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Apologist
02-06-2008, 12:55
A time of hidden conflict and secret warfare; when battle-lines were drawn and re-drawn between brother and brother. This is a record of those times, set forth by autolocutor Apologist.

The ancient and crumbling Apocrypha of Davio, a relic of the Second Founding, lists eight successor Chapters to the Thirteenth Legion.

The later Apocrypha of Skaros states there were twenty-three successors to the Ultramarines, but does not list them all...

Herein lies the tale of the brethren of the Praetors of Calth.

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Painted pics!
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/Untitled-1copy-3.jpg

First off, this is my new log for a big ol' project that I'll be working on for the next few months – some pre-heresy Ultramarines.

My goals for this project are:
1) Improve my freehand and greenstuff skills
2) Develop an attractive army with a backstory that links in with existing canon to satisfy my inner fluffhound.
3) Stick to existing canon where possible, and make up fitting stuff where I want to do something fun and new.

For this reason (and also because I'm sick to the back teeth of painting red), I thought I'd go for a pre-heresy Ultramarines army. Here's the proof-of-concept – a digitally recoloured version of one of my Ad Mech techspirants:
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/Forcedcolour.jpg

The backstory will be developed (and justified) as I go, but the bare bones are that this army represents the fifth company of the fifteenth chapter of the Legion, who bear the honorific the Praetors of Calth, led by Chapter Master Orpheus.

After the heresy, the veterans of this force will form the basis of the successor chapter the Praetors of Orpheus – but at the moment, they are simply some of the first of the new Ultramarines drawn from Macragge at the start of the Great Crusade.

I'm sticking to Codex markings as far as I can see, which means that they'll be blue with gold trim (all the Ultramarines in the Visions series of artbooks have gold trim rather than company trim), and will use archaic versions of the Insignium Astartes (since the Codex Astartes hasn't been codified yet).

Here're the right shoulder designs so far:
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/pads.jpg

The left shoulder of each Space Marine will bear personal heraldry based around the Legion symbol, as I want to reinforce the idea that each Space Marine is a hero in and of himself.

Well, there's the ambition – let's see if I can do it justice!

swifty2
02-06-2008, 12:58
Nice looking marine mate, look forward to seeing more on this

Cdaws08
02-06-2008, 13:38
Gagh! For a minute I thought you repainted that tech aspirant, but all is good now. Awesome, I'm really looking forward to this project as your ad mech was such a well done army

tinfoil
02-06-2008, 14:10
I will definitely be following this project closely.
I know the marine is a re-colored version from your AdMech army, but he has a look that seems very appropriate to the project: knightly, and archaic -- almost steam punk, but stripped down.
Can't wait to see more.

Damokles
02-06-2008, 16:46
judging from the amazing job you did with your admech force this will surely be worth watching, consider me subscribed

Dictator
02-06-2008, 17:40
I loved your techmarine aspirants, so this will most likely be just as awesome. I Look forward to your work!

Lord Zso Sahaal
02-06-2008, 19:05
If this is going to be the same standard as your mechanicus these will be amazing. Good luck and have fun.

Sahaal

Gen.Steiner
02-06-2008, 19:08
Apologist, as they've said, this is going to be amazing. I think I'll sit back and enjoy the ride (while going green round the gills with envy)! :D

Apologist
14-08-2008, 10:07
The lectutrix cleared her throat impatiently, and the incustudents settled down in their pews, setting their slates and chalks down in front of them. They were keen to learn of the Astartes, the Emperor's Angels of Death...
The lectutrix began to speak, in a low and cracking voice.

'Fragmentary registrys in the crumbling crys-stacks of Hyponia make note of the arrival of the the Ultramarine's 15th Chapter, the Praetors of Calth, early on in the Great Crusade.

'The records speak of Chapter Master Paesentius Eupid Orpehus, or Orpheus Orkbane as he became known, and the death of Odsnik the Slaver at Orpheus' hands. They speak at length about the subsequent routing of Waaagh Odsnik from the system, prosecuted with speed and efficiency at the hands of the Ultramarines.

'Drawn almost entirely from Gulliman's newly built training camps on Macragge, the 15th Chapter of the Legion suffered few casualties, and so the roll of Honour, now recorded only in a Hyponian hololith, provides an important record for archeostudy and reverence. This hololith provides one of the only known Imperial records of the names and histories of each of the Heroes of Hyponia, as the Praetors were hailed.'

Okay, so fluff aside, I've started to put together the force. The plan at the moment is to make a command squad, and three squads that mimic the RTB01 box in armament, so each squad will have a missile launcher and a flamer. Eventually, I hope to give each of these squads a Rhino converted to look a little more Old School; and then get stuck into more unusual stuff, like scouts with puffed sleeves and mohawks.

Here's a pic of the first three squads, along with three spare sets of legs that'll probably form the basis for Orpheus Orkbane and Captain Iophon.
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0294.jpg

Here's a detail of a Mark III helmet conversion simply a Chaos champion helm with the horns trimmed off and tidied up.
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0293.jpg

...and the first pre-greenstuff model, which I couldn't resist putting together.
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0296.jpg

I'm sticking with regular-sized weaponry, as this should help emphasise the size of the bodies in fact, the above model has a (smaller) scout bolt pistol, which further emphasises this. Since he's wearing prototype Mark IV, this marine is obviously wearing test-bed equipment; perhaps due to irrepairable damage to his Crusade Armour, or maybe simply because he's a squad leader or somesuch.

Apologist
14-08-2008, 10:44
Thematically, I'm going for a general 'Ancients' feel with a 40k twist, rather than all-out 'Romans in space'. I mention in my first post that the left shoulder of each Space Marine will bear personal heraldry this'll give me a great opportunity to reinforce the theme, and encourage me to paint each as a unique character. The heraldry itself will be a mix of mediaeval pageantry and ancient Greek and Roman icons and symbology, plus a few bits I'm chucking in because I think they'll look cool.

I haven't been lazy on the designing front! I figured a few sketches to work from would work much better than painting blind, so I'd appreciate any comments and critique you can give any you particularly like or dislike?

Squad Mox
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0301.jpg

Squad Epipatros
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0302.jpg

Squad Santiagon
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0300.jpg

You can safely ignore the names I've noted on the sketches for the moment I was playing around with some, but decided that they may well change. Lucky that the Hypian Hololith is made-up, huh? ;)

Here's a roll-call for the army at the moment, cribbed from one of the other incustudents (cheers Serimus!) after dark:

Ultramarines 13th Legion, 15th Chapter

Chapter Master Orpheus Orkbane;
accompanied by his honour guard:
Tiberion, Hero of the Four Rings,
Alcibidas
Volcatius
Isaphron of the Marches

Captain Iophon;
accompanied by his command squad:
Gnaeus Icaron
Epipatros the Just
Attius Felix
Rufrus

Squad Mox:
Sergeant Mox
Kaeso Half-hundred
Fulgor Abraxas
Terentius Coldbrow
Mercution
Teletas
Hetus
Caius of the Furlong
Martianus
Caldo

Squad Epipatros:
Sergeant Epipatros
Noctem
Atlion Straightback
Gabulus
Neosebius
Eumon
Cerberon
Neophrast
Telyon the Determined
Iophilus

Squad Santiagon
Sergeant Santiagon
Eudox
Isathon
Vibius
Titus Dio
Albus of Iax
Ganymon
Pisentius
Neoprotos
Young Telacos


Master of the Forge Apolyarchos
Techmarine Arius
Techmarine Sophon

ghazghkull thraka
14-08-2008, 11:15
wow i could never think of a holechapter woth of names

G.Hawke
14-08-2008, 11:38
oooh this is going to be intresting, consider me a follower

hawke

DeathCat147
14-08-2008, 12:28
Well im subscribed, mainly because of
A: They are true scale.
B: You have put a lot of time into working on personal heraldry for each of your marines along with naming them.

This will be a good one to watch:)

Apologist
14-08-2008, 14:04
Cheers! Forgot to post the other designs, for the two command units:
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0298.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0299.jpg

Light of the Emperor
14-08-2008, 14:22
Loved the AdMech and already loving this! The shoulderpads are definately preheresy...they remind me of the cover art for Horus Rising.

BLARGAG!!!
14-08-2008, 15:36
everything is looking amazing so far. one question tho, are you going to keep the spikey trim on them? (cuz u have obviously used a chaos torso on that guy)

keep up the great work!
BLARGAG!!!

Slaaaaaanesh
14-08-2008, 15:39
Absolutely awesome work on the back story. The work on the heraldry will give your army a lot of character. Can't wait to see more.

SpinningC
14-08-2008, 16:06
Awsum concepts on the shoulder guards. Realy nice to see marines get there own heraldry, I am a big fan of that ;) Cant weight to see you hit the green stuff and start painting. Consider myself subscribed.

Chris

ReaperOfSouls
14-08-2008, 16:21
I agree with previous posters about the heraldry. It will make the army look truly stunning if you manage to pull it off well. I'm a bit worried about how your sanity will fare when you start painting it though ;)

HereticLosMorte
14-08-2008, 17:01
captain antilles eh? hehe

enjoyed your admech, this should be interesting to see

Malorian
14-08-2008, 17:04
God... I could never even think to do that detail on shoulder pads...

LokkoRex
14-08-2008, 17:39
really awesome idea, i'm loving the guy with an iron warrior head.:D

FerrumIgnatus
14-08-2008, 19:27
Hmmm... Truescale Marines, going trough hell by naming all marines, great potential... jupp, this will be an interesting thread to follow...

Praexes
14-08-2008, 19:44
*whistles*

Whew... that's a lot of truescalers. Thirty-three?! You're insane man! ;)

What rules will you be using for them? Grey Knight Terminators? (you should!) or just normal marines? I think Codex: Daemon Hunters allows for up to thirty GK termies, though I'll have to check back on it. The others could be characters. And remember, you can take retinues of GK terminators for certain Grey Knight Captains, IIRC.


+Good Luck brother!+
++Praexes++


PS: I think one day all the people who have PH IG armies or Truescale PH Marines should get together and re-enact the Heresy. It would be Epic. :)

doghouse
14-08-2008, 20:23
Looking like a great project so far mate I'll be watching this one with interest. :)

Apologist
15-08-2008, 09:51
everything is looking amazing so far. one question tho, are you going to keep the spikey trim on them? (cuz u have obviously used a chaos torso on that guy)
Thanks! The torso on that marine will be covered with greenstuff: I use any old torsos I have lying around to form the basis of the chest.

Thanks for all the encouragement, fleshbags – I'd better get some stuff done to deserve even a little of it! Here are four sets of greenstuffed legs, a marine who's getting further on in his training, and a tutorial to make the legs.

Hopefully, this should build up into a step-by-step on how I do 'true-scaling' over the next few days. I don't pretend to be an expert sculptor, so this method is the easiest and most effective I could devise, and owes a lot to Synapse – cheers mate: I owe you a synthale or two!

If you've never had a go with greenstuff but wanted some true-scale marines, I hope you'll find this guide useful, and that you'll have a go at this step-by-step with me. Hell, I'll be learning to get good a lot better if I have to show my working to people!

Adept Apologist's True-scale legs tutorial

You will need:
Greenstuff (if you're using the GW stuff, cut away the join between the yellow and blue parts before mixing. This part will have partially cured, and give you lumps in your working)
Sculpting tool (I use a GW one; but you can get by with a sharp knife and a tool with a smooth and a flat end)
One or more sets of terminator legs
Some grease. You can get little pot of vaseline lip balm, which is ideal.

1. Clean and prep a pair of terminator legs. I trim the 'bolts' from the side of the knee to slim the legs down subtly, but you can ignore this step if you prefer. I like to work on four or five sets at once (it gives uniformity, and stops you wasting greenstuff).

2. Next, mix your greenstuff and let it cure for ten minutes or so, so it's still fairly sticky. Using the greased blade (vaseline is good) of your sculpting tool, cut a small block (approx 2 x 2mm) and press it into the recess of the inner thigh.

3. Press the greenstuff into place with the rounded end of your sculpting tool, then grease the flat side and smooth it into place until the greenstuff is flush with the support struts of the inner thigh.

4. Fill in the other areas on the legs in the same way. Work the inner thighs, then the outer thighs, and leave the backs of the calves (these will need a larger piece of greenstuff – 3 x 4mm or so) until last. This approach means you can handle the piece as much as you need without smearing you work.

5. This should have filled in the recesses without overflowing. If there are gaps, gently press in tiny pieces of greenstuff until they are full. As an aside, I prefer the lower legs to look like there is a heavier plate at the front, and so I do not smooth the calf area round to the front, but simply fill in the recesses (see the picture below).

6. Grease the flat end of your sculpting tool, and with a gentle pressure, draw it down over the first area of greenstuff, from top to bottom, to smooth it. Start at one of the hidden support struts, and work gradually round the area until you reach the other side.
This part is not difficult, but can be frustrating – so work patiently! If you've put a little too much greenstuff in the recess, this may cause the excess greenstuff to spill over the edge of the area. Carefully trim it away with the blade of your sculpting tool.

Tip If the greenstuff starts to lift away, you're using a little too much pressure. Press the greenstuff back into place, and work on another area while it hardens a little.

7. Being careful not to smudge or smear your work, smooth out the other areas in the same way. If you find the support struts start to show through the greenstuff, or the curve is not perfect, try adding a little more greenstuff and smoothing it in.

8. You may find that the upper legs are quite frustrating to smooth. You can cheat a little by using the flat of the tool to 'lift' a little of the greenstuff at the edges of the plates (i.e. at the groin and above the kneejoint). This creates the illusion of a hard edge.

9. At this point, you should have a set of legs that look like giant power armour. Nice one! Wait for ten minutes or so, and add any details that you like now – I use the blade to make a little recessed box on the front of the thigh and use the point of the tool to make two little dots. Little techy details like this really help give the impression of scale.

10. Bask in the glory of making your own pair of legs for true-scale marines. They should look a little like this:
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0303.jpg
...and the back:
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0304.jpg
(Only hopefully not so blurry! Apologies for the camerawork – I'll try and get some better shots).

11. Leave for a day, and you can file down, smooth off and generally tidy up the greenstuff.

Next time, fleshbags, we'll move on to sculpting the torso area:
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0305.jpg
(This is an excellent example of the greenstuff before it's tidied up!)


I think one day all the people who have PH IG armies or Truescale PH Marines should get together and re-enact the Heresy. It would be Epic.
Well, watch this (http://www.tempusfugitives.co.uk/index.php) space...

Cheers for the Grey Knight idea Praexes, by the way. At the moment, I'm thinking these'll just be bog-standard marines, but if there's some clever way to do it, I might use them as Sternguard veterans... who knows?

DeathCat147
15-08-2008, 10:04
Im using the exact same method for the legs on my marines. Ive found that investing in some clay shapers really helps speed up the sculpting process and give's a ridiculously smooth finish, and they can get into all those hard to reach areas. Other than that top job cant wait to see more:).

Accolade
15-08-2008, 15:59
Man, this army is going to kick heretic butt. I really like all the effort you put into the shoulder pad heraldy. It'll look amazing when they're all done (of course, just the fact that they're true scale will look amazing). You and all the other true-scalers need to create extensive tutorials (including tools, techniques, etc.) maybe in some big log to help all of us lowly aspiring true-scalers. But this is just what I think...I can't help it if I'm jealous!

Praexes
15-08-2008, 16:37
Fleshbag?! HA!

...cocky little cogboy bas***d...


Going well Apologist. You really are doing these in bulk, eh?

VON_KRUG_666
15-08-2008, 19:18
I'm a bit worried about how your sanity will fare when you start painting it though ;)

I think he lost it long ago:p
Im sure his vast horde of servitors will do most of the work though:chrome:

Apologist
01-09-2008, 13:13
Wasn't very happy with the chest on the marine above, so I've resculpted it to look more like a mark IV (couldn't get the damn helmet off!)
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0309.jpg
I've also sharpened up the corners and edges, to lose the 'softness' of the Greenstuff.

Here's a prototype for a Mk II helm variant I'll be using:
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0310.jpg

It's based loosely on the guard here:
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/4651/roboutemt9.jpg

I like the general appearance, but I think I'll leave the final versions with recessed eyeslits (to give a more primitive appearance), and make sure the eyes are closer together.

More to come, but Dark Stars next week means I'm concentrating on my Mechanicus at the mo.

Apologist
04-09-2008, 14:47
Pah, Mechanicus my foot...

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/Ultconce1.jpg

Couldn't resist working a little on some concept sketches for these guys; so here's a variant Mark II helm and torso that I'll be using. Not sure about the recessed torso section (the central part with the rivetted hoops) I think I got a bit carried away with the bracing.

That said, I really like these helmets, and with a bit more work, I think they'll be fairly easy to get looking good.

Deus Ruinus
04-09-2008, 16:15
another true scale marine blog! and pre heresy too, hmm ill be looking out more from you. you have me..interested.

Apologist
12-09-2008, 10:15
Translating into open space outside the Hypon system, Chapter Master Orpheus ordered his fleet to a halt, and directed the frigate Courageous Blow to advance towards the system under silent running to glean as much information on the ork empire as possible.

