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Mercer
30-07-2008, 12:51
Ok I've just finished the Ultramarines omibus, which contains the Nightbringer novel. At the end, Captain Ventris takes the Nightbringer's metal key which can summon the Bringer of Darkness ship back from the warp to vaults Macragge.

Now, with such a important Necron piece of technology contained on Macragge is it possible that a large fleet of Necrons, and possible the Nightbringer would attack Macragge to secure the key once more? After all the Nightbringer needs it greatly, and only fled instead of being buried under 10 kilometers of rock - live to fight another day.

Of course the Necrons have to find its where abouts first.

Thoughts.

Mercer

Dominus_Serui
30-07-2008, 14:20
Given that the Necrons have made suicidal runs against the Mars Defense Grid to get at whatever is sitting beneath the planets surface...be it a C'tan or not...I wouldn't put it past them to go after a C'tan artifact on the bidding of one of their gods.

KrisPicman
30-07-2008, 15:09
That would be an awesome campaign. Totally brilliant post Mecer.

Mercer
30-07-2008, 16:12
Well the Necron codex it out possibly next year, and Ultramarines are GW's flag ship models....................

Mercer

pookie
31-07-2008, 11:19
hmmm good question, maybe this is when we will start to see some changes in the background.... although ive my own long standing theory on the UM, but the Crons attacking them maybe the start of big changes in the imperium.

Faustburg
31-07-2008, 11:30
Seems like a perfectly good background for battles between the Ultra Marines and Necrons, in the fluff and on the table.

No reason for it to mean "OMG teh Necrons are going to pwn the smurfs and destroy their homeworld and it will be teh next campaign and it will be teh end of the imperium lol" though...

pookie
31-07-2008, 11:46
Seems like a perfectly good background for battles between the Ultra Marines and Necrons, in the fluff and on the table.

No reason for it to mean "OMG teh Necrons are going to pwn the smurfs and destroy their homeworld and it will be teh next campaign and it will be teh end of the imperium lol" though...

erm, who said that? wasnt me.

hmmm good question, maybe this is when we will start to see some changes in the background.... although ive my own long standing theory on the UM, but the Crons attacking them maybe the start of big changes in the imperium.

was what i said, nothing about them getting pwn ( which i dont understand, so use normal speak please, ) or that it was the end of the imperium, just that we would see big changes, i dont think it would be right tho to de rail Mercers thread with my own long standing theory.

Just find Mercers thread may back up my thoughts soemwhat.

Faustburg
31-07-2008, 11:58
I didn't say you did, but I foresee a lot of just that in general :)

Diamond Suns
31-07-2008, 12:07
No reason for it to mean "OMG teh Necrons are going to pwn the smurfs and destroy their homeworld and it will be teh next campaign and it will be teh end of the imperium lol" though...

Lol i don't think GW would let the Ultramarines be destroyed by something as small as some Necrons, plus where talking about the most powerful space marine chapter ever here:evilgrin:, Think they have driven off a complete Tyranid hive fleet and Tyranids in my opinions are far more potent killers then Necrons. No doubt tho it would make a great story line to a campaign , imagine it Marneous Calagar VS The NightBringer(i'm backing the Nightbringer tho;)). I think the Necrons would attack the Ultramarines even if it where just a suicidal run to oblivion.

AND THEIR NOT SMURFS THEY JUST LIVE ON BLUEBERRIES, OK???? :eek:

Neknoh
31-07-2008, 12:15
Nightbringer triggers activation of more powerful Necron units, bringing them out of stasis, this gives crons new units in armybook.

Nightbringer does this to prepare an assault on Macragge. Necrons swoop in with huge fleet, blows away planet and grabs key, Ultramarines as a chapter survives but now darker, grittier and more bitter they rebuild. Nightbringer summons ship, Imperial Space Marine chapters start to breach the law of numbers, producing more and more Space Marines in preparation for the threat to come, not liked by the inquisition that starts to act up against space Marine chapters. Space Marines officially removes themselves from any and all imperial creed that we know and now act as separate independant forces much moreso than they did before. Aiding the ones they see proper to aid, still having the emperor as their god/inspiration etc.

