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HiveTrygon
21-07-2008, 02:05
Ok some of you like my old school stuff inspired by Gary Chalk, others do not. For those who don't I started to try out 28mm heroic standard. These are blown up at least 5 times bigger and honestly have less detail than my old stuff but hey you seem to like it. These have a long way to go and I'll update them when I get to more of the detail work, such as the short swords attached to belt, chains, furs, etc.
Orc, is going to be uber cool:
http://trollsforge.com/wor/orcpre1.jpg
Troll, a little funky in this shot but very cool in person, back shows it better. If all goes well this will be the best troll ever, and I mean that. :evilgrin: :
http://trollsforge.com/wor/trollpre1.jpg
http://trollsforge.com/wor/trollpre2.jpg

Cycorax
21-07-2008, 02:18
Looks promising! Nice work.

HiveTrygon
22-07-2008, 20:15
Updates, looking better. Wolf head seems slightly off, not sure how? I need to add ears and teeth yet so that may help.
http://trollsforge.com/preview/orcpre3.jpg
this picture shows how cool the chain mail is blown up even, not sure why the rest do not?
http://trollsforge.com/preview/orcpre4.jpg
http://trollsforge.com/preview/orcpre5.jpg
http://trollsforge.com/preview/orcpre6.jpg

HiveTrygon
22-07-2008, 20:16
Cont 4 picture max:
Troll body piercings:
http://trollsforge.com/preview/trollpre3.jpg

Zodiac
23-07-2008, 07:54
Troll looks good! What are you aiming for, D&D look? Or a more fantasy style?

Dark Seraphim
23-07-2008, 13:28
Looks awesome, the troll is very nice!

I really envy thoes that can do this kind of magic with GS :cries:

Braad
23-07-2008, 14:43
My only comment here is that the orcs feet look to small.

Otherwise, that is some pretty neat greenstuff work you've done there.

HiveTrygon
23-07-2008, 22:20
My only comment here is that the orcs feet look to small.

Otherwise, that is some pretty neat greenstuff work you've done there.

I'm glad you said that because I've been wanting to use brown stuff over them and now I think I will! :D

As for the Orc design, just a cool orc is all, something that would work for fantasy type games, roleplay, whatever. After the first 7 new minis are done I plan to make 7 more that will be a little more advanced and take even more time. Those will have tons of extra bits, such as armor that you could choose to place where wanted, weapon options as well as different arms, heads, and may be even torsos.

HiveTrygon
25-07-2008, 21:06
Updates for you:
http://trollsforge.com/wor/trllpren1.jpg
http://trollsforge.com/wor/trllpren2.jpg
http://trollsforge.com/wor/trllpren4.jpg
http://trollsforge.com/wor/trllpren3.jpg
For some reason the chain on the troll looks 10 times thicker than it is? Other than that he is coming along nice. Orc cont. next post.

HiveTrygon
25-07-2008, 21:08
Ok, here is orc, each mini will have 2 heads and differnet weapon option as well.
http://trollsforge.com/wor/orcpne1.jpg
http://trollsforge.com/wor/orcpne2.jpg
http://trollsforge.com/wor/orcpne3.jpg
http://trollsforge.com/wor/orcpne4.jpg

Xyon
25-07-2008, 22:22
Amazing. I can't wait to see more.

What kind of sculpting materials are you using by the way?

HiveTrygon
25-07-2008, 23:01
Amazing. I can't wait to see more.

What kind of sculpting materials are you using by the way?

Green stuff and brown stuff. This is the first time I have used brown stuff and like it for armor but that is about it. Not sticky enough. I tried making rivets with it only to have them pull off on my tool with the slightest pressure. :mad: Are you new to sculpting? Most hobby people know of green stuff? I can help you with questions if you have any.

Braad
26-07-2008, 13:10
Wow, a private invitation for more opinions...

Well, lets see... I think the neck of the orc could be a bit thicker... Though that might be a bit hard to do since the armour is already sculpted around it.
About heads, I think this one seems a bit serious for some orc that's about to some heavy damage. I think a second one with the option of screaming, bellowing and lots of teef showing would be nice.

About weapon options, the first thing that comes to mind is a huge axe. However, that one might be a bit very similar when compared to the Badruk 'Eadsplitta model. Though the pose also looks a bit as if he wants to throw something. Maybe he's about to throw a huge boulder or even an opponent back in combat.

I just noticed that you also posted them at the avatars of war forum, so you are familiar there. Check the week 7 artwork topic in the miniature and artwork preview forum to see what I mean.
And then a head that goes with it.

Another option is giving him a spear that he is thrusting at his opponent, for if he wants to ride a chariot...

About the troll, no comments. It looks great!

HiveTrygon
26-07-2008, 14:26
Thanks, all great suggestions. I am doing the axe right now a hammer, and massive coppa looking sword. the neck was made a little thin to allow the optional head thing, via a sort of ball and socket head thing. I like the idea of a spear but I'd rather have him jumping and driving down with it, so I may do that with the warboss mini next turn. I'm heading over to AoW to see what you mean. I remmeber the picture but forgot about it. :o

Xyon
26-07-2008, 16:24
Green stuff and brown stuff. This is the first time I have used brown stuff. Are you new to sculpting? Most hobby people know of green stuff? I can help you with questions if you have any.

I'm kind of new to sculpting, I've done minor things like details and joints like knees shoulders elbows from pinning different parts for conversions.

I was just asking, because the bulk of the model looks gray, so it doesn't look like green stuff at all, so I was curious if you were using something different.

But I am curious about brown stuff too, how does it compare to green stuff? hardness/softness, how quickly it dries, you said its less sticky so i guess in smaller amounts it's harder to put on the bulk of the model then.

HiveTrygon
27-07-2008, 01:00
I'm kind of new to sculpting, I've done minor things like details and joints like knees shoulders elbows from pinning different parts for conversions.

I was just asking, because the bulk of the model looks gray, so it doesn't look like green stuff at all, so I was curious if you were using something different.

But I am curious about brown stuff too, how does it compare to green stuff? hardness/softness, how quickly it dries, you said its less sticky so i guess in smaller amounts it's harder to put on the bulk of the model then.

