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Chaos Mortal
03-08-2008, 11:15
what unit in 40k is most like an sas unit? i mean one that drops behind enemy lines and are extremely elite?

i would assume orc kommandos would fall sort of into this category (for there respective army) but are there any others?

Goq Gar
03-08-2008, 11:19
Kasrkins - IG
Scouts - SMs
Rangers - Eldar
Kommandos - Orks

Quentin
03-08-2008, 11:20
I would say Inquisitorial Storm Troopers.

Elite, obedient soldiers with the best equipment the Imperium can provide, who often perform covert operations on and off the battlefield, with or without the knowledge of Imperial officers/officials, who answer only to an Inquisitor.

Another might be Space Wolf scouts.

Sojourner
03-08-2008, 11:23
Most infiltrating units are more like commandos than SAS - get in, blow something up, get out. SAS teams often spend weeks or months operating covertly and the range of missions they can undertake is huge and not limited to strikes against specific targets.

The most capable infiltrators around are either Space Marine Scouts or Eldar ...Pathfinders I think; I forget the name.

leo_neil316
03-08-2008, 11:43
Imperial guard stormtroopers are based on the SAS and para regiments. Check out the old models (not the current kasarkin or rounded armour ones).

Blood Frenzy
03-08-2008, 11:59
I would assume the nearest unit would be space wolf scouts. They are the one unit which has been the hardest to counter, small elite and hit bloomin hard with combat and guns, the orks tend to be bigger units which is not the SAS way
:)

Dominus_Serui
03-08-2008, 13:18
Ork Kommando's are supposed to be an amusing Orky take on the idea of Infiltration and Insertion tactics as deployed by Humans - so they're not exactly the most SAS-like of the 'infiltrator' units but they're certainly a direct imitation of that style. Eldar Rangers can hardly be counted as SAS-like because they're...well...Rangers, in the style of the Pathfinders of the Wood Elves from Warhammer Fantasy and the generic ranger style as seen in...well most fantasy settings.

The Stormtroopers are the most obvious SAS-equivilent because they were as leo_neil316 said originally modeled as such, though the design has evolved a lot since the original Stormtrooper models they're still essentially the same purpose, hardened soldiers ferociously loyal to the Imperium due to their heavy indoctrination at the Scholar Progenium - next to Commisars they're supposed to be the most loyal human soldiers the Imperium churns out.

The abhuman's of the Space Marines tend towards using their scouts as infiltrators because it is a good way to get unformed initiates combat experience without exposing them to the full firestorm of a full Marine offensive - not because they use them as a hardened Special Forces core. That said the Wolf Scouts of the Space Wolves, beeing allready hardened memembers of the Chapter do form an Elite group of infiltrators, but their similarities with the styles of hunting parties rather than Special Forces means their not really the same as a millitary unit like the SAS.

Jackal_Strain
03-08-2008, 14:50
The most obvious answer would be Alpha legionaries. They are an entire legion dedicated to this form of combat.

Waywatcher-
03-08-2008, 14:58
what about deathwatch, too specialised, although they do have awsome weopons. and are specilist.

Waywatcher

Dominus_Serui
03-08-2008, 15:27
Alpha Legion are more...insurgency and agitation then spec-ops and the Deathwatch are too...well...Warrior Monks, to really come under the catagory of the most similar unit to the SAS.

SabrX
03-08-2008, 15:56
I would say the Inquisitorial Storm Troopers. Not part of the bigger Imperial Guard army. The Inquisitorial Storm Troopers are like special forces sent out on special missions from the imperium. They are lead by Inquisitors who don't give a damn about how many other allies they need to sacrifice or how many worlds they may destroy until they get their man.

check out some cool models from Armorcast for SAS (http://armorcast.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=92&products_id=666)

Eetion
03-08-2008, 16:08
Alpha Legion are more...insurgency and agitation then spec-ops and the Deathwatch are too...well...Warrior Monks, to really come under the catagory of the most similar unit to the SAS.

A small part of their profile... it also includes, assasination, sabotage, covert strikes, pre planned ambushes and terrorism.

Sounds pretty special ops to me.

Col. Tartleton
03-08-2008, 16:31
Tau stealth teams are the elite forward scouts who operate independently to the point the Tau Coalition Forces aren't even sure where they are.

They follow troop movements and use their stealth for hit and run sneak attacks and ambushes at choke points. They're tasked with causing panic and things of that nature as well as target acquiring for the air forces using their marker lights.