Decked out in gleaming Mark II plate, recon teams with the newly-developed jump packs were despatched to the surface of outlying asteroids, with orders to engage and destroy monitoring stations and listening posts; orders executed with the Ultramarine's customary efficiency and elan. No marines were lost in this operation, despite the risks inherent in jumping through the dense asteroid belt in near zero-G and the hard vacuum conditions of deep space.
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0333.jpg

Meanwhile, the Ultramarines fleet pushed forward, and the bulk of the troops made planetfall on the civilised world of Buckley's Folly...
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0334.jpg

Here are the first greenstuffed torsos and heads for the army.
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0322.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0324.jpg

Apologist
12-09-2008, 10:34
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0323.jpg
Brother Neosebius is shown wearing a version of Mark II plate produced in the Macragge system, with an enclosed respirator and removable faceplate on the helm; and the hooped and reinforced 'lorica segmentum' torso plate popular among the Ultramarines.

While there are armour Marks in use during the Great Crusade, these broad designations actually cover a bewildering array of interchangable pieces of equipment, and there was near-constant development on armour in the fabricata of Mars.

Both distant from Terra and with the most successful recruitment rate of any legion, the Ultramarines artificers were hard-pressed to keep their ever-expanding and crusading troops in armour. Many local worlds offered tribute in the form of manufacture, and only the Ultramarines keen governance kept their troops well-armed and equipped as the Crusade wore on.

Nevertheless, older armour marks were frequently pressed into service, particularly by reserve forces; and the Ultramarines are believed to be the first Legion to experiment with lighter non-powered armour for their recon and scout units – whether by necessity or design will probably never be known, but the freeing up of additional equipment certainly kept front-line troops well-protected.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0325.jpg

I've tried to do a variety of styles to the Mark II armour – I figure the Ultramarines were fairly distant from resupply during the Great Crusade, so they'd have some Mark I bits alongside plenty of artificer-altered replacement parts.

This approach does mean that my army might upset some purists with (for example) round kneepads on the wrong mark of armour, but I'm really after the impression of pre-heresy than a slavish devotion to what is often contradictory fluff.

Don't get me wrong – I do like 'proper' pre-heresy stuff, where everything's absolutely correct in terms of background, and I also admire anyone who really puts the effort in to do an army like that, but I also like a slightly varied look. It keeps me interested in the sculpting, and also gives a sort of Roman legion impression: they all start off with the same equipment, but it soon got damaged and parts replaced with local stuff, which adds to the feel of the army.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0326.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0327.jpg
Brother Gabulus wears a standard Mark II helm, which has probably been recently issued. Like many of the new Chapters of the Ultramarines newly raised from Macragge, the 15th were equipped in part by Mechanicus thralls from nearby Forgeworlds, meaning that marines wearing relatively old equipment were seen fighting side-by-side with the latest equipment, even from the very start of the Crusade.

Triszin The Wrath God
12-09-2008, 12:37
i love the art work that you've found, could you please tell us your source so we can all look for our own?

cant wait to see an army of these guys there gonna look amazing once there all painted up nicely

my 2 cents
the helmets are a fantastic idea and your do'in em great but in the pics it looks as if all the helmets come to a peak in the center, like the mark 2 helmet vox-area, so if you could do that,

they'd be Orgasmic!

Apologist
12-09-2008, 14:16
More stuff!
Shoulder pauldrons
Nice and big so I can fit the heraldry on:
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0332.jpg

Heads and helms
Apologies for the weird perspective on these heads, but it was the only way I could get shots of them all together.

Standard Mark IIs
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0331.jpg

Macragge-pattern Mark IIs
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0330.jpg

Bare heads
I thought I'd have a pop at sculpting some hair on these marines mainly for a bit of variety, and it also introduces a touch more humanity and individuality to the standard sculpts. I'd be interested to see what you think particularly the chap with a beard.
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0329.jpg


i love the art work that you've found, could you please tell us your source so we can all look for our own?
Sure, all of the piccies are from the Visions of Heresy book a fantastic sourcebook for any pre-heresy army, and a beautiful and fluff-packed source of background. You can google a lot of these piccies from the web by checking the various artists, or simply googling 'pre-heresy artwork'.


the helmets are a fantastic idea and your do'in em great but in the pics it looks as if all the helmets come to a peak in the center, like the mark 2 helmet vox-area, so if you could do that, they'd be Orgasmic!
Not quite sure what you mean, I'm afraid... you mean like a pointy front running vertically down? If so, I'll have a crack on the later ones.

Cheers for the feedback!

synapse
12-09-2008, 14:21
this is a very cool project! and a great idea to improve your skills, with the freehanding/GSing.

subscribed and 5 stars from me! now get out there and finish some models (damn it, youll have more than i have before long!)

Asi the Red
12-09-2008, 14:53
Those Macragge pattern Mk II's are freekin' awesome!

Triszin The Wrath God
12-09-2008, 15:21
yes i was referring to the vertical line, but as it nstands they remind me of iron man!, so it'll be cool to see an army of iron man marines assaulting something =P

thanks for the info about the pics i'll have to find that book and imagine stuff to make

thanks
triszin

Dictator
12-09-2008, 16:50
Awesome. PH Ultramarines, rock

IncrediSteve
12-09-2008, 17:46
Subbed. Subbed so hard :chrome:.

I can't believe I didn't see this sooner!

floyd pinkerton
12-09-2008, 17:48
I logged in just to say how awesome this is going to be!

subbed:D

randyc9999
12-09-2008, 17:54
I'm looking forward to seeing the painted pig on the shoulder pad for Vertigon!

migsula
12-09-2008, 18:45
This thread "reeks" of the kind of hobby love and creativity that you seldom see. FANTASTIC potential! :)

tcraigen
17-09-2008, 02:47
P.I.M.P can't wait to see them take shape.

Lord Cook
17-09-2008, 05:03
I'm extremely impressed with the level of detail you're putting into this, particularly with the heraldry. This project is worth keeping an eye on methinks ;).

Apologist
17-09-2008, 09:16
Hey cats,
Here're the first four marines for the army, fresh from the armouries of the Fortress of Hera. Thanks for all the encouragement so far I'm hoping to have ten or fifteen ready for painting at the end of October, so I'm on a building spree at the moment.

Fireteams from the Apaesians, XIII Legion tactical squad, on manouevres on Iax.
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0348.jpg

This marine, identifed by vid-capture as Brother Neosebius, is armed with a M31. Mars Pattern Mark IV boltgun. This benefits from numerous technologies gleaned from the Great Crusade, and as such will operate effectively in hard vacuum, submerged, or even covered in gelatinous mud.

Effective links to the Mark II autosenses have recently been discovered, and this has reduced the need for bulky armoured cabling on the forearms.
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0344.jpg
Note the sheaf of Meditation Notes tucked under the non-standard hip shield. Peculiar to the Ultramarines, these notes are hand-scriven copies of the Primarch's teachings; copied out by the marine for inspiration and to focus the individual's efforts.

Most importantly, Guilliman's Meditation Notes ritually bind the individual to the squad, the squad to the company, and the company to the Legion, ensuring that each marine knows his vital role in the workings of the Great Crusade.

The act of scrivening is an important ritual to the Ultramarines, helping them to focus their minds on the immediate task at hand, and many carry favourite quotations, inscribed on toughened leather, into battle. This serves to remind them to drive for success, courage and honour.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0345.jpg
Rear shot of Neosebius

It was a lot of fun to put these together. My new method of adding the rims to the shoulder pauldrons (with an L-shaped piece of plasticard rather than two separate bits) means that these guys look a lot cleaner than the older Tech-aspirants for my Braun II Skitarii.

I am tempted to poach the heavy bolter and meltagunner from the old squad... Thoughts?

Apologist
17-09-2008, 12:25
Here're some close-ups of the sergeant:

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0340.jpg
Sergeant Epipatros is a Terran veteran, and wears artificer-altered Mark I armour. He is armed with a traditional Chalybes-pattern sword, known in Macragge dialect as a spatho, and a Mars-pattern mark II bolt pistol, sleeker and lighter than the standard.

Since Space Marines need fear few small arms the various Xeno species of the galaxy bear, he wears a rallying banner. These are common amongst the Legions of the Astartes and are mounted on a telescopic and retractable pole. Banners are worn in open warfare as a means of identifying friendly squads in the midst of battle. The designs are by no means standard, but the XV Chapter banners commonly bear the squad's personal heraldry in this case, the honorific: Apaesians, to commemorate the first leader of the squad.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0341.jpg
The skull at the base of the backpack and on the banner boss marks Epipatros out as a squad leader, and the wreath on the boss marks him as having won the Imperial laurel for courage.

Cassarus
17-09-2008, 13:00
great work, like usual!

Apologist
17-09-2008, 14:10
Cheers!
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0343.jpg
This detail of an Astartes identified as Brother Cerberon helps illustrate how quickly Space Marine armour was developed, and how its interchangable nature led to a hotch-potch appearance in units far from resupply.

This early crusade-issue power pack shows the older reinforced cabling necessary on the early Mark II suits, but the lower part of the pack is clearly one of the more up-to-date.

Hard to damage but difficult to repair, the Crusade suits of power armour were often jury-rigged by artificers to use sections of older patterns or marks following battle damage. This practise led to many individual Astartes, and even whole legions particularly the more superstitious, like the White Scars and Space Wolves refusing to swap their reliable older mark armour for new plate, and ending up with patchwork hybrid suits.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0342.jpg
Alert and ready, Cerberon clears dirt from his boltgun in the field. Note the distinctive hooped armour of the Macragge-pattern Mark II Lorica armour.

This particular variant of the Crusade Suit benefitted from advanced power relays that ran perpendicular to, and underneath, the horizontal hoops of armour as opposed to the Mars-pattern Mark II armour, which had a vertical power reley running up the centre and outside of the hoops.

The Macragge-pattern was advanced and effective, but the integrated relay method of construction made it almost impossible to repair. In addition, the relays could not support as much raw weight, meaning that the sur-plate that covered the upper torso had to be abandoned to prevent fatal heat build-up, reducing the effacity of the armour by as much as six per cent to direct force trauma.

synapse
17-09-2008, 14:13
I HATE YOU APOLOGIST!!!

these are great, i love the third guy, the one holding the bolter with his left hand above it. very cool stuff.

but tisk tisk - non-pre heresy bolters ;) (yeah yeah so sue me for nitpicking :p)

great work - looking forward to seeing these painted.

Apologist
17-09-2008, 14:21
A quick note on the Meditations – I wanted to characterise the Ultramarines without taking away from their clean appearance, and figured that I could combine the purity seals/oaths of moment concept with a nod to the Codex: Astartes that Guilliman would later write. It also let me make a coded reference to Meditations, by the Roman Marcus Aurelius – which helps tie in a Classical feel with the unsuperstitious Great Crusade aesthetic.


I HATE YOU APOLOGIST!!!
these are great, i love the third guy, the one holding the bolter with his left hand above it. very cool stuff.
The Wrath of Synapse – I'm honoured! (Even if the wrath of synapse sounds like a hangover...)


but tisk tisk - non-pre heresy bolters
Yeah... I ummed and erred about this, but eventually decided I prefer the handgrip at the front – if only because it lets me make two-handed boltguns more easily.

Apologist
17-09-2008, 14:39
Last one for today! I particularly like this guy's pose.

It is standard practise amongst the Thirteenth Legion to have a squad leader under the direct command of the sergeant. Having demonstrated inititative, fieldcraft abilities, understanding of strategic and tactical elements and command potential even above regular Astartes, these warriors are fully capable of effectively commanding their brethren in the field of battle. This is eased by every Ultramarine's spectacular resourcefulness and discipline.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0346.jpg
Wearing an Honorific belt buckle taken from a suit of Thunder Armour, Squad Leader Eumon appears to be directing his brethren's fire. Note the frag and krak grenades slung from his belt and the Meditation Notes pinned to his shoulder pauldron.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0347.jpg
This view shows the nameplate honorific on Eumon's left pauldron.

synapse
17-09-2008, 14:54
Yeah... I ummed and erred about this, but eventually decided I prefer the handgrip at the front if only because it lets me make two-handed boltguns more easily.

yep. theres a reason none of my guys are holding their bolters in 2 hands :o

Brother_Chaplian Raimo
17-09-2008, 20:15
The definition of rad. Truescale is always leet, and I've got a soft spot for MKII. Also, Clive Barker is a good thing.

Wrath of Synapse- S7 AP2 36". May be used during the Shooting Phase. Unless your opponent's models are truescale, he immediately suffers Crippling Shame, and curls up in a fetal position under the table, never to emerge. May be countered by Aura of Awesome Win.

Accolade
18-09-2008, 04:45
I'm loving these guys. I cannot wait for them to be completed with their heraldry and backstories put up! Those helmets are also great, and I really want to see how they look painted up.

Boss_Salvage
23-09-2008, 04:08
*squeel of joy, followed by embarassment and some throat clearing*

Frakking awesome Appy, you've done it again. The fact that you're making SO many embiggened marines is fantastic - and your embiggened marines are really something special, so in depth - but with custom heads and other PH goodness? High. Five. Dude.

Love the pose on all of the built lads, though I think the one simply firing his bolter is perfection.

- Salvage

alphachicken
23-09-2008, 04:30
I've just read this blog from start to finish.

I have to say, it looks like you're rushing stuff. There are so many great ideas here, and so many great poses, especially the huge huge huge shoulderpads that look like they're out from those absurd artworks you've shown, I love them all!, but I'm scared that the poor worksmanship and the rushing will show itself during painting.


http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0342.jpg

This photo I believe explains what I'm trying to say. Take your time man, fill the gaps, smoothen the gs' work with sandpaper, we can wait the results, you have a great potential, I'd like to see it at 100% :)

I'll be watching this thread for future updates, its very promising.

Apologist
23-09-2008, 10:55
I have to say, it looks like you're rushing stuff. There are so many great ideas here, and so many great poses, especially the huge huge huge shoulderpads that look like they're out from those absurd artworks you've shown, I love them all!

It's always good to get critique, so cheers. You are right – I got a bit carried away while I was making 'em! Now, that's generally a good sign, but as you've pointed out, some of them do look a little scrappy.

The particular model you've picked up on is probably the worst offender – compare his legs (http://s103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/?action=view&current=DSCN0343.jpg) to the sergeant's (http://s103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/?action=view&current=DSCN0341.jpg), who got properly cleaned up before assembly (though looks like I need to fix his shoulderpad and grenades – d'oh!). I'll be heading back and fixing these guys up tonight, when I'm going to start work on the next five.

My plan is to get five to near completion, and then start the next five. I always seem to end up wasting a little greenstuff with each batch, so that should allow me to use the dogend of GS to fix the previous batch. Hurrah!

Here's a desaturated picture at actual size – I finally worked out how to do this on my camera. As you can see, he's still a little scrappy, but nowt that some careful work won't fix. :)
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/Untitled-3.jpg

+++
Also, I've decided to bite the bullet and cannibalise a couple of my old marines from the Mechanicus army. These no longer have any rules (being built to use Deathwatch rules), so I figure I'll put them to good use in my Praetors of Calth.

The two I'll be using are the meltagun guy and the heavy bolter bloke:
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/Untitled-1copy.jpg
Actual size

I quite like the idea of leaving the arm cabling on, to help support the heavy bolter. What do you reckon?
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/Untitled-2.jpg
Embiggened piccy
Obviously he'll need a new head (ideas welcome!), but the rest of him's good to go.


Melta-fella will have a hand swap back to his original incarnation as a bolter-wielder, too. Not at all sure what will happen to the other three techmarine aspirants, though.

+++
Thanks for all the comments and support from the community!

IncrediSteve
23-09-2008, 15:18
Cabling is fine, suspensors were around in pre-heresy, no?

I'd leave at least one tech marine aspirant behind for the Mechanicus, rumor has it that vanilla IG will be able to take an Inquisitor in the next codex, and that would be a very fitting counts-as platform for a Tech aspirant and attendants.

Personally I think the triple-eyed helmet should go to whichever one is kept since it's so cool, but whatever suits your taste :chrome:

Otherwise the leftover tech aspirants should make good bolter marines for the Praetors without too much fuss over bling and AdMech removal.

Apologist
25-09-2008, 10:22
Brother Cerberon – greenstuff redux!
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0352.jpg
I wasn't happy with how the greenstuff work looked on this guy, so I've tidied it up considerably. Thanks to Alphachicken's encouragement – cheers cat – I've done the same with the rest of the squad, but this is very much ongoing (and very dull to look at!); so on to more exciting things:

Squad Leader Eumon
...gets a spiffy scenic base:
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0349-1.jpg
Taken from the Marneus Calgar miniature, I think this adds a real sense of drama to the mini. I'll be using resin bases with rolled shoulders from various places, and am looking forward to getting them – I really think they add a great deal to the overall look of the army, and set off the models beautifully.

Note also the reinforced buttress running centrally down the breastplate: I'm finding greenstuffing works much better if you build it up in stages.

