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daa6
05-07-2008, 04:03
Hello One and All..

Well im not that new to the game of 40k, but am missing fluff. and was wondering if (you) could recommend any books which are good? i have read a fair few of the codex's "newer" but want MORE.

Daemon Hunter books I have read, the third... Daemon Hammer i thought was quiet good and had a twist, and the Space Wolf collection.

What are the HH books like and what "order" were they released, or would you recommend. (or to miss):p

Sorry its short, but would Love to hear your recommendation!

Thankyou all, in advance;)

New Cult King
05-07-2008, 04:15
I haven't got to the HH books yet, but I am deeply enamoured with the Eisenhorn trilogy.

I was a big fan of Storm of Iron and Dead Sky Black Sun, but then I'm an IW boy from way back.

Farseer is quite entertaining too. The Emperor's Children marine in that book is very amusing :) Shame he only has a relatively small part.

electric
05-07-2008, 04:19
I would definitely recommend the Gaunt's Ghosts series. While Dan Abnett has a tendency to make the guardsmen in his books stronger than they should be, it's a great series about "simple" bad-ass military men.

Vladigar
05-07-2008, 04:21
Anything by Dan Abnett is a good read.

Mott
05-07-2008, 04:37
alot of 40k novels are really cliche and overdramatic IMHO, but are almost all enjoyable.

Id suggest Sandy Mitchells Caiphas Cain series. They are not only good stories, but put some likeable and very human characters into an otherwise gothic universe. They are a little lighthearted, so if you prefer gothic action grittiness like the 40k universe is generally thought of I'd start with the heresy novels, i havent read em but they were big for a while.

Cain all the way though! They are the only Black Library books I've reread, in fact i think i've read most of em atleast 3 times. (over the last 4+ years mind you)

New Cult King
05-07-2008, 04:43
Yeah the Cain books are great, and very funny.

Elliot
05-07-2008, 06:23
Caiphus Cain! Great book, also try the HH ones, those are some of my favourites as well.

Bregalad
05-07-2008, 10:17
Actually this is the third thread on exactly the same topic this week alone. You will find a hundred threads like that on warseer, if you do a search. All have almost the same content (Abnett, HH, Grey Knight, Cain, ..., avoid C.S.Goto, ...)

misterboff
05-07-2008, 10:38
Although I haven't read them yet, www.play.com ('http://www.play.com/HOME/HOME/6-/Search.html?searchstring=horus+heresy&searchtype=bookall&searchsource=0') have most of the HH books 2 for 7.00, so I bought them all!

I've read Outlander which was quite good, but a few chapters seemed to repeat themselves. My wife's read Faith and Fire, Grey Knights and Blind, and enjoyed them all.

misterboff

sigur
05-07-2008, 10:44
...put some likeable and very human characters into an otherwise gothic universe. [...] gothic action grittiness [...]


*cringes* Must....not....get annoyed and complain about the use of certain words...

@Bregalad: Indeed, but that's 40k general. Somehow it feels like having a silly, old and altzheimer-troubled grandpa. Except that oftentimes, you just like to punch 40k General real hard.

And on topic: Don't forget that 40k novels don't necessarily have much in common with the 40k background. Think of them like fanfiction for some tv series. If you want background, read the real background books/background parts of books.

daa6
05-07-2008, 13:53
thanks for all your feed back! :D "by all means keep it coming! :angel:

Gray Knight "are those the ones by Ben Counter?" have those (x3) and they were good, the secound was the least liked, but still a good read, the third having the biggest twist.

the Space Wolf serise by Lee Lightner andf William King, were both good reads, funny! and interesting, with alot about the link "hatred" with the Sons.

what would you recommend for "fluff" then (real) background info?

HH, any to avoid? and what were the first 2-3? (the start)

Thanks AGAIN ALL, and will be looking at play.com as well thanks, misterboff. ;)

Earthbeard
05-07-2008, 14:42
All of the HH series books are a good read, Descent of Angels, was perhaps the worst of the series so far.

But Just give all of them a go, WHSmiths has a 3 for 2 on all books currently as well.

Messiahnide
05-07-2008, 15:10
If you can find it theres a really old one from 1993 called inquisitor by ian watson.
Ive read it like five times now since i bought it years back but it like i said if you can find cos i think its deffo out of print.

EVIL INC
05-07-2008, 15:13
They reprinted that series in an omnibus edition. Goos stuff.
Definately read as much of the older stuff as you can. Go for the sourcebooks and such as well like the Realm of Chaos books.

RazielZian
05-07-2008, 15:50
The Space Wolf Omnibus, WolfBlade, Sons of Fenris and WolfHonour, gotta be the best series released to date... even if it is about a bunch of mangy mutts that call themselves Space Marines... but then im a DA player, so I 'might' be a little bias here *ebil grin*

New Cult King
05-07-2008, 23:54
For proper fluff, you can't go past the 2nd Ed codexes and rulebooks.

