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Jonathan =I=
22-04-2005, 02:26
This link was originally posted by Alex

Look in the top left hand corner of the image it says Tyranid special character Brood Father.

http://us.games-workshop.com/games/40K/tyranids/extras/conceptart/popup.htm?images/bl4.jpg


Edit: Omgod I cant believe I spelt peek wrong in the title :(

taer
22-04-2005, 02:30
The far right head looks like an Imp from Doom 3

Nazguire
22-04-2005, 02:54
This link was originally posted by Alex

Look in the top left hand corner of the image it says Tyranid special character Brood Father.

http://us.games-workshop.com/games/40K/tyranids/extras/conceptart/popup.htm?images/bl4.jpg


Edit: Omgod I cant believe I spelt peek wrong in the title :(


I can make out the name Prophestus, so maybe he/it is some kind of super duper Brood Lord, or the the Brood Lord was never a HQ choice at all but a special character? Meh, I dunno

DantesInferno
22-04-2005, 03:05
Edit: Omgod I cant believe I spelt peek wrong in the title :(

Not to mention "First" :)

Inquisitor Engel
22-04-2005, 03:27
I can make out the name Prophestus, so maybe he/it is some kind of super duper Brood Lord, or the the Brood Lord was never a HQ choice at all but a special character? Meh, I dunno
Brood Lord is an HQ Choice. I don't remember seeing any Tyranid Special Characters or 'Unique' creatures in the Codex. It goes against their very nature. No Nid lives long enough (and is successful enough) to be unique or special.

mel_danes
22-04-2005, 03:43
I don't remember seeing any Tyranid Special Characters or 'Unique' creatures in the Codex. It goes against their very nature. No Nid lives long enough (and is successful enough) to be unique or special.

I'll have to differ to you on the new codex as you have seen it and I have not. But I remember characters from 2nd Edition on. In 2nd Edition we had Grendal, a teleporting chamelionic Tyrant. In 3rd they gave us Ole' One Eye and the Red Terror. I agree it goes against the Tyranids to have characters, but Games workshop does not follow their own fluff most of the time anyway.

Inquisitor Engel
22-04-2005, 03:46
I'll have to differ to you on the new codex as you have seen it and I have not.
I don't own it, and at the time I was more interested in looking at the Carnifex really. I wasn't looking for characters, but the store staff didn't say "Hey look how cool this is!" or anything of the like, or even point them out.

I didn't say there won't be any, but I don't recall any, and I don't think GW would go that direction for this Codex. But hey, I've been wrong before.

mel_danes
22-04-2005, 04:02
Didn't want to sound like I was jumping on ya there Engel. You have at least seen the damn thing us slogs get to wait forever-3d6 months to see it. Speaking of Carnifex, WOW. It is bad @ss. I will enjoy it's plastic goodness.

Brimstone
22-04-2005, 05:51
In 2nd Edition we had Grendal, a teleporting chamelionic Tyrant.

Where is this from? it's not in the 2nd edition codex.

And as already stated the Broodlord is not a special character just a HQ choice.

Cheitan Shadowless
22-04-2005, 09:08
It's very simple, really. In the lower right corner it says 29-05-2004. That's quite a while ago, so at that time, the Broodfather was a Special Character concept which later on was changed into the Broodlord, now "just" an alternative HQ choice.

Wraith
22-04-2005, 09:45
In 2nd Edition we had Grendal, a teleporting chamelionic Tyrant.

Ha! That's funny... are you trolling? I own the 2nd edition Tyranid codex and there are no special characters -- not 'Grendal' the teleporting, chamelionic Hive Tyrant nor 'Dave' the flying, egg laying Carnifex...

'Brood Father' might have just been a concept name before they settled on 'Brood Lord' it's the special character mention that's interesting lets be honest.

I wouldn't put it past GW to start development of a Tyranid special character, run out of time, then justify it by saying "oh the Tyranids would never have special characters".

Tyranids might not have Special Characters but they could have 'Special Breeds' which are rarer than normal species because they are being tried out for effectiveness.

I could also suggest a human rogue scientist that's done a few Tyranid based experiements on himself turned himself into what in effect is akin to a brood lord and managed to take over a 'Stealer hive/Tyranid infested planet through psychic domination and help from his new 'Stealer DNA. An army using this guy might not be from a Hive fleet but rather all based around this special character's motivations - he could organise ships and transport his 'army' etc...

Before people say that's never happen I seem to remember a space crusade mission where a scientist had been experimenting on himself and was treated for game purposes as a 'Stealer Hybrid.

Alex_H
22-04-2005, 12:44
That picture is from the collection of concept art from the US website.

http://us.games-workshop.com/games/40k/tyranids/extras/conceptart/1.htm

is the whole collection.