I mix an even amount of yellow to blue and this is the color you get. A lot of people add a lot more yellow and thus it looks very green. Green stuff is very sticky, brown much less sticky, slightly harder as well. It sets about the same to me but much easier to smooth and get hard edges with. I prefer green for it's stickyness but brown for very tiny stuff. It's just hard to get the brown stuff to stick.

Xyon
27-07-2008, 01:22
Maybe its just the lighting then, I try to use an even mix as well, but it never looks gray. Or, i don't know, I see some parts that look green and some parts that are gray, is the whole model sculpted by you or just parts?

Either way, its very cool, and thanks for your input on brown stuff.

HiveTrygon
27-07-2008, 13:41
Maybe its just the lighting then, I try to use an even mix as well, but it never looks gray. Or, i don't know, I see some parts that look green and some parts that are gray, is the whole model sculpted by you or just parts?

Either way, its very cool, and thanks for your input on brown stuff.

I can't see anything gray? There is dark and light green, and brown, but grey not sure what your talking about? The base is white resin which are sculpted bases I fliped upside down to get the 25mm scale of the base. The pictures are dark as well so may be on your monitor they look grey? Anyway, ever have a more specific question and I'll answer best I can.

RavenMad
27-07-2008, 14:24
Really nice, clean work there HiveTrygon. I'm not especially fond of the heads but that's just personal preference - I can tell they're still quality! Besides, if you're going to make swappable heads then everyone wins :)

Anyway, can't wait to see more!

HiveTrygon
28-07-2008, 01:38
Ok, now mind you I still have to sculpt the orcish skulls on the round disks of the belt. I plan to make the skulls have rings in their noses with chains hanging from them, so it will be cool. A lot of people did not like the thick belt so I'm going this rout for the first orc. Troll back should be fixed and hands are done holding cloth, just have to add a few more stitches. Second scar head started. Wraith has begun. That piece sticking out will be sculpted over more and blended back into the mass and tattered. wind effect is working I think.
http://trollsforge.com/wor/ocp2.jpg
http://trollsforge.com/wor/ocp4.jpg
http://trollsforge.com/wor/ta2.jpg
http://trollsforge.com/wor/ta3.jpg
next post cont>

HiveTrygon
28-07-2008, 01:39
last 2 pics. new troll head scared face with stitching and wraith.
http://trollsforge.com/wor/ta5.jpg
http://trollsforge.com/wor/wt1.jpg

HiveTrygon
04-08-2008, 01:14
No comments last time, so lets see what happens this time?
http://trollsforge.com/wor/wb.html
these are both multi part kits and should be done in a week or two. Orc will have 5 head options and 3 weapons, 3 orcish heads, 2 ugly barbarian/mutant heads for rpgs. Troll, 3 heads and 4 different hand weapons. Wraith long way to go but here just to show the flow of cloth.
http://trollsforge.com/wor/orcnf1.jpg
http://trollsforge.com/wor/orcnf2.jpg
http://trollsforge.com/wor/orcnf3.jpg
http://trollsforge.com/wor/orcnf5.jpg
contin:

HiveTrygon
04-08-2008, 01:16
cont:
http://trollsforge.com/wor/trollfin2.jpg
http://trollsforge.com/wor/trollfin3.jpg
my favorite head is the middle, then the left, right for rpg's.
http://trollsforge.com/wor/trollfin1.jpg
wraith robes, long way to go yet:
http://trollsforge.com/wor/wraith1.jpg

Nightsword
04-08-2008, 01:23
How I wish I could sculpt.

To me, the head of the orc looks a bit small and so does the axehead for some reason.

I agree with you on the favourite troll's head, and the wrath is looking good, if not a little fragile at the moment. Be nice to get some comparison shots with some actual minis.


EDIT: Looking through your website, this has to be the best stuff yet in my opinion.

HiveTrygon
04-08-2008, 01:49
How I wish I could sculpt.

To me, the head of the orc looks a bit small and so does the axehead for some reason.

I agree with you on the favourite troll's head, and the wrath is looking good, if not a little fragile at the moment. Be nice to get some comparison shots with some actual minis.


EDIT: Looking through your website, this has to be the best stuff yet in my opinion.

The head still needs eys, and the chain mail helmet. A dome helmet with mail coming down the sides. ;) Should fix that. I love the old stuff because it was different and weird but hey these seem to attract people and I do enjoy them, so I'm going to stay this route and make the older stuff for me and my display cabinet. I so far have sold to 5 people old miniatures and every one of them have said they are beyond fantastic. Not sure if it's my painting, photography, or the style but they look 100 times better in person. I think these new ones will blow a lot of sculpts out of the water if painted by some professionals and look forward to getting them cast up.

Nightsword
04-08-2008, 01:56
Don't get me wrong, I like your older stuff, but you've really come into your own with this style. I think the majority of people on here are warhammer players or GW customers first and foremost, and this style is more reminiscent of them, which inturn attracts more attention. I do not doubt your sculpts are fantastic, and even if I did, I couldn't possibly comment. You're talking to the person who has problems filling gaps :D

Not saying I'm a professional, but I wouldn't mind having a go at that orc.

And I'm sure the dome helmet will make it ;)

HiveTrygon
04-08-2008, 03:12
Don't get me wrong, I like your older stuff, but you've really come into your own with this style. I think the majority of people on here are warhammer players or GW customers first and foremost, and this style is more reminiscent of them, which inturn attracts more attention. I do not doubt your sculpts are fantastic, and even if I did, I couldn't possibly comment. You're talking to the person who has problems filling gaps :D

Not saying I'm a professional, but I wouldn't mind having a go at that orc.

And I'm sure the dome helmet will make it ;)

Well when It's done I'm going to be needing a few painters so I might be able to work something out at say free shipping or a discount if your interested in painting one. he has so many options that I'm sure people will be using bits for other minis as well. I'll be sure to get into contact with you when finished. Hellric is my primary painter but if you want to paint to get a free mini here and there I'm sure something could be worked out. ;)

Nightsword
04-08-2008, 11:19
HiveTrygon, you're a real gent. Be sure to get in contact, and I'll make sure I do the damndest job.

