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Deus Mechanicus
06-07-2008, 16:20
Im thinking of getting into Blood Bowl as a side game. I know several people that play in another town where i visit from time to time and from what i've seen it seems like a fun game. Recently downloaded the rulebook to plow through but i have some question on the team im thinking closer on; the norse team!

1. Is it balanced compared to the other teams? (Balanced, Overpowered, Underpowered?)

2. Snow Troll, worth it?

3. What base size does the Snow Troll go on? Im thinking of using the OK Yheete model but unsure what base.

4. What is the Norse teams general playstyle? Strenght and weaknesses?

Thx!

th0r
06-07-2008, 16:39
Norse is usually a powerhouse early on in leagues and one off games. There stock skills allow them to dominate. Usually they start to falter around 185tr plus, however with the new list they are much better. Big guys use the circular base that comes with terminators. As for general play style, name of the game is crowd surfing and hitting! What fun.

Deus Mechanicus
06-07-2008, 16:58
Norse is usually a powerhouse early on in leagues and one off games. There stock skills allow them to dominate. Usually they start to falter around 185tr plus, however with the new list they are much better. Big guys use the circular base that comes with terminators. As for general play style, name of the game is crowd surfing and hitting! What fun.

Thanks, new list? Is there a newer list than the one im looking at in the CompHandbook?

Also, any suggestion what to use for Berzerkers and Ulfwerener? The norse team box comes with Linemen, Catchers, Blitzeres and Throwers but so far i haven't seen any models for zerkers and ulfs. thx!

Cirrus the Blue
06-07-2008, 17:29
Nope! You've got the right list. In the old one, they only had the basic positions. ie. No Ulfwereners or Snow Troll. Everyone tends to convert their own Ulfwereners though and in one of the compendiums there was a terriffic tutorial regarding werewolves for Blood Bowl! I'll give you a quick rundown of how that went out.

Firstly, you have to at least have basic knowledge of how to work putty. If you do, all the better! But this tutorial only uses basic understanding of it, so don't worry.

The components you required were from either the 40K Ork box or Fantasy Ork box and plastic Fantasy Wolf figures. To choose between Fantasy and 40K for the Ork(c)s, it's simply a matter of how spiffy you want their uniforms to look. Considering you're using Norsca, you might want to lean towards the Fantasy figures instead for this conversion, but it's easy enough to putty up some extra pelts of fur lining the calves, boots, etc. either way you choose.

First, clean the arms, legs, torso and any other accessories you choose from the Orks sprue (shoulderpads, etc.) and clean the Wolf head and tail. Make sure you get rid of any weapons the hands are carrying. To get rid of that awful flatness to the side of the hand, just dig into it with your blade and twist out a nice groove to give the fist more realism. You don't need the body of the wolf, so toss that in your Bitz box. If you choose, you can even use the metal heads as these I've found tend to look that much better than the plastic, but that's up to you. ^^

Next, hack down the knobby bit on the front of the Orc torso so that it's nice and flush. Make sure you do the same on the back of the Wolf head with the little bit back there so the two pieces can stick together (obviously).

Putty up the gaps between the straps and neck (on the front and sides of the chest and on his upper back) to make it look like fur blending the head to the body. You don't need to putty every piece of flesh on these by any means. Actually, it looks better with fur in more strategic areas I've found as it gives the muscles a sense of more sleek fur where as the other areas more coarse and thick fur.

After the putty on the torso dries, glue on the arms and putty fur to the shoulders in much the same way as the torso blending the shoulder to the torso and stopping just above the bicep. You can even add on some fur to the forarms beforehand and wait for that to dry first.

Lastly, drill a hole for the tail and jam it in his butt! :D Feel free to add on a shoulderpad or two and you're done! Not so hard, eh? ^^ This is only one of many conversion ideas used for Ulfwereners. For the Berzerkers, take a peek at the Chaos Marauder box for some ideas there, too. I suggest you give those conversions a try to really make your team stand out. :)

- Cirrus

EVIL INC
07-07-2008, 14:32
yes, early on, norse are nasty but as they get higher in team strength, thier low armor starts to tell and they do indeed start to give way to the tougher, better armored or faster teams.
I wouldnt waste the money on buying the "official" norse team models. If you get a box or chaos marauders, you can convert easily. Snip the weapons off.
Use the bare heads with beards to represent the throwers.
use the bare heads with topknots to represent catchers.
Use the champion heads with the super big horns and a cape to represent berserkers.
Linemen, use reguler helmeted heads.
For ulfwerener, use beastmen. If you can get you hands on a couple of the old old ones that carry halberds, the halberd can be easily snipped off and viola, instant ulfwerener.
Snow troll, yes, the ound termy base. What to use to model it, I am not sure but I dont see why you couldnt convert something for it. A reguler troll with green stuff? Not sure but even if you cant think of anything to use to represent it, you can afford to buy an "official" model for it after saving all the money by converting the rest of the team.
Good luck, lood bowl is indeed a fun side game.