Brother Atlion
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0353.jpg
All Space Marines are trained in the use of specialist weaponry, but those who show particular aptitude tend to be assigned squad support weaponry, such as Brother Atlion, known as 'Straightback'. Unfortunately, the records of this particular marine are lost, and the origin of this appelation are unknown. Indeed, it is only through indirect records in the Apocrypha that we know his name and heraldry at all; the Hyponian Hololith having been damaged at some unknown date.

This is a particular shame, as the presence of the Imperialis (winged skull) on his chest was later to become the campaign badge for the Loyalist forces during the Horus Heresy – and this seems to be the earliest recorded instance of its use.

Note the reinforced cabling below the arms. Despite suspensors and power-augmented strength, this mark of Heavy Bolter (Braun VI Malfeasance) was near-impossible to control under fire, and only the very strongest marines could hope to use it with any accuracy. Additional power cabling and improved couplings helped somewhat, but it was still far from ideal.

Note also the additional Truesight targeter integrated onto the helm. The versatility and adapatable nature of the Astartes Crusade armour was a great boon to the artificers and warriors who used it.

A simple headswap – note the more angular front to the helm (another example of tweaked greenstuff work) – and he's ready to rock!

Apologist
25-09-2008, 12:08
Brother Iophilus
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0350-1.jpg
This pict-capture shows a marine with his helmet removed. The Macragge-pattern helm was based on an incomplete STC that showed extremely advanced autosenses, including terrorsight extended IR vision and Eocene aural pick-ups, which bypassed the eardrum and transmitted sound through the jawbone. In conjunction with the Lyman's ear, this development gave wearers incredibly acute hearing – including in hard vacuum, when marines could transmit by touching another's armour and allowing the autosenses to pick up microvibrations.

Although initial tests were promising, the autosenses were bulky and easily damaged. This led to the development of the distinctive faceplate. Unfortunately, the retrospective development of the STC led to an extremely temperamental helm, which got locked open or closed, shut down involuntarily, and whose filtration and gaseous exchange systems periodically got clogged.

This was generally put down to dust and grit infiltrating the expanded joints but through historical research, senior Techpriests can now explain this as improper incantations and supplications to the machine spirits.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0351.jpg

This probably explains why the marine (tentatively identified as Brother Iophilus) has removed his helmet; though it is possible it has become damaged in battle. Note also the bolter strap (commonly discarded) and colligative rebreather. While not necessary on the majority of the planets in the Hypon system, the Ultramarines were sticklers for form and commonly took additional equipment into battle. This turned out to be extremely fortunate in the J'rel Incident, when the orks released huge quantities of an extremely deadly nerve toxin – countered only by the Ultramarines having pre-prepared osmotic gills and other filtration agents.

The Aepesians
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0360.jpg
Back row, from left to right: Brother Atlion (weapon operative), Brother Telyon (logistics), Squad Leader Eumon.
Middle row, from left to right: Sergeant Epipatros, Brother Gabulus (weapon operative).
Front row, from left to right: Brother Cerberon, Brother Neosebius, Brother Iophilus (sabs/subversion).
Not pictured: Brother Noctem (comms), Brother Neophrast (recon).

Apologist
25-09-2008, 14:45
I'm planning on getting ten of them complete, then building their Rhino, then spraying 'em all and getting stuck in. I figure doing 'em squad by squad will help me keep up the enthusiasm. *Crosses fingers*

However, there're more updates, too – here are the next four, ready for their secondary hearts, multilung and various other upgrades (i.e. pre-chest expansion).
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0354.jpg

...and a closer look at that head with the brush. (Apologies for the poor piccy!)
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0355.jpg

Next up is brother Gabulus, whose flamer you can't quite see in the group shot...

bp.
25-09-2008, 15:18
Wow these models are awesome, and the conversion is easy (i should say looks easy!) and looks really good?

How much you spent so far on termie legs?

malika
25-09-2008, 15:29
Wait...are you also going to build a true scale Rhino?

synapse
25-09-2008, 16:58
oh no! what did you do to the aspirant with the nurgle head? he is to be reassigned to the smurfs?

shame - that helmet was so cool!

Magos Explorator
27-09-2008, 18:02
The models are great, but I especially like the text like this:


This was generally put down to dust and grit infiltrating the expanded joints but through historical research, senior Techpriests can now explain this as improper incantations and supplications to the machine spirits.

Really shows the development of the mindset of the Imperium through the ages!

Deus Ruinus
27-09-2008, 18:34
LOL! smurfs during the great crusade...im likening the true scael of your guys, however im not to fond of the shoulderpads, i thing the rims are a bit too thick...otherwise. its all good and nice!



YES build a true scale rino!

Praexes
27-09-2008, 21:09
Don't build a truescale Rhino. It'll be distracting and frustrating for you, and it will prolong the wait till I get to see this little warband finished and painted. ;)

alphachicken
29-09-2008, 03:51
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0349-1.jpg

That one looks like its from a Dan Abnett novel, I love him.


Great job on the latest ones Apologist, I think you're on your way to become the first guy I've seen making a 500point proper looking truescale army. Keep up the good work!

sartarius
29-09-2008, 06:01
this is an amazing army i am looking forward to seeing your work painted up so keep up the work

Apologist
29-09-2008, 08:48
Cheers cats here's the next one, along with a group shot. I got lots done last thursday, but Warseer seemed to be down. In other news; lots of updates today!

Brother Iophilus
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0350-1.jpg
This pict-capture shows a marine with his helmet removed. The Macragge-pattern helm was based on an incomplete STC that showed extremely advanced autosenses, including terrorsight extended IR vision and Eocene aural pick-ups, which bypassed the eardrum and transmitted sound through the jawbone. In conjunction with the Lyman's ear, this development gave wearers incredibly acute hearing including in hard vacuum, when marines could transmit by touching another's armour and allowing the autosenses to pick up microvibrations.

Although initial tests were promising, the autosenses were bulky and easily damaged. This led to the development of the distinctive faceplate. Unfortunately, the retrospective development of the STC led to an extremely temperamental helm, which got locked open or closed, shut down involuntarily, and whose filtration and gaseous exchange systems periodically got clogged.

This was generally put down to dust and grit infiltrating the expanded joints but through historical research, senior Techpriests can now explain this as improper incantations and supplications to the machine spirits.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0351.jpg

This probably explains why the marine (tentatively identified as Brother Iophilus) has removed his helmet; though it is possible it has become damaged in battle. Note also the bolter strap (commonly discarded) and colligative rebreather. While not necessary on the majority of the planets in the Hypon system, the Ultramarines were sticklers for form and commonly took additional equipment into battle. This turned out to be extremely fortunate in the J'rel Incident, when the orks released huge quantities of an extremely deadly nerve toxin countered only by the Ultramarines having pre-prepared osmotic gills and other filtration agents.

The Aepesians
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0360.jpg
Back row, from left to right: Brother Atlion (weapon operative), Brother Telyon (logistics), Squad Leader Eumon.
Middle row, from left to right: Sergeant Epipatros, Brother Gabulus (weapon operative).
Front row, from left to right: Brother Cerberon, Brother Neosebius, Brother Iophilus (sabs/subversion).
Not pictured: Brother Noctem (comms), Brother Neophrast (recon).

Apologist
29-09-2008, 09:48
Brother Gabulus
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0370.jpg
The use of specialist weaponry is common amongst the Astartes. This marine bears a Sigur-pattern flamethrower. This long-snouted weapon projects a sheet of burning promethium over a greater distance than the more common Annihilator-pattern.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0371.jpg
This pict-capture shows the bulky fuel tank of the Sigur. Due to this, and the unwieldy extended projector, this pattern of flamer fell out of favour for close-in work.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0369.jpg
Gabulus warns his brethren back as he investigates the remnants of a burnt-out building. Note his armour plate – this is the newly-developed Mark III Armorum Ferrum, commonly known as Iron Armour. Providing increased protection against attacks from the front arc, this visually brutal suit of armour is of great use to assault and recon fireteams, who must close with the enemy.

He needs a little tidying-up and detailing (particularly around the fuel tanks), but I'm happy with the basic pose at the moment. In fact, this is his second iteration – his original arm (that you can see in the group shot above) looked a bit too much like a fascist salute to me!

The inspiration for this bloke was the flamethrowers you see at the start of Saving Private Ryan – long nozzles and big vulnerable tanks. I thought that would echo the advanced/regressed feel of the Legions at the edge of the galaxy...

Apologist
29-09-2008, 11:03
Brother Noctem
The relatively primitive comms units of the first Imperial units were sufficient for inter-squad communication and relays to higher command in the Wars of Unification and the begininning of the Crusade. However, as more developed species were encountered, the Expedition fleets started to find their primitive communications hacked, deciphered and scrambled, which led to stinging defeats.

Crusade Armour, developed by Martian techpriests who were conversant with such strategies, was largely immune to conventional electronic warfare tactics; but even the Astartes fearsome training and high-quality equipment was not immune to foes such as the Cuprean Hegemony; the Steel Warriors of Oneida or the Ancient Eldar, with their psychic-based communications.

Much like weapons discipline, all Astartes train in battlefield communications; and much like weapons specialists, Astartes squads often have communications specialists. In the Ultramarines, this position is known as a Fryktoroi, derived from the old Macragge custom of lighting beacons. The Aepesians' Fryktoroi has been tentatively identified as Brother Noctem.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0367.jpg
This pict-capture shows Brother Noctem's advanced Mars-pattern Mark II. Note the additional piping around the faceplate, which houses the sonic baffles and semantic encryption cabling. Visible over the top of his boltgun is an honorific shield. No records remain of the reason for this award.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0366.jpg
The bulky scytale vox-suite integrated into Noctem's backpack is obvious from this angle. Note the Herodotus Deception Vane and Faraday Cipher Projector; as well as the OFM-Aegis of the microband receptors below them, which provided the fryktoroi with aggressive nullification of psychic abilities below Theta-level – a vital defence against the low-level psychics of species like the Kk-kk and the Salamon Lien in the era before the implementation of the Librarius divisions.

The additional heat this equipment generates necessitates an additional heat sink vane, visible below the normal right-hand vane. Nevertheless, this heat build-up often unfortunately allowed the enemy to detect the Astartes and his squad, and once the equipment was developed sufficiently, the scytale backpack fell away into disuse, replaced by the more advanced systems that were so small that they could be integrated into Mark IV plate.

The shot also shows a set of magnoculars to the lower left. Non-standard kit for comms specialists, this again demonstrates the fearsome preparation and redundancy the Ultramarines practised.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0365.jpg
This final pict-capture shows Noctem issuing a silent hand signal with his left hand. Macragge field signals are as ancient as human habitation of the system, and were traditionally used to hunt beasts and game. Guilliman integrated traditional the fieldcraft of the people into his legion, keen to use simple systems that were time-honoured and proven.

Two fingers pointing down indicates danger ahead – in this case, we know an ork ambush was waiting. The orks were surrounded and neutralised by the Aepesians in short order, thanks to support and info relayed in from surrounding augers to Noctem.

Fryktoroi provided their brethren with protection from electronic attack, kept them shielded from passive enemy scans and maintained communications with high command, in addition to their regular duties as assault forces. It is only due to the high training and abilities of the Astartes that this heavy burden could be maintained near-indefinitely.

Nevertheless, the role of fryktoroi fell away into tradition once the advanced Mark IV battleplate was issued, which allowed all marines access to tightband secure communications and improved electronic warfare by a quantum level to the Astartes – another example of the difficulties and primitive equipment that with which mankind began to conquer the galaxy.

This marine was a bit of an experiment – I used the body from one of the new starter set marines for him. Seemed to work alright! Just a little clean-up and detailing, and he'll be ready to roll; which leaves only brother Neophrast to do now – should be fun to make a recon specialist reading an old-school scanner. Once he's done, it's on to making an embiggened Rhino Armoured Personnel Carrier – I'm equally nervous and excited about that! – and then painting. :)

After that, another two squads and transports in the same vein, which will provide the basis for the army.
If you've any ideas for a specialist (I'm no military man!) or questions on the background, let me know. I really love making this stuff up – really helps me with the modelling and painting, because it sparks ideas and inspiration. This guy started out as a recon marine, but I suddenly had some cool ideas for an old-school auspex, so he became a communications specialist. I figure marine equipment must have been a mix of fearsomely high-tech and primitive out on the fringes of the galaxy; and really love the combinations of ancient names and practises, near-future technology and complete science fiction that this lets me play around with.

malika
29-09-2008, 11:46
They are starting to look really great!

I know they are still WIPs but the backpacks of the specialists need some work though. :)

sigur
29-09-2008, 17:55
Well, well, well. Thanks, I'm honored (I guess).:p

Not a great fan of truescale marines (or pre-heresy stuff for that matter) but the poses are very well done. Looks promising.

Catferret
29-09-2008, 18:03
Sigur-pattern flamers... Must be the fiery temperament. :p

Praexes
29-09-2008, 21:57
The fluff and backstory you put into this really sets your awesome log apart. I might try it out (write something just for me, likely won't be posting it) in order to help with motivation/inspiration. My Death Guard are already named, but I haven't gone deeper than that.

Anyway, keep it up! This thread has been a great read over the past few months. :)

Lord Cook
29-09-2008, 23:36
All incredibly impressive, as usual.

sarabando
30-09-2008, 00:22
niiiiice really nice

Apologist
30-09-2008, 12:04
Thanks for all the comments; in particular:

Not a great fan of truescale marines (or pre-heresy stuff for that matter) but the poses are very well done. Looks promising.
which makes me think I must be doing something right! :)

As a general note on true-scaling/actual-scaling/resizing, this project's not so much dissatisfaction with the current marine models as it is simply an experiment with larger models. I really like the look of resized marines, as I think it makes the power armour itself look like a walking tank an image I've always liked about the Astartes.

In an update of sorts, I've received a load of bases from Fenris and ordered some more from Foundations of War. I've also decided to experiment with ProCreate putty and some clay shapers, so I've got those coming from Heresy Miniatures, along with a few bits and bobs that will be used fto make the Primarch. :)

rrchristensen
30-09-2008, 23:18
This thread is made of Awesome and Win!

Seriously cool work. I am going to emulate it, have in fact been planning to do so for some time and got the first few legs all GS'ed up. But currently the Atlantic Ocean lays between me and my hobby supplies (oh, and my wife).

I've ordered 15 Black Reach terminators (and two Dreads) and have maybe an additional 15 terminators, Loyalist and Chaos alike at home. All will in months to come be turned into TS marines.

Thanks for all the inspiration!

Apologist
03-10-2008, 08:33
No worries – and good luck with your conversions!

Some size comparison shots:
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0374.jpg
Space Marines were intimidatingly larger than unenhanced humans, even out of their armour. Once clad in battle plate, they were a potent terror weapon. Their weaponry was equally titanic: compare the boltguns in the hands of the Astartes and the regular army soldier.

Young Telycon from Squad Santiago:
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0372.jpg
Hand outstretched behind him to ward back the Hyponian Army officer, Telycon carries a mark II boltgun. Note the primitive handgrip.

Of course, even Astartes are dwarfed by some of their fighting vehicles: Standing three times the height of a man, Dreadnoughts are feared by all foes of the Imperium. On the battlefield they are death incarnate, with powerful weapons blasting their foes and lethal close combat weaponry crackling with deadly energies. There are few opponents in the galaxy who can stand against such armoured savagery.

Mark II dreadnought suit
Size comparison with Astartes
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/Untitled-1copy-1.jpg
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Frontal view – note Legio XIII symbology and iconography
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/Untitled-1copy-2.jpg
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+++ERROR IN TRANSMISSION+++
+++AWAIT FUTHER+++

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Mr Feral
03-10-2008, 10:10
Your Truescale Marines are looking great as usual, but you really should get those transmissions fixed. :p

Ganymene
03-10-2008, 10:56
These look awesome! Can't wait to see them painted.

I love those helmets, and the fact that each one is different.

Also, more truescale dreadnought!

malika
03-10-2008, 11:54
Can't wait to see a better picture of the dreadnought!

Are you also going to include Imperial Army elements? Love to see some Land Raiders, Land Speeders (please do the old skool design) and such in Imperial Army colours! :evilgrin:

synapse
03-10-2008, 12:14
damn your teasing!!!!

bp.
03-10-2008, 13:16
Yeh what synapse said. :p

Catferret
03-10-2008, 13:26
Is that a fist from a warjack on the dread?

Apologist
03-10-2008, 16:17
+++transmission Fail+++

Apologist
03-10-2008, 16:18
Inspired by (among other artworks):
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/thumb/0/0c/Pre-Heresy_Dreadnought.jpg/600px-Pre-Heresy_Dreadnought.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0377.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0380.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0379.jpg

Apologist
03-10-2008, 16:21
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0378.jpg

Scale comparison shot:
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0376.jpg

Hope you like him. Apologies for the wordless piccies; but I've gotta get painting! :)


Is that a fist from a warjack on the dread?
Si – but I forget which. One of the uh... Red faction. (A Juggernaut?)

Catferret
03-10-2008, 16:24
Khador thingy. Thought as much. I am worried that I could tell from the fuzzy teaser pic... I hate Warmachine! Oh dear.