HiveTrygon
05-08-2008, 03:03
HiveTrygon, you're a real gent. Be sure to get in contact, and I'll make sure I do the damndest job.
I'll keep in contact with you. While I have your attention though a question about the belt of the orc. I have had several people email me they would rather it be plain than with those faces, so I'm thinking of stripping those off. Now I can not picture those that smooth and plain so I'm thinking of 1 of 2 things. 1) jems, oval ringed jems, or 2) studs, sorta square and pointy but not massive spikes, just like on a dogs collar or something. Suggestions?

Nightsword
05-08-2008, 12:06
I quite like the belt from post 3, minus the greenstuff pattern in the centre of the piece. From a painters angle, it offers the chance for the better painters to add a freehand design, but also offers the chance for a nice, smooth paint job for those less inexperienced at design. It's also bulkier, and would add some thickness to his stomach area.

Saying that though, I did some quick looking on the GW website. Maybe something like this but more spikey:
http://uk.games-workshop.com/download/popup.htm?/orcsandgoblins/warboss-painting/images/9_lg.jpg

Or do a chest piece similar in design to the shoulderpiece?

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with the faces. If you could salvage them, could you maybe add them as alternate bits, or take the one from the middle and use that as the buckle for the straps across his chest?

At the end of the day though, you're the sculpter and its your vision. If people don't like them, they can always remove them themselves. My preference would be the oval disc from post 3 though.

HiveTrygon
05-08-2008, 22:14
Well I changed the belt due to the fact I want my orc warlord to have that design and I did not want to repeat that. I like the studs on that orcs gauntlet quite a bit so I might try that.

spikedog
05-08-2008, 22:37
Love your stuff as always HiveTrygon.

I really like the shoulder armour you have on the troll, the dinosaur skull and also the wolf head and pelt on the orc is fantastic!

The wraith is coming along nicely as well, if it is half as good as the troll and the orc I think I will have to pick one of these up for my undead army!

HiveTrygon
09-08-2008, 07:32
Love your stuff as always HiveTrygon.

I really like the shoulder armour you have on the troll, the dinosaur skull and also the wolf head and pelt on the orc is fantastic!

The wraith is coming along nicely as well, if it is half as good as the troll and the orc I think I will have to pick one of these up for my undead army!

Thank you Spikedog, I'm also looking to get some new members for the forum for feedback and would love to have your input if interested. I'm trying to help out several members with casting and getting a start a mini sculpting. Your welcome to check it out and the group is growing as I type this.
http://trollsforge.proboards83.com/index.cgi?
I also want to let you know the orc should be done by the weekend along with the troll and I'll be molding them both up. Next will be the wraith sculpt and dwarf. They are both coming along fine and want to let you all decide upon the next mini. Would you like to see the elf, barbarian, or demon next?

Nightsword
09-08-2008, 12:35
I just have to say, taking a look at your forum has led me to finding the brushes I want :)

And done by the weekend? Sounds cool. Can't wait *quivers with excitement* Did you work out what you were going to do with the belt? Any WIPs of the wraith and dwarf?

I think Khabuldashubeth is sculpting a wise magical bird inspired daemon next, and he sells on your site doesn't he? Maybe do a lithe, alluring daemon next ;) ? You'll end up with a full range of potential daemon heralds then, what with your current plague minions and greather devil etc. in the range already. You won't be in competition with companies like Avatars of War then too, so advertised enough, you should get some more sales :D

Nightsword.

HiveTrygon
09-08-2008, 17:03
I just have to say, taking a look at your forum has led me to finding the brushes I want :)

And done by the weekend? Sounds cool. Can't wait *quivers with excitement* Did you work out what you were going to do with the belt? Any WIPs of the wraith and dwarf?

I think Khabuldashubeth is sculpting a wise magical bird inspired daemon next, and he sells on your site doesn't he? Maybe do a lithe, alluring daemon next ;) ? You'll end up with a full range of potential daemon heralds then, what with your current plague minions and greather devil etc. in the range already. You won't be in competition with companies like Avatars of War then too, so advertised enough, you should get some more sales :D

Nightsword.

Khabuldashubeth has stuff on my site and I have several of his things ready to mold up as soon as mine are ready. I am trying to help others out with the casting thing to get them some minis and experience as well as some money hopefully. I have great confidence in him. I'm also going to be adding a fellow named Iceswords sculpts, some very fantastic mutants to the site soon. One other possible artist named Kyte, but he might still be in the air, oh and Metal Fingered Villian if he decides to jump on the wagon.

As for my planed sculpts, I plan to do a marauder/chaos looking barbarian next after the dwarf and wraith. The wood elf/assassin looking elf next and then the massive greater devil which will be armed to the teeth with axe, wings, muscles, etc. Each should have some extra options. I'm not going to be able to do head swaps with the dwarf or elf yet, still trying to figure out a good way to do that?

The orc's belt looks fantastic now and I'm trying to wait until all the little final details are finished so I can get some good pictures for you to see the complete kit. I was up until 3am working and got up at 6am today to start again. I'm very certain I can finish them this weekend. :D Pictures soon to follow.

HiveTrygon
12-08-2008, 02:12
Here are the kits, sorry for sub par photos but when I get the first casts inked up I'll replace these. They are just snapped in place and stuck on with super sculpty.
http://trollsforge.com/preview/orckit1.jpg
http://trollsforge.com/preview/trollkit1.jpg
the wraith so far cont. next post.

HiveTrygon
12-08-2008, 02:13
Mind you these are probably 10times bigger if not more than the actual mini.
http://trollsforge.com/preview/wraith1.jpg
http://trollsforge.com/preview/wraith2.jpg
http://trollsforge.com/preview/wraith3.jpg

Nightsword
12-08-2008, 10:25
Awesome! *sings*

I know which bits I'd be using :D Sign me up for one of each.

And I have to say, the pose of the wraith is looking class. You can imagine it having an outstretched finger pointing at the helpless victim, as the other hand holds a fireball in its hand. Alternate bits? :D

HiveTrygon
12-08-2008, 23:38
Awesome! *sings*

I know which bits I'd be using :D Sign me up for one of each.

And I have to say, the pose of the wraith is looking class. You can imagine it having an outstretched finger pointing at the helpless victim, as the other hand holds a fireball in its hand. Alternate bits? :D

Man I'm glad you mentioned that. I was just going to do a scyth but a sword, fireball, etc for the right hand would be great! The pointing hand could have a sword pointing may be but I like the pointing finger idea most. It's also going to have a lantern hanging from the chain belt which is sorta hard to see. :D

Nightsword
13-08-2008, 00:54
Sounds great mate :D I look forward to it in anticipation.

