hijack the thread but you can see the results on my site (sig)


04-06-2008, 10:43
Hadn't seen your pre-heresy Sons before, nice. Actually, gives me some ideas - tempted to try using one or two of the less 'corrupted' old Chaos Marines in my own army if I can remove the horns. They have a suitably ornate look for the Sons, and would work well in command squads with gold helmets to match some of the squads in the artwork...

09-06-2008, 12:52
OK, well I haven't got much more done. However, I did complete the conversion of my first stand of jetbikes. For my first foray into 6mm conversion, I think it came out... OK. My GS work could certainly do with some improvement - which is why I tried to cover as much of it as possible up ;) - but hopefully it will improve over the course of the rest of the unit.

From the front:
and rear:
Hopefully the paint job will help cover up the less convincing parts of the conversion and they'll look the part when finished.

09-06-2008, 13:33
I really like them. Maybe try sculpting eagles on the front carapace next!


09-06-2008, 22:40
nice, you may have inspired me to play epic

10-06-2008, 11:16
@daemonkin: The jetbikes in the artwork that have the big ornate eagle and wings on the front are Emperors Children or Custodes bikes - the examples from other legions seem to be less ornate, so I decided not to attempt a big eagle on mine (OK, I'll admit laziness was also a factor!) . I will however paint the raised detail at the front of the fairing in gold (I'm not sure if its supposed to be an aquila or a headlamp, but I'll paint it as an aquila) in order to tie in with the eagle on the front of the jetbikes in the artwork.

@donuter: There seem to be a whole bunch of great Epic plogs going these days - a few that immediately spring to mind (and were responsible for inspiring my own attempt) are Chaos and Evil's threads, Patriarch's and Mark_Logue's Eldar threads, and dancingmonkey's converted Vostroyans. Have a look around for them...

08-09-2008, 11:00
OK, well I finally got my first installment of the 'Tale of 40K Painters' done. So here we go:
Assault Marines:
Land Raiders

08-09-2008, 11:04
And all together:

I still need to finish the bases, and I want to go back and tidy up one or two of the shoulderpads on the assault marines, but otherwise I'm pretty happy with them. The Land Raiders took alot of work to get the red right, both due to the extra detail and the larger flat surfaces compared to the rhinos I did before, but I got there in the end. Pretty happy with hw the jetbikes came out as my first 6mm conversion, and pleased with the assault marines as well. NEXT UP (probably):Tactical Detatchment with Supreme Commander (converted Arhiman).

08-09-2008, 11:38
Assault marines are lovely there Drake.

Excellent work putting the trim on them.

Keep it up. I am about half way through my Pre Heresy Luna Wolves for our heresy era campaign. Must get them photographed and put up for critique.


Chaos and Evil
08-09-2008, 11:53
I love the Jetbikes idea!

08-09-2008, 13:16
I love the Jetbikes idea!

Seconded for truth! Lovely jetbikes, really smooth vehicles and nice infantry. I agree with you that something is needed on the bases. If not grass, how about adding a different size of stones, sand or flock to the one you are using?


Solun Decius
08-09-2008, 13:48
Very nice models. I applaude you for delving into details on these tiny models. Squad markings, shoulder trims ... very nice. The red on the land raiders is well done, good depth.
I don't think you need coarser gravel on the bases or anything different there really. These are tiny models and I think the gravel is "to size". Maybe one final super dry brush with a very light brown or grey color to bring out the depth ... maybe!

08-09-2008, 13:59
Love the jetbikes! Good to see you're not going all ornate on the stuff! I believe that pre-Heresy stuff isn't Gothic/ornate/baroque at all. Pre-Heresy stuff is way more practical and high tech(ish) looking, it is later on in Imperial history that stuff starts to look like giant cathedral and baroque.

09-09-2008, 09:37
Very nice work sir! More brilliant Epic logs!

I love the vibrant red, it looks great, especially on those Dreads, those models are very characterful.

