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Gobbo Trouble
04-08-2008, 13:08
All the primarchs rose to power on there respective planets, i am quite curious as to how they'd do it on ours. So imagine our planet exactly as it is now, isolated from the rest of the imperium which we dont even know exists, we think were the only life forms in the galaxy etc..etc..

how would a primarch rise to power without being put in a freak show or the ufc for being so abnormally massive.

Rabid Bunny 666
04-08-2008, 13:14
The Primarchs rose up to pwer by solving a problem their planet had, ours would be fuel or starvation in 3rd world countries.

Feor
04-08-2008, 13:17
Easy, he'd be drafted by the NFL, the NBA, AND every major Rugby and soccer league anywhere, instantly becoming the most popular person on the planet, and elected planetary president for life within a decade.

We may not know much about politics, but us humans sure love our sports. :p

Nazguire
04-08-2008, 13:22
The situations on those planets and social structure was a lot different to that of ours today. Most of them involved just beating the snot out of anyone who dared say otherwise (Leman Russ, Jaghatai Khan, Lorgar, Angron, Mortarion, Corax, Ferrus Mannus etc etc) or became head of the one government that that particular world had (such as Fulgrim).

Today's fractured society wouldn't allow it, especially as we place more importance on economics and business then we do swords and guns. THe most a Primarch could do is become CEO of Microsoft or something.

I mean he could become the President of the United States or China or Russia or something, and try to take over hte world through force, but we all know that wouldn't work.

Simon Sez
04-08-2008, 13:44
The Primarchs rose up to pwer by solving a problem their planet had, ours would be fuel or starvation in 3rd world countries. There's an obvious way to kill two birds with one stone there, but its a bit risque for a family forum:cool:

A Primarch on our planet would likely become an unsavoury character, probably head of some hero-worship cult of terrorist fanatics who want all governments to bow down to their Super Man.

Nazguire
04-08-2008, 14:20
There's an obvious way to kill two birds with one stone there, but its a bit risque for a family forum:cool:

A Primarch on our planet would likely become an unsavoury character, probably head of some hero-worship cult of terrorist fanatics who want all governments to bow down to their Super Man.

Being a Primarch, whos intelligence is up and above ours in quantum leaps, I doubt this.

Phoenix Blaze
04-08-2008, 14:26
But what if he landed in the third world, was found by some unknown tribe somewhere and rose to power, uniting tribes as he went, gets a hold of some weapons, gets a hold of more weapons, builds a massive force of say....everyone in Africa and then after a few wars and political battles, the developed world is overthrown and the then 3rd world now stands above all else?

Think about it, in some cases, the Primarch's led the poor and deprived people against the more rich and seemingly powerful classes of society. Don't we have such a set up too?

Then again, he could land somewhere in the UK, rise through politics and then once he's Prime Minister, become head of the EU, bitch slap America into going more green, solve Global Warming, then turn his hand to World Peace.

In a number of years we're a peaceful society where poverty is near-non-existant and earth as a whole kicks ass!

El_Machinae
04-08-2008, 14:27
He would be a moviestar, scientist, humanitarian. His awesome looks would get him onto our moviescreens on a regular basis, his scientific solutions & humanitarian solutions would be used to win our hearts.

After a bit, we'd just assume he was a god and let him run more and more of our society. People would like giving the President of the UN more and more authorities. I mean, who doesn't love the star of Three Weddings Later who also invented fusion energy and solved AIDS & malaria?

Nazguire
04-08-2008, 14:36
But what if he landed in the third world, was found by some unknown tribe somewhere and rose to power, uniting tribes as he went, gets a hold of some weapons, gets a hold of more weapons, builds a massive force of say....everyone in Africa and then after a few wars and political battles, the developed world is overthrown and the then 3rd world now stands above all else?


Then we'd have the current state in every African country today, where one tribe fights another etc. Nothing different.

And lets just say that the Primarch wasn't hunted down and killed like a rat for being...well..the Primarch (a guy who is 8 feet tall, is practically immortal and can lift a bus is going to attract a lot of negative attention) if he was in Africa, or Eastern Europe..or anywhere on Earth he isn't going to unite the entirety of the world. Our civilisation just isn't built for that type of situation.

Phoenix Blaze
04-08-2008, 14:40
But, if you've ever read anything about Primarchs, you'll know that they always end up uniting different factions at war with each other for a greater purpose. It's the kind of thing that could and probably would turn Africa into a solid nation.

Nazguire
04-08-2008, 14:49
But, if you've ever read anything about Primarchs, you'll know that they always end up uniting different factions at war with each other for a greater purpose. It's the kind of thing that could and probably would turn Africa into a solid nation.


What factions have they united for a greater purpose?