Just when we thought 40k couldn't get darker... I need to write this as a series of shortstories or something xD

The Anarchist
31-07-2008, 12:41
would be a very good campagin, afterall much of the Imperium would rush to help the Smurfs. but i doubt this would ever be a campagin as bit difficult to get all the factions involved with plausible stroylines. eldar would help or at least battle with the Imperium to defeat some Crons, chaos might get involved to get some power in the segmentium, and nids are always nearby so can be easily written in. but bit hard to get the Tau, DE and the others involved.
A book concerning this plot though might be a good idea, maybe Uriel Ventris has made a nemisis more than he relasied lol.
as for the idea that such a campgain would change the background, or build some new fluff, its hugly! unlikly. a logical consequence would be Smurfs changing over rigid adherence to codex, or spliting to form the Ultramar Republic. but GW seems determined not to move beyond 41st melenium or have any rela fluff growth, it would be nice though :D

pookie
31-07-2008, 13:13
I didn't say you did, but I foresee a lot of just that in general :)

ok sorry, my bad :D

Griffty
31-07-2008, 14:23
It would be an interesting update for the ultras, since their location in space mainly puts them up against nids and orks, with abit of arguing down the town hall with tau planning officials (zoning for the cousins)

btw, Mercer - what did you make of the book?

thechosenone
01-08-2008, 01:58
I read Nightbringer about a month ago. The book is great but like all books with Necrons don't expect the necrons to be on stage till the last chapter. Nightbringer is a great book because you see so much interaction and background for an imperial world and how it all works. The Cartels are awesome.

Also dark eldar show up and do nothing to expand on what we know of dark eldar. good good.

Mercer
06-08-2008, 11:31
I think if something would happen it would be like battle for macragge, which the Ultras got a whooping, but they pulled through.

Also, another interesting one. Apparently the Golden Throne was discovered on Mars, what if that throne belonged to a certain technology gifted C'Tan? And he wanted it back.

So the Necro's, along with the big bad Dragon troop off to Earth :)

Griffty, pm sent.

Mercer

Jade_Dragon
06-08-2008, 17:42
So the Necro's, along with the big bad Dragon troop off to Earth :)


Well the Necrons IMHO are the only ones who have any reasonable chance of a sucessfull assault on the Imperial Palace on Earth.

Col.Gravis
06-08-2008, 19:10
Just outa curiousity I did look on the various Galaxy maps in the new rulebook, with the comment in mind from the Studio Podcast that you might be able to pick up on directions that GW was taking from some of those maps, Maccragge features no Necron activity at this point in time though, not to say that rules anything out, but certainly if its something they had planned thats one I'd expect to see a correlation over.

I think it does pay to remember that BL should'nt be taken at face value all the time, much of it is'nt canon. Interesting idea none the less, but I think the Ultramarines will remain arch enemy of the 'nids in the Eastern Fringe for the time being.

Mercer
07-08-2008, 12:23
Well the Necrons IMHO are the only ones who have any reasonable chance of a sucessfull assault on the Imperial Palace on Earth.

The only xeno race to come even close to Earth, is in fact the Necrons, which is when they landed on Mars. Thats if I'm not mistaken.

Mercer

Mercer
07-08-2008, 12:44
Well the Necrons IMHO are the only ones who have any reasonable chance of a sucessfull assault on the Imperial Palace on Earth.

The only xeno race to come even close to Earth, is in fact the Necrons, which is when they landed on Mars. Thats if I'm not mistaken.

Mercer

ThorOdensson
07-08-2008, 13:07
With the likely increases in defences post Behemoth, The Necrons might not even make planetfall like they did on Mars. Never underestimate just how overboard the Ultramarines might have gone after almost losing their homeworld.