If I may forward a question...your Dreadnought bases? They wouldn't happen to be one of Britain's smallest denominations of coins? I remember when WD had to apologise/correct themselves because they used to recommend chopping up pennies to use as base weights for badly balanced models. Destruction of the Queen's property is technically treason I think!


09-09-2008, 09:54
Very nice work sir! More brilliant Epic logs!

I love the vibrant red, it looks great, especially on those Dreads, those models are very characterful.

If I may forward a question...your Dreadnought bases? They wouldn't happen to be one of Britain's smallest denominations of coins? I remember when WD had to apologise/correct themselves because they used to recommend chopping up pennies to use as base weights for badly balanced models. Destruction of the Queen's property is technically treason I think!


Ah, but good Sir, this is clearly not destruction of property, think of it as embellishment instead. :D

09-09-2008, 11:40


Your penny has been immeasurably improved, no payment necessary.

Nice one.


09-09-2008, 11:47
Cheers for the replies folks! Bit of encouragement is always welcome.

@Daemonkin: Thanks. Looking forward to your Luna Wolves (although if its a heresy campaign they should really be Sons of Horus ;) ) - hows the campaign going?

@Chaos & Evil: Thanks! Is actually not that hard a conversion, although doing the little booster jets can be a bit fiddly. I didn't want to try anything too difficult for my first epic conversion, and the old bikes are actually alot like jetbikes already.

@Fredmans: I am going to drybrush the bases up to vomit brown/bleached bone, and then add green flock. But in the rush to get these guys finished I didn't get round to it. I'm planning to have a big basing session at some point and finish off all the bases at the same time.

@Solun Decius: No squad markings to be fair, I'm not quite that dedicated. Legion symbol on vehicles is about as fiddly as I'm prepared to go!

@Malika: I agree, Pre-heresy should really avoid all the gothic stylings of 40K (apart from the Word Bearers of course). Still, at epic scale there isn't really much opportunity to add it anyway.

@Moronguhl: Of course they aren't... ahem. Of course, if they were, they would be a very good option for bases, being just the right size for dreanoughts and similar vehicles, and with the added bonus of adding weight to plastic models. If they were, that is. ;)

09-09-2008, 15:05
It's not treason, it's recycling!

Keep it coming Drakemaster. Are you going to be using lots of Librarians to keep with the theme?

09-09-2008, 19:54
wow great stuff

you dont see an epic army on here very often its nice to see

09-09-2008, 21:24
Absolutely fantastic Thousand Sons Drakemaster. I can't wait to see more :)


10-09-2008, 09:21
@Drake: Nope, not gonna be a traitor scum (well at least for this army anyway, my Thousand Sons are evil through and through!), Led by Loken they are the real Luna Wolves (with off white armour too rather than ugly metallic green grey!)

What's next for the army?


10-09-2008, 10:59
@Patriarch: Apart from the Supreme Commander, all characters in the army will be Librarians. In fact, the Supreme Commander will be a librarian model even if I can't use him as such with the official list, and in friendly games I'll add 25 points to his cost and add Smite so he's a proper Thousand Son.

@rickie8437: Thanks! Actually, I think this log is probably a 'third generation' log, like Moronguhl's. Logs like those by Chaos&Evil + Patriarch kicked it all off, then some other people started logs inspired by their work (like dancingmonkey, whose log was a massive inspiration to me due to the fact that every infantry model is converted - convinced me that doing a bit of converting on some units to get a pre-heresy feel was doable), and they in turn inspired a new bunch of epic logs.

@Haarken: Thanks very much. Seeing as I'm signed up for the 'Tale of 40K Painters' there should (in theory) be updates every month... :)

@daemonkin: I beg to differ. The Thousand Sons might have been misguided, but are hardly evil through and through! After all, if the Emperor had played his cards right they would have fought on the Loyalist side in the Heresy. :P

As for what's next, my plan is to paint a Tactical Detatchment with my Supreme Commander as my next 400 point installment. Two of the stands will use old chaos marines with a bit of conversion to represent my Supreme Commander's Command Squad, and the Supreme Commander himself will a Chaos Sorcerer converted to look like a pre-heresy Arhiman. Hopefully. If I end up pushed for time, I may paint up a Whirlwind detatchment instead. So either way my next installment owes a debt to your good self - it was looking at your Sons that convinced me to using some of the old chaos marines would look good, and of course the Whirlwinds are the ones you sent me. So cheers! :D

10-09-2008, 13:40
@Drake: No worries there, some of the beakies you sent me ar Loken's escort for my Tactical formation.