Negafex
22-04-2005, 13:31
thats pretty cool lookin but whats up with the rippers? are we going to see new models like that?

mel_danes
22-04-2005, 15:37
Brimstone, Wraith I'm sorry to have caused confusion and anger among the hive mind. :mad: Back when the 2nd edition codex first came out I remember a special character being made that got quite a bit of use in my part of the world (read small towm Michigan). ;) I'm sure it was fan made, it was cool though. I figured other people would know about it. Sorry. The 3rd had characters in the book though; which was my point really that the company had made special characters for the nids.

On the brood lord topic. Do you think he will be the replacement Patriarch for the stealers? I was hoping for a redone model and some hybrids for a cult army mabye with the alien hunters release.

Also is this concept artist new to GW? :eek: Their work is really good.

Black Ambience
22-04-2005, 15:56
Damn Alex_H you beat me to it! :p

I was looking over these (http://uk.games-workshop.com/tyranids/concept-art/1/) earlier on the UK GW site - they are pretty nice images in their own right. Shame they didn't carry through some of the limb designs for the Tyrant! *produces green stuff and sculpting tooks*

It's a pity that the cover art for the new Codex isn't of this sort of quality - it really captures the alien feel of the Tyranids. The codex itself has a Carnifex that reminds me of a Dinosaur more than anything else - bizzare!

Wraith
22-04-2005, 18:09
Brimstone, Wraith I'm sorry to have caused confusion and anger among the hive mind. :mad:

Well, it provided an oppotunity to mention 'Dave' so wasn't all bad.


On the brood lord topic. Do you think he will be the replacement Patriarch for the stealers? I was hoping for a redone model and some hybrids for a cult army mabye with the alien hunters release.

It's not big enough for a Patriarch IMHO. The Brood Lord is neither 'bloated' nor highly psychic it just looks like a Genestealer on stereoids with a more humanoid physiology.

I'd be tempted to speculate the Brood Lord is simply something the hive mind made using the genestealer genetic template -- I'd imagine it's what occurs if the Hive mind removes the 'covert' nature of genestealers and boosted the combat potential. Basically I'm implying that it's a specialised mutant breed which is unrelated to the normal Genestealer life cycle.

Tom
22-04-2005, 22:32
Damn, that's a good artist they've got. His website says he's worked on Orks too....

Inquisitor Engel
22-04-2005, 22:44
Damn, that's a good artist they've got. His website says he's worked on Orks too....
IT says current projects. Don't read too much into it, from concept to model (or book) the design phase takes a long time.

Trunks
23-04-2005, 04:45
They say in the latest US WD that the Brood Lord is the first and most badass genestealer (not in those exact words) that landed on the planet when the whole infection begins.

Seemed right away to a replacement for the Patriarch to me.

Wraith
23-04-2005, 10:54
Is it possible to give us an exact quote Trunks?

If GW are actually implying that this creature is genetically identical to a standard genestealer the guy who designed the model needs even more of a major slapping than he already deserves.

Still fluff wise it still isn't a Patriarch - it isn't psychic (never mind highly psychic), it's not big enough, and it hasn't fathered every other Genestealer on the field.

Brimstone
23-04-2005, 11:01
If GW are actually implying that this creature is genetically identical to a standard genestealer the guy who designed the model needs even more of a major slapping than he already deserves.

The codex describes it as a product of the continued evolution of the Genestealer race, a Tyranid vanguard organism.

Wraith
23-04-2005, 11:09
Thanks for that Brimstone, still highly vague if you ask me... I wonder if we'll get in more detail than that.

What I don't understand is whether it's genetically no different than a genestealer or whether it's a new race based off of the genestealer genetic template.

Trunk's WD info seems to contradict your codex info.

Black Ambience
23-04-2005, 12:05
It would make sense for the Brood Lord to be to a Genestealer what a Hive Tyrant is to a Tyranid Warrior.

Not the same species per se, but that genetic template taken to an all together higher level, to serve a different purpose (commander of the shock troops).

Flame Boy
23-04-2005, 12:49
That would make more sense, Black Ambience. Not bloated pysychic 'Stealer daddy, more Genestealer 2.0?

I'd like the option for them to create a Patriarch later, or at least make it possible for a potential Genestealer Hybrid list by modifying the Brood Lord for that particular context.

Rabid Bunny 666
23-04-2005, 12:57
http://us.games-workshop.com/games/40k/tyranids/extras/conceptart/popup.htm?images/bl6.jpg

says special character, but looks nearly exactly like the broodlord figure

Wraith
23-04-2005, 13:43
It would make sense for the Brood Lord to be to a Genestealer what a Hive Tyrant is to a Tyranid Warrior.

Not the same species per se, but that genetic template taken to an all together higher level, to serve a different purpose (commander of the shock troops).