Personally I think it would be great for the Tau to send a fleet to Ultramar in an attempt to show their strength to the Imperium (i.e. a dont <bleep> with us fleet) which promptly gets wasted in short order leaving no survivors with the Ultramarines transmitting vids of the horribly one-sided battle back to Tau space.

Would be good to see the Tau realise that they have been poking a sleeping juggernaut.

Mercer
07-08-2008, 15:17
Possibly. But the Tau may respect the Ultramarines as Marneus let them leave a planet before it was virus bombed.

Though the actually discussion was more about the Necrons attacking, due to the fact that the key to pull the Nightbringer's ship from the warp resides in their vaults, after being capture by Captain Uriel Ventris of the 4th Company.

Mercer

ThorOdensson
09-08-2008, 13:27
Possibly. But the Tau may respect the Ultramarines as Marneus let them leave a planet before it was virus bombed.

Though the actually discussion was more about the Necrons attacking, due to the fact that the key to pull the Nightbringer's ship from the warp resides in their vaults, after being capture by Captain Uriel Ventris of the 4th Company.

Mercer

If it was an attack of a similar scale to the attack on Mars, I doubt it would stand a chance. Larger scale attack maybe.

Achor
09-08-2008, 20:52
Im pretty sure if Necrons where to attack Macragge they would use a larger fleet if it was an actual proper attack. The way it is written the 'attack' on Mars wasnt really an attack but what seemed like reconnaissance of sorts, as they only used 5(?) Shroud class ships which i believe are only escorts and not designed for fighting but instead being hard to detect.

With a proper fleet (with The Nightbringer) i think Macragge could take alot of damage and the device may even be recovered. A final outcome i wouldnt dare comment on though.

silence
09-08-2008, 21:22
It would definatly make for an interesting campaign, and probably an accompanying book. However I doubt GW will pursue this avenue of advancement as any victory by the necrons and weakening of the smurfs would have too far reaching consequences for the eastern fringe, and possibly the imperium as a whole.

Still it's a shame, as I'd love to see the nightbringer try (and possibly succede) to smite ultramar.

Mr.terminatorbob
09-08-2008, 22:09
I'd love to see 2nd company get smitted by the Nightbringer. They just annoy me so much....

However, if the Nightbringer wants the key back, then Macragge would be attacked, with horrendous losse's on every one. The Tau would come to gather information on the Necrons living metal, the Black Leggion would possibly come just to wreck with the Ultra's, orks and nid's are easy to throw in, same with the rest of the Imperuim, then theirs only Eldar..

Ghost Of Caliban
11-08-2008, 03:51
what is it with Macragge? first the nids and tau and now the necrons.
don't get me wrong I'm ALL for seeing the Umarines getting a kicking and giving one in return but when will the evidence about guilliman see the light of day? he broke up allk the otiher legions so he could keep the Umarines whole and hiding in his own private feifdom...

Xisor
11-08-2008, 04:07
With respect to the "tau send a fleet to macragge" idea, it'd take an horrendously stupid move and a whole series of stupid decisions for a small and easily beaten tau fleet to get close enough in to macgragge to be utterly destroyed in a large battle. Rather, if things did go that way, surely the Tau would flee when it first becomes evident there's no way of winning!

(The tau know the potency of the various ship-profils of the Imperium: Cruiser = tough cookie, battleship= bloody huge etc. They also know their own ships' potencies and have reportedly awesome shipyards. Much more likely would be an Ultramarine/BFUltramar victory, but a very costly one. And I, for one, don't want to see Macragge being weakened much nor do I want to see there being all sorts of silly moves.)

A necron attack on ultrmar? Sure, I can buy that. Similarly: Necron attacks against artefact worlds, museums and research outposts of the Tau Empire are long overdue, IMO.

