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schoon
22-04-2005, 01:50
I thought I recalled a thread on this in the past, but Searchy didn't turn it up.

The question is: what are all the know branches of the Imperial Adeptus.

Off the top of my head, I know of: Adeptus Astartes Adeptus Ministorum Adeptus Mechanicus Adeptus Arbites Adeptus Astra Telepathica Adeptus Astronomica Adeptus Custodes Officio Assassinorum (is this part of a bigger one?)What are we still missing?

DantesInferno
22-04-2005, 01:55
You missed probably the most important organisation in the Imperium, the Adeptus Administratum - the galactic bureaucracy.

Also the Adeptus Terra - the Priesthood of Earth, which I think is a kind of catch-all for all Imperial servants on Terra.

And the Adeptus Sororitas (or Adepta, if you want to be more grammatically accurate).

Minister
22-04-2005, 08:50
The Departmento Munitorium, the branch of the Administratum which controlls the Guard and provides both support and strategic command staff.
The Adeptus Astra Telepathica, which provides and regulates psykers.
The Adeptus Astronomica, which I'm sure you can guess.

schoon
22-04-2005, 18:35
OK, looks as if I hadn't missed to many (not bad from memory) - does anyone know offhand to which Adeptus the Officio Assassinorum belongs?

Morgan Keyes
22-04-2005, 18:54
OK, looks as if I hadn't missed to many (not bad from memory) - does anyone know offhand to which Adeptus the Officio Assassinorum belongs?

By the Codex: Assassins the Officio Assassinorum answers directly to the High Lords of Terra.

Hideous Loon
22-04-2005, 23:46
But then they're not part of any Adeptus, and thus are irrelevant för this discussion. Put down the assassins. You have five seconds to comply.

Btw, where do the Inquisiton come in, since I cannot make them fit in anywhere. Guess i've gotta go off scanning the rulebook.

Minister
23-04-2005, 02:27
The Inquisition chain of command goes Emperor > Grand Master of the Inquisition, although they will generally take advice and/or requests from others. In theory, their power is unlimited. However, it's the kind of unlimited power one should not try to press unless there is a real need, as forcing things for the hell of it will destablise the Imperial power structure.

Of course, there are some ultra-radicals who see this as a chalenge, but...

sigur
23-04-2005, 07:29
I think the verbalisation "branches of the adeptus" is a bit wrong. "The adeptus" isn't an organisation, "Adeptus" is more of a name or a descritption like "bureau of..."

PlagueLord
24-04-2005, 02:58
In the 3rd Ed. book, wasn't there a bit of fluff about the Imperium's organization that said all the Adeptus fill-in-the-blank were branches of the Adeptus Terra, which they called the Priesthood of Earth? I seem to remember something along those lines. Anyone have a 3rd Ed. book handy?

Silent_lord
29-09-2005, 12:44
i personally think that apart from the mentioned above, pretty much everything is a sub-department of the Adpetus Administratum.

Sikkukkut
29-09-2005, 15:13
This list is based on the old Codex Imperialis, although they had a flashy org chart instead of a list. I'll reproduce the hierarchy as best I can with dot points. I've modified it slightly to include things like the Inquisitorial chambers reflected in the "-hunter" codices. It's probably still a little out of step with the latest edition, so consider it just another thing to argue over rather than an attempt to definitively put a stop to the debate.


THE EMPEROR

High Lords of Terra

Inquisition

Deathwatch
Grey Knights

Adeptus Terra

Adeptus Mechanicus


Titan Legions


Adeptus Arbites

Adeptus Custodes

Adeptus Astra Telepathica

Adeptus Astronomica

Officio Assassinorum

Adeptus Administratum


-Departmento Munitorium
-Planetary lords
-Imperial Fleet



-Navigators

Adeptus Ministorum

-Adepta Sororitas

And the Astartes are off to one side slightly with connections to both the Administratum and the Inquisition. That connection would be far more tenuous now, given that the Astartes are bound to the Imperium with loyalty oaths that different Chapters word and interpret differently.

Inquisitor Maul
29-09-2005, 15:24
The Navigators or Navis Nobilite (right?) is actualy a standalone branch

Sikkukkut
29-09-2005, 15:32
That's correct. They're shown as subordinate to the Fleet in the chart but as the current background stands they'd be a self-contained box floating off to the side somewhere.

Kage2020
29-09-2005, 19:22
It is my understanding that the following structure is employed...

Hierarchy
Emperor
The Inquisition
Senatorum Imperialis (read: High Lords of terra)
Officio Assassinorium
The Adeptus Terra

Adeptus Terra
Adeptus Administratum
Departmento Munitorium
list] Guard
Fleet
Adeptus Ministorum
Adepta Sororitas
Adeptus Astra Telepathica
Adeptus Astronomican
Adeptus Mechanicus
Legio Titanica
Skitari, &c.
Adeptus Custodes[/list]

Imperial Organisations outside of the Adeptus Terra
Adeptus Astartes
Navis Nobilite
Inquisitoin
Chambers Militant

Heretical Structures within the Imperium
Illuminati

Along with this you've got Imperial society which lies in parallel to the adeptus terra, the government. Of course, you've got some that argue that the society is the government, but I don't agree with them! ;)

Very hard to do a proper hierarchy chart for the Imperium! Even harder to get it formatting for a forum! ;) (So here's hoping that the multiple imbedded lists work!)

Kage

Inquisitor Maul
29-09-2005, 20:30
Heretical Structure [snip] = Officio Assassinorium :wtf:

Were did that come from?