Yes, I agree I hope it ends up that GW took this approach rather than suggesting a genestealer mutates into a Brood Lord simply because it was the first one out the mycetic spore... :rolleyes:

Just so everyone is clear though a Patriarch would wipe the floor with a Brood Lord. :p

Brimstone
23-04-2005, 16:26
says special character, but looks nearly exactly like the broodlord figure

That's because it's a concept from May 2004, it may have been a special character then but it became a regular HQ choice.


ust so everyone is clear though a Patriarch would wipe the floor with a Brood Lord. :p

Really?

A Patriarch is a purestrain that's been sitting around a lot :p

A Broodlord is bred by the hive mind purely for combat/character killing.

I'd suggest it would probably be the other way around. :)

Flame Boy
23-04-2005, 16:31
...But the question is, does the Broodlord have powerful psychic abilities to match like the Patriarch? It would be amusing if the Broold Lord ended up being the Patriarch's thug bodyguard, but that's just me finding that funny I guess.

Rabid Bunny 666
23-04-2005, 16:53
but if the broodlord is a genestealer, wouldn't one crop up in a cult army?.

Brimstone
23-04-2005, 17:12
but if the broodlord is a genestealer, wouldn't one crop up in a cult army?.

Probably not. The Genestealer race is split into two parts.

The infiltrators who stow away on space hulks etc. They are the ones who start Cults and the first purestrain becomes the Patriarch. They reproduce independently and summon the hive fleets once they become powerful enough with the Patriarch acting as a psychic beacon.

The Genestealers of the hive fleets, these are either produced by the Norn queens, bred from captives, some are probably remenants of previous cults. They form the shock troops of the hive fleets and are used for combat.

It's from this latter group that the broodlord is produced, they probably cannot be created without the hyper-evolution capabilities of the fleets and breeding chambers.

Rabid Bunny 666
23-04-2005, 17:16
cool, but i'd think something similar may crop up taking the bullets for hte big daddy hisself

Wraith
23-04-2005, 17:19
Bah, the Patriarch might be a fat **** but fluff indicates he can combat Terimator Librarians no problem plus he'd nail the Brood Lord with his uber psychic power! :rolleyes: ;)


It's from this latter group that the broodlord is produced, they probably cannot be created without the hyper-evolution capabilities of the fleets and breeding chambers.

If they make it so the Brood Lord can only be produced by the Norn Queens and cannot arise via the normal Genestealer 'life cycle' I'll be more 'ok' with the idea.

Black Ambience
23-04-2005, 18:04
Heh, or we could all be treated to a C'tan-esque shoe horning into the Genestealer Cult fluff for the Brood Lord.

"It was there all the time guys, we just didn't tell you."

Wouldn't that be nice? :p

If anything, I'd have thought a Brood Lord would have been a bit of a handicap for the subversive Genetealer Cults - harder to hide something like that, and it wouldn't really serve any purpose in a Cult would it?

Trunks
23-04-2005, 19:28
Here it is, straight from WD304 US:

The Broodlord

This is one tough customer - a Genestealer hero with a sickeningly high Initiative and rending claws so powerful that they count as power weapons. This guy is more than likely to rip off an enemy character's head and spit down his neck before he's even switched on that bothersome powerfist. The first Genestealer to make planetfall in each infasion and therefore the biggest and baddest of them all, the Broodlord and his retinue of Genestealers can infiltrate into the thick of the enemy. They either absorb so much fire that the rest of the Tyranid army can advance unmolested or simply slaughter their way through whatever they get their claws on.

Rabid Bunny 666
23-04-2005, 20:02
Heh, or we could all be treated to a C'tan-esque shoe horning into the Genestealer Cult fluff for the Brood Lord.

"It was there all the time guys, we just didn't tell you."

Wouldn't that be nice? :p

If anything, I'd have thought a Brood Lord would have been a bit of a handicap for the subversive Genetealer Cults - harder to hide something like that, and it wouldn't really serve any purpose in a Cult would it?


hehe, i know what you mean about the c'tan ,but if a broodlords hard to keep hidden, think about hiding an overweight, huge purple clawed monstrosity :D

Eversor
23-04-2005, 21:52
<snip>
It's from this latter group that the broodlord is produced, they probably cannot be created without the hyper-evolution capabilities of the fleets and breeding chambers.

I wonder what would happen if a Brood Lord started a clan/cult ;) Just some food for thought...

Rabid Bunny 666
23-04-2005, 22:25
it wouldn't though

unless the fleet was beaten off, it would probably just create some harder 'stealers, probably purestrains quicker

or it would kamikazee and take as many imperials with it as xenosly possible

Nid
23-04-2005, 22:53
Sounds to me like a simple rename of the Patriarch. I don't think it's that big a deal.