They're pretty much robot/sniper/ninja/commandos.

Thats almost as cool as Black /Martial Artist/Ex Special Operation/ Zombie fighters.

I'd say Tau pathfinders and stealths are the most special forces.

Dominus_Serui
03-08-2008, 16:31
Yeah, but the reasoning behind their actions is not that they are Spec Ops rather that they are a group of slightly-insane people who either operate under the concept of Mankind/the Imperium needing to be brought down in order for the universe to be saved - or simply a bunch of psychopathic chaos worshipers...eitherway they're not exactly so much Millitarily organised as a Resistance/Terrorist movement.

Inquisitorial Stormtroopers hardly count as spec-ops, after all the reason they don't get the benefits in rules terms of deepstrike/infiltrate is because they represent the household guard of a particular Inquisitor, providing security for Inquisition bases and a handy field army when the need arises...they represent the Inquisitions well-equiped enforcers rather than any spec-ops team.

Undeniably it HAS to be the Stormtroopers that are often found attatched to the Guard who are the most solid core of special operations troops that the Imperium calls upon.

Sojourner
03-08-2008, 16:35
That's a point; nobody's going to be convinced that space marines are there for anything other than destruction. Stormtroopers can at least pretend for a short time to be i) bystanders or ii) allies, if they're not in gear. We only ever see them in the commando role, since covert intelligence missions aren't really handled in the 40k game.

Bregalad
03-08-2008, 17:00
Speaking of it, Infinity has just released a 1st Highlanders S.A.S. Trooper:
http://www.nomadarachne.com/infinity_ENG/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=270:1st-highlanders-sas&catid=41:ariadna&Itemid=150

Burnthem
03-08-2008, 18:01
Speaking of it, Infinity has just released a 1st Highlanders S.A.S. Trooper:

That model would make an excellent Assassin :)

Ddraiglais
03-08-2008, 18:25
I think I'd go with the D-99 list. That'd give you fast roping troops, infiltrating troops, and an all around special forces feel. Of course that'd be a fairly expensive army too.


Speaking of it, Infinity has just released a 1st Highlanders S.A.S. Trooper:
http://www.nomadarachne.com/infinity_ENG/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=270:1st-highlanders-sas&catid=41:ariadna&Itemid=150

That's a nice find.

heretics bane
03-08-2008, 19:37
Kasrkins - IG
Scouts - SMs
Rangers - Eldar
Kommandos - Orks

Pretty much all them, but maybe gaunts ghost's as a more specialised S.A.S for the guards.

The Anarchist
03-08-2008, 21:08
whilst i agree with most people about strom troopers being the SAS of 40k, i would like to put a mention out to hardened veterans of the IG. i know they aren't a seperate regiment like SAS are, but they are extremely specialised and have some good equipment after all their service time.

i had considered saying eldar pathfinders might be a very SAS-esque, i guess they are nearer to Ghurkas'.

Adam40kPlayer
03-08-2008, 22:16
The real SAS aren't like Ultimate force you know. They spend weeks or months in the feild painstakingly gathering intelligence before they even decide if theyre going to do something. And then its only something on a small scale, you would never see them do huge raids or anything of the sort nowadays, thats for the Commando's. They're used in counter-terrorism and recon mostly today, maybe used once in a while to capture something. Very rarely used for full scale raids and stuff, so its very hard to compare something in the 40k world to the SAS. Stormtroopers are much more Commando than SAS.

Kage2020
03-08-2008, 23:07
There was something from, I believe, Waagh the Orks! that pretty much sums up the idea of special operations forces:


Wwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaagggggggghhhhh... (Ork leading a sneak attack).

The same seems to apply for the majority, if not all, of the 40k forces. After all, in 40k, "Everyone must hear your battle cry," or it's not 40k. ;)

Kage

Wolf Scout Ewan
04-08-2008, 00:42
Space Wolf Scout are the closest thing to how the SAS function on the battlefield.

However, Inquisitorial and regular Stormtroopers are the most highly trained and best equipped of imperial regulars. Special Forces for sure but SAS? Not quite.

Ordo Xenos Deathwatch are literally the best of the best! Sah! The best weaponry and equipment right down to experimental hardware. One Deathwatch Marine has enough battlfield experience that any human could muster.