Anyway, nice job on that dread. It looks great. Very imposing. The legs even look like they could walk without waddling like the regular dread legs.

sartarius
03-10-2008, 16:36
that dread is awsome!!! simple as

malika
03-10-2008, 17:04
Hmm, now that is a cool pre heresy dread!

synapse
03-10-2008, 17:08
damn you!!!

thats tasty looking! - but the nagain expecting anything less from you would bee foolish

btw thats one of the pieces of art i used as reference for mine.

Praexes
03-10-2008, 22:34
Amazing looking dreadnaught, Apologist. I've always wanted to see a quality conversion of a dreadnaught with a 'fist' style Dread CCW... besides the slightly odd looking official GW Venerable Dread.


- but the nagain expecting anything less from you would bee foolish

The space bar: Synapse's greatest enemy. :p

Brother_Chaplian Raimo
03-10-2008, 22:55
the nagain

Oh no! The feared and horrific Nagain. You've got to watch out for those these days...

synapse
04-10-2008, 02:28
The space bar: Synapse's greatest enemy. :p


jeez i wrote the damned thing and it took ME ages to figure that out! lol

Boss_Salvage
04-10-2008, 07:22
<3 for the dread, though I'm less a fan of the enormous crotch armor ... But fan-freaking-tastic Appy, nice work :D

- Salvage

*POAST!*

Lord Cook
04-10-2008, 10:46
I'm very impressed. The legs are brilliant.

Apologist
05-10-2008, 18:53
Hey cats,


<3 for the dread, though I'm less a fan of the enormous crotch armor
Thanks - and he needs it for his enormous crotch! :D

Right, that smiley takes up one of the images allowed for this post, so I'll get cracking with new stuff:

Mark I Bullock Jetcycle
Used extensively by recon, scout and assault units, jetcycles play a vitally important role in the Ultramarines modus operandi. Their high speed, manouvreability and mastery of three-dimensional warfare allows them to keep command and control units involved, updated and aware.
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/IMG_0552.jpg
As well as the advanced communication equipment - such as scanners, auspices and haruspex active scanning - Marines are well-trained in more simple methods of imparting information.
This Astartes - identity as yet unknown - has brought his jetcycle to a halt, and is indicating the enemy to his brethren.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/IMG_0553.jpg
Note the external targeter mounted on the jetcycle's fairing. This cycle is obviously not linked to the marine's autosenses directly.

Apologist
05-10-2008, 19:05
...and now more exciting stuff; at least for me:

Veteran Brother Eumon:
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/Untitled-1copy-3.jpg
Brother Eumon is shown here directing the fire of his brethren. Note the jury-rigged steel plate across the vulnerable piping of the Mark II armour, and the black halo encircling the inverted omega of the Ultramarines on his Thunder Armour belt buckle. This represents the fleet of Macragge, and indicates Eumon has crewed a starship.

Numerous medallions, honorifics and details cover his breastplate: his right as a veteran.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/IMG_0548.jpg
Eumon's personal heraldry shows the diagonal split of Calth, with a gold and black cogged background indicating his support by one of the Techniclans. This is surmounted by a red Iron Halo, marking him out as a squad leader.

Note also the Meditations - two sets mark him out as particularly devoted to the teachings if the Primarch.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/IMG_0549.jpg
This angle shows the Legion heraldry - the inverted Omega of the Ultramarines. Inside this is the squad number. To the lower left is the Chapter number (in this case, 15), and to the lower right is the squad designation: tactical.

Note also Eumon's personalised boltgun, inscribed with 'Calth'. Numerous members of the Fifteenth Chapter were drawn from the militaristic areas of Calth, which gave the Chapter its honorific: The Praetors of Calth.

In Eumon's case, he is almost certainly a Terran veteran, and this boltgun casing may have been granted to him by an admiring artificer, as a personal gift from one of his brethren, or as an honour granted by his Captain on his promotion to squad leader.

sartarius
05-10-2008, 19:07
you have done a fantastic job on him!
how did you paint that blue it is soo nicely done

synapse
05-10-2008, 19:10
good use of the vehicle radar and the new DP icon. i would have worried the bikes might look too small on these guys but they look fine. good maybe there's hope yet for my jetbikes :p

EDIT: damn you posted the marine as i was writing!

thats an ace job, really characterful and.. well.. good! nice heraldry

Praexes
05-10-2008, 19:22
This thread makes me happy in my pants. Amazing job, Apologist. :)

IncrediSteve
05-10-2008, 19:27
Did you cast that Jetbike? It almost looks like it was sculpted out of gray stuff, or cast from something.

Or is it just the primer?

Wait, that shoulder pad looks filled in...

Absurdly awesome marine though, you totally just lowered my "Resist painting my Ultramarines until other stuff is done" level by about 80%.

Brother_Chaplian Raimo
05-10-2008, 20:31
That is one beautiful Ultramarine, good sir. I hereby award you the prestigious Mad Props, for modeling win.

malika
05-10-2008, 21:32
Wooooooooooooooow!!! That must be the coolest Ultramarine I've ever seen!

Not so sure about the jetbike though...but yeah maybe it still has to grow on me!

Triszin The Wrath God
06-10-2008, 03:29
wow there gona be some of the best looking Ultra's ive ever seen if you paint em all to that quality

Apologist
06-10-2008, 09:55
Thanks all! I'm really pleased with how he's come out. In all honesty, it's probably the best paintjob I've ever managed, which goes to show that trying new techniques can help push you on (and cause you to curse the model while you're doing it!) :p


Did you cast that Jetbike? It almost looks like it was sculpted out of gray stuff, or cast from something.
Or is it just the primer?
Wait, that shoulder pad looks filled in...
Grey primer, I'm afraid – and the shoulder pad was simply filled in: I wanted to experiment with a rimless pad. :)

MvS
06-10-2008, 10:13
These miniatures are amazing!

Things like this really make me realise how much I have to learn - not that I really had any doubts beforehand.. :)

Great stuff. Subscribed.

Khrangar
06-10-2008, 12:40
Looks great. Would it be possible to get a better shot of his personal heraldry?

Khrangar

Bob Hunk
06-10-2008, 13:37
Paint, at last! :D It was worth the wait though; Brother Eumon looks amazing. :) I love the deep blue, and would also like to echo calls for a close-up of the heraldry please.

Damokles
06-10-2008, 18:06
really amazing miniature(s) there, I'm particularly impressed by the amount of thought and detail that goes into the creation of your marines, each one an independent character of his own, very good, guess this project will keep you busy for a while, keep it up

Apologist
07-10-2008, 11:21
I'm particularly impressed by the amount of thought and detail that goes into the creation of your marines, each one an independent character of his own

Cheers! That's precisely the feel I'm going for – call me an unapologetic geek, but I love the detail of these guys after the facelessness of the hypaspist hordes of my Mechanicus.

Plan for this evening is to get another marine painted... but which one?

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I had some ideas brewing after reading the new fluff for the Praetors of Orpheus in Codex: Space Marines. Basically, they're very technically competent, and I'd like to reflect that in my Praetors of Calth. Thankfully I'd already planned on fielding craploads of tanks, and doubtless my Mechanicus implants will be twitching to make this guy sooner or later:
http://www.downloadmunkey.net/images/card25.jpg
...so it's all turned out to be very fortunate for me indeed (assuming I can source this Necromunda pitslave claw: http://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/images/1/16/Pit_Slave_2.jpg
– anyone who's willing to sell one to me will receive massive glee!).

Here's some fluff on Calth (thought I'd flesh it out a bit to give me a handle on the Ultras and get some ideas and inspiration flying about).
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Calth
Calth is part of Ultramar, the Ultramarines Empire, and one of its most productive worlds. It is a verdant and fairly populous world, its surface covered in rich and varied terrain. It has an overall mild climate a few degrees cooler than Ancient Terra, and a gravity slightly higher owing to its larger mass. Owing to a particularly stable orbit, seasonal changes in weather are slight, and crops and agriculture are grown steadily throughout the year.

The inhabitants are reknowned for their parsimony and level-headedness, and operated in much the same way for thousands of years before their rediscovery by the Imperium. Slightly shorter than galactic average, and typically endomorphic in build, Calthans exhibit moderate genetic diversity. Most inhabitants have dark, almost black, irises; and have a ruddy, olive skintone. Dark, tightly-curled hair is the norm, though the planet has alos produced an extremely unusual genotype with violet-blue eyes and near-white hair. Beyond this, incidences of mutation are low, and psychic phenomena are virtually unknown.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/Inspiration/Untitled-1copy.jpg

Roughly seventy per cent of the planet's denizens live in secondary agrarian settlements, while the remaining urbanites drive scientific research; a profession for which many show a particular aptitude. Government has varied, but the great Techniclans dominated pre-Imperial leadership, and their respect for machinery and natural resourcefulness, inventiveness and industry tends to make for excellent recruits for Techmarine aspirants.

The planet is also known for its orbital shipyards, which provide the craft used by the Ultramarines, as well as civil and military craft for wider use in the Imperium.

On a broader scale, Calth make an excellent recruitment ground for the Ultramarines legion. Calthan Ultramarines tend to exhibit the same conservatism as their gene-folk, and rarely progress to high leadership positions, unlike the more creative and strategically-minded Iaxians, or the resourceful inhabitants of Parmenio and Espandor.

Nevertheless, numerous excellent line officers and infantrymen have been drawn from Calth, and its soldiery are known for their stubbornness and faith in the Imperial Truth.

malika
07-10-2008, 11:54
So...are your vehicles also going to be true scale? And are you going to stick with the old designs? Can't wait to see you build a true scale RT era pre-Heresy Land Raider! :evilgrin:

Apologist
07-10-2008, 12:06
So...are your vehicles also going to be true scale? And are you going to stick with the old designs? Can't wait to see you build a true scale RT era pre-Heresy Land Raider! :evilgrin:

I toyed with the idea of using paper templates at 130%, but practically speaking, I think I'm going to use plasticard to alter the current Rhinos.

No plans for Land Raiders at the mo, but there will be Predators. Their 'true-scaling' will be minimal I don't want them to look as obviously based on the Rhino chassis as the current models, so I have a cunning plan to bulk 'em up without simply enlarging them as I will the Rhinos. After all, no need to embiggen the Predator's carrying capacity just the armour! :p

Catferret
07-10-2008, 12:46
Apologist: I can help you source that Pitslave Claw. PM me if you're interested.

IncrediSteve
07-10-2008, 15:33
Here's some snippets on Calth I've got from an Ultramarines info search a few years ago.

Firstly is the color pic I found when browsing imperial planets a few years ago [attached]. It was hosted on a French website, so I cannot give mad props where due to the creators as the only second language I know is enough Spanish to order off a menu :(. They had a lot of nice pictures like this of various planets.

Another source I guiltily have no reference for [again the fruits of an info search 3 or 4 years ago] states that after a chaos attack, Calth is airless, and the majority of inhabitants live underground and in the orbital shipyards. The 40k Galaxy map [link is in my sig] also states that Calth is cavernous with undergrounds cities, and questions if Calth may or may not be airless as there are conflicting sources. The pic also clearly shows Calth to have an atmosphere.

Since you're doing pre-heresy it's most likely the possible atmospheric attack hasn't happened yet, but there are some cool things that you could do with the underground cities. Perhaps some of the Praetors of Calth excel at tunnel fighting due to their underground origins, and/or are at home in the low lit confines of orbital facilities?

Either way, great stuff you've got going. Keep on rockin! :chrome:

Brother_Chaplian Raimo
07-10-2008, 20:06
The lack of atmosphere can be attributed to the unpleasant results of a Word Bearer assault on Calth during the Heresy. Hasn't happened yet, thus Calth remains an agrarian paradise. Or whatever it is.

Apologist
08-10-2008, 09:09
Hey cats,

Cheers for the Calth info very useful! Since this army is being built for three campaign weekends, it's going to develop from the stuff you see here to more 'up-to-date' marks of armour etc. Part of that will be an ongoing plotline, and I think Calth buys the farm in the second campaign weekend.

Close-ups of Eumon's shoulder pads:
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0386.jpg
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0385.jpg

Apologist
08-10-2008, 09:11
...and some WIP shots of Brother Atlion that wouldn't fit in the other post:
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0381.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0382.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0383.jpg

Apologist
09-10-2008, 15:21
Hey cats,
Is anyone feeling generous? I'd like some more ideas for personal heraldry I'm sticking to red, yellow, black, white and blue for the colours, but I'd really love any and all ideas around the traditional Ultramarine themes Classical/Roman/Greek and some more unusual ones. My marines will be drawn from various worlds in Ultramar, so it'd be great if people could offer some suggestions around the following planets, which I have chosen to theme as so:

Macragge: Classical Roman and Highland Scottish
Calth: Scottish/Mechanicus/Welsh
Iax: Classical North African/Carthaginian/Ethiopian
Parmenio: Classical Greek
Espandor: Late Roman/Byzantine

So, for example: a red dragon on a white and blue cogged background could represent a marine from Calth...

IncrediSteve
09-10-2008, 18:51
Here's one for Macragge I did in MS paint. Maybe if I get the chance later I'll sketch some up and scan them in when I get home. Your awesome work inspired me to add some more details to my own Ultramarines 3rd company, so I'll gladly return the favor with some creativity :chrome:

synapse
09-10-2008, 19:02
Eumon's shoulder pad looks great! trying to think how i can make my WE's look more like that...

Cassarus
09-10-2008, 19:12
excellent work Apologist, your um is turning out just as good as your ad-mech, if not better!

Cheers!

Boss_Salvage
12-10-2008, 23:53
Gob-smacked at Eumon, rock solid stuff. The fluff is particularly delicious as well, hat's off to you for really fleshing out what it means to be a space marine (hint: not just T4 AS3+).

The bike is excellent as well, and I'm always on the look out for quality 28mm jetbikes ...

- Salvage

rrchristensen
13-10-2008, 05:21
We can haz updates? :-)

synapse
13-10-2008, 06:29
i am looking forward to seeing that techmarine. and i think 130% will be far too big for the vehicles. even 110% will probably work - you dont want them being too big.

Apologist
15-10-2008, 09:18
Hey fleshbags,

We can haz updates? :-)
Indeed you can has updates:

I've been working out ways I can integrate various different looks into the army.

For example, I wanted to give a nod to the classic scouts with their mohaicans, so thought that it'd be cool to say that it's a practical haircut worn by inhabitants of Macragge. However, I don't want all my scouts to have mohaicans, so figured that scout squads might be mixed between different recruitment worlds. Makes sense to me, and allows me to enjoy painting some Iaxians, with Afrocaribbean skintones; Calthans, with their Mediterranean complexions; and a pallid Talassarian.

But why am I blathering on about scouts? Well, I stupidly left my black paint at my friend's house, so had a search through my bitz box and made these:

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0388.jpg

I'm pleased with how they've come out so far. They'll need quite a bit of putty work (I got some ProCreate in the post, so I'm looking forward to trying it out), particularly around the sergeant's legs. Since he's a full marine, he needs bigger muscles than the teenaged (though still huge!) scouts.

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i am looking forward to seeing that techmarine. and i think 130% will be far too big for the vehicles. even 110% will probably work - you dont want them being too big.
Yeah, you're almost certainly right. It's incredible how much difference even a millimetre or two can make at this scale. Check out the different that a 1mm spacer in the legs, and a slightly longer body, makes to the scout sergeant:

Size comparison of carapace armoured Astartes to scout initiate
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0389.jpg

Size comparison of carapace armoured Astartes to Astartes in mark II battle plate
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0390.jpg

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Techmarine Arius
Since reading the blurb on the Praetors of Orpehus in the new Marine Codex, I'm even more keen to include at least one techmarine, so he's high up on the list. I've even got the start of a Catferret-class servo harness. (Cheers mate!)

Catferret
15-10-2008, 09:23
Aha, glad the part arrived safe and sound. Hope it's suitable for your purpose.

bp.
15-10-2008, 11:33
Fine look scouts matey, waiting for more! :D

GrahamGilchrist
15-10-2008, 12:06
Super-cool as always :)
I love that the sergeant is heavier armoured, but seems to fit perfectly into the squad. He'll be awesome when bulked out.

Are you going to replace those AT-43 bases? (which don't fit in with the rest of your force)

Apologist
16-10-2008, 08:34
Are you going to replace those AT-43 bases? (which don't fit in with the rest of your force)

Yep I've got some 30mm recessed bases with rolled shoulders already, so I just need to buy a pack of Fenris games toppers. In fact, perhaps I shall do that now! :p

Damien Gatecrasher
16-10-2008, 09:00
Hey good work dude.
Am extremally pleased with your helmet conversions. Nice!

Apologist
17-10-2008, 11:06
I sat down and worked out my 2,000pt army list last night, and lo and behold, I've got an 1845pt army that looks like this:

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HQ Captain Orpheus Orkbane: Terminator armour with power mace, combi-melta, melta bombs, digital weapons, auxiliary grenade launcher.

Elites Techmarine Arius with servo harness, plasma pistol and two servitors.
Elites Venerable Dreadnought Avulus, with plasma cannon, heavy flamer and extra armour.