HiveTrygon
13-08-2008, 02:26
Sounds great mate :D I look forward to it in anticipation.

Don't forget you are going to owe me a paint job on my first new series and I hope they fit into your other miniature collections. I'll PM you when I have the molds done this week.

Nightsword
13-08-2008, 11:23
I'm sort of heading into display miniatures anyway, so new ones to practice and play around on are always welcome in my display cabinet :) Cheers buddy.

Braad
13-08-2008, 12:06
Well, I can only go with earlier comments that the orc heads appear too small. But indeed, if that's your style, then I won't complain :)

But the rest is just amazing. I like where the wraith is going.
Maybe a scale photo of all of them compared to a standard GW mini (an empire dude or something)?

HiveTrygon
13-08-2008, 16:45
Well, I can only go with earlier comments that the orc heads appear too small. But indeed, if that's your style, then I won't complain :)

But the rest is just amazing. I like where the wraith is going.
Maybe a scale photo of all of them compared to a standard GW mini (an empire dude or something)?

Thanks for reminding me. I keep forgetting to do that. I'm afraid to compare the two and GW smack me down for using their minis in a comparison photo. :skull:

spikedog
14-08-2008, 21:43
Wraith is looking great and if it came with different arm options that would be awesome. As I would be using it in my VC army if I can make it up so it was unarmed I think it would fit right in there.

Your stuff is great and if you ever do anything that fits with any of my armies I would certainly grab one/many. :D

Say have you any plans to do any beast-like models, be it Minotaurs, Beastmen, Dragons and the like?

HiveTrygon
15-08-2008, 00:11
Wraith is looking great and if it came with different arm options that would be awesome. As I would be using it in my VC army if I can make it up so it was unarmed I think it would fit right in there.

Your stuff is great and if you ever do anything that fits with any of my armies I would certainly grab one/many. :D

Say have you any plans to do any beast-like models, be it Minotaurs, Beastmen, Dragons and the like?

I sure do. After the first 7 my next seven fantasy minis would be something along this line:
minotaur, orc warboss, dwarf lord, elf nobel, human general, goblin, another demon. I plan to get 4 massive demons and several lesser or lest demons in the mix as well. I'd love to have say 100+ good minis down the road over the next year or so. :eek:

HiveTrygon
23-08-2008, 18:12
Here is the wraith which will be finished today. I'm excited to see what people will do with light effects on the lantern. The ghost hand is not pictured, which is just a hand with a skull.
http://trollsforge.com/wor/wrthfin1.jpg
here is the dwarf, so far it's going well and I think it will be a very good one when done. I plan 3 heads and 2 weapons.
http://trollsforge.com/wor/dwarf1.jpg
http://trollsforge.com/wor/dwarf2.jpg
http://trollsforge.com/wor/dwarf3.jpg
The orc and troll are molded and I'm cutting them open so as to get some casts very, very soon.

Nightsword
23-08-2008, 18:28
That wraith is awesome. Be good to practice OSL on :D It looks quite fragile as well but I'm sure its solid. Any chance on a comparison pic of size between the wraith, orc and troll?

The Dwarf is looking cool at the moment, if not a little "samey". The fur pelt and belt design is quite reminiscent of the orc in my opinion. I shall reserve judgement for when I see it with the head and weapon, though if you were to design another dwarf, I'd like to see it in full plate mail.

Looking forward to the troll and orc, and hopefully my hand will have healed by the time I get my grubby mitts on them :P

PS: I noticed I was a bit rude to you on your first log, so for that I apologise. I've had a rough summer (not an excuse but still...). Where abouts is St. Charles?

HiveTrygon
23-08-2008, 18:41
I am in MO. in the USA.

The dwarf in plate will be a lord option. This guy is more of a troop thing. I can get comparison pictures when I get some casts done. The wraith is frail as in thin and small, but plenty strong when cast in resin. I'll be starting the human barbarian next, then the elf and the greater devil last I think. Then some sci-fi stuff. ;)

Rabid Bunny 666
23-08-2008, 18:48
Ooh, looking nice so far HiveTrygon, definately liking the new style.

Nightsword
23-08-2008, 18:51
I am in MO. in the USA.

The dwarf in plate will be a lord option. This guy is more of a troop thing. I can get comparison pictures when I get some casts done. The wraith is frail as in thin and small, but plenty strong when cast in resin. I'll be starting the human barbarian next, then the elf and the greater devil last I think. Then some sci-fi stuff.

Ok, cool. As a chaos man, I'm looking forward to the barbarian :p I'm in the UK btw.

HiveTrygon
07-09-2008, 21:26
Castings of the 2 kits, primed, no inks yet. I'll be inking these black for the store but for now. I missed a little cleaning but you can see how nice the resin casts are. I cleaned, assembled, and primed these in about 1 hour. Very nice casts, I'm happy. The dwarf, barbarian, and wraith kits will be even better. I bought one last piece of equipment to push the limit on the resin even further and might even expand to metal soon.
http://trollsforge.com/preview/orcprime1.jpg
http://trollsforge.com/preview/trollprime1.jpg

Nightsword
07-09-2008, 21:56
OMG, there's so much detail in them. They look really good mate.

HiveTrygon
07-09-2008, 21:59
OMG, there's so much detail in them. They look really good mate.

I just PMed you so get your brushes ready. ;)

Nightsword
07-09-2008, 22:08
Replied :D

HiveTrygon
14-09-2008, 20:34
Worked real hard to get this right. The best miniature I will have done to date when finished. Armor additions and heads optional. 2-3 possible weapon choices depending. I'm leaning toward sword and shield, two weapons one under hand the other normal grip, and a flail if I can figure that bugger out. Lots of heads and helm options.
http://trollsforge.com/workbench/barbarian1.jpg
dwarf update, looking good as well I think. Now that I have been trying to be exact with proportions this one has been very tough form me:
http://trollsforge.com/workbench/dwarfpre1.jpg

tankworks
14-09-2008, 23:39
Great sculpting and attention to detail, but, sometimes the trees get in the way of the forest. I do not think that the axe swinger would be able to swing past his helmet horns, or is it just the angle of the pics?