Edit: Ghost of Caliban? Keep the Ultramarines whole?! Yes, from presumably twenty thousand marines down to little over one thousand. Yes, that's keeping them whole. Sounds to me like someone's chaffing at Guilliman curiosly deciding not to blow up his own homeworld... :p

Ghost Of Caliban
11-08-2008, 05:13
pure speculation my man, they control one of the most important sectors in the imperium it would be stupid to cull them so, of course this is totally baseless but they are just too "good" all the first founding have something wrong with them in one way or another, I'm thinking theirs is just a bit of number fudging and a superiority complex taht makes it ok...just saying.

azimaith
11-08-2008, 06:27
The only xeno race to come even close to Earth, is in fact the Necrons, which is when they landed on Mars. Thats if I'm not mistaken.

Mercer

The three shroud class light cruisers that breached mars defenses are hardly the closest they've come to terra. Theres a necron tomb *on* mars where something nasty is sleeping, presumably the C'tan "Void Dragon". The necrons basically live under Terras doormat.

As for the nightbringer attacking macragge, I don't think its necessarily a "clean sweep" sort of situation despite necron power because essentially *everyone* other than the night bringer will be against him. The deciever doesn't want big brother night any more powerful (and hungry) than he already is, much less recovering his "greatest weapon" from the warp.

DarkAzrael169
11-08-2008, 06:45
I'd love to see 2nd company get smitted by the Nightbringer. They just annoy me so much....

However, if the Nightbringer wants the key back, then Macragge would be attacked, with horrendous losse's on every one. The Tau would come to gather information on the Necrons living metal, the Black Leggion would possibly come just to wreck with the Ultra's, orks and nid's are easy to throw in, same with the rest of the Imperuim, then theirs only Eldar..

The Eldar have their reasons to go too. They don't want the Nightbringer to get anymore powerful. Besides, Necrons and Chaos(Slaanesh in particular) are their arch enemies. They would go to make sure the key stays away from the Necrons. Dark Eldar would come along for same reasons, plus to just pillage, rape, burn and raid; the usuals.

Mercer
11-08-2008, 11:46
The three shroud class light cruisers that breached mars defenses are hardly the closest they've come to terra. Theres a necron tomb *on* mars where something nasty is sleeping, presumably the C'tan "Void Dragon". The necrons basically live under Terras doormat.

As for the nightbringer attacking macragge, I don't think its necessarily a "clean sweep" sort of situation despite necron power because essentially *everyone* other than the night bringer will be against him. The deciever doesn't want big brother night any more powerful (and hungry) than he already is, much less recovering his "greatest weapon" from the warp.

No, I mean Necrons are the only xeno's which have this close to Terra, to my knowledge.

But from what you've just said then the tomb on Mars is also the same distance away as the fleet, as the fleet crashed on Mars. So both Necron forces are the same distance away from Earth.

I agree, the Golden D wouldn't be too chuffed with this, and would possibly aid the UM's in another form. Maybe.

Mercer

DarkAzrael169
12-08-2008, 02:00
Pretty much everyone is against the Necrons for various (Important) reasons, hell even other Necrons will stop the Nightbringer.

Grimbad
12-08-2008, 03:44
One of the major ork empires is starting to invade Ultramar already, as of Codex: Orks. It would be really ridiculous for GW to have all the aliens invade macragge at the same time.
Then again, Medusa IV was ridiculous like that...

MarinesInSpace
12-08-2008, 04:47
GW will never destroy or even completely cripple macragge and the smurfs (my chapter lol) for a number of reasons.

1) Ultramarines are their flagship models, they can't get away with wasting the standard chapter

2) It seems as though Ultramar was created by GW to show what the Imperium might have been had it not been taken over by religious zealots.

3) Were the smurfs to be destroyed, Hive Fleets would have an open lane to steamroll alot of imperial space, thus upsetting GWs beloved status-quo

4) On the topic of the status-quo, when was the last time GW made ANYTHING HAPPEN that totally altered the balance of power in the galaxy or advanced the storyline in any notable way?

Mercer
12-08-2008, 13:17
I didn't say they need to be destroyed, the question would be would the Necrons attack just to gain the key. They could gain entry, and then phase out once the objective has been claimed.

Though GW would never let the Ultramarines go down.