Troops The Apaesians:
Ten-strong Tactical squad with flamer and heavy bolter.
Sergeant Epipatros has a power weapon and melta bombs.
The Apaesians ride in Spear of Iax, Rhino with extra armour, additional combi-bolter and hunter-killer missile.

Troops The Ciconians:
Ten-strong Tactical squad with flamer and heavy bolter.
Sergeant Mox has a power weapon and melta bombs.
The Ciconians ride in Quadriga, Rhino with extra armour, additional combi-bolter and hunter-killer missile.

Troops The Locrians:
Ten-strong Tactical squad with flamer and heavy bolter.
Sergeant Santiagon has a power weapon and melta bombs.
The Locrians ride in Odius, Rhino with extra armour, additional combi-bolter and hunter-killer missile.

Troops Speculatores:
Five-strong Scout squad. Three with combat blades, one with shotgun. Sergeant Telcion has plasma pistol and melta bombs. Squad has camo cloaks.

Fast Attack The Phocians:
Three-strong Chariot Squadron (count as Attack [jet]Bikes), each with multimelta. [Sergeant Apathos, brother Crassus, brother Abraxon]

Heavy Support Shield of Sinon:
Predator with autocannon, extra armour, havoc launcher, combi-bolter and hunter-killer missile.

Heavy Support Terra Aegis:
Predator with autocannon, extra armour, havoc launcher, combi-bolter and hunter-killer missile.

Heavy Support Calth's Teeth:
Predator with autocannon, extra armour, havoc launcher, combi-bolter and hunter-killer missile.

Fun, eh? Possible inclusions for the remaining 155pts are:
Vanguard assault squad Trajan (opportunity for white helmets and jumppacks)
A second Venerable dreadnought t/l lascannon, t/l autocannon, combi-bolter and havoc launcher.
Assault squad Numitor, in Rhino(!)
Command Squad Ingenuus (in which case Captain Orpheus will have artificer armour, and the squad will ride in a Rhino)
Five-strong Devastator squad with two multimeltas, in Rhino
Another techmarine + a Damocles Rhino for them to ride in (see below)

At the moment, I'm leaning towards the command squad (it bugs me that I can't put Orpehus in a transport without buying a Land Raider!) Thoughts?

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Speaking of the Damocles Rhino
1) Where can the rules be found?
2) Is it a dedicated transport, or bought in a force org slot?
3) If bought as a force org slot, where? HQ?
4) Does it have a transport capacity?
5) If not, is can anyone suggest a non-dedicated Rhino transport I can use to ferry my poor Techmarine/Captain around in?

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Notes:
I was really pleased with my brainwave for turning the jetbikes into Chariots (basically jetbike attack bikes). This approach lets me use underslung multimeltas for tank-hunting, and basically turns them into a visual cross between bikes and Land Speeders while fixing a big part of my missing anti-tank. Lovely!

I've whinged on about no Venerable dreads in a pre-heresy force, but I need to use up points and don't want my model to die! Thus, ol' Avulus is a Terran veteran (his name means 'Grandfather'), and an experienced dread pilot.

Lots of power weapons in my army for a change virtually every squad. Should make a nice change to my regular strategy as well as being a fully mounted army. Always wanted one of these, so pleased I'm finally biting the bullet!

Predators now carry combi-bolters (these will be modelled as co-axial with the autocannon) and havoc launchers (go-go Tempus Fugitives!) for even more anti-infantry goodness.

+++
And as an addendum, my 1,000pt Apocalypse expansion:

Primarch Roboute Guilliman

Legion Champion Nero Macleod (Legion Champion with digital lasers);

Tacitus Orar (Primarch honour guard);

Bearer of the Colours Macragge Samson Titus (Primarch honour guard with Legion banner);

Orbital Strike free Apocalypse strategem

Some other Apocalypse strategem/Land Raider

975pts(!)

+++
In other news, got a bit carried away with the bases order, so a few extra exciting things are coming my way!

synapse
17-10-2008, 11:10
WOW! not one anti tank heavy weapon! (i dont count multi meltas as anti tank :p)

apart from that (im guilty of the same thing with my army), its looking great - cant wait to see the terminator leader model and marneus calgar and his honour guard

Catferret
17-10-2008, 11:14
The Damokles Rhino appears in Imperial Armour 2 (the big Space Marine/Sisters of Battle book), it may also be in one of the smaller Imperial Armour supplements (the smaller codex-sized books) but I couldn't say for certain. I don't know the stats for it either I'm afraid.

As for the army, I'm of the opinion that if you take Dreadnoughts, you need more than one or they just get picked on and die. With 2 or more the opponent has to focus on one so the other has a better chance of survival.

synapse
17-10-2008, 11:16
you could use rules for an ironclad for a normal dread (that will also make sense considering the dread will be 'truescaled')

rrchristensen
19-10-2008, 03:39
You know that imitation is the basest form of flattery, yes? Well, you and Doghouse have inspired me to invest in 35 Assault on Black Reach terminators and two AOBR dreads. :-) Combined with what I already have, that'll make 50 marines or so. True-scaling here we come!

Apologist
23-10-2008, 17:45
Hey cats,
I've been working on these Ultramarines over the course of the day, and now I've got five completed, I thought I'd throw some piccies up.

I'm really happy with how the squad's looking, now they're all painted up to the best of my ability and mounted on nice resin bases (bought from Fenris Games and Heresy Miniatures).

Here're the Aepesians so far:
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/IMG_0576.jpg

...I've got some more close-ups of the marines on my photobucket account (http://s103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/), but here are my favourite bits:

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/IMG_0569.jpg
Brother Neosebius

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/IMG_0572.jpg
Brother Telyon

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/IMG_0566.jpg
Young Holion. This marine has a bit of a weird pose at the moment, but watch this space. I've had an idea drifting around my head that I'd like to see the Praetors of Calth's history advance. Holion is currently the youngest full battle brother in the Chapter, and he's got a date with destiny...

Kasrkin 666
23-10-2008, 17:54
:eek:........omfg....I'm in LOVE!!! Your truscale are AMAZING!!! Beyond that! I can't wait to see how Commanders look:evilgrin:. And do you have plans on making some Veterans?

-Sunny

Catferret
23-10-2008, 18:28
Great work on Holion's face. It looks aces.

I see Telyon has remembered to bring a packed lunch for the next trip. ;)

bp.
23-10-2008, 21:58
Best true scale unit i have seen to date, easily. The paint work makes them look even better, the shoulder pad details are excellent.

Brother Neosebius, i think has the best pose of the whole squad, tis an excellent firing pose.

I am liking young Holion, the detail on the face is good and his pose i think looks fine but i am intrigued to see what you have in store for him. :D

One thing i dont like though is the helmet Brother Telyon has. It looks nice but i just prefer your other helmet styles much MUCH more. :)

Fantastic overall though!

Dictator
23-10-2008, 21:59
That is just amazing. Subscribed!!!!! Amazing Amazing AmazinG!!@!@

synapse
23-10-2008, 22:13
is that a traffic cone on his base? lol also, where did you get his head from?

needless to say the painting is topnotch - it looks so simple but the end result is far better that anything id manage given twice the amount of time. sorry if this ahs been asked before, but could you give a rundown on the colours/techniques/stages used in the painting? any help would be much appreceated

Dictator
23-10-2008, 22:16
Looks like the Cadian Sgt with some GS hair

Catferret
23-10-2008, 23:06
Could also be the Chaos Terminator Lord with hair. It looks quite mean.

GrahamGilchrist
24-10-2008, 00:01
Wow. They turned out AWESOME.
I think I know what Holion will be doing, but I'll keep quiet until you release it!

Seriously, the simple-in-look yet advanced-in-technique paint job really brings out the quality of the modeelling. I like the way that each of them remains a character of his own yet still fits with the overall look.

How did you do the icon on Holions kneeepad? Is that painted or GS?

All round top notch work. You are really re-defining the level for true scale marines here. I can't wait to see the next five!

Gearux
24-10-2008, 01:39
Wow! Those are amazing! I am really excited to see the Techmarine as I've always liked that piece of art. Keep up the awesome work.

rrchristensen
24-10-2008, 01:58
goddammit those are bloody awesome!

Apologist
24-10-2008, 11:03
And do you have plans on making some Veterans?
Sort of... the Fugitives have provided some rules for Primarch Honour guard, so I've been musing on some ideas for four or so with various different sets of equipment - big round shields, brush helms, spears, axes... lots of fun ideas to play with, so I'm going to see how the planet concepts develop. I'm particularly keen to explore the slightly Scottish feel I get from Macragge: Roboute sounds much better in a Scottish burr! :D


I see Telyon has remembered to bring a packed lunch for the next trip. Hee! I've had a load of fun picking out all the little details I used to ignore, such as the rubbish on the base (you can't see it below, but there's a Coke can behind the chainfeed of the heavy bolter) and the heraldry.

Probably my favourite bit is the LED ammo counters I've added to the back of the bolters - these got mentioned in the Ain't Space Marines Brilliant? article when 3rd ed. got released, and I loved the idea but never got round to it before.


Brother Neosebius, i think has the best pose of the whole squad, tis an excellent firing pose.[

I am liking young Holion, the detail on the face is good and his pose i think looks fine but i am intrigued to see what you have in store for him.

Really pleased with how the poses worked on these, and now I'm a bit more confident about it, the next squad should look a bit more dynamic. Thanks for the comment on Holion's face - painting skin's always my favourite bit of the hobby. In retrospect, entirely armoured marines was a silly project for me! *Facepalm*


One thing i dont like though is the helmet Brother Telyon has. It looks nice but i just prefer your other helmet styles much MUCH more.
I've had quite a few comments on the Macragge-pattern helms. In short, I'd actually quite like to do the whole army like that - they're much, much easier to do than I'd initially thought!


is that a traffic cone on his base? lol also, where did you get his head from?
Yep - I really like the Fenris games bases: little recognisable details like the yellow road markings and traffic cones really add to the feel, I think. The head's actually just a bog-standard marine head from the tactical sprue (or p'raps the command sprue?) with some greenstuff hair. The angry look's just done by drawing the paint on at near-vertical angles from the brow to get a distressed expression.


needless to say the painting is topnotch - it looks so simple but the end result is far better that anything id manage given twice the amount of time. sorry if this ahs been asked before, but could you give a rundown on the colours/techniques/stages used in the painting? any help would be much appreceated
Lucky all my emotions got purged by the Rite of True Thought, or I'd be blushing. (Cheers!)

Quick paint scheme:
1) Prime grey
2) Basecoat Necron Abyss
3) Hold the model at desk height under a fairly strong direct light, and draw on stripes and spots of Mordian Blue where the highlights appear.

Tip: The trick is to keep the model still so the light stays in the same place. Makes painting the back awkward - you have to lean over!

4) Blend down from Mordian blue to Necron abyss, leaving the spots and stripes
5) Force the highlights with edge highlighting made of a 50:50 Bleached Bone and Mordian Blue mix.
6) Joints are painted with Adeptus Battlegrey and washed with Badab Black.
7) Paint the yellow areas with Scorched Brown
8) Repeat the source lighting (making sure to hold the model in the same place as before) with Bleached Bone.
9) Mix a 50:50 mix of Golden Yellow and Calthan Brown, then blend down to Scorched brown.
10) Edge highlight with Bleached Bone.
11) Edge highlight with Golden Yellow.
12) Paint backpack, boltgun workings etc. Chaos Black, then Boltgun Metal, then wash with Badab Black.
13) Paint skin as your normal recipe (mine is pointlessly complicated, so I won't try and summarise it here)
14) Detail!


Wow. They turned out AWESOME.
I think I know what Holion will be doing, but I'll keep quiet until you release it!
Cheers, cat. Seeing your tau, Chris' orks and the rest of the PCRC armies really pushed me on to up my game - so in a way, this army is your fault, curse you!:p


Seriously, the simple-in-look yet advanced-in-technique paint job really brings out the quality of the modeelling. I like the way that each of them remains a character of his own yet still fits with the overall look.How did you do the icon on Holions kneeepad? Is that painted or GS?
The kneepad was a bit of a last minute addition - I noticed that the Arius Techmarine picture had a wreathed skull, so thought that'd make a fun army badge for the Holon campaign. It's just painted on with a teeny-tiny brush (and a great deal of cursing when I accidentally paint over the whole thing with some weathering. It's happened twice so far)!


I am really excited to see the Techmarine as I've always liked that piece of art.
Yeah, I can't say enough good stuff about that particular piece, and the HH artbooks in general.

Update
I've got the next guy pretty much done (just the tactical markings to do), so I'll post up a piccy if Graham'll kindly let me borrow a camera...

Apologist
24-10-2008, 11:20
Not the next guy, but a coupla shots of extra views, thanks to Lucifer216 (go check out his Stars of Dorn log - awesome FW dread!)

Neosebius' Heraldry
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/IMG_0570.jpg
The diagonal stripe in blue marks him out as a native of Calth and a graduate of the Konor Maxima Academy, while the Ultramar symbol in the white shield reflects the personal motto Fortis et Honor, or 'Courage and Honour'.

Atlion's Heraldry
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/IMG_0567.jpg
A tripartite design with a single bold horizontal stripe denotes a native of Iax. The silver inverted omega traditionally represents Indomitable Strength, and the yellow and black patterned upper part is a common Iaxian design after a fierce native predator.

Telyon's Heraldry
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/IMG_0574.jpg
Again orginally from Calth, Telyon's diagonal stripe bears a decorative flourish in an artificer's hand. The lower part (red skull on white background) marks him out as a blood relative of a veteran in the Legion, while the brown and yellow chequering is a personal affectation.

Young Holion's Heraldry
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/IMG_0565.jpg
A native of the ocean-world of Talassar, Holion's pad bears three interesting notes: the Star of Destiny, reserved for the best Academy Graduate of the year; the white on blue Legion symbol, indicating humility and a sanguine nature; and the red and white chequers of the House of Rubr.

Apologist
24-10-2008, 11:54
And do you have plans on making some Veterans?
Sort of... the Fugitives have provided some rules for Primarch Honour guard, so I've been musing on some ideas for four or so with various different sets of equipment - big round shields, brush helms, spears, axes... lots of fun ideas to play with, so I'm going to see how the planet concepts develop. I'm particularly keen to explore the slightly Scottish feel I get from Macragge: Roboute sounds much better in a Scottish burr! :D


I see Telyon has remembered to bring a packed lunch for the next trip. Hee! I've had a load of fun picking out all the little details I used to ignore, such as the rubbish on the base (you can't see it below, but there's a Coke can behind the chainfeed of the heavy bolter) and the heraldry.

Probably my favourite bit is the LED ammo counters I've added to the back of the bolters - these got mentioned in the Ain't Space Marines Brilliant? article when 3rd ed. got released, and I loved the idea but never got round to it before.


Brother Neosebius, i think has the best pose of the whole squad, tis an excellent firing pose.[

I am liking young Holion, the detail on the face is good and his pose i think looks fine but i am intrigued to see what you have in store for him.

Really pleased with how the poses worked on these, and now I'm a bit more confident about it, the next squad should look a bit more dynamic. Thanks for the comment on Holion's face - painting skin's always my favourite bit of the hobby. In retrospect, entirely armoured marines was a silly project for me! *Facepalm*


One thing i dont like though is the helmet Brother Telyon has. It looks nice but i just prefer your other helmet styles much MUCH more.
I've had quite a few comments on the Macragge-pattern helms. In short, I'd actually quite like to do the whole army like that - they're much, much easier to do than I'd initially thought!


is that a traffic cone on his base? lol also, where did you get his head from?
Yep - I really like the Fenris games bases: little recognisable details like the yellow road markings and traffic cones really add to the feel, I think. The head's actually just a bog-standard marine head from the tactical sprue (or p'raps the command sprue?) with some greenstuff hair. The angry look's just done by drawing the paint on at near-vertical angles from the brow to get a distressed expression.


needless to say the painting is topnotch - it looks so simple but the end result is far better that anything id manage given twice the amount of time. sorry if this ahs been asked before, but could you give a rundown on the colours/techniques/stages used in the painting? any help would be much appreceated
Lucky all my emotions got purged by the Rite of True Thought, or I'd be blushing. (Cheers!)

Quick paint scheme:
1) Prime grey
2) Basecoat Necron Abyss
3) Hold the model at desk height under a fairly strong direct light, and draw on stripes and spots of Mordian Blue where the highlights appear.

Tip: The trick is to keep the model still so the light stays in the same place. Makes painting the back awkward - you have to lean over!

4) Blend down from Mordian blue to Necron abyss, leaving the spots and stripes
5) Force the highlights with edge highlighting made of a 50:50 Bleached Bone and Mordian Blue mix.
6) Joints are painted with Adeptus Battlegrey and washed with Badab Black.
7) Paint the yellow areas with Scorched Brown
8) Repeat the source lighting (making sure to hold the model in the same place as before) with Bleached Bone.
9) Mix a 50:50 mix of Golden Yellow and Calthan Brown, then blend down to Scorched brown.
10) Edge highlight with Bleached Bone.
11) Edge highlight with Golden Yellow.
12) Paint backpack, boltgun workings etc. Chaos Black, then Boltgun Metal, then wash with Badab Black.
13) Paint skin as your normal recipe (mine is pointlessly complicated, so I won't try and summarise it here)
14) Detail!


