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Rich
23-04-2005, 10:49
Does anyone have any info for or against the release of plastic scout models with the new BT codex? I ask because they are one of the few troop choices across the board which do not have models in plastic (grots being the most obvious other one).

It also seems to me that for a release just before christmas, it would be sensible to have a release that would appeal to marine players across the board, and also of course to us crazy imperial guard players who want to convert them into carapace armoured guardsmen :D

Wraith
23-04-2005, 11:01
Rumour has it (well slightly better than rumour IMHO) that plastic scouts are coming out for the BT along with the plastic assault terminators.

Brimstone
23-04-2005, 11:41
Well it's still just a rumour IMO and I'm yet to be convinced, but we'll have to wait and see.


It also seems to me that for a release just before christmas, it would be sensible to have a release that would appeal to marine players across the board.

Apart from the assault terminators you mean.

Jonathan =I=
23-04-2005, 11:45
Im going to hate it when the plastic assault terminators come out as there will be a swarm of people building up all lightning squads and popping them into crusaders with a chaplain. Im the only one doing it now :(

O well Im just hoping the plastic scouts look good and dont go the same way as the Catachans.

philbrad2
23-04-2005, 12:24
Well it's still just a rumour IMO and I'm yet to be convinced, but we'll have to wait and see.

Me too as much as I'd like to see them I've taken plastic scout rumour with a large pinch of sodium chloride. Still reckon it would be cheaper for GW to make more metal scouts to suppliment the existing (still excellent) models.

Mind you ... I was sceptical at Nids coming out after 4th ed SM's .. oh hum... ;)

:cool:

Wraith
23-04-2005, 13:34
Well I'm onyl basing my 'slightly better than rumour' comments on one source back when the Tyranid rumours were coming to light whom claimed to have seen the said plastic scouts.

[***Searches personal quote archive***]

I haven't got the poster's name but this is the exact quote -



The ymargl stealers are similar to the drawing above but with the normal crown of a stealer, there were 2 variants with varying size tentacles.

The guard are STUNNING!!!! they are like the biovores (san' nuts hanging down) but are built like bricks! If you imagine the way body guards should be; stooped in reverance for their boss but meaty enogh to step in and avert danger.

The carnifex is the size of a rhino as is the tyrant! you will notice that most of the head designs are like the old biovore but with more fine lines and higher detail. The carapace theme of the current fex is also prevelant through the whole range.

I have also remebered seeing some MARINE SCOUTS!! they were in early stages but are def being done. The plastic gargoyles are not on the cards i am afraid.

Lostanddamned
23-04-2005, 19:01
Someone on mail order told me that "he could not confirm this excellent choice" when we were discussing new space marine plastics and i asked about scouts, this could be a hint.

grave digger
23-04-2005, 19:41
"I have also remebered seeing some MARINE SCOUTS!! they were in early stages but are def being done."

There could be a slight chance that what he saw were early stages of the FW Drop Troops. They have a slight Scout type look.

Diggs

t-tauri
23-04-2005, 19:50
They could also have been greens or resins of the metal missile launcher scout and anything else that was being worked on. I don't know they'd sell enough scouts to justify them being released in plastic.

Nazguire
23-04-2005, 23:05
I think that the Scouts just need more poses than the generic superman ones they have now. More action based poses like the missile launcher Scout and possibly a new heavy bolter Scout (IMO it looks really bad but thats just me) wouldn't go astray. No need to make them plastic, just release a boxed set of 10 with a missile launcher, power fist/weapon armed sergeant and a couple of sniper rifle armed Scouts and ta da!

Rich
23-04-2005, 23:59
Personally, I far prefer painting and modelling plasic minatures to metal ones, and I would buy plastic scouts in any case. I also think that with a scout unit available in plastic, they would become a far more common choice in any case. The way that scout models are mixed in with regular marines in BT squads would also justify their release in plastic.

New Cult King
24-04-2005, 01:51
With the Cadians being done so well in plastic, GW really do not have an excuse for not doing Scouts in plastic. We don't need all the detail molded onto the body - give us a sprue full of puches, grenades, scopes, ammo clips, etc and let us make them how we like!