Mercer

Sekhmet
12-08-2008, 19:30
Lol i don't think GW would let the Ultramarines be destroyed by something as small as some Necrons, plus where talking about the most powerful space marine chapter ever here:evilgrin:, Think they have driven off a complete Tyranid hive fleet and Tyranids in my opinions are far more potent killers then Necrons. No doubt tho it would make a great story line to a campaign , imagine it Marneous Calagar VS The NightBringer(i'm backing the Nightbringer tho;)). I think the Necrons would attack the Ultramarines even if it where just a suicidal run to oblivion.

AND THEIR NOT SMURFS THEY JUST LIVE ON BLUEBERRIES, OK???? :eek:

Necrons aren't small by any means. The Ultramarines also aren't the most powerful chapter ever. The Grey Knights individually are far more skilled and better equipped, and probably have equal numbers. The Black Templar probably have 50% more marines than the Ultramarines. The Ultramarines also have NOT driven off a complete hive fleet - they drove off a tiny tendril of the whole. And Marneus Calgar would last maybe 3 seconds against the Nightbringer. Maybe. If he got really lucky.

Godswildcard
12-08-2008, 19:45
I distinctly remember the Nightbringer being too afraid to kill Uriel b/c Uriel held the key hostage. Sorry buddy. Nightbringer against arguably the most skilled tactician in the galaxy and his personal retinue who hold the key and are willing to destroy it..... nightbringer becomes a giant pansy and phases out just to avoid such a thing...
next time gadget....next time.....

Sekhmet
13-08-2008, 00:38
I distinctly remember the Nightbringer being too afraid to kill Uriel b/c Uriel held the key hostage. Sorry buddy. Nightbringer against arguably the most skilled tactician in the galaxy and his personal retinue who hold the key and are willing to destroy it..... nightbringer becomes a giant pansy and phases out just to avoid such a thing...
next time gadget....next time.....

Tactician, possibly. Strategist, no, not by a long shot. You can easily argue that the Deceiver is the best strategist the galaxy has ever known - Eldrad even bows down to him. And as the C'tan are again uniting, I wouldn't put it past the Deceiver to actually fetch the key. Think about it - the greatest enemies to any C'tan are, in order: the Warp, other C'tan, everything else. It'd be silly to think that the Deceiver wouldn't be preparing not only for the coming war with the Imperium/Eldar, Chaos, Orks and Tyranids (nothing else really matters), but to think ahead when the C'tan once again war amongst themselves. The Deceiver could fetch the key (with relative ease) and offer it as a sign of peace between his forces and the Nightbringer's. I'm guessing he'd either use the key first or somehow install a failsafe such that he could destroy the ship when the time came... but it benefits all C'tan for the flagship to return to their service.

And the Nightbringer is not stupid, he made a strategic choice. He has literally millions (if not billions) of years of combat experience. There is no greater intelligence in the 40k universe than any individual C'tan. The reason he didn't attack was quite simple - if the Ultramarines knew what they really had, they'd have destroyed it already. Hell, had Uriel known, he would have sacrificed his life to destroy it rather than risk anything happening. But they don't know what they have.

Vaz84
13-08-2008, 02:11
Ultramarines likely bounced back pretty quick from the nids, just not in the veteran department, they run a tight solar system that has high quality habitable worlds.

As for Nids vs UM, I would guess that at least 40% of active chapters are ultramarine sucessors and would come home to Ultramar if a distress signal was issued. Angry star eating demi-god or not, the night bringer would receive a high amount of pain, if not from material weapons, from the potent ultra marine psykers who have studied the hive mind and may be advanced in terms of their ability to manipulate, and pierce, the warp.

But I tend to be on the bandwagon that yes, the C'tan ONCE were star eating demi-gods who wandered the universe, but their current selves are dry husks compared to the ages of old. A threat to mankind, yes, but nothing that cant be ground down under imperial heels.

horizon
13-08-2008, 08:22
Since Tau are the most reasonable aliens in the neighbourhood the Ultramarines (and successor chapters) will ally with them.