I'm planning on using the Chaos sorceror (old style) as loken but give him the head of a thousand son model minus the ornamentation.

Got 2 tactical, 2 assault and 2 dev sprayed, washed and ready for detailing and a gunship almost done so will post soon. Tonight's game is BFG so will not get to use my Epic :cries:


05-10-2008, 22:03
Fellow-'third generation' plogger, what is afoot? More tiny red evil men I hope!

Keep us updated.


07-10-2008, 13:30
Greetings fellow epic plogger! Here's the latest news:

My supreme commander's tactical detatchment should be done by now, seeing as its time for my next contribution to the Tale of 40K Painters. Unfortunately, what with moving house last week free time has been pretty hard to come by. Still, they are assembled, converted, based and undercoated (i.e. all the fiddly preparation that seems to take me ages is done) so I'm hoping I can find some time to finish them over the next week. So with any luck my Thousand Sons will soon have a full battle company led by Arhiman himself! Hopefully.

And they are not evil whatsoever. Nothing worse than potentially misguided loyalists at this stage... :p

07-10-2008, 13:54
Not evil then, just open to suggestion!

I agree with all the fiddly preperation. Especially using resin, as it has to be cleaned first. The amount of stages on my Valks was mind boggling. Cleaning, assembly, green-stuffing, drilling a hole for the base...even my Sentinels needed to let the green stuff on the bases dry before i could flock them. That alone added about two days to let stuff cure!

Where do you play btw? Quite a few of the 'Seer Epic ploggers are Londond based, would be cool to get us all together!


01-12-2008, 15:17
Updates! Finally.

The latest addition consists of my Supreme Commander's detatchment. I decided to attempt a pre-heresy Arhiman conversion for this guy, basing him on the artwork below:
Obviously I wasn't going to be able to recreate it perfectly, but I identified certain elements that I could copy - halberd-like weapon with a curved blade, enclosed helm with a golden faceplate, cream robes. I used the Chaos Sorcerer as a base as it was pretty close to what I was after already, trimmed the crest of the helmet down, and removed the top of the staff and replaced it with a curved blade from an old Beastman mini. His bodyguard also have similar helmets, so rather than use standard marines I used some of the old Chaos marines with their crests removed - the chaos warrior style helmets look pretty similar to the helmets of the squad in the picture. Finally, the command squad have gold trims rather than white in order to make them stand out from the regular marines. The rhino for the command squad also has a bit of added gold decoration, and I used a scarab design to designate the command squad to tie in with the pre-heresy iconography of the Thousand Sons.

Pictures aren't particularly good unfortunately- I'll try and get some better ones eventually. Anyway. Here's Arhiman and his command squad:
The whole tactical detatchment:
And the Rhinos:

@Moronguhl: I am indeed London based as well. I haven't actually played Epic since way back during the Space Marine era, but a 'Seer epic getogether sounds interesting. Need to paint a bit more of my army first of course!

01-12-2008, 15:54
Oh you're back again! Kick ass! So are you going to include Titans as well?

02-12-2008, 10:57
Ooooo yes, there will indeed be titans. I had a couple of old titans that will be geting redone, and have picked up a couple more off ebay. I now have enough for a 3000 point Titan Legion force that will provide support for my 1KSons as and when needed - 2 Reavers, 2 Mk I Warhounds and a Mk II Warlord that I'm planning some conversion work on. I'll be painting them up as the Legio Tempestor (the Storm Lords Legion) although I'll be putting my own spin on the old scheme - I wanted a Pre-heresy Legion that went Traitor.