Jaghatai didn't for any benevolent goal. He wanted to be lord and master and let his tribe rule Chogoris. Note his planet was basically Mongolia circa 1200 AD spread on a global scale. Which allows him to conquer his way through to superiority.

Leman Russ was basically tribal leader of the Russ who butchered his way to supremacy on a world that is tribal and stone age in technology and civilisation. Which again allowed him to slaughter his way to leadership.

Ferrus Mannus did the same thing, as did Sanguinius. Vulkan became leader of the tribes after fighting off the Dark Eldar. Mortarion did a similar thing (fighting off the undead instead and creating a standing army for Barbarus). Angron didn't do anything really, and almost got himself dead.

Lorgar became the head of the one faction on the planet, a religious organisation and slaughtered his way to the top. The world was pretty much already united, unlike today which is at a decent technological level and split into hundreds of different governments, ideaologies and religions.

Guiliman became the head of the Spartan like Government of Macragge and became the Lord Macragge after his father was betrayed and killed. Again the planet was already one government, more or less.

Night Haunter's world was again, one government and he just did the whole murder gruesomely till everyone is too scared to say otherwise that he is the leader.

Fulgrim played the scientist card, and became a leader through becoming the head of Chemos' industrial government through innovation and ambition. Again Chemos was already one planet more or less.

We don't know anything about Alpharius, Rogal Dorns or Magnus childhood. Corax killed his way to the top by leading an entire population that was already united in cause (just lacked the skills and abilities to pull it off) to rebel against the minority government and assume control. Again the situation of that world allowed it to happen, and again through blood shed.

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Our world just simply isn't in a position for someone to just grab a gun and say "I'm going to become the leader of the world". It may have been in the time of Alexander the Great, but it certainly isn't now.

Savior117
04-08-2008, 15:12
Then some first world nation would probably nuke him...

But, in all seriousness, Africa couldn't unite. They are, for the most part, fighting over religious differences and/or not wanting to be part of the same country with each other. You can blame colonialism for that. Right now most of Africa wants nothing more than to fracture into 30-40 nations, unity is pretty for away from the minds of a good number of people right now. Really, they want nothing more than to kill each other. Telling Africans to play nice would be like trying to tell the Middle East to get along with Europe/the US. It wouldn't, couldn't happen. Sorry for the serious generalizations but for the sake of my sanity I really don't want to go into every African nation's political policies and every internal conflict present in those nations.

The easiest way for a primarch to take over Earth would:

a: be to not do so. If he changed ANYTHING he'd create a time loop which would change the circumstances of the Emperor's birth and his creation, creating a time paradox, and causing him to disappear.

b: be to solve every single socio-economic crisis and then solve every political one. Which couldn't be done because of the wonderful superiority complex that both people and nations have.

@Pheonix Blaze: The African people aren't all just little weak impovrished people who would just unite at the promise of food. And I don't know if you know this, but the US is the major military/economic force in the world right now. The EU couldn't just 'bitch slap America into going green,' they have neither the economic will nor militaristic force to do so. And, if they tried, there's this wonderful [ly ineffective] body known as the UN to prevent that. I think you need to learn a little bit about global politics.

Lotan
04-08-2008, 15:18
He'd become Mr Universe at the age of 23, go on to star in many an action movie due to his presence and "charisma" before retiring and becoming the governor of some western american state. After that the law will be changed to accomodate him being the president, even though he wasn't born into that country, then he'd solve a growing energy crisis and put the worlds economy back on track. After this he'd hold a summit of world leaders to for a League of Nations with himself elected to be the chairman.

Once he proves himself in this role the people will want him to be the ruler when movements spring up claiming him to be a divine being due to his strength, intelligence, charisma and seemingly supernatural lifespan!

EDIT: Sorry for got the bit where the Emperor turns up and takes the primarch away. Within a year the world is back to normal...god bless Earth

Bregalad
04-08-2008, 15:20
how would a primarch rise to power without being put in a freak show or the ufc for being so abnormally massive.
He would show up in small movies, being beaten up by Bruce Lee, then do some series like Texas Rangers before rising to full fame and glory;)

Phoenix Blaze
04-08-2008, 15:22
But you're forgetting that such a force is being led by a Primarch, hell Astartes can barely speak in their prescence, and most humands practically wet themselves! They are capable of amazing things! Yes such things can't happen in our world right now, but we're not discussing our world right now, we're discussing our world with a Primarch!

My reference was to Africa was just off the top of my head, so it shouldn't be taken as an exact point.

And I'll retract my statement about the greater good, but the point remains that, for the most part, whatever force they take control of, will end up on top in some way shape or form.

