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Destroyer of Eternities
01-06-2008, 19:25
here is ma 3000 point army list. be brutal. If there is anything you would change let me no. As always C&C welcome:

Vampire Lord, Level 3, Forbidden lore, Master of the black Arts, lord of the dead, Walachs Bloody Hauberk and the hand of dust 435pts

Vampire, Dark Acolyte, Summon Ghouls, Flayed Hauberk, Helm of Commandment 195pts

Vampire, Dark Acolyte, Avatar of Death, Sword of battle, Cursed book 195 pts

Vampire, Walking Death, Supernatural Horror, Cadaverous Cuirass, The Book of Arkhan 200pts

20 Skeletons Full Command 180pts

20 Skeletons full Command 180pts

20 Skeletons full command Banner of the undying legion 205pts

15 Ghouls, Ghast 128pts

15 Ghouls, Ghast 128pts

Corpse Cart, Balefire 100pts

20 Grave Guard Full Command Royal banner of Strigos 305pts

6 Black Knights, Barding, Full Command Banner of the Barrows 229pts

3 Fell Bats 60pts

Vargulf 175pts

5 Cairn Wraiths, Tomb Banshee 275pts

Total: 2990pts

Destroyer of Eternities
02-06-2008, 10:03
Abosolutly no comments. This makes me very sad:cries::cries::cries:

Destroyer of Eternities
02-06-2008, 16:31
Also if anyone has any ideas on how to take this down to 2250 it would really be appreciated

logan054
02-06-2008, 16:40
Sorry dont know much about the new VC's but im sure its easy enough to drop them down to 2250pts, what drop a unit of skeletons, drop a unit of shouls, drop a vampire, maybe make the fell bats one unit of 4/5.

You could drop the drakenhoff banner on the white BSB and just give him sword of kings, whatever other item you like, you dont really need a magic banner on nearly every unit.

Sure you can drop a few more bits, to be honest its easier to start again than drop points.

The 3k list seems ok, im surprised you taking advantage of more of the new units, i like the Varg (thingy) myself, blood knights would be cool, just depends on the power level you want the army to be.

Malorian
02-06-2008, 16:51
For your lord I would make a choice: summoner or combat. In 3000 you could have one of each if you really want ; ) I'd atleast move the hand of dust somewhere else.

2st vampire: if this is going to be a combat vampire I'd put the helm somewhere else so you can use it.

3rd vampire: Why are you not getting horror through the weapon? (it's cheaper)

bsb wightlord + graveguard: I see you are going for the uber unit ; ) Just make sure you use them well as your opponent will try to just avoid them.

You're probably better off sticking with skeletons or ghouls but it sure looks better on the field to have both.

All in all it looks fine. I think you'll have trouble controlling the magic phase, but your units start pretty big so you should be ok.

Gharof von Carstein
03-06-2008, 10:21
i think the point total is off on the BSB wight king. for 25 points you can make the wight the BSB but you still have to pay the 125 for the drakenhof banner right? im a beginner so i might be wrong. the no point limit thing means you can take whatever banner but you still have to pay the points for it right?

btw malorian your a great VC player could you maybe look at my 4k list and give me some advice? its on here on page 2 or something.

Destroyer of Eternities
03-06-2008, 11:08
I uderstand where ur coming from but on the second paragraph of the battle standard entry it says" He can be given a magic banner(no points limit)

Gharof von Carstein
03-06-2008, 12:20
no points limit but you still have to pay the points. which means you are gonna overshoot on your total. you might wanna look into that or just drop the BSB entirely.

Malorian
03-06-2008, 13:45
You still have to pay the points for sure.

Destroyer of Eternities
03-06-2008, 14:33
what about dropping the wight, 3 fell bats and the banner of hellfire and gettin a vargulf

Malorian
03-06-2008, 17:15
I assume that's keeping the adjusted point value for the wight in mind (meaning he doesn't actually have the magic banner).

Seems like a fair trade to me. I've never used a vargulf, but I've read a lot of good things about them. In this list it would also be nice to run along side with the black knight to make sure they can keep marching.