Drogmir
06-07-2008, 00:46
If you can I would suggest finding Galaxy in Flames. Since it is just a huge collection of short stories that really give you the feel of 40K

daa6
06-07-2008, 23:15
Thanks again, one and all!

Just have to find them now....... will look into the HH, should be able to find some thing to fit my pocket, of ebay for the older books.

Thanks again.

Any more ideas, feel free to add! :D

Mr.terminatorbob
07-07-2008, 03:48
i agree with Drogmir, "Galaxy in flames" is a good book. Close to 800 pages of 40k goodness. Many different storys in it, but about half of them feature Marines, both loyalist and Chaos.

The Cain series is very good. Just read the first three about two weeks ago, before knocking out the first three Gaunt's Ghost novels, and now I'm re-reading the first three Cain books.

Damocles8
07-07-2008, 03:54
errr do you guys mean "Let the Galaxy Burn"; Galaxy in Flames is the 3rd book in the HH series....

Ddraiglais
07-07-2008, 08:42
Which fluff are you more interested in? Are you more into IG, SM, GKs, etc?

The HH series is definately worth it IMO. I play IW so I loved Storm of Iron and Dead Sky Black Sun. I also enjoyed Daemon World and Eye of Terror for better understanding of the Eye of Terror. The GK novels were good.

Frgt/10
07-07-2008, 13:37
Best 40k series IMO:

-Eisenhorn Trilogy
-Ravenor Trilogy
-Horus Heresy books
And the Cain books get an honourable mention for being awesome
Storm of Iron is also an awesome stand alone book

ernest101
08-07-2008, 04:45
if i am right, dan abnett's titan novel just released this month right? tbh anyhting by him rocks,

AdmiralDick
08-07-2008, 18:07
Don't forget that 40k novels don't necessarily have much in common with the 40k background. Think of them like fanfiction for some tv series. If you want background, read the real background books/background parts of books.

have to say i am in agreement with Sigur here. generally speaking the BL novels are not 'good' for background. they are enteraining stories set in the 40k universe, rather than explinations of the history and character of the galaxy and its inhabitants.

if you want to learn about background then get more codexes and rules books. they are the absolute best source. they are written directly by the design team and are not trying to make for a readable story or a sense of narrative, and the background in them (in theory) directly co-relates to mechanics of the army in question.

after rulebooks i would suggest background books, such as Libre Chaotica, Infantryman's Uplifting Primer, Imperial Munitorium Manual, Horus Heresy: Collected Visions, 13th Black Crusade, Battle for Armegeddon, any of the Index Astartes Books, Insignum Astartes, Tacticia Imperialis, The Inquisition, The Sabbat Worlds Crusade and to a lesser extent Xenology. most of these types of book are written to expand the univererse without needing to edit based on story telling techniques (so aliens are allowed to be genuinely alien and events don't have to have meaning).

the last source i would recomend for background would be BL Novels, and even then i would only suggest certain ones (namely the HH series). they are some pretty good reads, but i wouldn't take them for much more than that. they should be read as one particular spin on a story, and not as a definitive guide to what happened (if anything really happened at all). it seems quite common for people to read a BL novel and take what it sets up for narrative purposes as being an absolute rule (my pet hate is the number of posters who have read Storm of Iron, because its a good read, and now think that the Iron Warriors can only be dedicated to Khorne and have ranks upon ranks of Bezerkers). by all means read and enjoy the books, but they are not the best source of background.

daa6
08-07-2008, 22:04
Im interested in Any, and ALL, fluff/background, knights, and sisters, but Eldar would be good and any of the other races.....

anyone read the Prophecies book for the Eldar??

is there any for Orks?:confused:

And thanks again to ALL who post!

"the list is getting Long ;)

Horus38
08-07-2008, 22:13
For pure fluff the codexes are the way to go.

For novels the HH are all very good imho. The Eisenhorn trilogy is excellently written.

If you value your fluff stay away from C.S. Goto...

Edit:

Im interested in Any, and ALL, fluff/background, knights, and sisters, but Eldar would be good and any of the other races.....

anyone read the Prophecies book for the Eldar??

is there any for Orks?:confused:

I haven't read Prophecy but from what little I've skimmed through and heard of it's terrible. Basically a whole book about Eldar killing other Eldar and a warp spider phoenix lord (WTF!?!). The non-imperial races don't get a lot of love in the BL books, so again just stick to the codexes for your fluff fix.

LoneSniperSG
09-07-2008, 04:21
Hello One and All..

Well im not that new to the game of 40k, but am missing fluff. and was wondering if (you) could recommend any books which are good? i have read a fair few of the codex's "newer" but want MORE.