HiveTrygon
15-09-2008, 00:17
Great sculpting and attention to detail, but, sometimes the trees get in the way of the forest. I do not think that the axe swinger would be able to swing past his helmet horns, or is it just the angle of the pics?

Your right, but if you look at a lot of miniatures out these that tends to be the case. My thought is he lets go with one hand when the action starts to happen. ;)

malika
16-09-2008, 11:01
I agree with that the Orc's head might have to be a little bit bigger, but just a tiny bit, maybe an enlarged lower jaw or something. However I understand how you have done this since you've probably based on the Orc on human proportions (somewhat). Let's just say that your Orc looks more convincing than the more GW styled Orcs, never really liked the idea that their heads are on their chests (just look at the intro video of Dawn of War to see what I mean).

I do hope that with the release of these models more people will be interested in your stuff and maybe join up on the forums (http://trollsforge.proboards83.com/index.cgi), especially sculptors and those interested in sculpting since they also have the chance of releasing their models and all that! :D

HiveTrygon
20-09-2008, 06:45
I agree with that the Orc's head might have to be a little bit bigger, but just a tiny bit, maybe an enlarged lower jaw or something. However I understand how you have done this since you've probably based on the Orc on human proportions (somewhat). Let's just say that your Orc looks more convincing than the more GW styled Orcs, never really liked the idea that their heads are on their chests (just look at the intro video of Dawn of War to see what I mean).

I do hope that with the release of these models more people will be interested in your stuff and maybe join up on the forums (http://trollsforge.proboards83.com/index.cgi), especially sculptors and those interested in sculpting since they also have the chance of releasing their models and all that! :D

Malika, I do plan to offer upgrades for kits down the road after I get the sci-fi range started. I will then get to the warlod saga, which will have hero level miniatures. These are troop level. When I do those I will also do upgrade sprues for the current range as well as new troop options. I plan to sculpt 3-5 options for each race and a hero for each. I am also aiming for a major improvement and options for each kit. ;)

HiveTrygon
21-09-2008, 19:12
I stole these pictures from The Painted Dragon. A guy named Gareth bought these from me a week ago, wanted the troll and orc before I even posted them for sale. Lives in the UK, and way he is one of the fastest painters with insane skills I have ever seen. He paints all his stuff to this standard and this is just tabletop to him! :eek: Anyway, posting these because I could not wait to hear from him yet. If he gives me the ok I'll be moving them to my main site for a little eye candy. As you can see even my Old school stuff looks fantastic, the slug demon. I think my painting and display of them just stinks.
Anyway, great show Gareth, bravo!

HiveTrygon
21-09-2008, 19:14
The slug demon, again stole from The Painted Dragon, painted by Gareth. I sculpted this beast about 4 months ago. He did a fantastic job.

HiveTrygon
27-09-2008, 19:51
These updates are more detail than major changes.
First up, barbarian:
http://trollsforge.com/workbench/babar1.jpg
The chain mail is getting much better, this guy is 4 times bigger in the pic and it's still very tight here.
http://trollsforge.com/workbench/dwf1.jpg
The dwarf heads all still need the eyes added but the details are very good IMO. I'm trying to push as much as possible with these two kits.

I have the wraith and these two as the new miniatures I plan to add to the store. Next up will be the large demon with mega options and a elf I plan to allow options for 3 different types of elf. Then I can get to work on the anticipated sci-fi stuff. ;)

Braad
27-09-2008, 21:12
That guy who painted your troll and demon is also here on warseer...
Its looking good again. Great sculpting skill.

A few comments:
On the barbarian, I think the middle part, where both his chest muscles meet, still looks a bit square/odd. The rest is fabulous, though!

I got the feeling that the current head on the dwarf, in combination with the beard, looks a bit too tall. Its not really what I would imagine when thinking of dwarves...
Also I think you might have gone a bit OTT with the wings on his helmet. A bit too high. But maybe he wants to compensate for something... :p
I like the looks of the right one of the two other head options!

HiveTrygon
27-09-2008, 21:31
That guy who painted your troll and demon is also here on warseer...
Its looking good again. Great sculpting skill.

A few comments:
On the barbarian, I think the middle part, where both his chest muscles meet, still looks a bit square/odd. The rest is fabulous, though!

I got the feeling that the current head on the dwarf, in combination with the beard, looks a bit too tall. Its not really what I would imagine when thinking of dwarves...
Also I think you might have gone a bit OTT with the wings on his helmet. A bit too high. But maybe he wants to compensate for something... :p
I like the looks of the right one of the two other head options!

I'm glad you made those things pointed out, yes I need nipples for one thing. OOPS :o Then I need a few tiny muscles yet, as for the dwarf I wanted a couple standard heads and a different style head. I'm trying to combine my new style with a little, little bit of that old school thing I love, yet in a way where it slips past. ;) The winged helm is that weird thing from old school influence. I picture dwarfs with these HUGE helmets to make themselves look bigger than they are, this the example. I'm also sculpting this so it should be no problem to snip the wings off and just use the helm. ;) Price will be well worth it.

Nightsword
28-09-2008, 00:08
Barbarian Man and Dwarf Child look stunning buddy. You can't appreciate them until you've actually seen them. I mean, you think the barbarian looks big and tough, but then look at it compared to the width of the base.

:eek:

Nice work mate.

Putty
28-09-2008, 05:37
I must say your sculpts are sharp and fantastically detailed.

I would recommend that your future sculpts have more dynamic poses to enhance the quality of your brilliant sculpting skill.

If you need posing suggestions, just ping me :-D

HiveTrygon
28-09-2008, 15:12
I must say your sculpts are sharp and fantastically detailed.

I would recommend that your future sculpts have more dynamic poses to enhance the quality of your brilliant sculpting skill.

If you need posing suggestions, just ping me :-D

Thank you. These are my first attempt at multi part kits and I'm learning as I go so yes, the poses are not the best. I am not even sure I can make a dwarf look dynamic. :p

The barbarian is going to be outstreching one hand a big flail as one option, and the other will be two weapons. I'm hopeing when they are in place it creates the effect I was looking for, like a crouched slightly holding out weapons look. I picture him sorta ready to strike.

Interested in giving me feedback from my forum? There is a lot going on over there, would love to have you. Comments like this are exactly what I need.
http://trollsforge.proboards83.com/index.cgi?