02-12-2008, 13:30
@Moronguhl: I am indeed London based as well. I haven't actually played Epic since way back during the Space Marine era, but a 'Seer epic getogether sounds interesting. Need to paint a bit more of my army first of course!

Hurrah! I am also an Epic:Armageddeon n00b, so maybe the Warseerites that play together, learn...together? Or something. I'm also moving back to London as of next week, so we should get together for a drink, a game and a stare at each other's armies!

I'm thinking...you, me, Chaos and Evil and dancingmonkey, anyone else? Any other Warseer Epic players who are London based who want to join the fun?

I seem to remember hearing from C and E that he plays a fair bunch of Epic-ers in the clubs he frequents so I'm sure they'll be more than enough!

I think my future Alpha Legion definetly have to use pre-Heresey models now, after seeing your excellent force thus far! Not sure how I can squeeze Defilers in but we shall see...


02-12-2008, 17:10
Great to see you back Drakemaster. Ahriman and his bodyguard look gorgeous, any W.I.P shots? Anyway glad to see you're back on track. :D


02-12-2008, 17:24
maybe the Warseerites that play together, learn...together?

Is it just me who thinks there's no way to say that without it sounding creepy?



03-12-2008, 14:12
Is it just me who thinks there's no way to say that without it sounding creepy?
Nah, not just you :)

I think my future Alpha Legion definetly have to use pre-Heresey models now, after seeing your excellent force thus far!
What happened to the Dark Angels? (http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=171909) Been a change of plan? :p

The good thing about using the older style models is that they are much cheaper as long as you keep a close eye on ebay. My Landraiders cost me less than 1 each including P&P, Whirlwinds tend to cost much the same as long as you are prepared to be patient (I got mine in trade), and Rhinos are usually dirt cheap (although I had mine already from the Space Marine game). The only thing I had difficulty getting hold of was the Epic:40K era metal landspeeders, but even there my patience paid off and I eventually managed to pick up two full detatchments (one standard, one Tornados) for less than 15, still a fair bit cheaper than the latest GW version.

Good luck with the move (I moved recently myself, always hard work) and some sort of 'Seer epic gathering some point in the new year definitely sounds like an idea - I should have at least 2000 points done by then, and it would be good to try them out on the battlefield.

Ahriman and his bodyguard look gorgeous, any W.I.P shots?
Cheers! No WIP shots unfortunately. Best I can do is a really zoomed in shot which doesn't do my paintjob many favours :( (or my camera skills for that matter). Still, it should show the modifications to the Chaos Sorcerer mini a bit clearer.

03-12-2008, 15:18
What happened to the Dark Angels? (http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=171909) Been a change of plan? :p

They are still my next project! Alpha Legion are the one after that, and they'd be the one I use placcy-pre Heresy models for.

Was gonna be Alpha Legion first originally, but I then got a job lot of placcy Marines (which I originally got for the old style Dreads like yours!) but then I thought why not use what I've got, hence the DA. I've been converting some Deathwing and it's pretty fun, so roll on Chrimbo and SG tanks!


04-12-2008, 12:44
Good work DM, the SC stand is excellent and does your work justice.

I think Warseer Epic players should meet up in Lancashire myself. The beer is cheaper and the weather is just as bad as London.

04-12-2008, 13:25
Well maybe we could get all UK Epic-ers together at some point next year at Warhammer World for a mini tournament? Although having said that there are probably some UK tournaments we could all get to together?

Sorry to jack your thread Drakemaster!


05-12-2008, 11:25
No probs. Its probably worth checking on Tactical Command (http://www.tacticalwargames.net/forums/index.cgi), they seem to be pretty well informed as far as Epic tornaments go. I think they organised one themselves in London fairly recently as well.

Anyhow, back on topic! Next additions will almost certainly be whirlwinds and landspeeders - got hold of the speeders I need recently and I really like the models so am particularly looking forward to painting them.