Juicebox
04-08-2008, 15:28
He would lay low and change the world through subterfuge and guile, eventually causing several catastrophes over many thousands of years and uniting the world by defeating all the other technobarbarians with his primitive elite troops...*Twilight Zone Music*

Yautja
04-08-2008, 15:29
He'd become Mr Universe at the age of 23, go on to star in many an action movie due to his presence and "charisma" before retiring and becoming the governor of some western american state. After that the law will be changed to accomodate him being the president, even though he wasn't born into that country, then he'd solve a growing energy crisis and put the worlds economy back on track. After this he'd hold a summit of world leaders to for a League of Nations with himself elected to be the chairman.

Once he proves himself in this role the people will want him to be the ruler when movements spring up claiming him to be a divine being due to his strength, intelligence, charisma and seemingly supernatural lifespan!

EDIT: Sorry for got the bit where the Emperor turns up and takes the primarch away. Within a year the world is back to normal...god bless Earth

I was picked to lead not to read...I choose number 3!

Gobbo Trouble
04-08-2008, 15:42
a: be to not do so. If he changed ANYTHING he'd create a time loop which would change the circumstances of the Emperor's birth and his creation, creating a time paradox, and causing him to disappear.

sorry i meant forgetting this is "terra", birthplace of the emperor.

i guess it would also depend on where he 'landed' and was brought-up, if he crashed landed in afghan and was brought up by the taliban, america and us brits would be getting our arses kicked to kingdom come round about now, and he'll probably devise some terribly devious plots to overthrow the west.

then again if he's brought up in europe, china...etc...

personally i think he'll either have to start a ww3 or wait for it to happen, then work his way up the military ladder which shouldnt take long, till all that remain is him and his loyal followers who then re-build the planet..hoorah!..

Phoenix Blaze
04-08-2008, 15:58
Gobbo Trouble, your post really makes me think of the Red Son superman story arc, which I think is a "what if" idea where Superman lands not in America, but in Russia! It's pretty cool.

MrBigMr
04-08-2008, 16:56
The primarch dropped into Roswell and became president Kennedy, until Chaos cultist Oswald assassinated him. It's all in the history books, man, you just need to read between the lines.

MvS
04-08-2008, 19:26
Africa couldn't unite.

Only because getting multiple countries to work together is much the same as trying to herd cats. However, there tends to be slow progress towards states working together in international politics, despite the many 'blips'.

The formation of the African Union was a step in this direction


They are, for the most part, fighting over religious differences and/or not wanting to be part of the same country with each other... {snip}...Really, they want nothing more than to kill each other. Telling Africans to play nice would be like trying to tell the Middle East to get along with Europe/the US. It wouldn't, couldn't happen.

Where on earth do you get all this stuff?


Sorry for the serious generalizations

If you feel you need to apologise for something you have written, then perhaps you shouldn't have posted it in the first place, n'est pas?


for the sake of my sanity I really don't want to go into every African nation's political policies and every internal conflict present in those nations.

And nor would it be appropriate for you to do so on a forum discussing genetically engineered space-giant supermen. However, you wouldn't have to go into a depth analysis to find some very large holes in your assumptions and to expose the 'soft' (non-intentional and non-maliciously inspired) bigotry of them.


The African people aren't all just little weak impovrished people who would just unite at the promise of food.
Indeed, although in is always dangerous ground to speak of the populations of an entire continent as a coherent 'people' - indicating character traits and types that all adhere to.

It's difficult enough to do that with one city of people, let alone a country or continent.


the US is the major military/economic force in the world right now.

Very true.


The EU couldn't just 'bitch slap America into going green,' they have neither the economic will nor militaristic force to do so.
Were all Members to join the Euro and if the EU governing structures gained full sovereign powers, like the US Federal Government, the EU would actually eclipse the economic output of the USA. It certainly has the potential and the capacity to, it simply lacks the coherence and the necessary structures.

Granted that this is a fiction right now, but we are talking about fiction in this thread.

If we had a Primarch in the EU who managed somehow to win everyone over so we all thought that the EU was THE Best Thing Ever, and if that super-genius Primarch also made all the EU structures work efficiently and fairly so that Members benefitted far more in terms of economy and social justice than any non Members around the world, then this fictional EU could most certainly mount very effective pressure on any other power block, including the USA.

As things stand, China wields power over certain aspects of the US (or at least its interests) far out of proportion with their militaristic inequalities. Yes China has the largest land army in the world, but that isn't where their real power lies. The USA has hardware enough to flatten China from afar (not that this is likely to happen). If China decided to restrict the amount of underwear they produce for, and export to, the USA (as they threatened to a few years back), the effect this action would have upon the US economy would be massive.

I could imagine a contemporary earth bound Primarch excelling beyond all records in the sciences and sports at school, bearing in mind that he would be a full adult within just a couple of years, and that he would ace all his exams and head for university where he would already be more knowledgeable than many of his lecturers.

He would then fly through his Bachelors, MA, MPhil and PhD and even manage to make several world changing breakthroughs in sustainable energy production and supply, genetic engineering, resource management and medicine, all before his own genetic coding begins to shout too loudly for him to ignore and he joins the military.