Nightsword
28-09-2008, 23:12
That pretty much what I asked him! :D

Aurellis
28-09-2008, 23:24
I love the barbarian, his arms look slightly over-proportioned though. Your Slug Daemon is great, the paint job is smooth and there is plenty of detail to keep the most avid painter amused. Great sculpting, I really admire your work

HiveTrygon
29-09-2008, 00:57
I love the barbarian, his arms look slightly over-proportioned though. Your Slug Daemon is great, the paint job is smooth and there is plenty of detail to keep the most avid painter amused. Great sculpting, I really admire your work

Do you mean long or to muscled for the rest? Length is right, I even measured the armature to the length of the body and legs. I think it's the position of the shoulders creating that illusion. I am making the chest slightly less muscled due to the armor options that will be available to be placed on his chest. I'm planning 2 style chest plates that will work as good and evil looking, or smoother and angled and work with the head and helm options. It's turning out to be quite a challenge getting all this stuff to work together and fit just right. :o

Ironbreaker
29-09-2008, 02:20
At first I thought the Troll looked very thin but I like it a lot more having seen it painted so well.
It'd be a good proxy for a Giant.

Nightsword
29-09-2008, 10:53
@ Ironbreaker: It's definately not thin. It's very well proportioned to GW monsters. I also thought about a proxy giant. My brother called it a baby giant :D

HiveTrygon
29-09-2008, 14:48
At first I thought the Troll looked very thin but I like it a lot more having seen it painted so well.
It'd be a good proxy for a Giant.

Well that decorative base is also thick, a very good display base so that raises him up quite a bit. He also is not hunched up like the troll next to him, so over all they might be close to the same height, mine is definately larger though, that was my intent. Wait until I do a giant, well, ettin that has giant options. :eek:

Nightsword
29-09-2008, 15:44
E-e-e-e-ettin?! Like a plague troll ;)

The Troll Forged Giant. That is going to be *huge*

huron
30-09-2008, 11:26
I love that troll and the dwarf looks cool.

HiveTrygon
01-10-2008, 00:42
I'm happy with the dwarf shield. I wanted some showcase of their craftsmanship. not sure about the removable armor for the barbarian. I'm trying to give him options so he can be good, or evil, or neutral. :eyebrows:
http://trollsforge.com/workbench/bararmkitt1.jpg
http://trollsforge.com/workbench/dwfkit1.jpg

Putty
01-10-2008, 05:18
E-e-e-e-ettin?! Like a plague troll ;)

The Troll Forged Giant. That is going to be *huge*

goodness... i have not heard or seen that word since i have stopped playing diablo 2...

HiveTrygon
02-10-2008, 21:25
I have good news, Diablo 3 which will be on the 360! I can't wait for it, might even derail my sculpting for a week or so, love that game so, so much! Anyway, eveil armor option 99.9% done. Horns still need blending. Look at my thumb and the mini, how tiny he is. :eek: I'll do neutral next then good version. Then I'll be molding the wraith, dwarf, and this kit. I'll soon begin the first demon for the range and the elf.
http://trollsforge.com/workbench/evil.jpg
I'm going to do some form of stand in for the Lord of Change first. I am just going nuts thinking of cool creepy ways to improve that idea and have some very cool heads in mind. If anyone wants to give input on that let me know, as well as the elf. ;)

Neknoh
04-10-2008, 13:47
I like the look of them, a few points however.

As far as I can see, the troll loincloth has gotten a bit too rounded, making it look more like a bag from the front and simply wierd from behind, the "bag"-syndrome is also seen on the belly of the troll as it is painted in a different colour.

Barbarian looks good, wondering a bit about the pose, the right arm seems a bit off to me in its positioning. Other than that, looks ace.

The dwarf, finally, I feel that the heads you have shown on the dwarf are too thinn, there is no long and slightly wave-y hair that fills them out either.

Hadriel Caine
04-10-2008, 13:54
wow, that barbarian is sick! love the removable armour.

HiveTrygon
04-10-2008, 14:51
I think I see what you mean about the dwarf heads, would some cheek fat make them a little thicker looking to you?

Troll, well that casting is painted by Gareth and he chose to make the belly lighter than the rest of the skin, sooo I think that's the problem, rest is done and not much I can do with him. The loin cloth had to be slightly thick for casting purposes, and as for bag like, look close at the parts joining the rings into his skin and the cloth. It's human hands holding the rings. I pictured this skin all stitched up together. :evilgrin:

Neknoh
04-10-2008, 19:35
I would say yes, not much, but some more underneath the eyes to remove the skeletal look, I would then tell you to try and add some hair to the one with the helmet, I think both of those would fix it adequately, an old dwarf CAN be skinny, but then there should be hair to broaden the appearance of the skull.

HiveTrygon
04-10-2008, 20:08
I would say yes, not much, but some more underneath the eyes to remove the skeletal look, I would then tell you to try and add some hair to the one with the helmet, I think both of those would fix it adequately, an old dwarf CAN be skinny, but then there should be hair to broaden the appearance of the skull.

I think I fixed them, so you will get some pictures soon. I saw what you meant finally and they look fantastic now, I think you will be happy to see the new heads. ;)

Neknoh
04-10-2008, 20:49
Oh don't keep shinies to yourself Hive! Give, now! :p

Do you have any suggestions as to how to model? Top three things to think about because I have several different RP books filled with artwork and I've also got my own imaging in my head, but I can't draw, so figured I might as well sculpt instead, I'm better with clay than with a brush.

HiveTrygon
04-10-2008, 21:04
What do you think, I think much better. I still have to fix the rivits and stuff on the helm but I think you were right and I hope you approve. ;)
http://trollsforge.com/workbench/dwfhdfin.jpg
This is just to show the armor set 1) all removed and how the bits will be. The skull still is getting some spiked stuff around the edges, the shoulder shull that is.
http://trollsforge.com/workbench/evilarm.jpg
And the orc pics were stolen from painted dragon. Mostyn did a fab job.
Check out mine compared to the GW orc. Yes a true orc.

Neknoh
04-10-2008, 21:14
Yes, just what was needed, they look ace now dude. Keep em coming

HiveTrygon
04-10-2008, 21:20
Yes, just what was needed, they look ace now dude. Keep em coming

You made my day. :D
One more stolen shot.