05-01-2009, 11:34
Rightyho, back from the holidays and managed to get some work done on the TS. First off, a detatchment of Whirlwinds, to provide some long range artillery to support the infantry:
Next up, a couple of Hunters to provide anti-aircraft support. Minor conversion here, Hunter turrets from the current Epic Whirlwind models (sourced via ebay) added to the older chassis:
Next up, a detatchment of Land Speeders. Took me a while to get hold of these, but ebay came through eventually - I now have several detatchments of them. Really like the models, lots of detail for the size...

And finally, seeing as the force is beggining to reach a respectable size (a full battle company plus various support elements) I figure its probably time for an army picture!

I still need to settle down to a big basing session some time and finish off the bases, but I'm quite happy with the fact the army is beginning to get to a decent size. Next up (for those that like the bigger things that get included in Epic armies!) I have started work on a Legio Tempestor Reaver Titan...

05-01-2009, 12:22
just going through this log, and i really like what i see, such an evocative army, must look fantastic when on the table top, im a huge fan of epic, it's a great game, and should have more gamer's (or are there closet epic lover's out there). keep up the good work, are you going to add some titan's, adeptus custode's, etc to your force???

06-01-2009, 13:23
Next up... I have started work on a Legio Tempestor Reaver Titan...
So yes, I will indeed be adding Titans. I have a 3000 point Titan army planned after these guys, so there will be plenty of Titan goodness for my TS to draw on eventually. As for other stuff, I may model some other bits of pre-heresy goodness eventually, but certainly not in the immediate future.

it's a great game, and should have more gamer's (or are there closet epic lover's out there)
There has been a bit of a Warseer epic renaissance of late. Have a look at some of the folks who have posted in this thread, many of them have great Epic logs on Warseer themselves - Patriarch, dancingmonkey, Chaos and Evil, and Moronguhl all have Warseer logs for example. There are also a good selection of Epic painters in the "Tale of 40K Painters" in General Logs.

06-01-2009, 13:32
Good to see more updates from yourself there sir.

Loving that Ariham. He rocks. I'm just selling up all my HH cards and looking over the art really does inspire you. (I got the books so didn't need the cards anymore).

Looking forward to seeing what you get up to with the Titans.

Next issue of FB is a batt rep special. I wonder if us Londoners can all get together for a nice big game of Epic? Could be interesting. 4 way battle?

Still, means I've got to concentrate on my own forces to prep them for three months time. Gaah, my WM stuff is taking up all my time at the moment (plus still job hunting, when will it end...)

Anyway, back OT: Log is coming on great, all the Epic logs up and about are really inspiring. Maybe a good showcase of forces if nothing else for FB 10.



Lord Zso Sahaal
06-01-2009, 14:25
Awesome work, and damn you for such fine work now I have decided to make an epic pre heresy army! Oh well its something to pencil down to do in between Super Heavies! Cant wait for even more epic goodness from you.


07-01-2009, 15:32
Cheers for the shout out dude!

Fantastic update, I had no idea they had made 2nd (40K) Land Speeders in Epic, very nice. I actually have the latest ones and the slightly bizarre 1st Ed ones, with what looks like a massive Gatling gun on the front! The tanks all look lovely, especially the Whirlwinds and Land Raiders!

We shall definetly have to have a 'Seer Epic meet up, especially as I am a gnat's wotsit from finishing my 3000 pt Guard force!

@dancingmonkey: If you do want any pics of my force for FB, send me a PM and I'll send you the original if you like.


08-01-2009, 11:06
Next issue of FB is a batt rep special. I wonder if us Londoners can all get together for a nice big game of Epic? Could be interesting. 4 way battle?
Hmmm, interesting. In 3 months you say? That could well be doable, should hopefully have around 3000 points done by then. Lets see... green is finished, yellow is started/partly done:

Tactical Detatchment (300) Supreme Commander (100) = 400
Tactical Detatchment = 300
Devastator Detatchment (250) 2 x CC dread (100) = 350
Assault Detatchment = 175
Land Raider Detatchment = 350
Whirlwind Detatchment (300) Hunter (75) = 375
Land Speeder Detatchment = 200
Thunderhawk Gunship = 200
Reaver Titan = 650

Total: 3000

So, I need to finish the Reaver, and paint two Land Raiders and a Thunderhawk. Should be doable.