Give us commsets and binoculars and knives and stuff, so we can make totally kitted out type Scouts, which is how they should be. Give us ball and socket joints, and just watch the poses and conversions we can come up with. Give us some alternate heads with visors and scout helmets (whatever they might look like)...

Plastic scouts could be absolutely awesome.

Tulkas
24-04-2005, 10:42
I agree with New Cult King, just chuck in a bunch of bits on a sprue, and watch what we can do with it. Just as long as these scouts look like they can remain behind enemy lines for months/ years and I'm happy!

Brimstone
24-04-2005, 10:51
I agree with New Cult King, just chuck in a bunch of bits on a sprue, and watch what we can do with it. Just as long as these scouts look like they can remain behind enemy lines for months/ years and I'm happy!

Yes any scout sprue should include those bits it would look cool but that's not the scouts only task, they are also dropped ahead of the main marine invasion forces to sow discord and terror so I'd like to see bits to cover this as well (not just a clean configuration).

Must have loads of sniper rifles as well.

Dante
24-04-2005, 11:46
I was told by a GW-Store Manager that Scouts in plastics are coming out along with the Black Templars. But we all know how much thatīs worth... :D :rolleyes:

I would love it though, would make it far easier to make those Wolf Scouts look good... :cool:

Tulkas
24-04-2005, 11:53
Well keep in mind that, even in a Sci-Fi universe as 40K, operations like that will take one to more weeks to have any effect.
Personal militairy field exercises have tought me that there's a lot of things you'll have with you if you go into the field for a few days, never mind a series of weeks/ months. I know you weren't disagreeing with my previous post, but I just wanted to make this clear.

He Who Laughs
24-04-2005, 11:56
And it would make all Scout Armies (bar the HQ) a viable option. It's always been one of those armies that I'd like to make, but the current cost is prohibative.

With a bit of conversion it would be easy to make humvee-esque vehicles (as Landspeeders) and dune-buggies (as Attack Bikes). You'd be able to make an army similar to real-world SAS/SEAL/Commando without the restrictions of having an awkward HQ wandering around (ala Imp. Guard Grenadier Force). But I digress from the topic.

Wow, I'm starting to get inspired by this - *crosses fingers and starts chanting "Plastic Scouts, plastic scouts, plastic scouts..." :)

philbrad2
24-04-2005, 15:23
I'd be happy if GW put out a scout sgt with a sniper rifle!!!

So ok if they come out with BT's I'm taking bets on their being an accessory sprue to turn them into Wolf Scouts when the woofs 'dex comes out :D

:cool:

The Judge
24-04-2005, 15:46
Scout helmets would be a cool idea - kinda like the SoB's ones I'd imagine.

Baggers
24-04-2005, 16:52
As far as I know there not schedule to be released with the Black Templar codex, but then I don't think we will see a Black Templar book yet. Maybe one of the other chapters. first.

Gregorus
24-04-2005, 17:35
but then, why have they relased the metal ML scout, if they were already working on a plastic set, which could easily incorporate that as a weapon option?

Tulkas
24-04-2005, 17:50
Well if anyone cares for it, I say it'd be a great idea to finally make plastic Scouts. I'm more than happy with my plastic Terminators (http://photobucket.com/albums/v197/Trollslayer/Terminators/?action=view&current=Termysquadunp.jpg), and I'm certain Scouts will be done to the same level if they let Mr. Goodwin at it. The most important thing, besides the already mentioned equipment, would be tactical poses for the Scouts. You don't get very far behind enemy lines standing upright all day long you know.

But another thing to consider, is that Scouts have such a huge variety of weapons that they can have (compared to the other Marine units in the army). And to make all the options possible, they have to make a lot of sprues which won't be used. And to solve that, I thought of the following: Two squads. A Scout Combat squad and a Scout Tactical squad. In the Combat Squad you would have the Shotguns and the Boltpistol&CCW options. In the Tactical Squad you would find Sniper Rifles and Bolters. The Heavy Bolter Scouts and the Missile launcher Scouts would have to be available in blisters. Possible box sizes would be either 5 (most likely) or 10 (less likely) per box. The other options with these boxes would be the scout poses. The models in the Combat box can be as the currently available scouts, and the scouts in the Tactical box can be more.... tactical (think crouching, lying down, etc.)