Messiah
05-10-2008, 00:38
Some of the best chainmail Ive seen. The poses seem a bit static though, I like the sculpts. :)

HiveTrygon
05-10-2008, 01:46
Some of the best chainmail Ive seen. The poses seem a bit static though, I like the sculpts. :)

Thanks, I'm still a little unsure of my anatomy and hope this will change as I get more comfortable with the proportions and muscles. I agree with you 100% on that point. The multi part also seems to limit my ability some just because of variety and getting things to line up correctly. I think when I get that all sorted out things will also improve.

spevna
05-10-2008, 02:53
One thing i have noticed is that the arms you sculpt look better depending on their position relative to the bodies. The muscularity in the arms of the dwarves and the barbarian ( who have their arms close to their bodies) is very, very good whereas the troll and orc (who have raised arms), while well sculpted, seems a little too saggy and soft looking and like the muscles are not tense or hard. Considering they are holding whopping big killy-smashy-crushy things they should be a little more tense.

I recommend checking out bodybuilding websites as they have lots of examples of exaggerated muscularity.

Ive included a picture of a bodybuilder from the 1960's, Sergio Oliva. He was one of only 2 men to beat Arnold. The pics is a great example of heroic proportians as he had a 28 inch waist and 23 inch arms to he basically looked like a GW mini brought to life. Its also a good example of how arms look when tensed overhead.

HiveTrygon
05-10-2008, 05:34
One thing i have noticed is that the arms you sculpt look better depending on their position relative to the bodies. The muscularity in the arms of the dwarves and the barbarian ( who have their arms close to their bodies) is very, very good whereas the troll and orc (who have raised arms), while well sculpted, seems a little too saggy and soft looking and like the muscles are not tense or hard. Considering they are holding whopping big killy-smashy-crushy things they should be a little more tense.

I recommend checking out bodybuilding websites as they have lots of examples of exaggerated muscularity.

Ive included a picture of a bodybuilder from the 1960's, Sergio Oliva. He was one of only 2 men to beat Arnold. The pics is a great example of heroic proportians as he had a 28 inch waist and 23 inch arms to he basically looked like a GW mini brought to life. Its also a good example of how arms look when tensed overhead.

Yep. I know who he is, rumor is he swam from Cuba to the USA, ate eggs and pancakes all the way up to contests. I am looking into some bodybuilding books for more anatomy tips. The barbarian is based off my own body quite a bit, concrete keeps you in shape. I do have problems being way out of proportion though, my arms are HUGE for the rest of my body and always have been. :confused:

HiveTrygon
05-10-2008, 18:33
Ok, this is A) either going to be a hit, or B) hated. I went for a very shaman look for this neutral option. I wanted a kind of crazy witch doctor like look. I am trying to decide if I want 4 options or wait for those when I get to the actual lord armored version.

I really want to pound this guy out so I can get the demon started which has me drooling right about now. I'm ready to go with my new skill and get serious with the large guy's muscles and such. I'm finding it tough to finish the barbarian and not get new parts to far ahead of my old sculpting skill.

If you all hate this option I may just scratch it and do another neutral. I like it myself, looks sorta crazy I think, and fits so well I do not even need glue! :D

spevna
05-10-2008, 23:30
The skull on top is a bit too big and, because its facing up you have trouble seeing what it really is. How about smaller, perhaps resing on a top-knot and facing forward?

HiveTrygon
05-10-2008, 23:41
The skull on top is a bit too big and, because its facing up you have trouble seeing what it really is. How about smaller, perhaps resing on a top-knot and facing forward?

Yeah, I cut it off. It did not look right. I might just use it like you said with a top knot. Not 100% sur how that is going to work yet. :eyebrows:

EvilMonkee
06-10-2008, 20:31
I dunno why but the Dwarf head with helmet just still doesn't look right - can't place my finger on it - the alternate heads in the back ground look superb though and I would like to see more of them.

Neknoh
07-10-2008, 01:11
I would almost dabble it's the nose ring that makes it look kind of "out there" also, an addition of chainmail to around the neck below the edge of the helmet might help further, if he wears a chainmail coif, it would also explain the lack of visible hair but the presence of a mighty beard and a mighty set of eyebrows

HiveTrygon
07-10-2008, 01:22
I would almost dabble it's the nose ring that makes it look kind of "out there" also, an addition of chainmail to around the neck below the edge of the helmet might help further, if he wears a chainmail coif, it would also explain the lack of visible hair but the presence of a mighty beard and a mighty set of eyebrows
That's a great suggestion! If I do it would be scale mail though to follow the body armor. Could you give suggestions? If I did chain mail how would I work that into the body?

HiveTrygon
18-10-2008, 17:40
Here is a shot of the barbarian options in progress. I left the little armor bits off so you could see the other options with the kit. I'm trying to make some a little subtle so they work with several options. I'm also doing heads with just open faced helms, one with braided beard.
http://trollsforge.com/workbench/barbwipvar1.jpg
I also started doing some sketches for my vanilla demon which is going to be brought up to my latest sculpting standard, lots of little new tricks and such I figured out. :evilgrin:

HiveTrygon
19-10-2008, 23:38
Ok, started the style of the demon, very striated and such, legs to start with, just the begining.
http://trollsforge.com/workbench/demwip1.jpg
People might not like this, so I started a very little bit just to get the impression across. I could also do him with normal muscles and a less striated look.

rikard
20-10-2008, 00:04
Looking very good, I personally think the striated look on the demon is a good call, the design is very different from a lot of other demons and fits nicely, I was thinking of using a similar technique for the armour on the demon princess.

HiveTrygon
20-10-2008, 00:24
Looking very good, I personally think the striated look on the demon is a good call, the design is very different from a lot of other demons and fits nicely, I was thinking of using a similar technique for the armour on the demon princess.

Well that settles it, if you approve I'll follow through on this one and try something different on another demon. :D

HiveTrygon
22-10-2008, 01:46
2 more pictures for you. Demon anatomy is a little more easy to see now. Will start thigh and lower foot next. I also made a few changes to the barbarian and a few more options. All wip and need horns on helms, rivits, etc yet.
http://trollsforge.com/workbench/demnew1.jpg
http://trollsforge.com/workbench/baropt1.jpg

Rabid Bunny 666
22-10-2008, 01:55
Still looking good HT, one thing i'd do to the helmets is emphasise the visors, perhaps make them either deeper or put a rim around them.

