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Admiral Koppenflak
02-08-2008, 06:00
Hey Warseer,

A friend and I are looking at building a Titan some point in the future, and I'm wondering if anyone around here has a photo of a "Titan Line Up" which I might show him for reference?

I know that, Roughly, a Warlord is twice as tall as a Warhound, and an Imperator is twice as tall as a Warlord... but does anyone have a picture of this kind of relationship? I'd like to see them all in one shot, if possible.

I remember seeing a photo on the net about 6 months back of just this, but I can't for the life of me find it again.

Anyone able to help out? Any closet Epic fans who have these Titans and a digital camera? That'd be grand.

Ta in advance. :D

ironcurtin117
02-08-2008, 06:13
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/8115/apocalypsetitanscalepb0.png

Here you go, the Imperator is larger than a 30 story building (300ft, 100m) the scout ones are around 50ft tall. Image was found via google.

Enjoy

Admiral Koppenflak
02-08-2008, 06:39
That's... not exactly accurate. I've seen this one before. I meant a photo of the Epic-scale miniatures lined up, if possible. An Imperator/Emperor is *not* 3 times taller than a Warlord... Thanks anyway...

Shibboleth
02-08-2008, 07:22
Here's a couple of pics I picked up on the net years ago. I don't recall the official sources.

Hellebore
02-08-2008, 07:43
This is something people continuously disagree on.

GW's own Adeptus Titanicus listed the Imperator between 25 and 40 metres in height.

The Apocalypse book has a drawing of a warlord titan next to a warhound for scale comparison, and the warhound is ~1/2 to 1/3 it size. Now as the FW Warhound is 10 inches tall, that would put a warlord at between 20 and 30 inches in height.

Some people prefer to ignore this and follow the idea that titans are all 100m+ in height, but I like GW's numbers.

Hellebore

Dreachon
02-08-2008, 08:50
The height of the Imperator is also mentioned in 2 novels, Storm of Iron lists it as 50m and warlords at 30m.
False Gods lists the Imperator at 42m.

Col.Gravis
02-08-2008, 17:26
I've not worked out the Warlord Titan yet, but going on the Epic Models to 40k Scale models I have worked out an approximate height for the Imperator with some plans in mind.

The Epic Warhound is IIRC 7 times smaller then the 40k Warhound, applying the same measurements to the old Imperator kit you end up with a model approximately 91cm, almost exactly 3' in height, that keeps the scale in line with other Titan models even if they are perhaps slightly off from some background sources but a whole lot more practical in gaming terms then some of the huge monster people have built in the pas

EDIT: A quick measure shows the current Warlord model is 7cm in height, in scale again to the other examples that would make a 40k version 49cm/ just over 19" tall

Ddraiglais
02-08-2008, 17:27
The most consistant I've seen is warlords are 40m and imperators are 60m. That translates to a warlord being between 23.86065371818" and 26.24671916" tall depending on if you scale 40K as 1"=5.5' or 1"=5'. An imperator is either 35.790780672" or 39.37007874" tall, again depending on scale.

ironcurtin117
02-08-2008, 17:38
This is something people continuously disagree on.

GW's own Adeptus Titanicus listed the Imperator between 25 and 40 metres in height.

The Apocalypse book has a drawing of a warlord titan next to a warhound for scale comparison, and the warhound is ~1/2 to 1/3 it size. Now as the FW Warhound is 10 inches tall, that would put a warlord at between 20 and 30 inches in height.

Some people prefer to ignore this and follow the idea that titans are all 100m+ in height, but I like GW's numbers.

Hellebore


Ah, I misread something in Galaxy in Flames that said the Dies Irae was the size of a 30 story building. I think there is something on the BL website that links from the "Titan" Graphic Novel series that has good info too

Mechanicus
02-08-2008, 17:38
The most consistant I've seen is warlords are 40m and imperators are 60m. That translates to a warlord being between 23.86065371818" and 26.24671916" tall depending on if you scale 40K as 1"=5.5' or 1"=5'. An imperator is either 35.790780672" or 39.37007874" tall, again depending on scale.60m? Where is that measurement from? :confused:

Admiral Koppenflak
02-08-2008, 17:45
Yeah, because on all the contradictions in the fluff, I wasn't going to use written material as the basis of measurement, hence my questions about the actual models themselves.

