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StormWulfen
05-08-2008, 13:46
i was looking at one of the many aquilas on my 40k stuff and noticed that one head has no eye and the right leg looks deformed. is there a reason for this or is it a screwup by GW:confused::chrome:

Dominus_Serui
05-08-2008, 13:58
Provide images...probably a misscast...probably NOT fluff.

Melchor
05-08-2008, 13:59
Well if you look at the printed version of the Aquila, one head has an eye and the other doesn't... So THAT is probably intentional.

StormWulfen
05-08-2008, 14:09
will try to find a pic but i have only seen this on my case and some boxes:chrome:

Tonberry
05-08-2008, 14:13
About the eyes, from Lexicanum:

During the times before the Horus Heresy, the two headed eagle was blind-folded on one side, and the other had eyes. The backward facing blinded side represented looking back into the past, while the forward facing sighted eagle was looking into the future. After the Heresy, and the Imperial Cult took hold, the Aquila's means changed to represent the two headed Empire of the Imperium and the Adeptus Mechanicus.

Norminator
05-08-2008, 14:20
The 'deformed' leg is mechanical; it represents the Skitarii and Titan Legions of the Mechanicus, alongside the other claw which represents the Imperial Guard and Astartes.

Edit: Here's a pic of the Eagle with the blind head and the mechanical claw http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/9/97/300px-Imperial_eagle.jpg

Rhamag
05-08-2008, 14:29
@Norminator: The rest of that site's politics are too extreme for Warseer. You might want to find a better source for your pics, keep the mods happy. Good pic though.

MvS
05-08-2008, 14:36
@Norminator: The rest of that site's politics are too extreme for Warseer.
That's an understatement if ever there was one, although I bow to your diplomacy...

Lewis
05-08-2008, 14:37
What on earth was a 40K image doing on that site? If ever there's a case for Games Workshop to get picky over who's using their intellectual property it's here!

Norminator
05-08-2008, 14:41
Aargh, that's the last time I do a google image search in good faith! I've changed the link to something a bit less, um, extreme.

Kelkyen
05-08-2008, 22:36
The original 40K Rogue Trader rulebook, page 141 has a pic of the aquila and points out what the parts mean.

The head with an eye is the Adeptus Astra Telepathica, the blind head is the Adeptus Astronomica. The body is the Adeptus Custodes, The wings the Mechanicus, the flesh claw is the Administratum, the metal looking leg is the Adeptus Arbites.

Can't give you pic, my scanner died.

Brother Siccarius
05-08-2008, 23:13
Well if you look at the printed version of the Aquila, one head has an eye and the other doesn't... So THAT is probably intentional.

One eye, blind to the past, the other, sighted, looking to the future. As it was explained in Flight of the Eisenstein.

Feor
05-08-2008, 23:53
Pre-Heresy, you're right Siccarius, you'll notice, however, that post heresey the "blind" eye has switched sides. The Imperium, no longer looking towards the future, but brooding on the past.

Phunting
05-08-2008, 23:56
What on earth was a 40K image doing on that site? If ever there's a case for Games Workshop to get picky over who's using their intellectual property it's here!It was a thread about 40k on their forum. Even fascist nut-jobs play games it appears.


I have a Space Marine Army with a Third Reich theme and an Imperial Guard army to ally with, with the same theme, but the banners are custom made to look like the Nazi Party Standards. (I love how the Aquila symbol looks on top of it!):eyebrows: :(

Hmm, I can't believe I've never noticed the claw before! Although acording to RT that claw is meant to represent the Arbites...


Pre-Heresy, you're right Siccarius, you'll notice, however, that post heresey the "blind" eye has switched sides. The Imperium, no longer looking towards the future, but brooding on the past.I think the blind one has always been the right hand one hasn't it?

StormWulfen
06-08-2008, 07:45
thanks people that explains it although im sure GW could have made the mechanical leg look more mechanical not deformed:chrome:

Chainsworded Codpiece
06-08-2008, 15:33
thanks people that explains it although im sure GW could have made the mechanical leg look more mechanical not deformed:chrome:

They've been using roughly the same Aquila logo since 1987. It's an 'homage', really.
An homage to when their 40k was as gritty and medieval-looking as their WFB (and was, in fact, just an extension of WFB, at first).
If they made the leg look "mechanical", then it would change the logo substantially, adding an intricacy of detail that would actually make the iconography look...well, wierd.
"Wierd", in the sense of being utterly different from what we were used to.

And also, let's recall the state of prosthetics in M41. Have you seen any AdMech who DON'T look deformed?!

EDIT: Also, concerning the site where the logo was found...

People, 40K was originally a send-up of fascism and theocracy. Made by (mostly) leftists.

But the truth is, right-wingers and, yes, nazi scumbags actually dig the stuff that we consider "coolly absurd" as well. They just see it as a "wish list" rather than as a "guilty pleasure".

And by the way, there are people on Warseer who are AVOWED National Socialists, racial supremacists, and imperialist-racists. And there are plenty who are, but won't outwardly characterize themselves as such.

It sucks, but there you go.

Would you be as shocked if it had been a Trotskyite forum?

Norminator
06-08-2008, 17:14
EDIT: Also, concerning the site where the logo was found...

People, 40K was originally a send-up of fascism and theocracy. Made by (mostly) leftists.

But the truth is, right-wingers and, yes, nazi scumbags actually dig the stuff that we consider "coolly absurd" as well. They just see it as a "wish list" rather than as a "guilty pleasure".

And by the way, there are people on Warseer who are AVOWED National Socialists, racial supremacists, and imperialist-racists. And there are plenty who are, but won't outwardly characterize themselves as such.

It sucks, but there you go.

Would you be as shocked if it had been a Trotskyite forum?

Please don't derail this thread with P&R. If you really want to discuss it you can PM me, but otherwise it'd be a shame to force the mods to move this.

Chainsworded Codpiece
07-08-2008, 00:56
Please don't derail this thread with P&R. If you really want to discuss it you can PM me, but otherwise it'd be a shame to force the mods to move this.

Yeah, sorry. I just mentioned it because people seemed genuinely surprised/disturbed that a far-reactionary site had Imperium/40K stuff on it.

My bad. I also shouldn't have-used the term "right-winger" as synonymous with Nazi, that was tres uncool of me. I retract that.