Looking forwards to the Daemon, it looks kickass :D

HiveTrygon
22-10-2008, 01:59
Still looking good HT, one thing i'd do to the helmets is emphasise the visors, perhaps make them either deeper or put a rim around them.

Looking forwards to the Daemon, it looks kickass :D

Will do, I like rims around helms as well, just not figured out how to do them all in one go yet. :eyebrows: I will also be adding rivets to them. I did the dwarf helm with a few and a trim around the bottom and it looks real good.

Should mold these up soon and get some resin shots.

Xenoid
28-10-2008, 23:31
Striated musculature - the way to go with daemons. Thanks for coming up with the Idea (with big I). :)

HiveTrygon
09-11-2008, 00:46
Latest barbarian warrior options.
http://trollsforge.com/workbench/barbarianoptions1.jpg

HiveTrygon
09-11-2008, 23:16
This kit will be sick:
http://trollsforge.com/workbench/demlegs1.jpg
2-3 torsos, loads of optional armor bits, wings and jump pack wing options, no wing options, 2-3 sets of arms, at least 8 heads, tail and loin cloth options and loads of other tiny spikes and such to choose from. It's going to be epic.
:evilgrin:

MF3000
10-11-2008, 03:18
This is some crazy stuff - I just can't think of anything to say, other than, bloody good job lol.

sj

HiveTrygon
14-11-2008, 17:16
1st torso of the bucnh, still very wip. Just gives you an idea how it will tie together in parts.
http://trollsforge.com/workbench/demtrso1.jpg

Braad
14-11-2008, 17:39
I was thinking, when you have a model like the barbarian you got all kinds of options. The only thing that is the same is the body. If you would make additional different bodies (to sell seperately ofcourse :)), to mix with the rest, you get a nice variety in models...

HiveTrygon
14-11-2008, 17:56
I agree, that is the plan sooner or later. I'm trying to fill out the store a bit first with a few kits but improve them each time so it's not as simple as it seems. Very time consuming and a lot of time just trying to figure things out is not seen in the log. ;)

I'll be doing a few sci-fi guy's after the demon and elf, then I plan to do an ogre box where you can make mutant or regular ogre. Followed by some large armored norsemen with crazy evil armor. :evilgrin:

HiveTrygon
15-11-2008, 15:19
Belt for the demon torso 1. I decided an armored version, rotten version, this one, and a techno virus version with tubes and stuff eating away at the torso from the back to front. :evilgrin: I'm happy with the belt, looks a lot better in person, the skulls are so even and look like perfect little progressions of large to small, hard to see here.
http://trollsforge.com/workbench/demtrso2.jpg

Nightsword
16-11-2008, 01:24
It's not hard to see here, it's brilliant. If its even better in person, then you should probably have exploded by now. To me, at the moment, he looks like he should have a serpentine head, like a yuan-ti or something. Just has that snake/dragon feel about it, like a giant stalker lizard.

And the barbarian kit is fantastic, you surpass yourself with each update ;)

HiveTrygon
17-11-2008, 00:08
First loin cloth, 3min:
http://trollsforge.com/tutorial/tut4.jpg
http://trollsforge.com/tutorial/tut5.jpg
tutorial:
http://trollsforge.proboards83.com/index.cgi?board=sculpt&action=display&thread=188&page=1

HiveTrygon
19-11-2008, 01:13
Now you can see the chest beefed in with the ball in socket joints:
http://trollsforge.com/workbench/demsock.jpg

HiveTrygon
22-11-2008, 21:31
Ok, now before you say anything I know the shoulder and chest tie ins are not perfect and have a split, nothing I can do. Very simple thing to fill and make work if you are picky. Fits well on it's own, those are just plugged there, no glue.

Anyway, this is even adjustable so you can move the arms quite a bit and they seem reasonable, my main goal. When you, or if, you pick armor shoulder pad bits for this it will hide those joints anyway.

Well on with picks, was very difficult to work this out so I hope it is at least acceptable, if not I might have to make the joint at the forearm which would limit the kit a lot.

fingers crossed:
http://trollsforge.com/workbench/demarm.jpg

Nightsword
23-11-2008, 01:08
Oh christ, i just remembered this thing is going to have wings too :eek: Amazing work.

HiveTrygon
25-11-2008, 01:26
I guess I should make a new thread for this guy because of the sheer variety but anyway arms done almost:
http://trollsforge.com/workbench/demonwarm1.jpg
Have the hoofed legs blocked in will do muscles and hair tomorrow, finished intestine and split open stomach on the rotted torso and his ultra detailed spine. I'll get pictures of the torso when the man breasts and back fat is all worked in. :evilgrin:

Then I want to do the rune torso, was thinking of a series of spirals coming off from the back and progresively getting smaller etc. :o

Lord Azoth
25-11-2008, 09:15
why the belt is made from a differente putty?, and which is it?..
thanks mate..and keep on surprising us

HiveTrygon
25-11-2008, 23:20
why the belt is made from a differente putty?, and which is it?..
thanks mate..and keep on surprising us

Belt is brown stuff, slightly harder and you can get sharper edges. I wanted that for the rings at the top and bottom of the skulls. ;)

Lord Azoth
26-11-2008, 09:32
thanks a lot for the explanation

Tommygun
26-11-2008, 09:45
HiveTrygon, do you feel that brown stuff is better than Milliput?
I have noticed you never see it used with green stuff.
Is there a compatibility problem between the two?
-Tom.

HiveTrygon
29-11-2008, 09:25
HiveTrygon, do you feel that brown stuff is better than Milliput?
I have noticed you never see it used with green stuff.
Is there a compatibility problem between the two?
-Tom.

No I just do not like the gritty feel. I have mixed apoxie sculpt with green stuff and it works as well. I just prefer to mix apoxie sculpt with green stuff if I do 2 putty mixes. Brown stuff is also a little stickier and as I smooth things a lot I have a hard time getting miliput to stick to the green stuff.

EDIT:
here is a shot showing things moved around parts will fit better when finished:
http://trollsforge.com/workbench/demmore1.jpg