Gaftra
07-07-2008, 15:17
norse are a really strong team because of block. it really allows you to go toe to toe with any team out there. on a two die they choose youre still fine unless you roll the equivalent of a one if you can advance a guy to have tackle, mighty blow, or pile on then you are going to have a good chance of just breaking other teams.
everyone so far is correct in mentioning their problems in an extended league because of armor 7 you will be losing players eventually. my recommendation would be to spread advancements around the team as best you can instead of building up super players, which works for most other teams.

-fen-
07-07-2008, 23:52
1. Is it balanced compared to the other teams? (Balanced, Overpowered, Underpowered?)
One of the best teams all round. Very strong early on, gets a bit weaker later on but the Snow Troll and Ulfwerenars make up for it. +AV is brilliang


2. Snow Troll, worth it?
YES! It's one of the best big guys in the game alongside the Beast of Nurgle.


3. What base size does the Snow Troll go on? Im thinking of using the OK Yheete model but unsure what base.
Base size is your call, it only takes up one square regardless. If you can fit it on a smaller base it'll be easier to manuver on the pitch, but possibly more unstable.


4. What is the Norse teams general playstyle? Strenght and weaknesses?
Very Bashy but fragile, scoring with running plays and the occasional hand off/pass. The Snow Troll is the single most dangerous piece in the game apart from the Chaos minotaur as Claw plus Mighty Blow is amazing. The team is also very good at dominating the sidelines by crowd pushing as it has 5 frenzy players. Blitzers make very good killers with Mighty Blow and Piling On. Runners are also amazing utility Blitzers/Ball Handlers/Recievers.


But they are glass cannons, later on when other teams pick up Block you lose your advantage. This is why +AV is very important for the team if you roll 6+4 for advances. They can go toe to toe with most teams early in a league, later on Orcs, Chaos, Nurgle and Dwarfs will rip them apart.

Deus Mechanicus
10-07-2008, 03:58
I wouldnt waste the money on buying the "official" norse team models.

The problem is, i love the official norse team models! They look awesome.

I was thinking about using two Beorg Bearstruck as Ulfwerenars and the bearmen as berzerkers. I think id fit in perfectly with the rest of the norse models visually and the Ogre Kingdoms Yheeti as Snow Troll.

The only problem with this is that not only am i guessing that the Bearmen dogs of war box is outdated and hard to find but that i need two for the Beorg model. (Luckily you can only have 2 Ulfweranars :))

Cirrus the Blue
14-07-2008, 07:54
The team figs are already great, don't get me wrong! Only problem was they never included the additional figures as they were semi-recent additions to the roster. heh :P

And furthermore, since GW has since decided to become the ubersuck and discontinue bitz ordering, those figures will be difficult at best to come across at the best of times anymore. I wish you all the best on ebay. Everything shows up there though, so keep your eyes peeled and check once a week. There's a few great merchants there already and you might even be able to ask around to see if they have any in their stockpiles. :) Good luck!

- Cirrus

Darkson
16-07-2008, 23:37
If you want the official figs, contact BBFigs (http://www.bloodbowlfigs.com/index.php?option=home) - they'll have them in, but I'm not sure which wave they're due on, or
keep an eye on Tritex Games (http://www.tritex-games.co.uk/index.php) - he normally has official BB figs in stock, even if they're not shown on the website.

Cirrus the Blue
16-07-2008, 23:54
The ones he was referring for the Beorg Bearstruck and Bearmen were from the Warhammer Fantasy discontinued ranges of Dogs of War figures which is why they'd be so difficult to find. :P heh

As for the original team of Norse, I think Specialist still sells those same as always. I know I've seen them available at my local RT shop at least.

- Cirrus

spevna
18-08-2008, 10:11
Are you going to be playing in store or at home? There are plenty of nice alternative minis to use. Check out Reaper, thats where I picked up my Snow Troll from.