Anyways, that's my 2ct.

StrainX
24-04-2005, 18:15
The way scouts are priced on ebay, I don't know whey people wouldn't buy them and use them as they are. Hell, I had too many scouts, and remember selling them for an average of $1/scout on ebay, brand new.

Wintermute
24-04-2005, 18:59
As far as I know there not schedule to be released with the Black Templar codex, but then I don't think we will see a Black Templar book yet. Maybe one of the other chapters. first.

I think we will see a BT Codex after the Nid Codex (and I've been told as much).

I'm not sure about the plastic scouts though, unless they appear as a chapter specific sprue in order to produce a BT Tactical Squad Box similar to the Space Wolves boxes.

Brimstone
24-04-2005, 19:11
but then, why have they relased the metal ML scout, if they were already working on a plastic set, which could easily incorporate that as a weapon option?

Because maybe they want you to buy metal scouts as well?

The power armoured marines don't include all the weapon options you have to buy metal heavy weapons as well.

They may decide to do a command sprue in a similar fashion to the tacticals containing sgt equipment and a heavy weapon maybe a heavy bolter.

Wraith
24-04-2005, 19:26
Those terminator conversions are very cool Tulkas especially the guy with the lightning claw and combi-melta.

Ornithoticus
24-04-2005, 19:49
it would definately make sense to release plastic scouts with the BT for all of the novices in BT squads. however these can only have CCW and bolt pistol so why would GW do all of the weapon options

Rich
24-04-2005, 20:03
it would definately make sense to release plastic scouts with the BT for all of the novices in BT squads. however these can only have CCW and bolt pistol so why would GW do all of the weapon options

For the sake of completeness?

I can however see them doing something along the lines of what they did with the terminator squad, and limiting the number of sniper rifles etc. you get in the box so that you have to buy two boxes to have two of each weapon - so say the box contains five plastic scouts, it might have only two sniper rifles and you would have to have two boxes to make a full unit equipped with them..... either that, ot they may just decide not to release the sniper rifles in plastic - could just make the scout box set the basic bolter or pistol/ccw.

Ornithoticus
24-04-2005, 20:10
that goes back to the tactical/combat box sets that was suggested earlier

Brimstone
24-04-2005, 20:43
it would definately make sense to release plastic scouts with the BT for all of the novices in BT squads. however these can only have CCW and bolt pistol so why would GW do all of the weapon options

Look at the new terminators by changing one sprue they can get both Tactical & Assault units.

Enables GW to discontinue a load of metal models with just three sprues or so.

Lady Bastet
24-04-2005, 21:04
I thought Black Templars were not clever enough to use Scouts, does that mean their background is being changed?

Rabid Bunny 666
24-04-2005, 21:05
those termies are nice, Tulkas, even if the sarge isn't legal...

it would make sense to have plastic scouts, but maybe games workshop could change neophytes from scouts as i can't picture them to be fully fledged scouts

Brimstone
24-04-2005, 21:16
I thought Black Templars were not clever enough to use Scouts, does that mean their background is being changed?

They use Neophytes mixed in their squads which scout models are used for.

Ornithoticus
24-04-2005, 21:35
maybe there will just be a few neophte scoutes on a BT accessory sprue in their box set, just offering it as a possibility

t-tauri
24-04-2005, 21:49
maybe there will just be a few neophte scoutes on a BT accessory sprue in their box set, just offering it as a possibility
Plastic sprues cost upwards of Ģ50k to even start making. They need to be sure they can sell loads to recoup the start up costs. A few plastic scouts bundled in with a tac squad wouldn't be enough.

A new scout squad with the options all on one sprue would be cost effective but I think plastic scouts will be saved for a later Marine release, perhaps coming with the Space Wolves as they are the other chapter with specialised scout formations. If you're hoping for more than the Assault Terminators and a BT specific sprue with the codex you're more optimistic than me.

Ornithoticus
24-04-2005, 21:56
thanks for clearing that up, btw i was only suggesting it as a possibility, i thought that it was unlikely aswell,