Gharof von Carstein
03-06-2008, 22:11
varghulfs are awesome! its my favorite unit for sure so much even im thinking of buying a second one to add to my army.

Destroyer of Eternities
04-06-2008, 07:15
Ok so tht is definitly getting changed
Edited the list to include these changes

Malorian
04-06-2008, 15:31
Still don't like the second vampire (combat vampire with helm) but the rest looks fine.

Destroyer of Eternities
04-06-2008, 15:52
I put the cursed book onto the combat vamp and the helm on the other. Do u think thts better!

Malorian
04-06-2008, 16:00
How about putting the helm on the lord, book on the caster vampire, and hand of dust on the combat vampire. You would have to drop the sword of battle... but you could use that with the other unused 10 points to use somewhere else.

Oh, just looked at the last two vampires and I think they are over their limit for vampire powers. They only get 50 points. I might be wrong but the second one for sure seems over.

The Clairvoyant
04-06-2008, 16:29
here is ma 3000 point army list. be brutal. If there is anything you would change let me no. As always C&C welcome:

Vampire Lord, Level 3, Forbidden lore, Master of the black Arts, lord of the dead, Walachs Bloody Hauberk and the hand of dust 435pts

Vampire, Dark Acolyte, Summon Ghouls, Flayed Hauberk, Helm of Commandment 195pts

Vampire, Dark Acolyte, Avatar of Death, Sword of battle, Cursed book 195 pts

Vampire, Walking Death, Supernatural Horror, Cadaverous Cuirass, The Book of Arkhan 200pts



I find your vampire choices...odd.

Your vamp lord seems to be stuck in half combat/half magic but not really taking advantage of the combat element.
I prefer to put bound items on thralls rather than the lord.
WBH is fine if you're on a horse, but in a unit of foot-sloggers, you're better off going for Flayed Hauberk.
I tend to make my mage lord all out magic with the skull staff and then give them the helm as you don't intend for them to be in combat, or go defensive and take Flayed Hauberk and Carstein Ring for ultimate protection.
If you wanna go half combat, i'd go Flayed Hauberk and Blood Drinker then take a couple of other cheap items like cursed book and black periapt.

Vamp2 with the FH and helm is too many points on magic items.
Vamp4 is just confusing. I don't understand taking Cadaverous Cuirass unless you know you're facing KB/poison stuff. Its an expensive 5+ arnour save which'll get blatted into nothingness with anything S5.

Personally, i'd get the vamps specialised into fulfilling particular jobs well rather than having 4 all doing a similar job badly.

You did say be brutal :D

Malorian
04-06-2008, 16:36
How about this:

Vampire Lord, darkacolyte, master of the black arts, lord of the dead, Helm of Commandment 305pts *general*

Vampire Lord, dark acolyte, dreadknight, infinite hatred, hand of dust 340 pts

Vampire, Dark Acolyte 135pts

Vampire, Dark Acolyte, Cursed book 170 pts

Vampire, dark acolyte 135pts

20 Skeletons Full Command 180pts

20 Skeletons full Command 180pts

20 Skeletons full command 180pts

20 Ghouls, Ghast 128pts

10 Ghouls 120pts (bunker)

Corpse Cart, Balefire 100pts

20 Grave Guard Full Command Royal banner of Strigos 305pts

6 Black Knights, Barding, Full Command Banner of the Barrows 229pts

2 Fell Bats 40pts

Vargulf 175pts

5 Cairn Wraiths, Tomb Banshee 275pts

Total: 2997pts

This way one lord is a dedicated caster and the other is the combat guy. I had to drop some things to get him in but I think it would be a lot more effective.

And if points allow I would just drop the rest of the bats and put dark acolyte on the dreadknight.

Destroyer of Eternities
04-06-2008, 17:30
I like the vamps Malorian. I think the problem with ma choices is tht i'm tryin to use all the points for the vamps. Also do any of those vampires have any specific armour or magical items

g0ddy
04-06-2008, 19:01
Mal, Theyre both 25 pts (each).

I would definitely swap the banners on the GG and the black knights. The knights will get the full benefit of the hatred banner (letting there horses reroll).

~ zilla

Malorian
04-06-2008, 19:13
Thanks gOddy, list updated.