Once in the military he would obviously be an officer and would be exemplary in battle in a way and too a degree that no human has ever witnessed or heard of before. Like the other Primarchs, he would take the norms of his society and do everything necessary to assure unity and peace on his planet. On earth that wouldn't mean Ghengis Khan invasions. It would mean being the perfect soldier who could defeat any foe, without feeling the need to break any humanitarian laws and while being magnanimous and respectful in victory.

His military record mixed with his record of world-changing scientific breakthroughs would make him exceptionally popular 'back home' in whatever country he landed in, I've decided it would clearly be the UK (;)) and he would inevitably run for Parliament and win his seat as a politician by a landslide victory.

In no time at all he would rise to lead his party and become Prime Minister. His vast knowledge and intelligence, mixed with his preternatural charisma and sterling record for public service, AND the fact that he would almost exude an aura of Complete Amazingness (as seems to be the norm for Primarchs in the HH books) would mean that there would be few laws he could not pass through the House of Commons and, indirectly, through the House of Lords.

He would write compellingly on so many subjects, ranging from the sciences to philosophy, to politics, law, religion, theology and economics. He would appear in every magazine and TV station, and the internet would be alive with images and stories of him.

His popular support would be massive. Imagine the Beatles at their height, mixed with the Pope, mixed with the turn out for the death of Princess Diana and President Kennedy mixed with the turn out for the Hindu Kumbh Mela - THOSE would be the sorts of crowds he could command in terms of popular support.

Although their would be dissenting voices, if the majority of people in the world who benefited directly and indirectly from all the scientific and social advances made by our fictional Primarch all voted for him and insisted upon his appointment as a sort of authoritative Secretary General In Perpetuity to a re-formed, centralised and genuinely powerful governmental UN, then eventually it would happen.

Yes there might be resistance and some wars - what Primarch story would be complete without a few of them - but he'd get there, and he wouldn't have to become a movie star first. He would be too famous, too important and too busy to waste time pretending to be a cool superhero, because he really would be a cool superhero.

I think. :)

Lotan
04-08-2008, 23:01
I was picked to lead not to read...I choose number 3!


QFT!

To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women.

Gobbo Trouble
04-08-2008, 23:18
If we had a Primarch in the EU who managed somehow to win everyone over so we all thought that the EU was THE Best Thing Ever, and if that super-genius Primarch also made all the EU structures work efficiently and fairly so that Members benefitted far more in terms of economy and social justice than any non Members around the world, then this fictional EU could most certainly mount very effective pressure on any other power block, including the USA.

As things stand, China wields power over certain aspects of the US (or at least its interests) far out of proportion with their militaristic inequalities. Yes China has the largest land army in the world, but that isn't where their real power lies. The USA has hardware enough to flatten China from afar (not that this is likely to happen). If China decided to restrict the amount of underwear they produce for, and export to, the USA (as they threatened to a few years back), the effect this action would have upon the US economy would be massive.

I could imagine a contemporary earth bound Primarch excelling beyond all records in the sciences and sports at school, bearing in mind that he would be a full adult within just a couple of years, and that he would ace all his exams and head for university where he would already be more knowledgeable than many of his lecturers.

He would then fly through his Bachelors, MA, MPhil and PhD and even manage to make several world changing breakthroughs in sustainable energy production and supply, genetic engineering, resource management and medicine, all before his own genetic coding begins to shout too loudly for him to ignore and he joins the military.

Once in the military he would obviously be an officer and would be exemplary in battle in a way and too a degree that no human has ever witnessed or heard of before. Like the other Primarchs, he would take the norms of his society and do everything necessary to assure unity and peace on his planet. On earth that wouldn't mean Ghengis Khan invasions. It would mean being the perfect soldier who could defeat any foe, without feeling the need to break any humanitarian laws and while being magnanimous and respectful in victory.

His military record mixed with his record of world-changing scientific breakthroughs would make him exceptionally popular 'back home' in whatever country he landed in, I've decided it would clearly be the UK () and he would inevitably run for Parliament and win his seat as a politician by a landslide victory.

In no time at all he would rise to lead his party and become Prime Minister. His vast knowledge and intelligence, mixed with his preternatural charisma and sterling record for public service, AND the fact that he would almost exude an aura of Complete Amazingness (as seems to be the norm for Primarchs in the HH books) would mean that there would be few laws he could not pass through the House of Commons and, indirectly, through the House of Lords.

He would write compellingly on so many subjects, ranging from the sciences to philosophy, to politics, law, religion, theology and economics. He would appear in every magazine and TV station, and the internet would be alive with images and stories of him.