Wow. They turned out AWESOME.
I think I know what Holion will be doing, but I'll keep quiet until you release it!
Cheers, cat. Seeing your tau, Chris' orks and the rest of the PCRC armies really pushed me on to up my game - so in a way, this army is your fault, curse you!:p


Seriously, the simple-in-look yet advanced-in-technique paint job really brings out the quality of the modeelling. I like the way that each of them remains a character of his own yet still fits with the overall look.How did you do the icon on Holions kneeepad? Is that painted or GS?
The kneepad was a bit of a last minute addition - I noticed that the Arius Techmarine picture had a wreathed skull, so thought that'd make a fun army badge for the Holon campaign. It's just painted on with a teeny-tiny brush (and a great deal of cursing when I accidentally paint over the whole thing with some weathering. It's happened twice so far)!


I am really excited to see the Techmarine as I've always liked that piece of art.
Yeah, I can't say enough good stuff about that particular piece, and the HH artbooks in general.

Update
I've got the next guy pretty much done (just the tactical markings to do), so I'll post up a piccy if Graham'll kindly let me borrow a camera...

Bob Hunk
24-10-2008, 13:49
I just thought I'd drop by to feed the ego beast with a quick round of "we're not worthy, we're not worthy!" ;)

Seriously though, these are phenominal and I can't wait to get a better look in person! :D


Cheers, cat. Seeing your tau, Chris' orks and the rest of the PCRC armies really pushed me on to up my game - so in a way, this army is your fault, curse you!

That's kind, but compared to this my Orks are left in the dust by your Ultramarines. However, you have in turn inspired me to up my game (go-go PCRC arms race ;) ) with a new project of my own. Nothing is photoworthy yet, but it'll get its own log when the time comes...

Bit I digress. Again, well done on the amazing work, this will be one of the best armies ever when it is complete. :)

Vimes
24-10-2008, 14:01
These Marines are marvelous, absolutely insane.:eek:
My favourite is Telyon, advancing purposeful. Great.:)

You inspired me to make at least one truescale marine, just for the fun off, but then again...:p

Solun Decius
24-10-2008, 14:10
Dude, I've just come across this log now and it's crazy!
Very good conversions and alot of thought and effort you're putting into this. Both the helmet and head conversions are great and the shoulder pad freehands are off the charts.
I really like Holion ... although I really like almost all of them. Keep up this excellent work!
I'll keep an eye on this and read through the whole log soon.

mr gelmir
24-10-2008, 16:41
you, sir, are insane in the highest degree possible. posetive ofcourse.
very high detail, nice story behind them and awesome shoulder pads.
looking forward to the dread
greetz

Apologist
25-10-2008, 19:32
Hurrah! We have enlarged transportation:
Rhino, Spear of Iax
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/Image422.jpg

Next to a normal Rhino:
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/Image423.jpg

...and with marines next to 'em.
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/Image425.jpg

synapse
25-10-2008, 19:58
i like it a lot, especially the side hatch (you reall do like those bases :p)

though i think the tracks are too small.

EDIT: wtf is that guy sculpting behind the rhino? whatever it is looks tasty!

tcraigen
25-10-2008, 20:05
the thing looks wicked only thing that I find fault is the bends on the hand rails(the wire corners) Sorry it looks a little flimsy and un manchined like the rest. I love that you retro fit it rather than just enlarging the new style. I hope with the larger size you are more likely to add tank kit to it though. Are you going to rivet it? Doesn't need it it but could help conect it to the older styling more. I love where the search light is placed. The circle hatches are really nice, used spare bases I assume. Whats the back hatch look like? I think a small panent banner at the back would look good with this tank. Normally I don't like them but this for some reason I think could work. Is the thoughts of putting a dozer blade on it? If not Id mount a name plate in between the to tow hooks like the one in the bane blade kit. Can't wait to see it painted up to match its squad, but you'll need 5 more to ride in it. I might agree also about the thin tracks.

sigur
25-10-2008, 20:12
I still feel obliged to mention that I don't think that this whole "truescale" fad is something good or too interesting (and often not well done) but I like how you made use of the older Rhino design for this Rhino. The only problem is that the tracks are out of scale now.



EDIT: wtf is that guy sculpting behind the rhino? whatever it is looks tasty!

His log is on this very page of Sci-Fi Logs I think. It's called "somethingsomething scratchbuilt daemons" IIRC.

Aeolian
25-10-2008, 20:31
Truly amazing work.

nathanceulemans
25-10-2008, 20:54
You, good sir, make the good soul who invented the word "scale" proud. ^^ Beautiful work. I do have to second with tcraigen that the wire corners look a bit flimsy and out of place, can you make em 'buffer' somehow?

This army will make Space Marines actually look like the superhumans they are! IIRC You said you'd eventually make Roboute Guilliman, any idea how big he's going to be?

rickie8437
26-10-2008, 00:25
great log

love the conversion work 10/10 keep it up

Damented
26-10-2008, 00:47
truly exelent work all through
i imagined that pre-heresy ultras armour would look nearly the same
but yours look a lot better:D
subscribed to this log
looking forward to see more of that larger rhino of yours

dr.oetk3r
26-10-2008, 00:50
Nice rhino, needs wider tracks though.

rrchristensen
26-10-2008, 00:55
OMG an old-style Rhino!

Marry me! (one-time offer, void where prohibited, void if my missus finds out, etc.)

Alright, so maybe not :-) But I am in awe. Can't wait to get started on my own TS project (in about 3 weeks).

Do you have any WIP shots of the Rhino?

Oldguny
26-10-2008, 02:07
Are you going to make Termys?

Apologist
26-10-2008, 13:50
Brother Neophrast
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/Image427.jpg
A veteran of the Colchis Insurrection and the Klade campaigns, Neophrast is the oldest member of the Aepesians. His tactical knowledge spans from ice-world to desert plains, and he has been involved in the execution of twelve sentient species, consigning them to the dataslates of the Remembrancers.

Note the army badge on the left hip plate rather than the (more common) knee. The Wreathed Skull denotes the Pacification of Twelve-Forty Two, also known as Hypon.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/Image428.jpg
This shot shows Neophrast's personal heraldry.

Firefighter X
26-10-2008, 17:37
The level of detail, craftsmanship, imagination, and execution are just mind boggling. I was a huge fan of your Ad Mech blog, but this is just the Dog's Danglers. I'm speechless.


I do have a few questions for you Appy.

1. Do you have plans for Terminators?
2. Do you have plans for a Calgar-esque Force Commander + honor guard? [ Would be AWESOME to see some HG ]
3. Do you have ambitions for other armor? Whirlwinds, Razorbacks, Land Raiders, Drop Pods. If so, I'd love to see them biggie-sized too.

Most importantly, any chance of a tutorial & bits list on your Bullock style jetbikes [ PLEASE !!!! ]. I'm VERY interested in them for an upcoming army idea I've keeping hush hush until I get a GOOD digital camera to chronical my progress.

Thx,

FFX

CommisarGaunt
26-10-2008, 18:35
this is amazing very cool and u are skilled at modelling and painting

cyphersfallen
26-10-2008, 19:42
wow, what can i say, this stuff is cool, and has given me some inspiration for my army (standard size of course), would love to be able to model green stuff like that.
cant wait to see some more of them done.
just great work

srgt. gak
26-10-2008, 20:34
damnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn. nice looking

Apologist
26-10-2008, 21:23
The level of detail, craftsmanship, imagination, and execution are just mind boggling. I was a huge fan of your Ad Mech blog, but this is just the Dog's Danglers. I'm speechless.
Cheers!


1. Do you have plans for Terminators?
Uh... the short answer is 'no with a but', and the long answer is 'if I get carried away and build one, I'll make a squad'.


2. Do you have plans for a Calgar-esque Force Commander + honor guard?
Roboute Guilliman will be leading the 3,000pt army, and will be accompanied by Legion Champion Nero Macleod (Legion Champion with digital lasers); Tacitus Orar (Primarch honour guard) and Bearer of the Colours Macragge Samson Titus (Primarch honour guard with Legion banner).


3. Do you have ambitions for other armor? Whirlwinds, Razorbacks, Land Raiders, Drop Pods. If so, I'd love to see them biggie-sized too.
There'll be Predators, but these won't be enlarged like the Rhino. Might eventually do something else, but no current plans.


Most importantly, any chance of a tutorial & bits list on your Bullock style jetbikes [ PLEASE !!!! ].
Essentially, it's a scout bike - cut off the front forks, and use the mudguard thingies to sandwich two terminator torsos placed top to top... Probably not very clear, but I'll see if I can get some shots when I make the other two.

+++

Thanks to everyone for the comments and critique. It's been all go at the PCRC bunker (Dave's house) this weekend, so check out lucifer216's Stars of Dorn for his spiffy new sternguard and droppods, and Lord blood the hungry's cool Juggernaut daemon prince!
Here's what I've been working on for today:

Techmarine Arius
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/Image436.jpg
Bearing a Martian servoharness and an artificer-altered helm, this techmarine is advancing through the rubble of Berrirr, capital city of the Berringians.

Berrirr was later reinforced against an ork counter-insurgency. The Praetors of Calth had an unusual number of techmarines in their ranks, due to the preponderance in numbers of aspirants drawn from the technoclans of Calth.

Arius is a typical example of these mysterious warrior monks.

Based on this picture:
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0339.jpg http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/Image432.jpg
I'm pretty pleased with how he's come out!

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/Image438.jpg
Rear view

Deus Ruinus
27-10-2008, 00:57
this rino is awesome, however i think that guy sculpting in the background shouldnt be there, because whatever he is making...im likening his abomination!

Rhaivaen
27-10-2008, 01:54
Subscribed, and awesome :p

Catferret
27-10-2008, 03:46
Nice work Apologist. Good to see that claw was suitable. It'll be easier to make out the details with some paint on him, at the moment it's a mass of grey bits and I can't see much. ;)

Warforger
27-10-2008, 04:14
I still feel obliged to mention that I don't think that this whole "truescale" fad is something good or too interesting (and often not well done) but I like how you made use of the older Rhino design for this Rhino. The only problem is that the tracks are out of scale now.



His log is on this very page of Sci-Fi Logs I think. It's called "somethingsomething scratchbuilt daemons" IIRC.

Urr the guy has a White Dwarf shirt on,maybe of some importance....

Nice work, hope to see more of it

Cheers

Zachariah
27-10-2008, 05:20
OH MAN! Those guys are amazing. I really like that you emphasize that each marine is a hero worthy of the amount of attention you put into them (and the amount we all should be putting in). Gold star for you my friend.

Ganymene
27-10-2008, 09:51
That Techmarine is sweet! I think that the servo-harness is actually the most incredible part of the model, there are so many components without it looking too crowded.

Keep up the good work.

synapse
27-10-2008, 10:00
love the techmarine! good work on the helmet, and the cog looks like it was hard work to do - really looking forward to seeing this guy painte.

quick question: how much do you spend modelling/painting every day, and do you poaint the models individually or in batches? either way, how long do they take to get done. jus twondering as im thinking i take too long to paint compared to you

Apologist
27-10-2008, 11:23
Daemons? Don't be ridiculous, daemons don't exist...
A handy link to Lord Blood the Hungry's awesome daemon blog (http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=165252). :)

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love the techmarine! good work on the helmet, and the cog looks like it was hard work to do
Cheers! Ugh – don't talk to me about that cog: I broke three blades getting those internally bits out... :rolleyes:

As to the helmet, it's the first time I've tried ProCreate, and wow – that stuff is amazing! So much easier to use than GreenStuff, even on the first try. The only drawback I found was how quickly it cured, but that may well have been because I added too much hardener. I recommend it to all!


quick question: how much do you spend modelling/painting every day, and do you poaint the models individually or in batches? either way, how long do they take to get done. jus twondering as im thinking i take too long to paint compared to you
I don't really get much time to paint – mainly tuesdays when I'm not doing the pub quiz, and thursdays if I'm not going out... so most of my work gets done here and there. Of course, the PCRC gets together in Southampton about once a month, and a whole weekend gets set aside for some hardcore geeking, ranging from scratchbuilding Orcas, making forage hats for Blood Axe orks, to complete sculpts of daemons!

...all of which is to say that I generally only paint and model when I get the enthusiasm for it. My method's pretty slapdash in approach – do what grabs me, and then work on it 'til it's done. As a rough guide, if everything goes really well, I'll be able to paint a complete model including bases in around two hours. If it's not right, then three or so. Of course, it might be the case that I do three in a day, or one takes three weeks here and there!

In any case, I'm in awe of your stuff, cat – the idea you take too long on something's irrelevant if you get results like you do!

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I do have to second with tcraigen that the wire corners look a bit flimsy and out of place, can you make em 'buffer' somehow?
Yeah, I'm not that happy with how they look at the moment. I might just buy some covered wire for the others. This one will have to make do with some ProCreate over the gaps, I think.


This army will make Space Marines actually look like the superhumans they are! IIRC You said you'd eventually make Roboute Guilliman, any idea how big he's going to be?
Part of the attraction of Ultramarines for this project was simply that they're so unpopular – I've seen a couple of pre-heresy Ultras, but never a true-scale one – and I wanted to show that Ultramarines, like all Space Marines can be cool, bad-ass Star Knight killing machines, rather than goodie-goodies in baby blue. It also lets me satiate the inner fluff-junkie by interpreting all sorts of archaic hints from the Insignium Astartes and so forth.

A big part of this is making Guilliman, since (as far as I'm aware) no-one's done a model of him. Hell, I don't even know what sort of weapons he has, what he looks like etc., so there's a great deal of room for interpretation.

In short, I've got some vague ideas (he's going to be at least a head taller than his marines, and have a Roman-style sculpted chestplate... and possibly the original Axe of Ultramar), but a lot of the fun for me is going to be getting absorbed in being creative while I work. Any ideas I have that won't fit in with him will probably go onto his Honour Guard.

Speaking of which, what do you reckon to this guy?
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/Inspiration/sm-conart-300.jpg
Slight swap of helmet, and I think he'd make a great Orar.

synapse
27-10-2008, 11:44
As to the helmet, it's the first time I've tried ProCreate, and wow that stuff is amazing! So much easier to use than GreenStuff, even on the first try. The only drawback I found was how quickly it cured, but that may well have been because I added too much hardener. I recommend it to all!

how true, since i converted to funnily-named putty i havent looked back. its really good stuff and much easier to manipulate than GS too

CMDante
27-10-2008, 11:57
Great stuff, the squad is looking really nice, only one member whose pose looks a little awkward (guy aiming bolter) not sure what it is, I think maybe that the arms are so high it looks like he should be looking down the ironsights but he's not?

Love the personal heraldries too, adds a really characterful touch to, what can be a very uniform force where nobody stands out. You have avoided this well and every trooper is a character in their own right. The basing is great too and adds so much to the models.


Not sure about the pose on the techmarine guy, little boring but then you have faithfully recreated the artwork.

Not sure I agree about ProCreate, I have heard its easier to use but things always look a little bulbous and it doesn't seem to be great for forming sharp edges like brown/green mix is?

Cheers,

Dante

Jimbobjeff
27-10-2008, 12:16
This is the best marine army I've ever seen. If some of these dont find their way into golden daemon at some point then I will be a very sad panda.

malika
27-10-2008, 12:44
One thing I kind of notice. With all the attempts at realism we see here lately, making the Marines true scale, adding wear and tear from battles and making them look more true to the artwork/fluff there is one thing that seems to get forgotten: their gear. Where are all the pouches, grenades, extra ammo and so on?

Perhaps include some human servants or something who could carry that stuff! :D

Apologist
29-10-2008, 10:25
Thanks for the comments and critique, guys. Actually, my initial plan was to include loads of pouches etc. on this army, but I ran out! My explanation is that the additional stowage on the Aepesians is all held in the Rhino, but that's a bit of a cop-out, so rest assured that I have some plans for a transportless Recon squad, who'll have to carry their own kit!

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Sergeant Epipatros:
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0394.jpg
This pict-capture documents the execution of Dregsnaga Wortgutz, a relatively minor ork personality who had been placed in charge of the enslaved populace of Scythia, Hypon's third largest continent.

Epipatros is marked out as a sergeant by a number of details. Wreathed shoulder trims were a common marker of status at this time, and the Iron Halo honorific – a red skull – is shown as part of his tactical markings on his left shoulder pauldron and on his backpack.
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0395.jpg

He has also incorporated a red halo into his personal heraldry, which combines the blue and white of the Legion with the halo of Calth.
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0396.jpg

Proof of his Calthan heritage is drawn from his pure iron service stud (other worlds in Ultramar utilise other materials for such honorifics), and also the skull wreathed by the Wings of Ultramar (a winged inverted omega) on his chestplate.
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0397.jpg

I was really pleased with how the face came out, and I had a lot of fun with all the freehand work, particularly on the chest. If you look carefully, you'll note that it reads 'ULTRA' on the curve of the inverted omega on his chest.