Bretonnian Lord
04-08-2008, 01:01
I'd have to agree with Adam, SAS operatives are usually tasked with deep recon, sabotage, and counter-terrorism operations. It seems to me that units like Eldar Pathfinders would fit this role better overall than Kasrkin or stormtroopers.

Kage2020
04-08-2008, 01:24
Is not one of the problems that 40k is an acorn that doesn't drop too far from the tree of Warhammer Fantasy Battle? That is to say that the idea of the SAS, which at least in part goes beyond the medieval warfare model, isn't really incorporated...?

Kage

Ddraiglais
04-08-2008, 05:34
The real SAS aren't like Ultimate force you know. They spend weeks or months in the feild painstakingly gathering intelligence before they even decide if theyre going to do something. And then its only something on a small scale, you would never see them do huge raids or anything of the sort nowadays, thats for the Commando's. They're used in counter-terrorism and recon mostly today, maybe used once in a while to capture something. Very rarely used for full scale raids and stuff, so its very hard to compare something in the 40k world to the SAS. Stormtroopers are much more Commando than SAS.

When I worked with them they did. It was a huge excercise all along the East Coast of the US. They set it up so that different groups participated in different missions to get a better understanding of all of the special forces. They had the small scale stuff for SAS and Army SF. They also did the large scale stuff for the Rangers (The SAS participated in those too). They did some small boat insertions for the SEALS and some stuff for the PJs and CC. Like I said, most groups participated across the board.

I do agree that the SAS usually does small scale stuff, but they are capable of some of the larger scale missions too. Basically I'm saying they are a very profesional group of guys that CAN work outside of their basic profile.

MajorWesJanson
04-08-2008, 09:07
My vote is for Elsyian drop troops. High tech, air mobile, light infantry. Everything they need they can carry with them, and they pack plenty of tools for sabotage and intel gathering like demo charges, meltas, lascutters, and scanners. Most of their equipment is built for hit and fade, even mortars and other heavy weapons.

Sojourner
04-08-2008, 10:41
The real SAS aren't like Ultimate force you know. They spend weeks or months in the feild painstakingly gathering intelligence before they even decide if theyre going to do something. And then its only something on a small scale, you would never see them do huge raids or anything of the sort nowadays, thats for the Commando's. They're used in counter-terrorism and recon mostly today, maybe used once in a while to capture something. Very rarely used for full scale raids and stuff, so its very hard to compare something in the 40K world to the SAS. Stormtroopers are much more Commando than SAS.


I do agree that the SAS usually does small scale stuff, but they are capable of some of the larger scale missions too. Basically I'm saying they are a very profesional group of guys that CAN work outside of their basic profile.

This is what I've been saying from the start. The real strength of the SAS is small, extremely covert and extremely long-range strategic intelligence ops. If you're Britain at least and just want something or several things behind enemy lines blown up, you send Royal Marine Commandos. SAS could do it, but it'd be a waste.

Simon Sez
04-08-2008, 12:03
Soo, SAS are like scouts; they go in, look at the enemy and let their mates know whats what?

And the the Commando's come in and take care of the things the SAS think are important?

Then the regiments deal with the rest?

Sai-Lauren
04-08-2008, 12:56
what unit in 40K is most like an sas unit? i mean one that drops behind enemy lines and are extremely elite?

i would assume orc kommandos would fall sort of into this category (for there respective army) but are there any others?

Yes, Special Forces. :D

Basically, you're all looking for something that's already been described. Special forces don't figure in 40k because that's not their environment. Their best environment would be Kill Team level games, you could potentially get away with a Hardened Veterans unit (as a company level fight isn't really what they're best at, although they'll perform adequately if they have to).

There's probably regiments of S(A/B)S/Seals/Spetznaz/etc equivalents around, which are deployed as and when they're needed, but in small units (probably only deployed as platoons or at most a company for a whole crusade) and as part of the Army HQ, not as line infantry regiments.

There's also groups like the Officio Sabatorum, the Imperial Espionage Agencies and so on that would count as special forces - the "bangs and smells" brigade :D .



Kasrkins - IG

Nope, they're shock assault/heavy infantry.



Scouts - SMs

Kind of, but I see them as operating more on deep raids and commando missions, marines are a bit too maintenance/support intensive to operate behind enemy lines for the lengths of time we're talking, especially the Scouts who're still letting their implanted organs bed in.