Awesome work, and damn you for such fine work now I have decided to make an epic pre heresy army!
GREAT. Not only would it be cool to see some more Epic Pre-heresy on the 'Seer, but inspiring someone else to paint an Epic force, just as other people's great Epic work prompted my own, is perhaps the best compliment this log could have.

I had no idea they had made 2nd (40K) Land Speeders in Epic, very nice
Yeah I really like them. I was determined to get hold some for my army as the Pre-heresy artwork consists exclusively of this style of Land Speeder, so I wanted my army to match. I now have two detatchments of the muti-melta ones, and a detatchment of tornados. The tornados aren't quite as nice (the assault cannons are rather oversized) but are still nice models.

12-01-2009, 20:49

08-04-2009, 12:34
@donuter: cheers!

Right, a belated update for these guys. I have been falling behind slightly with the Tale of 40K Painters, but still managed to keep myself from dropping out. So here are my latest additions.

First up, a WIP of my first Titan, a Reaver. This guy was originally going to be from Legio Tempestor - the Storm Lords, one of the Titan Legions that went traitor and was present at the siege of the Imperial Palace. However, Mechanicum has put the exact nature of the Storm Lords Legion in limbo - were there two Legions known as the Storm Lords, one of which went traitor and the other stayed loyal? Was there one Storm Lords Legion, Legio Tempestus, which split? Have the Traitor 'Storm Lords' been removed from the background entirely? Who knows. Anyway, for the moment he is from Legio Tempestus, seeing as the colour scheme I had decided for him matches the 'cobalt blue' description of Tempestus from Mechanicum.

Since this picture was taken, I have tracked down a missile launcher for the carapace and added that, and made a start on the base, so the finished article should be getting posted before too long.

Next, the rest of my Land Raider detatchment. Bit of a rush job to get them finished for the To40kP deadline before I went on holiday, so they need a few touch ups. Pictures will follow of the whole detatchment when they are finished.

Finally, I got my first Forgeworld additions to my epic collection through! :) After various horror stories circulating on Tactical Command and elsewhere abouth the recent quality of Epic scale Forgeworld casts, I was pleasantly surprised - the only problem was a miscast on one of the wing lascannons for the Thunderhawk, which should be an easy fix. Otherwise the casts were perfect. Looking forward to starting work on these guys - the Thunderhawk is a beast! So here we go, a squadron of Thunderbolts and a Thunderhawk Gunship:

08-04-2009, 12:51
Get cracking Drakemaster. Nice Warp Runner Reaver. Got my own Titan log going on - Legio Gryphonicus (http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=191753) going on atm. Just finished Grey and Yellow on a Lucius Warlord but pics were not good quality (plus my Server Admin are messing about and my scripts to automatically resize and thumbnail images are not working! :mad:)

Keep up the work on your Thousand Sons - I'll have to post the work I have done on my Luna Wolves. Tomorrow we are resuming our Heresy campaign and I think we will be starting Istvaan III. Things will get ugly from then on in!


08-04-2009, 12:52
You will also notice that the majority of FW AI models will be generally perfect. It's the moulds for Epic that turn out horrible.


09-04-2009, 12:29
No no no no. The Warp Runners have a yellow head - this guy is my take on the Storm Lords Legion, although I admit I went for a gold trim as I far prefer it. :)

Don't worry, I'm on the case with these guys. Once the Thunderhawk is done then I have a 3000 point force painted, which I'm quite happy about. Need to add some Terminators soon though - I'm putting this off as I'm planning some conversion work on them to get more of a pre-heresy look and I'm not sure my skills are up to it, but we'll see.

Looking forward to seeing your Wolves - and to some updates to the Heresy campaign, marine-on-marine combat in epic scale for the win!