He would certainly come to be His popular support would be massive. Imagine the Beatles at their height, mixed with the Pope, mixed with the turn out for the death of Princess Diana and President Kennedy mixed with the turn out for the Hindu Kumbh Mela - THOSE would be the sorts of crowds he could command in terms of popular support.

Although their would be dissenting voices, if the majority of people in the world who benefited directly and indirectly from all the scientific and social advances made by our fictional Primarch all voted for him and insisted upon his appointment as a sort of authoritative Secretary General In Perpetuity to a re-formed, centralised and genuinely powerful governmental UN, then eventually it would happen.

Yes there might be resistance and some wars - what Primarch story would be complete without a few of them - but he'd get there, and he wouldn't have to become a movie star first. He would be too famous, too important and too busy to waste time pretending to be a cool superhero, because he really would be a cool superhero.


bravo! enjoyed reading that.

try to keep african politics out though. cheers.

Burning Star IV
04-08-2008, 23:27
@ MvS: Thank you for all of that. I second it.

grumpy old gamer
04-08-2008, 23:51
Imagine if he landed in the UK - the first and only Primarch Chav - his legion , Sons of Burberry windmilling through the land to unite the world.
We would be known throughout the imperium as the world of cheap argos bling and addias clad astrates would get drunk and lose fights against pretty much everyone unless they out numered five to one.
You can imagine The Chav saying to the Big E. I swears down that I had nuffin to do with nicking ya poxy landraider inn it bruv. Those gavvers - pointing at bemoused arbites judges - gots it in for me aint they. Any way I self defenced my self against that Horus bruv cause he was well up for it but I was like mashed out me head like. By the way bruv I'm buzzin down Big E you livin' up to ya name or what ?
Or something like that anyway..

Koryphaus
05-08-2008, 00:19
MvS, that was very well put. Brilliantly in fact. The way we all respond to his posts makes me wonder if he isn't 8' tall, genetically engineered, and destined to lead Legion II or XI..

Knight_Yellow
05-08-2008, 03:55
I doubt a Primarch landing in Iran or North Korea would end up conquering the world in the name of Islam/Commies.

The other primarchs we know of seem to have a basic sence of right and wrong and oftenly do the smart thing, something that a Jihad nor a Red Terra would be.

Nor would he lead planet Ear... im sorry Planet McDonalds/Microsoft in the name of the West either.

Koryphaus
05-08-2008, 05:08
Jihad? Look at Lorgar.

slaanghoul
05-08-2008, 05:46
I doubt a Primarch landing in Iran or North Korea would end up conquering the world in the name of Islam/Commies.

The other primarchs we know of seem to have a basic sence of right and wrong and oftenly do the smart thing, something that a Jihad nor a Red Terra would be.

Nor would he lead planet Ear... im sorry Planet McDonalds/Microsoft in the name of the West either.

I don't know, Primarch would have to stand for something. What ever he stands for.... all human must join him or die . .. .

True Islam and True Commies is not so bad. . . just that human tends to screw everything up. True Commies universe would be. . . everybody have jobs and have access to everything. You a Doctor or a Farmer. . . all the same, u would have the same kind of house and cars. If the doctor has a car, the farmer would have it to. But we all know that it is not possible.

Nazguire
05-08-2008, 05:47
Jihad? Look at Lorgar.


And look where that landed him.

Forever damned with his head on fire in the Eye of Terror.

Koryphaus
05-08-2008, 05:54
Exactly. But we'd better get off the quasi religio-political discussion, because if we go too much further people will do what people do best, and the mods will inevitably be forced to close the thread.

slaanghoul
05-08-2008, 06:02
A primarch is a Primarch .. . so if they do land on earth. All of our problem would be solved. The reason why none of us can say what he will or will not do is because if we have the true and right answer we would be the world savior by now, LOL.

Bottom line is, it is fiction . . .. so when primarch lands. . . Earth is saved. We all have unlimited energy and food supply, no more wars, no more pollution, and no more crime.
Happy ever after .... till the Emperor lands and sucked us into their backward Imperial system and we all get to be IG.

Koryphaus
05-08-2008, 07:20
Be a bit boring wouldn't it? No war, hunger, disease, everyone getting along.. Heck, the newspapers would have to print good news for a change!

Phoenix Blaze
05-08-2008, 09:21
A primarch is a Primarch .. . so if they do land on earth. All of our problem would be solved. The reason why none of us can say what he will or will not do is because if we have the true and right answer we would be the world savior by now, LOL.

Bottom line is, it is fiction . . .. so when primarch lands. . . Earth is saved. We all have unlimited energy and food supply, no more wars, no more pollution, and no more crime.
Happy ever after .... till the Emperor lands and sucked us into their backward Imperial system and we all get to be IG.