Both together stand a chance against Nids, Orks and other meanies.

Maybe Iyanden will guide this all a little, depleted as they are in the middle of a warzone.

pinegulf
14-08-2008, 06:00
What about this new turn in fluff? I mean in 5th edition manual 'cons change direction completely. There isn't one word about nightbringer and some troops actually gain some centiense.

Were there any incursion against Macragge I'd quess that the actual battle would be fought somewhere else. I'd say the imperium would try to intercept the enemies before the target. (Fighting near the price doesn't make mutch sense to me. Allthou defences may be best there, but so is ultimate defeat.)

Souleater
14-08-2008, 10:04
I agree with Sekhmet, the Deciever is very, very smart.

Better to trick the UM into taking the key somewhere else - the classic it can only be destroyed in the furnance where it was created spiel.

Or mount a commando raid to reclaim it. Necron are ideal for this - teleportation, FTL ships, etc

Certainly not a full out assault.

Equinox
14-08-2008, 18:51
If I were to wager a guess at where this is all going, I would bet things are being set-up for a multi-prong attack by the necrons. Nightbringer heads to Ultramar to get the key while other necron forces move on Mars to free the Dragon. This unprecented assault by the necrons, forces the eldar and tau to support Ultramar, eldar because they understand the implications of the necrons getting the key, while the Tau think it will give them a chance to sieze more territories once the necrons are defeated.

As this is happening, the Dragon will awake on Mars and make a beeline to Earth to lay claim to it. The climax to this story will be the Dragon making its way to the Emperor. As it approaches, the emperor will rise and the two will have an epic battle. In the end, the emperor will win and the dragon, along with the invading necron forces, will be forced to flee. The emperor will be victorious but forced to return to stasis on the golden throne, which can be repaired thanks to some discovery made in the Dragon's tomb.

As for the Nightbringer, his quest for the key fails. In part, it fails because the eldar have been manipulating the Ork invasion of the sector in anticipation of the necron invasion. (Basically the eldar created a meat shield of orks to throw at the necrons) Also, the forces of Chaos haven't forgotten how the necrons aided the Imperium during the last black crusade. They somehow steal the key away themselves and move/take it deeper into the warp. Its clear though that the actions of chaos are in no way meant as a benefit to the imperium, but are an act of vengence and a grab at power.

At the very end, it is revealed that the Deceiver was the one that set-up the whole situation as a means to draw attention away from its real goal. Not sure what this goal would be, but it succeeds and the now the universe is one step closer to oblivion.

The reason I think something like this will happen is that it creates a modern epic story for the necrons. It also allows for some major events to happen, but when the smoke clears, the status quo is basically the same. (i.e. The emperor is back in statis, the necrons are a super-power, but need to regroup and repair, Ultramar is banged up but basically as it is "today", Tau get a few more planets, but nothing major. Eldar are the heroes, but look like a bad guy to the 'public'.)

Sekhmet
14-08-2008, 18:56
What about this new turn in fluff? I mean in 5th edition manual 'cons change direction completely. There isn't one word about nightbringer and some troops actually gain some centiense.

Were there any incursion against Macragge I'd quess that the actual battle would be fought somewhere else. I'd say the imperium would try to intercept the enemies before the target. (Fighting near the price doesn't make mutch sense to me. Allthou defences may be best there, but so is ultimate defeat.)
The fluff in the rulebook doesn't change anything beyond what Xenology and the Apocalypse book already established. Just because they don't mention C'tan doesn't mean they don't exist.

As for the battle being fought elsewhere, that's a little hard when the Necrons can just appear in orbit around Macragge.


Since Tau are the most reasonable aliens in the neighbourhood the Ultramarines (and successor chapters) will ally with them.

Both together stand a chance against Nids, Orks and other meanies.