Good to hear the AI stuff is usually good quality... that means that I'm not going to be risking bad casts until at least a couple of Epic armies down the line. Knowing the speed (or lack thereof) of my painting, that won't be anytime soon.

11-06-2009, 11:07
Updates! Yay.

I've painted another Devastator detatchment with a Librarian, touched up the Land Raiders from the last update, and returned to my first Devastator and Tactical detatchments to add details - i.e. white rims on the specialist marines so they match the rest. Unfortunately my camera is playing up at present, so no pictures of the tactical detatchment or the complete Land Raider detatchment - they will follow once I get it working again, along with a complete army pic. Still, I do at least have pics of the devastators. Only two rhinos for the detatchments - as at least one, and probably both, will be loaded into thunderhawks or garrisoning when I use the army and will have to leave their transports behind.

Pretty cruddy picture, but as I say, camera is playing up.

11-06-2009, 11:36
Woo! More of these lovely red chaps!

I still fancy a game against these guys, where do you play dude? I've planning to start attending regularly at the Central London Wargamers Club near Euston station, fancy making the trip?


16-06-2009, 15:43
Drakemaster - This army is awesome!!! you just got me into epic again!! Ive got an entire chapter that i have not paited because I could no come up with a scheme, now I know, im going Pre Heresy world Eaters!!!

As for the Storm lords, most of the Legion is with Horus' fleet and turn traitor. The part of the legion that is defending the fortress on mars stayed loyal but were all destroyed when the traitor mechanicus took mars over at the end of mechanicum.

Also the top of the carapace should be ultramarine blue, shadow grey, enchanted blue, and that dark blue gw has in small odd shapes.

16-06-2009, 17:16
@Moronguhl: Euston is pretty convenient for me as a North Londoner actually, so I'd definitely be up for that. Still, I aim to get the first of my Thunderhawks painted before I 'blood' these guys. I've yet to play Epic:Armaggeddon, and from what I hear the Marines really need an air assault element to be competitive.

@Bobadon: As far as I can tell the fate of the rest of the 'Storm Lords' Legion is speculation rather than hard facts, though if you know better I'd love to hear more! :) As for the old camo pattern on the top of the carapace, I decided to ditch it - GW themselves have modified and reimagined older Titan Legion schemes in their Forge World titans rather than slavishly following the originals, and the camo didn't really appeal to me. My justification (if GW ever confirm the camo for the traitor Storm Lords in up to date background) is that they changed their scheme when they went traitor, and had a solid blue scheme when loyalists.

Great to hear that I may have inspired you to collect the Pre-Heresy World Eaters for Epic! Great choice of Legion for Epic scale incidently - the white armour with blue pads is a very distinctive scheme, even at such a small scale, and should be easily recognisable... you just need to find a satisfactory and quick way of painting white.

17-06-2009, 13:32
Great to hear that I may have inspired you to collect the Pre-Heresy World Eaters for Epic! Great choice of Legion for Epic scale incidently - the white armour with blue pads is a very distinctive scheme, even at such a small scale, and should be easily recognisable... you just need to find a satisfactory and quick way of painting white.

Spray white. Watered down badab black. Drybrush white.Done.


04-01-2010, 13:48
Long time since I've updated these guys, but finally managed to get a bit more done.

First up, I managed to get hold of a properly operational camera over Christmas, so first off a few pics of previously finished stuff I failed to get decent pictures of before.

My finished Land Raider detatchment:

And a Devastator detatchment with a Librarian-Sorcerer:

I did manage to get some painting done as well. First up, I finished off my Storm Lords Reaver Titan. The base was a tester for how the rest of the armies bases will be finished off - drybrushed up with lighter browns then flock added - and I'm happy enough with it.

04-01-2010, 13:51
Now for some new stuff.

First up, another detatchment of Landspeeders. Great little models, really useful in-game as well. I'll add some more at some point, probably Tornados next time though for a bit of variety. I still haven't managed to master photographing 6mm stuff so the pic is a bit cruddy, ho hum.