[cont.]

Apologist
29-10-2008, 10:26
[cont.]
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Interestingly, he was the first model I made for this army. He was originally intended for my Mechanicus army, and thus he's a bit better documented than the rest:
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0296.jpg
[i]Pre-greenstuff assembly.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0305.jpg
Greenstuff added note the cabled abdomen and mark IV head at this point.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0309.jpg
Decided to have a go at a mark IV torso... which rather sparked the idea for a pre-Heresy force.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0329.jpg
A few head options decided the mark IV wasn't for this project yet...

[cont.]

Apologist
29-10-2008, 10:27
[cont].
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0340.jpg
...and assembled, with banner. This banner will be done eventually I want to be able to slot them in and out, so I'm going to have to do a little drilling as well as work out what I want to put on the banners!

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Three more to go, but here's a closer detail of his chest and face. I had fun painting his bald spot! How's the battle damage looking this time? I've incorporated half a dozen colours, but am still not sure on how it looks. Certainly improved, but I've got a way to go yet...
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0399.jpg

Three more marines and one Rhino to completion. What do you reckon to bases for tanks?

Jimbobjeff
29-10-2008, 10:37
I have a new respect for this army, I was so inspired I had a go and it turned out crap. How did you do the shoulderpads by the way? I tried termie ones and they look a bit off.

Rhaivaen
29-10-2008, 11:34
astonishing! :D

rrchristensen
29-10-2008, 11:48
Oh my goodness, a BALDING MARINE! Will this mad attention to detail never end? :-)

Awesome attention to detail. You, sir, are awesome.

Apologist
29-10-2008, 12:50
I have a new respect for this army, I was so inspired I had a go and it turned out crap. How did you do the shoulderpads by the way? I tried termie ones and they look a bit off.

Apologies for the brisk reply I'm in a bit of a rush. In short, I used terminator shoulderpads with strips of plasticard (though regular ol' cereal box card work work just as well) glued on to enlarge them and cover the shape.

crandall87
29-10-2008, 14:37
Your rhino is just amazing. Fantastic work.

Jimbobjeff
29-10-2008, 14:52
Great, thanks, I tried greenstuff, didn't end well.

Malditoduende
29-10-2008, 15:36
This log is awesome ..


the scale of the marines was incredible ...


i love this marines

Trukson
29-10-2008, 16:38
If you've any ideas for a specialist (I'm no military man!) or questions on the background, let me know. I really love making this stuff up really helps me with the modelling and painting, because it sparks ideas and inspiration. This guy started out as a recon marine, but I suddenly had some cool ideas for an old-school auspex, so he became a communications specialist. I figure marine equipment must have been a mix of fearsomely high-tech and primitive out on the fringes of the galaxy; and really love the combinations of ancient names and practises, near-future technology and complete science fiction that this lets me play around with.

As stated in other threads, i can only add my voice to the praise of your workings! You really bring the Marines to life and all those background stories really help to add to the feeling!

As an ex-military myself i think you are covering pretty much all "roles" usually found within squad-based formations, especially those that can easily be converted to Space Marines.
One role im missing is a squad-medic. This would give some nice modelling opportunities, perhaps based on Apothecary artwork/miniatures, but not using the rules for them. The Apothecary idea as a sort of "Company-doctor is cool, but most modern military units make sure they have at least one member of each squad with additional training in first aid.
Other common roles like Driver are perhaps harder to visualize on a model scale (especially since you are including Rhinos and youd assume the Drivers are actually drving!), but how about a Demolitions expert or a "mule" (you know those guys who seem to carry around tons of useless crap they dont really need for fighting but "you never know when you might need it")???

tcraigen
29-10-2008, 18:39
I think you should have some sort of tech-adapt like guy in a squad. Not someone recognized by those of mars. Just a guy whose kinda a gear head maybe? Plus I know they aren't actual roles but you should watch/ re-watch things like Dirty Dozen, Band of Brothers, We Were Soldiers, and Black Hawk Done just to name a few for "character" ideas. Like an overly religious character, a big lug, the comedian/layed back personality. You could have a sharp shooter. Or someone say who has been issued with they're gear more recently so its a little more advanced or in a different pattern. Heck you could even have a guy who is injured, like the Crimson fists cover on the old-old rule book where there were guys with face bandages and arms in slings. I would like to see a pathwalker kinda guy, you know the who in the group who is a little more adapt at recon and scouting then the rest. Anyways as always these look awesome and are inspiring me to do a unit of my own soon. They all look awesome I hope you try your hand at a small squad of scouts in the old school style.

Apologist
30-10-2008, 13:20
Cheers for the ideas, guys character 'tropes' like the mule, and ideas from movies are probably going to be more useful (and fun!) than real-world military stuff. Thanks!

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Talassar
The tempestuous ocean world of Talassar is a mass of vast seas. It has a single continent named Glaudor, which is ringed with rocky islands created by volcanic activity and reef formation.

Mean temperature is low, and even this meagre temperature is merely due to the level of precipitation and cloud activity stirred up by Talassar's eccentric day cycle that prevents the whole storm-tossed world from being blanketed by thick mists that would reflect much of the world's sunlight and plunge the planet into a permanent ice age.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/Inspiration/Untitled-15.jpg
orbital pict-capture of Talassar

Despite the planet's size (roughly three times the diameter of Ancient Terra), the population is relatively sparse. It has remained stable at approximately one and a quarter billion members for the duration of the Great Crusade, though the low technology base of the planet pre-discovery meant that the lost human settlers suffered acutely from internecine warfare and disease.

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Unification with the pale inhabitants of Glaudor proved fruitful, the denizens of the continent and dominant political groups welcoming their long-lost cousins. The eventual pacification of the planet required armed forces from Calth and Macragge to be deployed agains the recalcitrant and fierce island-hopping nomadic kin-grupps. Piratical raiders and corsairs have preyed on the island-folk since time immemorial, which has bred a stern and unremitting distrust of strangers.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/Inspiration/Untitled-4.jpg
Typical Talassarian complexion

Tall and with a high level of type II muscle fibres, Talassarians tend to be extremely pale. Albinism and flavistism is common, and Talassarians are almost universally blond/e and blue-eyed.

Vigorous, adaptable and intelligent, the kin-grupps proved an excellent recruitment base for the XIII legion during the Great Crusade, as life on Talassar is hard at best. Marines from Talassar are fierce, aggressive and have a high sense of personal ownership. Couple with these traits are comradeship, protectiveness and a warm (if irreverent) sense of humour. Commonly impressed by brutal appearances (Talassarians have a long and proud artistic history), Mark III armour is popular amongst such Astartes.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/Inspiration/Untitled-10copy.jpg
Mark III Armorum Ferrum helm, with gold devotional banding.

A low technology base coupled with arguing political groups has hampered Glaudor's development, but Guilliman is happy with this state of affairs for the moment, as such conditions breeds tough and dependable marines and a strong Planetary Defence Force.

Boss_Salvage
02-11-2008, 21:29
And the excellence continues! Great stuff Appy, keep it up. Big rhino is nicely faithful to the tiny baby rhino we all have to deal with (:(), and the techmarine is lovely. Just one thing on him, the lamp post is NOT part of the servo harness, right? I ask because it so heavily obscured said harness that I was getting confused where things fit in. Personally I would have left him with a 'lower' base, so all the work done on his harness and upperbody would be totally visible.

- Salvage

Tiller5
02-11-2008, 23:19
Apologist, I adore these marines you've gone and made, they're just so darned cool! You have inspired a fellow southerner to make some true-scale marines of his own, despite his poor skills in green-stuffing! Cheers!

Apologist
03-11-2008, 09:17
Just one thing on him, the lamp post is NOT part of the servo harness, right? I ask because it so heavily obscured said harness that I was getting confused where things fit in. Personally I would have left him with a 'lower' base, so all the work done on his harness and upperbody would be totally visible.

Practicalities, I'm afraid! The servo harness is pretty fragile, and since he needs to be transported around for six games in two days (going in and out of foam), I thought the lamppost will help to protect him if he goes over, the post will bounce rather than his harness exploding into a million tiny pieces!

It'll also let me match (or at least attempt to match!) the lighting in the original artwork, with the bright light from behind semi-silhouetting him.

Boss_Salvage
07-11-2008, 22:50
...

Ok, that makes a whole lot of sense past any aesthetic pish-posh from me. Exploding servo harness = lose :(

Annnnnnd the OSL justification is rock solid too ;)

- Salvage

precinctomega
08-11-2008, 09:36
Great plog. I've been looking at some old plastic Terminators, wondering what to do with them and idly pondering some Truescale marines. You've decided the matter for me.

R.

Doublethink
08-11-2008, 16:04
Beautiful stuff, as usual! :D
I'm a great fan of the Techmarine, and the lamp post just creeps me out in a good way; I can just imagine the techmarine moving through the night to section off some power generator before the troops move in.
The only thing is that the Rhino tracks are a bit small... Perhaps a grav-rhino, like in the Horus Heresy artbook, would remedy that? I've seen extended tracks done with some thick striated medical bandage, but I'm not too sure how good that would look.
Anyways, keep it up, I want to see more!

bp.
08-11-2008, 17:05
Wow i have been away from the PC for a while and just checked back on this thread, absolutely fantastic work going on here, the painting on the shoulder pads is just brillant.

The true scale rhino is an absolute inspiriation to me as i am making a true scale Space Marine Company myself for my DIY chapter, and your rhino has given me some excellent ideas!

Apologist
12-11-2008, 09:26
WIP Brother Cerberon
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0400.jpg
Adjusting the iron sights on his boltgun, the segmented hoops of Mark II Crusade armour are clear to see. Devoid of decoration except for a simple Legion symbol, Cerberon is a good example of a stalwart Ultramarine.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0401.jpg
Partially obscured by battle damage, Cerberon's heraldry depicts an inverted Omega with three red dots, symbolising the Three Planets: Quintarn, Tarentus and Masali. Records have been partially lost for Cerberon's heritage, but a tentative supposition of Tarentian heritage can be made due to the red upper part of the omega.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0402.jpg
Additional hosing and a third heat sink made the Triple Mark (as the backpacks produced in the Tarentian manufactories became known) a rugged and reliable (if ugly) piece of equipment.

It's amazing what a difference a nice base makes!

Trukson
12-11-2008, 09:54
As always Apologist, i bow to your excellence! Those short stories really brings the marines to life, and both the conversion work and painting are top notch!!!!

Apologist
12-11-2008, 10:11
Scout Squad WIP
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0407.jpg
Scout squads were a fairly rare sight during the Hypon campaign, as much of the fighting was done across zero-G airless planetoids, or other extremely exotic and hazardous environments.
While this would seem standard fare for 41st Millennium scout troops, in the times of the Legions such duties fell to Recon squads – full marines with power armour; while scout squads were used in a much more disruptive and direct fashion, being dropped behind enemy lines to provide intelligence, cartographic details and to sabotage.

This scout squad is fairly typically armed with bolt pistols and combat blades. One member (rear left) carries a shotgun – this versatile weapon may not have the stopping power or terror-effects of a bolt weapon, but it can be quickly adapted for supression, capture or simple non-fatal wounding: ideal for subduing enemy troops or civilians for interrogation.

Scout squads are made up of marine aspirants who have received some of the additional implants that make a marine. All of the neophytes will have received all the additional organs up to and including the Lyman's Ear (and thus lacking the oolitic kidney, sus-an membrance and so forth), and some may have received everything save the Black Carapace; being Space Marines in all but this vital interface.

All Scout squads are led by an experienced full marine sergeant (rear right), who will concentrate on keeping his charges alive. Of course, this doesn't mean that scout squads are kept from the fighting – on the contrary, one of the sergeant's main tasks is to keep a tight leash on the teenaged and battlehungry scouts, who are invariable eager to prove their worth on the battlefield. Scout sergeants are hard-bitten veterans with decades (if not centuries) of experience. Some volunteer for scout duty through natural inclination (scout work is difficult, isolated and hard) or by virtue of their initiative: a vital resource to pass on and inspire future Ultramarines.

In times of war, the Scout companies are a great deal more fluid than the other units in the XIII Legion, and a great pool of neophytes exist from which any Chapter can draw. Scout squads are thus not fixed, and the sergeant may assemble a squad from any of the scouts' barracks; or even 'cherry-pick' the scouts he feels need additional training – or simply an opportunity to show their mettle.

Scouts typically remain in their squad casualties open a space in the reserve companies; at which point the Sergeant of the squad and his Captain will confer with the Master of Recruits and select a replacement. This is a time-consuming ritual, and the scout will be expected to out-do his full marine brethren if he expects the respect of his bereaved peers.

Occasionally, entire groups of scouts have a complete suite of implants; which is far too precious a resource to remain out of power armour. The Master of Recruits may recommend that a new squad be formed from these scouts. A squad leader and sergeant will be drawn from an existing squad, and will begin to lead this new troops, creating a squads with a new history and identity that may one day match such peerless units as the Halizonians, Dardans or Phocians.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0408.jpg
This shot shows the distinctive shaven-sided haircut of the Triple System shared by two neophytes and the veteran sergeant. The hairstyle is practical and traditional amongst warriors of the Triple System – particularly those drawn from Masali. Like all of the Legions, traditions and minor superstitions are treated benevolently (though not encouraged) by superior officers all the way up to the Primarchs.

Being practical and comfortable even under a helmet, the haircut even became standard-issue for marines in the nineteenth Chapter (the White Consuls) units following the Barban Offensive.

I really liked the old metal scouts with puffy sleeves and mohawks, so I wanted to put in a little tribute to those cool old models, and give a fun explanation for why marines would have such kickin' 80s stylin'!

I'm pleased with how they've come out so far, and I'm looking forward to tackling some proper camo patterns on these guys. It'll give me a break from the regular marines, and hopefully keep my enthusiasm up for the next squad after the Apaesians.

Current plan:
1) Paint the scouts
2) Paint the Rhino
3) Assemble and paint two more marines for the Apaesians (the reasons will become clear!)
4) Finish Young Holion's base (forgot to spray the blasted extra bit!)
5) Paint the Techmarine
6) Begin modelling the Locrians (already got three well on their way!) and their ride, Odius.
7) Get stuck in to Roboute Guilliman.

precinctomega
12-11-2008, 10:28
Those legs are from Infinity miniatures, aren't they? Or are they AT-43?

R.

Apologist
12-11-2008, 11:05
Hey Precinct Omega – your arbites and the 54mm Dark Angel project really got my creative juices flowing, so glad to hear that I've been able to return the favour!


are they AT-43?
Yep – AT-43 Steel Troopers. You can pick 'em up dirt cheap since they come in the main box. On a bit of a tangent, AT-43's a great game. My gaming group toyed around with it, and I really, really enjoyed it.

Of course, one big factor in us returning to 40k is the fact that it's expensive to create a whole new army, and also the fact we love the background of 40k so much. To that end, I've been working on a hybrid:

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/AT-40k/SMTac.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/AT-40k/ORSlug.jpg

*Images used without permission – please don't distribute!

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Now, a bit of a question.
Camo
The Tempus Fugitives have updated their rulespack with rules for a Recon sergeant. This is too good an opportunity to miss, so I've drawn a couple of marines out of the Apaesians, and remodelled them to remove the aerials, scanners etc.

I always think that ideas like this work better concentrated in one place as opposed to being spread across the whole force, so I'll refine the earlier ideas and create a dedicated recon squad.

Luckily, that means I can go really over the top! Can anyone suggest a cool camouflage scheme to go with the Scouts? I'm figuring a brown, red and cream scheme would look good alongside the blue armour. Pics would be appreciated – and if you can find any really cool marines in camo armour, I might well yoink that idea... :)

DeathCat147
12-11-2008, 11:20
Im really liking what you've done so far with these guys, an absolute inspiration! Its given me the proverbial kick up the backside to get on with my Knights of Dracaena. And the back ground detail is marvellous.

Lord Cook
12-11-2008, 16:48
I continue to be impressed.

bp.
13-11-2008, 01:14
Brilliant, quite Brilliant.

Scrap-miester
13-11-2008, 04:10
I'm a fan of AT-43 too. I really like the color scheme man, its a good combo.

-Eric

MIGHTYPanhead
13-11-2008, 07:51
Can anyone suggest a cool camouflage scheme to go with the Scouts?

Although it might not be what you're looking for, I think that something like this (http://www.emlra.org/images/photos/Berlin_Brigade_Chieftain.jpg) would be a good match of the blue armour and cityfighting nature of the force

Good job on the marines so far. I'm a big fan of the personalization you're giving each trooper :)

Trukson
13-11-2008, 08:50
Can anyone suggest a cool camouflage scheme to go with the Scouts? I'm figuring a brown, red and cream scheme would look good alongside the blue armour. Pics would be appreciated and if you can find any really cool marines in camo armour, I might well yoink that idea... :)

Camouflaged Power armour rarely turns out good, but for your scouts you might wanna try out the U.S "Red Brick" Camouflage:
http://images.channeladvisor.com/Sell/SSProfiles/22001188/Images/5/BDU-RedCamo.jpg
The bright contrasts between blue, red, black and white will really blur up the models without making them look "dull" or "unpainted" like miniatures often do if you paint a too realistic camouflage

Apologist
13-11-2008, 10:24
More work in progress. These two used to be the flamer specialist and the comms specialist, but I've reconsidered the organisation of the squads.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0405.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0406.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0403.jpg
Note the mark II boltgun. I figured this was a good opportunity to update the boltgun. Looks alright with the new magazine and sling, eh?