...This said, the cover of Titan which shows the Imperius Dictatio (Warlord class) serves as an absolutely monstrous high-end for dimensions.

...Note the access ladder hanging off the end of the cannon arm. :p

As I utterly refuse to build a Warlord that large, I'm deferring to "Miniature scale".

I realise that giving out precise dimensions on GW models is taboo, but the photos have helped a fair bit. I'm assuming, based on those, that an Imperator would come to somewhere between 1.0 and 1.3 meters in height in 28mm scale.

Mechanicus
02-08-2008, 18:10
Yeah, because on all the contradictions in the Fluff, I wasn't going to use written material as the basis of measurement, hence my questions about the actual models themselves.I think the 40k background forum might not have been the ideal place for this topic! ;) A mod would be able to move it if you PM them.

Norminator
02-08-2008, 19:08
What's an Apocalypse class Titan? I'd never heard of anything bigger than an Imperator.

ironcurtin117
02-08-2008, 19:27
What's an Apocalypse class Titan? I'd never heard of anything bigger than an Imperator.


I honestly can't find anything on it. There was a thread on the BL site about some Imperial Fist Captain finding one that stood something like 21 miles high (utterly ridiculous) or something. Probably mentioned in passing in some forgotten piece of fluff or confused with an Apocalypse class cruiser from BFG

Minister
02-08-2008, 19:35
What's an Apocalypse class Titan? I'd never heard of anything bigger than an Imperator.

This would be because it was made up by a fan (with dubious sense of scale, I would opine).

The Forgeworld Mars pattern Warhound is given as 18 m at rest, which is in tune with the Warlord being in the 40 m magnitude.

theunwantedbeing
02-08-2008, 19:37
The Dies Irae in the horus heresy is 42m or 43m tall.
The bay it's housed in is stated to be 2km long, which in a 7km ship isn't utterly unbelievable.

If a space marine is 2m tall and the model is 28mm then the Dies Irae would be about 60cm tall. Which makes it not a great deal taller than the current reaver titan (4-5" taller roughly).

Anything around that sort of scale makes sense.
As for imperator titans being twice the size of warlord titans?
Where is that from....arent they just roughly the same sort of size, imperators are merely a different type to warlords.

Lord Damocles
02-08-2008, 19:42
As for imperator titans being twice the size of warlord titans?
Where is that from....arent they just roughly the same sort of size, imperators are merely a different type to warlords.

The Imperator has always been substantially larger than all other Imperial titan classes.

Emperor titans (of which the Imperator is a varient pattern, along with the Warmonger) are a completely seperate class to the Warlords.

theunwantedbeing
02-08-2008, 19:55
Ah...I was getting emporer and imperator mixed up....No more than 100m tall for them though.

SabrX
02-08-2008, 20:33
Could the apoc titan be similar to this?

Ddraiglais
02-08-2008, 22:13
60m? Where is that measurement from? :confused:

It's from one of the old Titanicus books. It's also the size that makes the most sense if warlords are 40m.



The Dies Irae in the horus heresy is 42m or 43m tall.

I didn't catch that when I read it. The author is wrong then. He's giving sizes for warlords. Dies Irae is an imperator.



Ah...I was getting emporer and imperator mixed up....No more than 100m tall for them though.

100m is way too big. An imperator should be right around 60m, and they are the largest titans there are.



Could the apoc titan be similar to this?

That looks like some kind of lander. It's pretty sweet though. I want one!!!