Next up, some air support - a couple of Forgeworld Thunderbolts. My first resin models, so I was a little wary approaching them (and had a little problem getting the nose attatched properly on one of them) but in the end I'm quite pleased with them, and they are really nice models. I'm planning on going back and adding some details later - some insignia is definitely required and I'll probably add some scorch marks from the jets as well - but for the moment here they are in their 'factory fresh' condition. The blue-grey with yellow nose is loosely based of a WWII German scheme - I figured the idea of paining a bright yellow nose on what would otherwise be an effectively camoflaged aircraft very Imperium-esque.

The army is reaching a pretty respectable size now, although it still needs some air transport (i,e, Thunderhawks) and a Terminator Detatchment to enable an effective army selection. Still, time for an out of focus army shot? I think so!

AAAAAAAnd finally, in what has turned out to be a fairly picture-heavy entry despite there not being that much new stuff, a pic of my current WIP. REALLY nice model this, covered in intricate detail - the Forgeworld Thunderhawk! About half way through the red on this fella, and then will start picking out some of the (many many) details. Upper wings and tail are unatattched so far - would be next to impossible to get the brush to some parts otherwise, particularly the engines on the wings.

Solun Decius
05-01-2010, 17:33
Cool update! I like the thuderbolts bright colors and the Reaver deserves special praise. Very nice and sharp paint job. Always fun to see excellent mini-minis ;)

10-01-2010, 01:00
The thunder bolts do look rather duck like

11-01-2010, 16:00
Ducks? DUCKS?!?!? Gah. Not really what I was aiming for! Ah well. :)

This (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/Bf109_2_Farbe.jpg) was the actual inspiration. Although maybe I can say my squadron is based of the colours of the much feared Catachan Yellowcrested Deathgrebe or something :p

18-01-2010, 02:56
C'mon your a Drake, of course your stuff's gonna be duck like! ;) Yeah, It felt pretty me109 to me. I did something similar with my aeronautica planes, full camo but squad colors on the intake rings.
Fun to see the red guys make it this far. Good work all around!

08-04-2010, 13:41
Bit of an update, thogh not much of it is actually for the TSons. Was planning to finish the Thunderhawk, but got somewhat distracted. Still, I managed to start on the frustrating slog of finishing off the bases for the army. Just the Landspeeders so far though. Attack of crappy-photoitis once more:

In other news, I've started my next epic force! And its the Mechanicus. Actually, the idea for these guys is to have dual uses for most of the stuff in the army, allowing me to field a Tech-Guard force, and a Krieg-style Siege Regiment (both are using fan-lists developed - and playtested for balance - on Tactical Command). This meant a colour scheme (and basing scheme) that would be appropriate for both forces. For colours I decided on black with red details, has the key mechanicus colours while also being grim enough for a siege regiment. For basing, I thought the temperate world style on my Sons wouldn't be appropriate for either force, so needed something new. Eventually I settled on a reddish martian wasteland style, which I figure works well thematically for both armies.

First off, a tester for my infantry. These guys will be Tech Guard for the Mechanicus, and Grenadiers for the Siege regiment. The infantry are GW Baran Siegemaster infantry, and the heavy weapon is from Exodus Wars. He's been slightly converted - I added a GS robe to his legs so he matches the rest of the unit (not particularly visible in the pictures) and filed down the sides of his gun slightly. Tech Guard carry Heavy Bolters, and Grenadiers Heavy Flamers, so I wanted it to look like it could be either.
Next up, some Mechanicus Praetorians, the heavily armed elite of the Mechanicus infantry. Again, no official models so I decided to use old robot models for these guys - they help add to the pre-heresy feel as well, seeing as there are examples of the old robot designs in Collected Visions.
Finally for the Mechanicus, some heavy transport - a Gorgon! These can be used in both the Mechanicus list and the Krieg list, so I'll be painting up a few of these.

As always, sorry for the crappy photos. Must sort myself out with a proper photo-setup one of these days - I find it frustratingly impossible to get decent photos of 6mm stuff without one.