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0404.jpg

Essentially, I wasn't too happy about the mismatch of helmet types in the squads. I don't mind one or two different ones, but I thought that since I really want quite a few bare heads, it was all looking a bit too mongrel.

Thus, I'm taking these two out, and they'll be part of another squad. I'll replace them with two more with the Macragge pattern helms.

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Looking at these guys, I really love the slings! Might have to reap a few more from my kroot.

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Thanks for the camo ideas. Both are lovely; but I particularly like that one with the red in that'll really pop against the deep blue.

tcraigen
13-11-2008, 19:59
The old school bolter and new ammo clip looks great, it works perfectly as a mk that bridged the gap of the old and new. I am totally going to steal that for a couple of my guys. the croot straps are great I wish that they gave marines them more often makes the bolter look very high end.

Shield And Key
13-11-2008, 20:13
love the individualized heraldry...i'm actually working on a similar idea with my marines

Apologist
14-11-2008, 15:26
The Vae Victus
With the outlying asteroids subdued, listening posts silenced and three worlds brought to compliace, the Praetors of Calth pushed in-system in a direct challenge to the orks. Unable to detect the ork fleet through a system-wide jamming, Orpheus hoped to force the system into compliance by decapitating the ork leadership – literally!

The Chapter Master adopted a complex five-point assault on the orks: a holding force led by Tactitus Orar would secure the compliant worlds Walsh and Buckley's Folly from counter-strikes; while Lieutenant Avulus led a company of Ultramarines and supporting units from the Calth Expeditionary Force in a strike against Gulskar to draw out the orks' piquet line, and encourage the ork warlord to centralise his fleet in an invasion force. In essence, Orpheus planned to trick the orks into thinking the Marines had finally grouped together and landed somewhere they could be brought to battle.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/Inspiration/Hyponsystem.jpg

Once the ork fleet was pulled away from Hypon, the the Battle Barge Pro Merito would lead the fleet into a space battle with the enemy, while the Strike Cruiser Vae Victus and the Frigate Courageous Blow would emerge from the shielding of the Maganellic disturbance corewards of the system. This force would drop a small force onto Hypon itself, then push on to Gulskar where Orpheus and the bulk of the Praetors would engage the depleted orks in a groundwar; crushing the battlehungry beasts on the anvil of Avulus' dug-in brethren.

Orpheus' plan rested on the marines deployed on Hypon rupturing the atomic stack that was clouding the Imperial fleet's sensors, allowing the vastly superior Ultramarines fleet to finally detect, engage and destroy the ork ships.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/Inspiration/Untitled-1copy-1.jpg
This pict-capture shows the detonation of the atomic stack, captured on Recon Sergeant Telcion's helm-log.

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Unfortunately, intelligence had underestimated the size of the ork groundforce, and Lieutenant Avulus' position was in danger of being overrun days before Orpheus' force would arrive. In desperation, Orpheus deployed a strike force onto the Vae Victis and undertook an in-system warp jump to Gulskar. Deploying directly into battle via Stormbird, Orpheus depleted force harried the ork lines from behind, successfully splitting the ork front in two – an event that allowed the bulk of the Praetors a vital entrance when they deployed thirty-eight hours later.

The ork force was crushed between the three forces, though Avulus' command was reduced to a mere twelve marines – and the Lieutenant himself was interred in the Dreadnought suit Gloriam Est following the battle.

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With the death of Warboss Wortsnaga Grimshank at Orpheus' hands, ork resistance crumbled. Their armies were in disarray across the system, and proved easy pickings for the Calthan Army regulars and Ultramarines.

Still, the ork armada remained a sizeable threat, and the capable admiral Skabzod was putting up a decent fight, launching punishing salvoes against the 12th Expeditionary fleet that tore apart the Frigates Star of Iax and a number of escorts.

At the height of the battle, the Vae Victus, still undermanned and underpowered from the strain of the in-system warp translation, powered in close and launched a point-blank torpedo spread that buckled and finally crippled the ork's flagship, the Snarling Toof.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/Inspiration/sm_space_marine_strike_cruiser.jpg
Artwork by Andy Walsh; used without permission. But ain't it cool?

This final strike finished the ork's willingness for the engagement, and dealth a fatal blow to orkoid rule in the Hypon system. Systemwide clearance would take a further three months, but this two-week battle is the shining light in the Praetor's drive for system-wide compliance; and was later enshrined in the Codex: Astartes.

HK-47
14-11-2008, 16:34
Wow that is totally f-ing awesome, I been following this and your Ad mech. log for a while now, and I got to say that they both just keep getting better.

Apologist
19-11-2008, 09:17
Finally – a full squad!
This isn't actually the ten-man Apaesians, as two of the marines will be moving on to another squad; but I was so pleased with how they looked on the table that I wanted to get a squad shot:

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0419.jpg

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Cassie, refugee
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0410.jpg
The Hypon campaign was hard-fought, and in bringing the enslaved worlds to compliance, the Twelfth expedition found humans willing to fight with and against them. Against this backdrop of war, many hundreds of thousands of civilians were displaced or even fired upon. Cassandra Clynna Rhodes was a typical inhabitant of the city Hubris on Hypon Inferior, a city largely destroyed by Resistance artillery over the course of a month.

Firefights raged between the Calthan regiments of the Imperial Army and the Ork-funded Hypon Inf. Resistance in the ruins, and thousands of families were herded back to Imperial lines. The Rhodes family were unfortunate enough to be hemmed into the park districts when the ork counter-assault came, and all but Cassie were killed. It took a strikeforce of Astartes to break the deadlock – and Young Holion was honoured by his daring rescue of the sole survivor; ensuring her survival and return to the Remembrancer Lucion Stilldon for care.

Hopefully Holion's weird pose now makes sense – herding this cool little sculpt behind him for protection. In making the Ultramarines, I was a bit stuck for how to characterise them – Average Space Marine isn't exactly an image that sticks in your mind. Aggressive chapters like the Blood Angels and World Eaters look great with angry action poses like throttling people, but more 'humane' chapters like the Salamanders and Ultramarines are tough to come up with poses that look cool but also say something about them.

I was really struggling and then thought 'What's more heroic than saving a little orphan from danger?', which is where this idea came from. Anyway, I really wanted to use this sculpt (from Hasslefree) somewhere. Hope you like how it's turned out – I do! Keep an eye out for Cassie in the later campaigns – I think you'll like the little story arc from orphan to Remembrancer I've got in the back of my head, which should help me work out how the Remembrancers interacted with the Crusade.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0409.jpg
Close-up – I was pleased with how her face turned out: more curious about the battle than frightened, but still looking a bit nervous!

Apologist
19-11-2008, 09:29
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Anyway, enough tiny people; more giant ones!
Brother Iophilus of the Ciconians
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0413-1.jpg
Armed with the indefaticable Mark I boltgun and equipped with Mark III Ferrum armour powered by the bulky Terran Mark I backpack, Iophilus cuts a striking figure, typical of the courageous and aggressive Ciconians.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0412.jpg
A Talassarian, Iophilus honours Guilliman with the red and white section of his heraldry, held above all; Calth with the Blue and Black section, at the rear of his armour as a symbol of protection; and Talassar with the Blue and White section, held forward with pride.

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Brother Myrmion of the Ciconians
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0415.jpg
A Calthan, Myrmion is highly honoured and traditional, preferring to augment his Crusade armour than swap to one of the newer patterns. Such minor superstitions are common and indulged or at least overlooked by superiors.

Note the shield honorific with silver half-wreathed Legion symbol, indicative of assumed command of allied forces in battle. Marines are often called upon to lead human troops due to casualty or for special missions, and the silver half-wreath implies a successful and casualty-free completion.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0416.jpg
Full of bonhomie, Myrmion is well-liked by his brethren. Typical of Myrmion's good humour is his heraldry a red Legion symbol surmounted by an M. In the Ultramarines' heraldry, an M typically refers to the thousand brethren of the Astartes' Chapter; but in Myrmion's case it is more likely to be a reference to his name!

Astartes are not above pride, but Myrmion has tempered his joke by making sure the M does not overbear the Legion symbol; instead adopting a humble asymmetry and wearing the legend Calth above all as a final symbol of his courage and honour above pride.

Trukson
19-11-2008, 09:53
Awesome as always!

Only thing i reacted to is that the girl is looking pretty big in relevance to your truescaled boys, with relevance being the key word ;0) The first impression is "small girl with dolly" (like a 6-year old or so)....but looking closely at her, theres something about her that gives a more adolescent appearance. She is almost as big as i would imagine a "full-grown" human would be next to a Space Marine, which makes me rather put her in her early teens and then it kinda destroys the "doll" imagery....but hey, this is me nit-picking about stuff and more Hasslefrees fault than yours ;0)

malika
19-11-2008, 09:58
I love to see you model an adult version of her (Rememberancer right?)

Lucifer216
19-11-2008, 11:12
Tis ******* brilliant. Now all we need is a game versus Synapse's World Eaters. That would really give Cassie something to worry about!

GrahamGilchrist
19-11-2008, 12:10
Wow!
This project just keeps on getting better and better! They are looking great as a full squad.

I have to disagree with a previous poster regarding the size of the civilian. I imagine (and seem to recall reading somewhere) that the top of a tall human's head would come about in line with the neck of a marine. Thus to me she seems perfectly sized for an adolescent.

More! more!

Lord Caldera
19-11-2008, 16:11
Great work again! I love the little girl, she really adds character to the force, and you just don't see that kindness in the grimndark future.

Bob Hunk
19-11-2008, 17:05
Awestruck as ever Apologist! :o Young Holion is cool and the Apaesians look amazing in their group shot. Can we have a closer look at the battle brother with the muzzle flash please? :)

Trukson
19-11-2008, 17:57
Wow!
I have to disagree with a previous poster regarding the size of the civilian. I imagine (and seem to recall reading somewhere) that the top of a tall human's head would come about in line with the neck of a marine. Thus to me she seems perfectly sized for an adolescent.


Woops, im sorry if thats what came out of my scribbling. What i meant to say is that it is something about the model itself that is freaking me out. First impression is "little girl with doll" but at a closer look i would say shes an adolescent just like you stated.....and it just looks wrong....i would probably deem her deamon-infested and give her the emperors mercy instead of saving her ass ;0)

Rhaivaen
19-11-2008, 18:49
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Cassie, refugee
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0410.jpg
The Hypon campaign was hard-fought, and in bringing the enslaved worlds to compliance, the Twelfth expedition found humans willing to fight with and against them. Against this backdrop of war, many hundreds of thousands of civilians were displaced or even fired upon. Cassandra Clynna Rhodes was a typical inhabitant of the city Hubris on Hypon Inferior, a city largely destroyed by Resistance artillery over the course of a month.

Firefights raged between the Calthan regiments of the Imperial Army and the Ork-funded Hypon Inf. Resistance in the ruins, and thousands of families were herded back to Imperial lines. The Rhodes family were unfortunate enough to be hemmed into the park districts when the ork counter-assault came, and all but Cassie were killed. It took a strikeforce of Astartes to break the deadlock and Young Holion was honoured by his daring rescue of the sole survivor; ensuring her survival and return to the Remembrancer Lucion Stilldon for care.

Hopefully Holion's weird pose now makes sense herding this cool little sculpt behind him for protection. In making the Ultramarines, I was a bit stuck for how to characterise them Average Space Marine isn't exactly an image that sticks in your mind. Aggressive chapters like the Blood Angels and World Eaters look great with angry action poses like throttling people, but more 'humane' chapters like the Salamanders and Ultramarines are tough to come up with poses that look cool but also say something about them.

I was really struggling and then thought 'What's more heroic than saving a little orphan from danger?', which is where this idea came from. Anyway, I really wanted to use this sculpt (from Hasslefree) somewhere. Hope you like how it's turned out I do! Keep an eye out for Cassie in the later campaigns I think you'll like the little story arc from orphan to Remembrancer I've got in the back of my head, which should help me work out how the Remembrancers interacted with the Crusade.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0409.jpg
Close-up I was pleased with how her face turned out: more curious about the battle than frightened, but still looking a bit nervous!

DOINK :rolleyes: :D wauwie, amazing!

Khrangar
19-11-2008, 19:05
Cassie looks good, as do all the Marines. Will there be a Remembrancer model of her when she grows up?

Khrangar

Dictator
19-11-2008, 21:19
These PH ultramarines are beautiful. Such character. And the remembrancer girl thing is just brilliant. I request a grown up model of her!

AtmanAbecedarian
19-11-2008, 21:29
"Eyegasm" comes to mind.
I'm watchin this thread.

tcraigen
20-11-2008, 02:33
very nice addition to the base, creates an amazingly scenic base for the team. Everything will naturally end up centering on that as its a major grounding point for ones eye. Good work on the shoulder pads as well, always interesting to see the next batch of personal patterns.

Rangatank
20-11-2008, 08:15
Get that rhino done up man. Great work so far

Apologist
20-11-2008, 09:14
Thanks all!
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Cassie

The first impression is "small girl with dolly" (like a 6-year old or so)....but looking closely at her, theres something about her that gives a more adolescent appearance.
I think she's supposed to be about nine/ten/eleven: definitely based on Newt from Aliens. I'm a bit rubbish at guessing people's ages (though I ought to get better – I'm expecting a nephew in March!), so I'm going to have to guess that Cassie's simply clutching a precious childhood toy. Maybe the inhabitants of Hypon Inferior are a bit childlike. :p

I'll have to get another scale piccie done with Young Holion and one of my Calthan regulars (whoops – haven't told you about them yet, have I?) to show her height, but she really is a tiny, tiny model!


Will there be a Remembrancer model of her when she grows up?
Yep, but you'll have to wait for September, when the Horus Heresy begins and Calth gets invaded...

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WIP Scout Veteran Sergeant
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/Inspiration/IaxianComplexion.jpg
Trying out some Iaxian skin, along with a disruption pattern camo. Quite pleased with how they've worked.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/Inspiration/Calthcamo.jpg

Some WIP heraldry, too.
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/heraldry.jpg

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I've just got a warning from Photobucket that I'm about to exceed my bandwidth, so apologies if you can't see these. Rest assured that techpriests are reciting Martian Trinary hymnals at a high pace!

Apologist
20-11-2008, 09:15
Awestruck as ever Apologist! :o Young Holion is cool and the Apaesians look amazing in their group shot. Can we have a closer look at the battle brother with the muzzle flash please? :)

Ta-da! Brother Neosebius, firing:
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Cpl_Saint/Ultramarines/DSCN0418.jpg

bp.
20-11-2008, 14:30
Brother Neosebius as i already have stated before i think is in the best pose of all your Space Marines so far, but with the fire effect he looks even better! :)

GrahamGilchrist
20-11-2008, 14:33
lol that sergeant is grain-o-matic (needs more photo light!) but from what I can tell he looks awesome!

PirateRobotNinjaofDeath
20-11-2008, 22:38
Loving the conversions, the paintjob, and the scheme. Never thought I would be so in love with a smurf army :p

Not so in love with your camera though. We need some good pictures to admire this amazing work man! A few of these look like they were taken with a cell phone camera :(

Dictator
20-11-2008, 23:39
Wow, the scout sgt is looking gorgeous. Gotta love the cinematic effects on the Tactical marine too!

Apologist
21-11-2008, 09:23
Not so in love with your camera though. We need some good pictures to admire this amazing work man! A few of these look like they were taken with a cell phone camera :(

Yeah, the light's really crappy in my room, so I use a daylight lamp; unfortunately, that causes weird double-shadows and screws up the colours...

In short, I can probably get some better photos, but only at weekends otherwise, I'm at work and have to get shots at seven in the morning, which gives the crappy effects.

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I've run into a bit of a quandry regarding the scouts' right shoulder pads. On the other marines, these contain the Legion symbol with the squad number in it; the Chapter number to the left (15, usually), and the squad designation (e.g. tactical arrow) on the right.

Since the scouts aren't part of the 15th Chapter (being a pool for the whole legion), haven't got permanent squad designations, and I can't remember the symbol for scout squads... what the hell should go there?

AtmanAbecedarian
21-11-2008, 17:00
Crosshairs!
Maybe not the fluffiest of designs but it has a degree of appropriateness.

Magos Explorator
21-11-2008, 17:32
I thought the graininess of the Scout photos was intentional, as if it were footage taken on the battlefield or something.

IncrediSteve
21-11-2008, 17:43
As far as I know, scouts just have a squad number on the right side. This is the way the 'Eavy Metal Team has them painted on page 118 of the new codex [white circle with a roman numeral]. I don't think they would have a tactical symbol on their right, especially not with the re-write now saying initiates start in the 9th Reserve [Devastator] Company. Insignium Astartes might have more, but squad number seems most likely.