But what if he's like Konrad? Yes our society isn't the one that made Konrad into the Batman that he is, but what if a Primarch landed and, knowing of his superiority just decided that us as humans didn't deserve to live the way we do.

slaanghoul
05-08-2008, 09:33
But what if he's like Konrad? Yes our society isn't the one that made Konrad into the Batman that he is, but what if a Primarch landed and, knowing of his superiority just decided that us as humans didn't deserve to live the way we do.

I think that night hunter fluff is a bit flaw also. Well unless his planet has population of a few thousands were a serial killers can cuz such a fear. If Night Hunter landed on earth, he would have to do what Al' Quida did a thousands or so time inorder for Earth to be scare of him or for crime to stop.

Killing a few hundred or so crime boss or evil dictator just not enough in the real world.

Gobbo Trouble
05-08-2008, 11:20
but then imagine...what if one day the imperium found our planet and tried to indoctrinate us back into the imperium fold. How would we respond, our weaponry is definately good enough to give a good fight back if we could all unite. Would the imperium look at our sciences as a way of improving there own forgotten grasp of how technology works etc..etc..

we all know the religious nuts would have none of it and claim its the devil or whatever, but what about the rest of us?

TheOverlord
05-08-2008, 11:33
If the Night Haunter could conquer his world through terrorizing everyone into cowing before his rule, I think nothing as mundane as 'seperatist' culture would stop a Primarch from consuming this world as his/hers (that's right!)

Actually, if a primarch landed on earth, then the Emperor would find him, and then there wouldn't be a Horus Heresy! :D

MvS
05-08-2008, 13:00
MvS, that was very well put. Brilliantly in fact. The way we all respond to his posts makes me wonder if he isn't 8' tall, genetically engineered, and destined to lead Legion II or XI..
Now, now, we all know there are no such thing as Primarchs.

Referring back to my last post and fictional political revolutions, I recently bumped into an enthusiastic Turkish guy with some outspoken opinions about social justice how the EU and the UN should be reformed. He also had some pretty far-fetched ideas about gene-therapy research and development. Kept asking me if I wanted to go into business with him.

Dude was friendly enough but seemed a little flakey to me. Doubt anything will come of it.

Anyway, thanks for your comments on my post! :)


~ Malcador von Sigilite

Col. Tartleton
05-08-2008, 17:43
He'd be a mixture of Bono and Schwarzenegger. A very popular European whose influence is respected world wide and his muscles are feared... he'd be a sports player/musician/actor start a bunch of charities and fix the worlds problems and then he'd go into politics and be voted in and have an extremely long term like a century. Then he'd slowly reorganize the entire worlds economy and make it socialistic but effective. He'd then go on to colonize the star system, and using his knowhow and advanced technologies he'd expand around the region and build industrial centers on Mars and Titan and create a space shipyard in the space between earth and the moon. Make the moon a fortress and nuclear stockpile. Order vast construction works that change the landscape of countries and make the earth beautiful. Then we'd create a warp engine and geller fields and go searching for the Deus Imperator like Dorn did.

Kildash
05-08-2008, 18:00
All I know is that he would immediatly adopt me and make me First Company Captain... Ow, and wouldn't it be weird for the Primarch to see miniature space marines on tables?

Lotan
05-08-2008, 18:19
He'd be a mixture of Bono and Schwarzenegger.

NOOO! Don't ever compare Bono to a primarch! He's a giant tool! Deserts etc get drier and wetlands get wetter due to global warming, making third world area suffer the most, then he holds massive concerts in aid of charity that have a carbon footprint that could kill a small planet! He's not charismatic! He's a jumped up pretentious goon that made crap music. Charity begins at home Mr! There's homeless people and people that can't get medical treatment because their local NHS fund doesn't have the budget to allow them to, meanwhile the government gives millions to third world charities every year! I'm sorry, I'm not a racist/bigot or whatever other people will claim me to be, I just think comparing Bono to primarch like charisma is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

PARTYCHICORITA
05-08-2008, 18:26
My money is on MvS's idea, he sum it up pretty well.

Mr.terminatorbob
05-08-2008, 21:10
MvS has a good idea, but as posted, what would he do when he see's all these small plastic space marines, and reads the fluff? It would be weird..

lotrchampion
05-08-2008, 21:18
Brian Blessed is a Primarch who was transported back in time through the warp to Mexborough, Doncaster. Well known fact.

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Also explains a lot about some of the population of my fair Doncaster if stuff pops out thw warp regularly here....

jfrazell
05-08-2008, 21:20
He would leverage is uber pwonage to become master UFC/WWF champion. Too late would he realize thats just a showy front and he'd spend the rest of his days in a used trailer...er never mind.

Dictator of some two bit country?

Col. Tartleton
05-08-2008, 22:22
I was joking about Bono he is a tool. But I do like U2, I just don't like the environment...

Odds are he'd land in Canada and get eaten by a bear and never be heard from or amount to anything.

baphomael
05-08-2008, 22:40
But, in all seriousness, Africa couldn't unite. They are, for the most part, fighting over religious differences and/or not wanting to be part of the same country with each other. You can blame colonialism for that.