Rangers - Eldar
Kommandos - Orks

Yes. Although again, they're more deep raids and commando missions, I can easily see Eldar for example having a "Special Forces" aspect warrior.



Imperial guard stormtroopers are based on the SAS and para regiments. Check out the old models (not the current kasarkin or rounded armour ones).

Nope, those ones are paratroops only. Hence the berets. ;)

Modern stormtrooper/kasrkin figures make them shock assault/heavy infantry.



I'd say Tau pathfinders and stealths are the most special forces.

Agree.



Pretty much all them, but maybe gaunts ghost's as a more specialised S.A.S for the guards.

Nope, Tanith are light infantry/recon. They might just make Rangers, but that's about it.

Tyrannids - Lictors and Broodlords/Genestealer cults would fit, but I can also see some parasitic organism that infests a host and then lies dormant until the Tyrannid signal reaches a certain strength, when it activates, takes over its' host and starts to go after important targets - admittedly closer to a sleeper agent though.



They're used in counter-terrorism and recon mostly today, maybe used once in a while to capture something. Very rarely used for full scale raids and stuff, so its very hard to compare something in the 40K world to the SAS.

Yep, although if the rumours are true, a lot of the laser guided munitions dropped during Gulf War 2 were put on targets designated by SAS units.



After all, in 40K, "Everyone must hear your battle cry," or it's not 40k.

Kage, I'm disappointed in you, sticking to GW's official line. :D



I do agree that the SAS usually does small scale stuff, but they are capable of some of the larger scale missions too. Basically I'm saying they are a very profesional group of guys that CAN work outside of their basic profile.

Problem there is that they're far too valuable to lose in large scale actions - whilst they can fight there, they'll lose a lot of their abilities in that kind of fight, making them little better than ordinary line soldiers, and considering they're used to operating outside of proper chains of command and discipline, potentially worse. (Which doesn't mean they're indisciplined, just that they would do things on their own without necessarily telling everyone around them, because they're used to the people round them realising what they're doing and reacting accordingly).

After all, you can win a lot of large scale actions without even fighting if you send them off to go an eliminate the enemies fuel and ammo depots, destroy their airfields, radar and AA sites so you get total air superiority and destroy bridges and transport junctions so they can't reinforce where you do attack.



This is what I've been saying from the start. The real strength of the SAS is small, extremely covert and extremely long-range strategic intelligence ops. If you're Britain at least and just want something or several things behind enemy lines blown up, you send Royal Marine Commandos. SAS could do it, but it'd be a waste.

But commandos would generally return to base after the mission. SF's would be able to stay in the field, and would likely also be doing things like training fifth columnists/resistance fighters, locating and retrieving downed pilots etc, reporting enemy troop movements and dispositions and trying to gather intelligence at the same time.

I'm not saying they don't use commandos, there's probably commando raids based off air recon, orbital recon and SF gained intelligence as required (as such a raid would indicate to anyone with half a brain cell that there's someone in the area).

But commando raids would tend to take time from initial passback of the intelligence to the raid itself, meaning they may miss the best window of opportunity, wheras the SFs could potentially gather the intelligence, put the plan together, do the raid and get to safety again within a couple of days at most.

heretics bane
04-08-2008, 13:43
The S.A.S are also body guards aswell as being covert ops....

Kage2020
04-08-2008, 13:48
Kage, I'm disappointed in you, sticking to GW's official line. :D
LOL. It's always useful to see the arguments from the other side every now and again. ;)

Kage

Sai-Lauren
05-08-2008, 08:41
The S.A.S are also body guards aswell as being covert ops....

Who for? :confused:
Guard officers will probably have their own lifeguard retinue, which could be a group of soldiers raised from their home planet, veterans retained in service from a regiment that's been demobilised or an entourage that's been picked up slowly over a number of warzones to reward the best soldiers, and they probably wouldn't be assigned to planetary governors, diplomats (who'd have a retinue assigned by the Imperial Diplomatic Corps) or other VIPs.

I think most close protection that's done these days is by ex-military or trained police, not actively serving soldiers.

TheDarkDaff
05-08-2008, 13:27
Just tp throw in a little Callidus and Vindicare Assassins seem to fit the SAS build fairly well.

Sai-Lauren
05-08-2008, 13:43
Just tp throw in a little Callidus and Vindicare Assassins seem to fit the SAS build fairly well.