Nazguire
24-04-2005, 09:57
Here it is, straight from WD304 US:

The Broodlord

This is one tough customer - a Genestealer hero with a sickeningly high Initiative and rending claws so powerful that they count as power weapons. This guy is more than likely to rip off an enemy character's head and spit down his neck before he's even switched on that bothersome powerfist. The first Genestealer to make planetfall in each infasion and therefore the biggest and baddest of them all, the Broodlord and his retinue of Genestealers can infiltrate into the thick of the enemy. They either absorb so much fire that the rest of the Tyranid army can advance unmolested or simply slaughter their way through whatever they get their claws on.

Hmmmm...

Nasty...
me guessing Initiative 8 or 9

and he must be tough so T5 or T6...

:eek: :eek:

Brimstone
24-04-2005, 10:08
Hmmmm...

Nasty...
me guessing Initiative 8 or 9

and he must be tough so T5 or T6...

:eek: :eek:

I is less than that but that lower level can be reached with a biomorph.

toughness is correct but don't forget it's not a TMC.


I wonder what would happen if a Brood Lord started a clan/cult ;) Just some food for thought...

As a combat creation I'd speculate that he probably doesn't have an oviposter.

Nazguire
24-04-2005, 10:23
I is less than that but that lower level can be reached with a biomorph.

toughness is correct but don't forget it's not a TMC.



As a combat creation I'd speculate that he probably doesn't have an oviposter.


Doh...so no picking out with the ever fun lascannon? damnit...

It is sooo enticing to collect Nids...But I'll fight it...damnit I'll fight it...

An oviposter is what?

Brimstone
24-04-2005, 10:46
An oviposter is what?

An egg layer used to infect the genstealers victims with their genetic makeup.

You can read all about them here (http://www.criticalhit.co.uk/w40krp/WD114_Genestealers.shtml) on Critical Hit.

Alex_H
24-04-2005, 10:56
I miss the old cultist stuff. Its such a pity that GW (in IMO) dumbed down so much on the surrounding fluff of 40K. I still dont understand why they did it when compared to the fantasy fluff.

I mean I still own the compendium (the yellow book) somewhere with all the rules etc for the Cults. I remeber you could have a patriach possessed by a greater deamon...and stealers blessed by khorne... it was an awsome combination.

And there was all the stories... like the one where harliquins attacked the patriach who in turn got owned by the brood brothers.... it was SO cool.

Wraith
24-04-2005, 10:58
An oviposter is what?

Well it's 'ovipositer'...

Deconstruct the word and you'll find out - 'ovi' as in 'oviraptor' for example which is a dinosaur which ate eggs. So 'ovi' means egg (like ovum fo example). 'Positer' sounds much like 'depositer'.

'Egg-depositer' so in other words it's a thin needle like devide which resides in a genestealer's tounge which can extend to deposist (despite the name) the genestealer virus (not an 'egg') in a restrained victim.

If it doesn't have a 'ovipositer' it wouldn't be able to reproduce by infection as per normal 'Stealers.


It's still quite unclear whether this Brood Lord is what results when the population of 'Stealers need a brood telepathy focus in a strictly war environment or whether it's a genetic off shoot - the text seems to be suggesting the former.

It could be that a 'Patriarch' occurs when the immediate population of 'Stealers on the planet are inflitrators and the only psychic focus is the Patriarch (no Hive Mind) - the guy gets big and highly psychic promoting reproduction rather than 'assault'.

When being used by the Tyranid fleets as shock troops though the 'Patriarch-too-be' could develop a different way - growing larger but remaining agile, not developing psychicly to any great extent because he's under direct control of the Hive Mind and simply relays this information to the other Genestealers rather than making descisions himself like a Patriarch would.

Slazton
24-04-2005, 11:32
I like the idea that the Tyanids are evloving and that GW is showing us this by creating new Genestealers, the Brood Father or Genestealer 2.0 as some people dubbed him.

Hmm, I hope GW makes a few Special Characters for the Nids, I want the Red Terror back ;)

Alex_H
24-04-2005, 11:55
I expect there will be a chapter approved artical of the Red Terror at some point... but remeber that this is just my opinion dont go and start spreading it :)

Col.Gravis
24-04-2005, 12:57
So the Broodlord is something of a 'Lieutenant' to the Patriarch?

Eversor
24-04-2005, 13:18
As a combat creation I'd speculate that he probably doesn't have an oviposter.
Probably true, that solves a host of problems as to background ;)

Oh, and the last time I checked, it was spelled ovipositor, the article on Criticalhit has it wrong :D (sorry, but the spelling police in me couldn't hold back)


Sounds to me like a simple rename of the Patriarch. I don't think it's that big a deal
Definitely not a rename. Whole different thing... Read up on your background history ;)

Black Ambience
24-04-2005, 13:41
All this is shaping the Brood Lord up rather nicely. Fills in a good niche of the Genestealer fluff. Perhaps we should compile some sort of Magos Biologis article on it after we know more from the Codex... Worked for Sherman Bishop after all!