Rwanda? The genocide in Rwanda is a result of colonialism. The difference between hutus and tutsis is entirely artificial - created by the Dutch.

Its certainly not all about religion and its certainly not all about 'not wanting to be part of the same country'.


[QUOTE=Savior117;2836514]Right now most of Africa wants nothing more than to fracture into 30-40 nations, unity is pretty for away from the minds of a good number of people right now.



Africa already is several separate nations. Africa is a continent of many different independent states - much like europe, asia, south america. The thing to note, however, is that Africa's nationstates were created through little more than colonial powers drawing lines in the sand. The conflicts arise through failing to consider what cultures are forced into the same 'box'.


Really, they want nothing more than to kill each other. Telling Africans to play nice would be like trying to tell the Middle East to get along with Europe/the US.



Israel and the Arabian states get along fine with the US ;) anyways, African conflict is predominated by civil conflict *within* states, rather than between them. Rwanda, the most notable example, was between ethnic identities artificially created by European colonialists.


It wouldn't, couldn't happen. Sorry for the serious generalizations but for the sake of my sanity I really don't want to go into every African nation's political policies and every internal conflict present in those nations.



It *could* potentially happen. Perhaps not a single unified African state, but more along the lines of Europe.

olmsted
05-08-2008, 22:46
if a primarch showed up id follow him to the ends of the world. they would make a statue in my honor. Todd Olmsted first fan boy of the New World Leader

Koryphaus
06-08-2008, 01:30
All I know is that he would immediatly adopt me and make me First Company Captain... Ow, and wouldn't it be weird for the Primarch to see miniature space marines on tables?

Well, he'd win every tournament

Nazguire
06-08-2008, 02:19
I was joking about Bono he is a tool. But I do like U2, I just don't like the environment...

Odds are he'd land in Canada and get eaten by a bear and never be heard from or amount to anything.

The Primarch would eat the bear. Then MacGuyver it's pelt into a weapon of mass destruction.

fracas
06-08-2008, 03:50
He is already here. Obama.
which Obama i'll leave up to you.



just curious where this thread will end up. PnR. RM. Waste?

olmsted
06-08-2008, 04:56
nah cant be obama is the anti christ. and its no the one hiding in the middle east.

Koryphaus
06-08-2008, 05:18
Say what? :wtf:

MvS
06-08-2008, 06:28
There seems to be a little confusion between Barack Obama the Democratic candidate for the US presidential election and Osama bin Laden, the terrorist ********...

Critias
06-08-2008, 06:41
He is already here. Obama.
which Obama i'll leave up to you.
How many Obamas do you think there are?

Eetion
06-08-2008, 11:05
1....
Barack Obama (well more than 1 no doubt, im sure some share the name, but none are Primarch otential.)

The other being Osama

slaanghoul
06-08-2008, 11:49
1....
Barack Obama (well more than 1 no doubt, im sure some share the name, but none are Primarch otential.)

The other being Osama

What are you trying to say here? "but none are Primarch otential" wtf is this????

Ranger S2H
06-08-2008, 12:00
I like the idea where the primarch sees the 40k fluff and miniatures, and I wonder how all 40k fans will respond when someone recognises him as a primarch.

could a few GW developers actually be psykers or farseers?:P

nazrag
06-08-2008, 12:36
Well there are some who think he arrived 2000 years ago. Keept trying to make society better and talking about his father in the sky. Nailed him the cross is what we did with him :p

My personal theory is that he landed in the UK somewhere 30 years ago, then along with 2 (or was it 3) of his friends he started a magazine that concerned miniatyres and rpg. You all know how that went :rolleyes:

ChaosBeast
06-08-2008, 12:49
since he'd be such a genius he'd hack into america's nukes launch them at every other nuclear-capable country, and watch society collapse, then he'd unite his army of whoever (depending where he landed) take over the degenerated earth and solve the nuclear radiation problems. he would rule Earth as a tyranical dictator until the Emporer came.

Eetion
06-08-2008, 14:59
Thing they tend to get adopted by planetary rulers/powerful individuals too. Perturabo, Mortarion, Guilleman, Khan (I think).
It could be he lands right in the living room of the most powerful individual on the planet... As id like to say US but presidents get voted out i wont do, there power is limited... So thats son of Kim in North Korea.

Col. Tartleton
06-08-2008, 15:16
I think that Osama Bin Laden would be the type of person that a primarch would be. Tall and athletic, descended/adopted from some of the most powerful royalty. A "freedom" fighter who defended his adopted countrymen from the big guy that was the soviet using his money for support and his own skill as a soldier. Fanatically doctrinal and terrifying charismatic leading a secret society with cells of operation all over the world. Plotting world take over through acts of shocking extremism.