I think all the Officio Assassinorum agents can be classed in with the agents of the Imperial Intelligence Agencies - whilst they can appear in warzones, their use is pretty much controlled by the High Lords, not the military.

A Warmaster/Lord Militant could probably put in a request to the appropriate authority, but whether they got one or not would depend on the conflict in question, they certainly shouldn't appear for every little brush war. Same for other non-Munitorium assets like Titans, Marines, Sororitas, Inquisition, Officio Sabatorum etc.

Special Forces would at least fit under the Munitorium, so there's less politics involved there.

heretics bane
05-08-2008, 17:10
Who for? :confused:
Guard officers will probably have their own lifeguard retinue, which could be a group of soldiers raised from their home planet, veterans retained in service from a regiment that's been demobilised or an entourage that's been picked up slowly over a number of warzones to reward the best soldiers, and they probably wouldn't be assigned to planetary governors, diplomats (who'd have a retinue assigned by the Imperial Diplomatic Corps) or other VIPs.

I think most close protection that's done these days is by ex-military or trained police, not actively serving soldiers.

The S.A.S provide bodyguards for high class V.I.P's or sometimes members on the royal family if the need arises. I would imagine so that active soldiers could make up a particularly high profiles person after a few words with the local commander.

Sure didnt the commander lord dude in legion not have is black tigers or something acting as his preatorian guard?

And a friend of mine is former S.A.S:D them guys are tough:eek:

Sai-Lauren
06-08-2008, 08:07
The S.A.S provide bodyguards for high class V.I.P's or sometimes members on the royal family if the need arises. I would imagine so that active soldiers could make up a particularly high profiles person after a few words with the local commander.

Wouldn't a civilian normally be protected by the Arbites, or have hired their own bodyguards if they're sufficiently wealthy or powerful enough?

I know the Metropolitan Police have a whole close-protection branch for visting dignitaries etc, but they'd only ask for the SAS for occasions where they know there's a serious credible threat against them, and by that time the whole secret service is involved as well (there's a reason why MI5 and MI6 have an M in their initials ;)), and whether they're deployed or not would be a political decision.

Don't forget, in the Imperium, there's the whole separation of military power to prevent another Horus Heresy.

Ok, SFs could be sent to escort a VIP somewhere in a warzone, or sent to go and extract one, but those would be military decisions. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, it's just that I don't think it's very common at all.



Sure didnt the commander lord dude in legion not have is black tigers or something acting as his preatorian guard?

Personal bodyguard, not Special Forces.
Not to say some of them weren't SFs at some point, but they're basically tied to their commander (guarding his body, so to speak ;)), not free to go and roam around behind the enemy lines.

TheOverlord
06-08-2008, 10:46
Grey Knights :D

Ok, so they're more like quasi-religious, overly-armored, overly-armed zealot SAS, but they basically do the field work of a special force unit task with a very specific role in combat and ignore basically everything else.

Space Marines in general are basically your everyday Commandos, they could easily be classified as SAS should the occasion come up. I mean, sure they prefer walking up to you as you pee your pants and shove his fist into your sternum through your head, and spray over-large explosive shells at you and scream hell at you, but if the situation requires it they can be infiltrators. Of course this is mostly directed at a very select group of Marines that can do it, Chosen for the CSM and TECHNICALLY Terminators as they can teleport in and raise hell.

Then again, no one is really sure what the SAS do, considering that they do a little bit of everything. But if you're looking for pure counter terrorism and intelligence gathering, Inquisitorial Storm Troopers all the way. Dunno about the xeno scum though, never really looked past humans :D

The General
06-08-2008, 19:43
I can't think of a 40k Unit type that (including GW background) meets the total scope of the S.A.S. (though the IG storm troopers do come close)

but if you want to create an S.A.S- themed unit, IG hardened Vets are possibly a good choice...

- Ability to infiltraite - just like special forces (maybe)
- access to a (relatively) wide range of weapons. also, if you want to use some sort of SMG in 40k, the shotgun seems to have the profile to fit the bill
- increased accuracy over normal IG. (like storm troopers, but in this case due to lots of experience, leading onto my next point...)
- like the S.A.S., they haven't been trained specifically for special forces duties, as the Storm troopers have. they have recieved their training on the battlefield, and their veteran status has been gained through continued battlefield performance.
- lightweight armour - unless given the Carapce armour doctrine, they use standard Flak vests/Plate armour.
- unlike Stormies, they can take heavy weapons in their squad, allowing for the increased tactical flexibility that special forces have. though they would probably only use missile launchers and stripped down Heavy bolters- they are more portable.