Marlow
18-08-2008, 18:01
3. What base size does the Snow Troll go on? Im thinking of using the OK Yheete model but unsure what base.

4. What is the Norse teams general playstyle? Strenght and weaknesses?

You want to use Impacts 30mm Bases for the Snow Troll, that way it will only take up one square on the pitch
http://www.impactminiatures.com/index.php?option=basing_profile&id=SP_PB30

Norse are good to play, but can suffer a little due to only having AV 7. If the opponent gets some slightly above average rolls you can get a lot of injuries. Definatly one of the better starting teams. I think everything else has been covered by other posters.

Cirrus the Blue
18-08-2008, 20:11
An update on the Ulfwerener figs that I stumbled across on ebay. Apparently there WERE two different figures of this position released, but in far too limited numbers - which is kind of lame considering they're an entire POSITION and not just some Star Player or whatever. Reason I didn't pick them both up was due to the fact they were going for over 30 bucks a pop and also I don't play Norsca anyway, so... :p Anyway, if you can find those, nab 'em!

- Cirrus

Warsmith Strader
01-09-2008, 12:59
I prefer using square bases for all of my teams. the ball stays on the base better. for my BB team, I used the plastic chaos marauders and converted a thrower with the gloved hands of a human thrower. as to a snow troll, the Yeti from the Ogre Kingdom is fine for it, and werewolves, either mail order them or get from Ral Partha(Warlord Ragers) though they would be illegal in GW stores or official tourniments.

Darkson
03-09-2008, 01:56
The ones he was referring for the Beorg Bearstruck and Bearmen were from the Warhammer Fantasy discontinued ranges of Dogs of War figures which is why they'd be so difficult to find. :P heh

As for the original team of Norse, I think Specialist still sells those same as always. I know I've seen them available at my local RT shop at least.

- Cirrus


An update on the Ulfwerener figs that I stumbled across on ebay. Apparently there WERE two different figures of this position released, but in far too limited numbers - which is kind of lame considering they're an entire POSITION and not just some Star Player or whatever. Reason I didn't pick them both up was due to the fact they were going for over 30 bucks a pop and also I don't play Norsca anyway, so... :p Anyway, if you can find those, nab 'em!

- Cirrus

Beorg is going for $30 plus?:wtf: Some people have more money than sense - it's a goddamn awful figure.


Or have I misunderstood your post?

Cirrus the Blue
03-09-2008, 04:46
Beorg is going for $30 plus?:wtf: Some people have more money than sense - it's a goddamn awful figure.


Or have I misunderstood your post?

haha I think you did, actually. :p I was referring to the Limited Edition Ulfwerener figures as opposed to the Beorg figure. ;) The Ulfwerener figures were actually pretty tight sculpts, I'd say!

- Cirrus

Darkson
03-09-2008, 23:34
Which ones were they? I don't recall GW ever making a BB Ulfwerner. Do you have a link to the auction?

Cirrus the Blue
04-09-2008, 06:37
http://cgi.ebay.fr/Limited-edition-ULFWERENER-2-BLOOD-BOWL-bloodbowl-rare_W0QQitemZ320286307225QQihZ011QQcategoryZ233QQ cmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.fr/BLOODBOWL-ULFWERENER-RARE-COLLECTOR-BLOOD-BOWL_W0QQitemZ320281683090QQihZ011QQcategoryZ1181Q QcmdZViewItem

Had to google for these so unfortunately the only ones I found were in French (auctions have ended, too), but here they are! Apparently, they were sculpted for one of the big tournaments a couple years ago. Turns out they're not GW... :( The other auctions never said which company besides just being LE. They're still great figures regardless and were sculpted to in fact BE Ulfwerener. ;)

- Cirrus

the anti santa
04-09-2008, 07:33
The 1st one looks quite good and would make an ok ulwerener, but the 2nd looks like a were-hamster.

I don't think either are worth what they went for on e-bay, but then i've seen bb models going for silly prices on there. The worst being the hideous Hubris Rakarth going for more than his retail price when he was still available from the GW website.

Darkson
04-09-2008, 18:36
Ah, yep, not GW. I've got the 2nd one - looks better in the metal than that pic makes out. Iirc, they were originally made as tournament-only figs, but they're possibly going to be available to buy at some point. I think it was mentioned on TBB, so I'll see if I can find a link.