Maybe Iyanden will guide this all a little, depleted as they are in the middle of a warzone.
Tau are still xenos. The only reason all the "forces of order" ally is because GW runs summer campaigns in which they only want two sides fighting, not a massive free-for-all. Besides something like the Tyranids and Chaos Crusade, I don't see the Imperium ever allying itself with aliens.



As for Nids vs UM, I would guess that at least 40% of active chapters are ultramarine sucessors and would come home to Ultramar if a distress signal was issued. Angry star eating demi-god or not, the night bringer would receive a high amount of pain, if not from material weapons, from the potent ultra marine psykers who have studied the hive mind and may be advanced in terms of their ability to manipulate, and pierce, the warp.

Yay made up statistics. Do you really thing the Nightbringer would just go by himself? What about the, I don't know, galaxy conquering army that he has some access to?



But I tend to be on the bandwagon that yes, the C'tan ONCE were star eating demi-gods who wandered the universe, but their current selves are dry husks compared to the ages of old. A threat to mankind, yes, but nothing that cant be ground down under imperial heels.
The C'tan aren't any different now that they were in days of old. They were/are in stasis, they're literally the same. I'm not being "fan boy" or anything right now, I'm just pointing out that several races have a doomsday clock in which the Imperium is destroyed. The Orks have one (uniting), the Tyranids have one (100-200 years before the major invasion starts), Chaos has one (lots of psykers being born, etc), and the Necrons have one (waking up). It's not up for dispute at all - it's part of the grim dark future setting... the Imperium will die, it's just a matter of how.

LokkoRex
14-08-2008, 19:24
there propably won't be a campaign like this, but if it did, i hope there will be so many necron players out there that macragge is turned into a dead world(hate smurfs, i truly do(except for uriel ventris and pasanius, the only none brainwashed smurfs)). just wishful thinking;)

azimaith
14-08-2008, 19:49
I think its important to realize that just as a space marine is beyond the ability of a normal guardsman to defeat, so are the c'tan beyond the ability of normal mortals to defeat. Literally the instances when you have the C'tan actually being hurt are incredible.

One has the movement of *stars* to strike at him with combined solar flares that nearly kill him, the others are massive space fortresses designed specifically to destroy them. Another, the Eldar god of war fighting in hand to hand combat with a C'tan. (None of which have actually been said to kill one.)
These are weapons that would have ravaged worlds of life, turned the Emperor into a smoking pile of dust, or destroyed a battle fleet.

Its not some random space marine librarian or even a random chapter master, they simply *don't have the power to win* that sort of a fight on their own. If your looking at something to fight a c'tan your looking at Emperor+ level psykers. Psykers who can move around stars or other gods. In a weakened state the idea a c'tan is going to tromp into Ultramar when its essentially coming out of millions of years of starvation seems a rather silly convienence for the ultramarines.

Just as they ravaged the galaxy before with an empire that destroyed the old ones and fought all of their child races at the same time they aren't going to waltz in with 20 necron warriors.

You've got a group of 3 ships(Light cruisers) that penetrated the orbital defenses on Mars, one ship actually touching martian soil.

You've got one rolling around in a world built around a star.

You have warmachines that harvest worlds in short periods of time and tomb complexes that function and have remained intact after *60 million years of movement.*.
60 million years ago the continents were joined on Earth.

They're just an extremely powerful race. As such you wouldn't see minor actions to take back the Nightbringers ultimate weapon, you'd see massive galaxy shaking events that make the Horus Heresy look like a square dance with different sides working against others.

Its just the standard doomsday clock that damn near everyones got in 40k.

Sekhmet
15-08-2008, 04:00
I think an epic battle would be something like what Equinox proposed, but maybe something else. The Battle for Macragge would be won by the Necrons - there's literally nothing that can stop them in that sector of space. Maybe if the Octavian sector was decided in favor of the Orks, it might be enough to stop a full Necron attack, if the Marines and Tau also "helped" the Orks indirectly.