Kage2020
29-09-2005, 21:01
Erm, typo. I meant to put the Illuminati... ;)

Kage

Razerz
29-09-2005, 21:44
What is the Illuminiti?

Mechanicus
30-09-2005, 17:58
The Illuminati are individuals who have learned about the Emperor awaiting to be reborn(see Star Child, below). They are lead by sensei, descendants of descendants of the Emperor himself. They are immortal, though can be killed. They cannot experience hate, bitterness, or any other emotion related to the Chaos powers. They are, to all intents and purposes, invisible to them. They would be condemned heretics if detected by the Imperium.

The Star Child is a potential reborn Emperor, that was going to be reborn when the sensei and illuminati sacrafice themselves to 'jump-start' his conciousness. They were exterminated when an inquisitor claimed he had found a taint of chaos. But that is another thread.

cromdubh
30-09-2005, 18:12
I could be wrong here, but isn't there the officio sabatorium as well?
Anyone know any fluff about this organisation?

Lord-Warlock
30-09-2005, 18:28
Kill Team, I'm told, mentions they are saboteurs and infiltrators - to me they were always the Imperium's version of the CIA (although certain Inquisitors also walk that path).

schoon
01-10-2005, 21:02
I could be wrong here, but isn't there the officio sabatorium as well?
Hmmm, I've never heard of this one. Do you (or anyone else for that matter) have a reference?

Lord-Warlock
01-10-2005, 21:04
As stated, they're mentioned in Kill Team and also in Codex Armageddon.

Kage2020
02-10-2005, 16:04
According to the original charts it is so. Hence the term adeptus. The same applies to the adeptus astartes, arguably. The problem here is that with the adeptus astartes and the adeptus mechanicus the insular 'department/organisation' has been reinforced with them, i.e. that they are separate structures or organisms of the Imperium whole.

Kage

Brusilov
03-10-2005, 07:23
Personally I firmly distinguish the Officio Sabatorum from anything like spying and such like. For me the Officio is a branch of the Departmento Munitorum, specialised in sabotage and other commando operations that work better with a lone man than a squad of Stormtroopers. They are the Munitorum's asset when members of the Officio Assassinorum are unavailable.

Incidently, I place the Templars Psykologis as a branch of the Adeptus Astra Telepathica. They are psykers that specialise in, as the name indicate psychological warfare, their powers allow them to sow confusion among the ranks of the enemy and break its will to fight.

Just my 2 cents...

Kage2020
03-10-2005, 14:00
Good approach to the officio sabatorum, even if it does highlight weaknesses in the approach (canonical) to the officio assassinorium.

I would also place the templars psykologis in the departmento munitorium, even if they remain intimately linked with the adeptus astra telepathica. Just seems that you wouldn't want an asset such as that outside of the direct control of military authorities...?

Kage

Goblinardo
03-10-2005, 23:21
The Storm Troopers (http://www.armageddon3.com/English/Campaign/Troops/storm.html) fluff found on the Armageddon website has the following piece of text:


As well as destroying a large portion of the siege guns that threatened Infernus Hive, the Spear Points' raid had the uninentional benefit of shifting the balance of power within Ghazghkull's own forces. Thugsnik's position has now been seriously weakened by this heavy loss and his bitter rival, Warlord Morbad, could well prove keen to capitilise on the situation, causing further damage to the Orks attacking Infernus Hive. This is something that is concentrating many minds within the Officio Sabatorum.

Perhaps the OS is some sort of military intelligence-gathering agency, putting together all sort of bits and pieces to have a full portrait of enemy force organization?

Brusilov
04-10-2005, 10:35
To me it seems obvious that the Imperium requires an intelligence force, whose aim is gathering as much data on the enemy as possible, so as to faciliate the decision making process for officers and planners. Even an organisation with as massive firepower and near infinite manpower like the IG needs to know where to point those big guns.

As such, I have created the Officio Cognitae as a branch of the Departmento Munitorum who specialises in intelligence gathering. This would be limited to analysis of satellite or aerial reconnaissance, as well as observations on the ground, infiltration being relatively impossible due to the nature of the Imperium's enemy. There are some in which spies could be sent like Tau or Chaos (but then the risk of morale and mental corruption is great) but most of the Imperium's enemy do not treat humans kindly...

precinctomega
04-10-2005, 10:45
The fact is that a serpentine chimera of a bureaucracy such as the Adeptus Terra and its many branches is impossible to formally chart from one day to the next as one branch shuts down, is absorbed into another branch, withers away or suddenly achieves dominance in one field or another.

R.

Brusilov
04-10-2005, 10:54
I disagree. This would be the easy way out and the standard GW answer for not bothering to describe something that is not related directly to the boardgame, an attitude which I generally do not like at all...

There may be competition between branches and organisations, but to me, the general structure has remained stable, probably simply because Roboute Guillimane set it into stone immediately after the Heresy and no one would dare to put his word in question.
Even when Vandire was at the same time Ecclesiarch and Master of the Administratum he did not make one organisation out of the two... This would have caused a massive outcry and turned all the other organisations against him in an instant.

Khaine's Messenger
04-10-2005, 11:11
Even when Vandire was at the same time Ecclesiarch and Master of the Administratum he did not make one organisation out of the two

Well, if you go by old background (of which I cannot verify except that someone smacked it up on one of the old infamous "fluff sites"), the Ecclesiarchy is technically already part of the Administratum. It only has its own High Lord and semi-seperate hierarchy because it has lurched at half-steps and simply grown to compete with its parent organization in terms of influence. So holding both offices would have been just as "cool" as being the chief stockholder and president of a corporation.