Soon as i *Finally* get 'round to my Tamaskan Guard project, i plan on making a squad of Hardened vet Special forces with SMGs. as long as the new codex doesn't change the rules too much.

Londinium
06-08-2008, 20:12
Raven Guard, they get in, they do their job and they get the hell out but if they're stuck in a sticky situation they can easily go to ground and survive for months in hostile territory (a la Shrike).

While the SAS might not be a straightforward infantry regiments, they do a lot of blowing things up. Someone said if you want something blowing up and then to get the hell out of there, you'd send the commandos, not so the SAS is just as likely to be assigned such a job, especially if it was a high risk operation. Raids into Iran for example would no doubt be assigned to the SAS instead of the commandos simply for their efficiency and skill and their ability to dissapear into the night.

The SAS are involved in traditional style battles aswell, in practically every major confrontation in Iraq the British have been involved in, in Iraq, the SAS have been on the ground directing in airstrikes and hitting key installations, while you wouldn't throw them into the battle as a line regiment, they are very often around the battleground, it's just by their very nature that you don't know about it until months after. British and Australian SAS troops were in Iraq before the war even started and have been involved in numerous American operations also, without official confirmation. During time of war the SAS is as much a frontline regiment as any other, it's priorities are just directed elsewhere. Indeed recent years has seen them become more combat and sabotage orientated alongside their usual activites and counter insurgency activities, as the creation of the SRR has freed them from a lot of the recon work they used to have to do, although they've retained their recon training for inter-operability.

An equivalent could easily be in regular 40k battles, they just wouldn't be fighting in them, they'd be fighting around them if you get what I mean.

Bassik
06-08-2008, 21:16
Deathguard are the most sars type unit.

Verergoca
06-08-2008, 22:08
Good Grief! Im actually outraged that noone has mentioned the ENTIRE RANGE THAT WAS MODELED WITH THE SAS IN MIND! Tallarns!

Go read up on the way the SAS began! Then read up on pre-ZOMGARABSAREBAD-fluff and feast on recognition! (Desert Raiders should be burnt in ritual fashions! Load of crock!)

freddythebig
06-08-2008, 22:30
At one time I was going to use Tallarn models for my IG Hardened Vets for exactly that reason. This was after seeing photos of WWII LRDG / SAS units in North Africa. Another of my planned projects that hasn't happened yet.

Sai-Lauren
07-08-2008, 10:04
True, the SAS did begin their life in the North Africa campaign, but I think the Tallarn's imagery is based more along the lines of Lawrence of Arabia, etc.



Deathguard are the most sars type unit.

Was the pun intended? :D

Raven Guard - Shrike's squad did operate behind enemy lines for an extended period, but IMO that's a very exceptional case - as I said earlier, Marines are very high maintenance troops, and can't really operate behind enemy lines for too long without losing their combat effectiveness (and for the counter argument - the Crimson Fists have been supported by other imperial forces on Rynn's World, and presumably had various supply depots and facilities dotted around the planet just in case).

But just out of interest, why do people want something that already exists to fill the Special Forces role? Why not something that doesn't yet exist, which then opens up a whole area of new design space for potentially exciting stuff?

Much better than simply having marines in a different colour. ;)

Col. Tartleton
07-08-2008, 16:10
Guys clearly the most SAS unit are Tau Pathfinders. Their armorment is an smg (carbine) and a laser targeter for selecting targets. They're not combat troops as much as support units that provide missile based artillery support for the advancing firewarriors. They aren't there to shoot, they are there to observe the enemy and counter them or provide information to counter them. Their guns are for insurance, not operation. They have a devilfish which is the equivalent of a helicopter for moving them into position and dropping them off and then helping the other troops. Their most potent weapon is their marker light and they use them to great effect, compromising enemies hiding in cover as well as guiding in weaponry to force them out of it.

Then when tau need to make a covert strike they send in their veteran pathfinders in Stealth armor and infiltrate enemy lines and perform hit and run raids on the enemy and destroy enemy stockpiles and harass supply lines for maximum effect. Between the two concepts thats a lot of special forces type work. Stealths can also call in unit strikes and set up large scale ambushes with large crisis squadrons for anti armor and suggest infantry withdrawals and the destruction of supplies to prevent enemy victories.