Daemon Hunter books I have read, the third... Daemon Hammer i thought was quiet good and had a twist, and the Space Wolf collection.

What are the HH books like and what "order" were they released, or would you recommend. (or to miss):p

Sorry its short, but would Love to hear your recommendation!

Thankyou all, in advance;)

If you really want the grittier fluff of 40k, see if you can get the Inquisitor Rulebook. Trust me. This reccomendation goes DOUBLE if you have an interest in Inquisitorial stuff, especially if you ever want to make your own Inquisitor and Retinue to lead your army.

johnabt
09-07-2008, 04:33
:confused:

Ok, I'm new and reading the books. I found if I wait I can get an Omnibus rather than the individual books separately, so I watch the Black Library for "Preorders" and "Coming Releases" by the title and see if more are forthcoming.
Is anyone else downloading the comics from BL?? I have some of the Boom Studios Warhammer 40K comics but distribution is get-it-fast-or-it's-gone where I am, so I get the Trade Paperback and miss the cover art on each edition.
They seem Fluffy enough.

John
Self-Initiated

AdmiralDick
10-07-2008, 10:39
oh yeah, i hadn't thought about it before, but the Specialist Games website is still up and running, and you can download all of the specialist games rulebooks for free (Inquisitor (http://www.specialist-games.com/inquisitor/rulebook.asp),Battle Fleet Gothic (http://www.specialist-games.com/battlefleetgothic/rulebook.asp), Epic (http://www.specialist-games.com/epic/rulebook.asp), Necromunda (http://www.specialist-games.com/necromunda/rulebook.asp) as well as games like Bommerz Ova Da Sulpha River (http://www.specialist-games.com/assets/BommerzDaSulpherRiver.pdf), Adeptus Titanicus (http://www.specialist-games.com/assets/AdeptusTitanicus.pdf), Battle for Armageddon (http://www.specialist-games.com/assets/Armageddon.zip) and Chaos Attack (http://www.specialist-games.com/assets/ChaosAttack.zip), and GorkaMorka Da Roolz (http://www.specialist-games.com/assets/GorkaMorkaDaRoolz.pdf) and Da Uvver Book (http://www.specialist-games.com/assets/GorkaMorkaDaUvverBook.pdf) (watch out there are some PDFs linked directly in there). as well as articles and expansions to all the main games (sadly no Digga Nob though). most of those have some quite key background points in them. large discussions on this forum have been raised and settled by those documents.

Lordsaradain
10-07-2008, 10:40
Dan Abnett's Gaunts Ghosts are a great read anyday.

Sir_Turalyon
10-07-2008, 13:35
If you want fluff, best sources are 2nd edition codices, 3rd edition rulebook (sometimes can be bought cheapily second hand) and White Dwarfs pinted during 3rd edition - including little treasures like Index astrates. Most of later fluff is rehash of these sources. If you want something for Orks, their first edition sourcebooks (Waagh da Orks, 'Ere we go and Freebooters) are the best.

If you want good BL read, you can't get better then Lord of the Night - especially if you like your 40k to be dark and tragic without insulting your intelligence. For lighter read, I recommend Ciaphas Cain series for witty humour and fun narration and Gav Thropes Last Chancers trilogy (maybe just first two books) for masterful blending of witty humour and dead serious narration. These three are only titles from BL i have read worth reading more then once.

Storm of Iron is a good read despite little disappointing ending. Fifteen Hours is nice "WW1 trench war redressed as 40k" book .

Horus Heresy are decent books, and many people swear by them, but if you value your fluff stay away from them - they are expanding background of Heresy era by filing it with plot holes and inconsistency. Many people seem to like Gaunt's Ghost, personnaly i found it poor read which does not even resamble 40k universe. People say later tomes are better, but after first one (or two?) i could not bring myself to reading more. Rogue Trader books (Rogue Star, Star of Democles) weren't that good, eighter - prolonged intrigue filled with nothing happens with no or predicable ending - but have nice believable background on rogue traders.

daa6
11-07-2008, 01:24
Again thanks everybody!

have downloaded the inquisitor and BFG, rule book and extra bits off the site, and they do have loads! thanks (and is free) :D

Just on the look out for the older stuff, (ebay)

Thanks for the report on Prophecies! wont bother...

Well got tobe quick, shattered, and off to bed, but BIG thanks to ALL.

by all means, continue :)

starlight
07-08-2008, 06:36
The things we Delete so your souls aren't scarred beyond recognition...:(


Feel blessed today, for you are protected from the Bots of Nasty who seek to defile your lovely Thread with wickedness (and not the good kind either:().

ercan_sinar
07-08-2008, 20:26
Besides all the listed books above, I find Imperial Armour 3,4, and 5 enjoyable. But I do not know how big their impact will be on the fluff.