If Bin Laden had accomplished anything, then I'd say he'd be like a primarch. But he's not only a bit crazy, he's an epic failure.

Ravensgard
06-08-2008, 15:45
Well, I read a lot of interessting things here. A few possibilities i would believe :
- A primarch landing in Africa, raised by the tribe's chief. Let's say the primarch is black and the black people see him as some kind of profet (every religion has a profet of some sort). He manages to unite Africa (maybe discarding the colonial borders and give each tribe back his land). Since there are a lot of black people in the world many will follow him and as leader of a (now) united continent will receive some global power. Then making pacts with the other continents to fight terrorism he will earn respect and since he will outlive most worldleaders he may become worlds most powerfull leader.
another theory is maybe he will be working behind screens (maybe not primarch like) but by pulling strings he may unite the world and then reveal himself.
3rd theory : somewhere there is some succesfull sportsmen or whatever and suddenly the Emporer arrives and he is the only one who recognizes him as his son and he shoots everyone who disagree.

btw, nice idea about Osama but would personally go for Alexander the Great as Primarch :-D

olmsted
06-08-2008, 15:55
hm except i dont think a primarch could be killed by 4 nails and a stab to the gut. also i dont see that really holding him for long.

also im sure theres some one stronger then kim jong il. has to be the man has made sure that north korea thinks he came out of a panda.

FashaTheDog
06-08-2008, 18:19
Well lets at least be willing to keep this within the fluff and go from the majority conclusion that through whatever means Primarch II or XI unites the world. What then? I see a golden age where humans colonize the solar system before moving on to all corners of the galaxy with technology ever expanding in new directions. The Primarch would eventually die and sometime after the great human empire would fall and aliens and petty warlords would devour and enslave the remaining human population with Earth cut off and human civilization decending into barbarity across the galaxy. From there this other fellow from Turkey pops up and does his stuff and cleans up after his deceased creation's tattered empire.

Or even better, Turkey is where Primarch II or XI actually landed and he took a sabatical for a few thousand years (maybe a great project or sorts) rather than actucally dying and decided enough is enough and it was time to fix things. Looking back, he decides he needs 20 great super humans like himself to lead his mighty empire in his stead. This way when he takes his break again, things do not collapse all over again. He does so, reunites much of his empire, leaves the surviving great super humans (loses two along the way), and resumes work on his project. All is well until one of those left in charge decides to rebel and ends up wounding Primarch II or XI before being cut down. The wounded Primarch hops on the Golden Throne and hey, look at that, it all fits in the fluff perfectly!

Adra
06-08-2008, 18:39
You dont think that the landing of a super human gentic man-bull from space would change our world in some way? You dont think that just the existance of the primarch on our world would create ripples of change on a massive scale? Firstly it would show their was life in the stars, and that life would seem to be close to us. Our brothers and sisters. Primarchs are not exactly human but a simple blood test can spot how close we are to them. Wouldnt it move mankind into reaching for the stars and wouldnt the primarch, with all his leadership skills, probably be at the front of these changes. Mankind may try and unite under one banner of brotherhood. All sounds nice but no way everyone would go along with this as not everyone loves unity. And low, so it was that He rose to stand against them that would slow mans race to haven, walking the armies of freedom against them and crushing them. And slowly im sure he would gain more and more influence in this difficult time and before you know it guess hows calling the shots.

ryng_sting
14-08-2008, 20:25
NOOO! Don't ever compare Bono to a primarch! He's a giant tool! Deserts etc get drier and wetlands get wetter due to global warming, making third world area suffer the most, then he holds massive concerts in aid of charity that have a carbon footprint that could kill a small planet! He's not charismatic! He's a jumped up pretentious goon that made crap music.

Your taste in music is as questionable as your sentences.

CthulhuDalek
14-08-2008, 22:32
He would show up in small movies, being beaten up by Bruce Lee, then do some series like Texas Rangers before rising to full fame and glory;)

Fraggin' brilliant. I was waiting for that.

CthulhuDalek
14-08-2008, 22:50
He'd be a mixture of Bono and Schwarzenegger. A very popular European whose influence is respected world wide and his muscles are feared... he'd be a sports player/musician/actor start a bunch of charities and fix the worlds problems and then he'd go into politics and be voted in and have an extremely long term like a century. Then he'd slowly reorganize the entire worlds economy and make it socialistic but effective. He'd then go on to colonize the star system, and using his knowhow and advanced technologies he'd expand around the region and build industrial centers on Mars and Titan and create a space shipyard in the space between earth and the moon. Make the moon a fortress and nuclear stockpile. Order vast construction works that change the landscape of countries and make the earth beautiful. Then we'd create a warp engine and geller fields and go searching for the Deus Imperator like Dorn did.

He's....Doc Savage!