The other change would be an idea I really like - as the Dragon awakens and attacks Terra, the Emperor gives up the last shreds of mortality he has and supercharges the astronomicon into a single gigantic warp cannon fed by hundreds of thousands of human psykers united by arguably the most powerful psyker ever. As that happens, the Dragon is actually killed, but the Emperor finally dies and the astronomicon is permanently destroyed, plunging humanity into anarchy.

Gatsby
15-08-2008, 07:26
might be in wrong spot but my opinion as to how the imperium ends is when ALL the doomsday clocks go off at once, leaving the imperium at the mercy of the tau and eldar for protection as they are really the only ones who might come to their aid. Then the game would be more based around what race will prevail in the ensuing fight, a huge free for all

Sekhmet
15-08-2008, 09:23
The Tau and Eldar are in no position to protect the Imperium... the Tau are insignificant in the grand scheme of things and the Eldar are already on the way out, they're the ones using the Imperium to keep themselves alive by diverting threats away from Craftworlds and into Imperial systems.

Equinox
15-08-2008, 17:53
The problem with any story is that the necrons cannot score a big win, as it means everything comes to an end, at least from an Imperium perspective. This doesn't prevent a grand story about the necrons in 'modern' times being told, just one that doesn't change the status quo at the end.

Sekhmet's idea about the Emperor being the barrel of a warp gun is cool, and could be the route that is taken, I would only doubt that it would be the end of the Emperor. A more likely scenerio would be the Emperor's body is destroyed, but now his soul has elevated to the status of a god. Thus the astronomicon is kept intact, the emperor is still the heart of the Imperium, the state that he exists has just changed.

The_Outsider
15-08-2008, 18:29
Necrons are at the top of the food chain when it comes to power in 40k.

Now i'd like to see the UM versus crons matchup unfold at a level like how the Deceiver engineered it so the talismans are vaul are msotly destroyed or well out of eldar hands. Basically having it so the UM don't need to be annihilated to give up the key.

I'm want to keep Outsider and Void Dragon out of this as a whole - the Deceiver only assists the Nightbringer simply because he won't stand upto him or the other C'tan were they decide to finish the cannibalism they started during the first war in the heaven.

Have this act as a catalyst for a major increase in eldar military activities (and possibly assisting humanity as we make a great meat shield) as they finally realise their days are numbered (properly, not slowly like now).

Everyone dies, it all comes down to who the necrons decide to beat on first.

ARM0R3D ASSASIN
16-08-2008, 20:29
has anyone else noticed that on the GW site in the 'events' it shows a space marine attacking a necron with what apears to be a power sword, more specificly an *ultramarine*

I smell a sitcom!!!!:D

Lisiecki
17-08-2008, 20:37
And Da Boyz

Like when a warbozz choke slammed the emperior



The only xeno race to come even close to Earth, is in fact the Necrons, which is when they landed on Mars. Thats if I'm not mistaken.

Mercer

pookie
18-08-2008, 09:45
And Da Boyz

Like when a warbozz choke slammed the emperior

that didnt happen on Terra tho, it was Ullanor iirc.

Lord Dante
18-08-2008, 15:50
Necrons are top of the food chain... ? yeah, untill they just wake up the emp, and a movie space marine walks in and does somthing AMAZING and kills a Necron god because so says Games Workshop.

So whilst the Necrons are 'powerfull' anything can happen in fluff terms, its all supposed to look bad for the Imperium. If it were all rosy for the Imperium it wouldnt make for an interesting battle game now would it.

So what can happen? not much because the time line will never include the death of the Imperium, its more realistic that the Necrons could be killed off than the SM, that is unless more kids start buying Necrons over Terminators.

Its all doom and gloom in the Imperium these days...

Gatsby
18-08-2008, 16:30
Lets face it, GW's child is in fact SM's they would never let anyhting happen to them, god forbid let them go more than a few years without a codex, they would never let their baby smurfs get offed by a more powerful race even if it made sense. GW is to in love with their favored child, nothing bad will ever hapen to them (as much as i wish something bad would) they are the only race likely to survive whatever MIGHT happen