Mike Biasi did all of the titans for Armorcast. His titans are a little smaller than FW, but they are close. Here is a picture of his unreleased warlord. It's in the 22"-23" (40m) size. http://www.mbiasi.com/titans/warlord.html I believe his unreleased imperator was just at 35" (60mish) in size. http://www.mbiasi.com/titans/imperator.html

leo_neil316
02-08-2008, 23:43
Going by the....... slight... huge..... numerous........ continuous...... mistakes about how spacecraft work/move/fight (what the hell is a freaking arc shield? Why would you not, when having torpedo armed ships in the wake of a ship, fire every torpedo you've got into it's unprotected rear? Since freaking when can fighters kill frigates? Why does the abyss need fourty bajillion special kinds of torpedo when normal ones woulda done the job in -one- volley?) I'm gonna say the guy who wrote galaxy in flames is getting his titans mixed up.

All titans are different, each one an individual and of course sometimes when we're given heights they'll be running about or stooping, rather than standing straight but I digress.

Warhounds stand between 15 and 20 meters (though not on either) depending on circumstance. Reavers are half again as big, between 22-27 meters, more with the reaver missile launcher. Warlords are half again as big as a reaver 35-40 meters. And imperetors generally around 55-60 meters tall. Which is around half again as big as a warlord.

It's like theres a logic or pattern to it..........

Ddraiglais
02-08-2008, 23:52
I'll agree with you Leo Neil. I'd allow for some variation between titans. What's made on Mars isn't exactly the same as what's made on Stygies. There are also different versions of some of the titans. The AC versions are older and a bit smaller than the FW titans. A beetle back warlord is slightly smaller than the boxy kinds. Chaos titans can offer up any excuse for being slightly off the mark. However, when people start fielding five foot tall warlords in 40K scale, that's a bit excessive. I still think titans should be around the sizes given for them.

El_Machinae
03-08-2008, 04:47
Yeah, because on all the contradictions in the fluff, I wasn't going to use written material as the basis of measurement, hence my questions about the actual models themselves.

...This said, the cover of Titan which shows the Imperius Dictatio (Warlord class) serves as an absolutely monstrous high-end for dimensions.

...Note the access ladder hanging off the end of the cannon arm. :p

As I utterly refuse to build a Warlord that large, I'm deferring to "Miniature scale".

I realise that giving out precise dimensions on GW models is taboo, but the photos have helped a fair bit. I'm assuming, based on those, that an Imperator would come to somewhere between 1.0 and 1.3 meters in height in 28mm scale.

That picture was my initial exposure to the concept of "Titan" in 40k. It's been a series of letdowns ever since, because that thing would be epic

Mechanicus
03-08-2008, 09:34
It's from one of the old Titanicus books. It's also the size that makes the most sense if warlords are 40m.Really? Which one? Because the 1988 Adeptus Titanicus says "some 70 to 100 feet tall" for Emperor Titans, which is 21 to 30m; with Battle titans between "40 and 80 feet tall", which is 12 to 24m. Then in the 1993 Codex Titanicus, we get told they're 25 to 40m and 10 to 25m respectively. So where did it say 60 and 40 metres?

Ddraiglais
03-08-2008, 15:50
Really? Which one? Because the 1988 Adeptus Titanicus says "some 70 to 100 feet tall" for Emperor Titans, which is 21 to 30m; with Battle titans between "40 and 80 feet tall", which is 12 to 24m. Then in the 1993 Codex Titanicus, we get told they're 25 to 40m and 10 to 25m respectively. So where did it say 60 and 40 metres?

It was the one that Specialist Games had up on their website (maybe about a year ago?). Someone posted a link to it during a conversation just like this. It's also stuck in my head. I would have started with the 93 codex. Maybe it was in the edition after Epic Space Marine? I'll have to see if I can find any of my books now (which is no small task). Your numbers are too small. 100' would only be around 20". While I like the idea of cheaper titans (less resin), that would conflict with the current reavers and warhounds that we have. I'd also say to look at existing titans from Armorcast and Forgeworld. 40m and 60m fit.