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slaanghoul
07-08-2008, 15:23
OK i just got Xenology book. i haven't read it yet, just flipping the pages and looking at pictures. I noticed that Eldar and Ork pictures do not have male organ. WTF?? Is this in the fluff or the artist didn't want to draw it??

Chaos Undecided
07-08-2008, 15:27
Well Orks are genderless with new ones growing from the spores given off of adults so they wouldnt have any sexual organs. As for the Eldar well I guess they probably left out such details to avoid having to have any possible certification on the book

slaanghoul
07-08-2008, 15:34
Well Orks are genderless with new ones growing from the spores given off of adults so they wouldnt have any sexual organs. As for the Eldar well I guess they probably left out such details to avoid having to have any possible certification on the book

But have you seen the drawing I'm talking about? It looks like 2 little "claws" kind of like the mouth of Predator movie dude.

Charax
07-08-2008, 15:39
It's an autopsy

things get cut open, splayed, cut off and generally don't look much like they did in life during an autopsy

DapperAnarchist
07-08-2008, 18:32
genital autopsies are, according to my medical friends, the second creepiest thing to legally do to a corpse (the first, interestingly, is handling the brain, since its like grey chicken scented cake mix).

Also, those bits are the flaps of skin that previously covered roughly where the love handles start on a human. The Eldar appears to have been totally exposed from neck to perineum... that or the rectangular pattern above is in fact the interior of the skin, and the genitals are concealed by the turned over stomach skin.

Kage2020
07-08-2008, 18:39
Everyone has a different "creep factor" when it comes to human dissection. The toes got to me for some strange reason. For someone else it was the face, and for another person it was the shoulder (not quite sure about that one, though! ;)). Other than the toes, I was all go, except when pulled back from the cadavers because my stomach was rumbling. (Hey! It can look like chicken!)

Anyway, from my memory of that traves... erm, that book, isn't the rib cage folded down over where human males have their twig and giggle-berries?

*checks last post... Aye, more than likely *

Kage

Emperor's Grace
07-08-2008, 19:55
Why would you expect an alien biology to have human parts?

Kage2020
07-08-2008, 19:59
Anthropomorphism.

That's it. That and the older 'fluff' suggested they had the right innie and outtie parts. But not a lot, really.

Kage

slaanghoul
07-08-2008, 20:06
Why would you expect an alien biology to have human parts?

well what were you expecting? a webway portal?

Eldar looks just like human in everyway except for the ears and some minor cheekbones and such .. .so i kind of expect for them to have a male organ.

They have 10 fingers and 10 toes, so I expect them to be like us.

Wraith
07-08-2008, 20:40
Why would you expect an alien biology to have human parts?

Convergent evolution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convergent_evolution)...

Emperor's Grace
09-08-2008, 16:44
Convergent evolution happens far, far less often than divergent evolution.

And is dependent on them having similar evolutionary pressures, which I can't see being true given the difference of environment and their psychic nature.

The one answer that I'd semi-accept would be that the old ones cribbed us off an eldar template (and I'd still have issues with that).


well what were you expecting? a webway portal?

Eldar looks just like human in everyway except for the ears and some minor cheekbones and such .. .so i kind of expect for them to have a male organ.

They have 10 fingers and 10 toes, so I expect them to be like us.

So a platypus must be a fowl because it has webbed feet and a bill?

I'd expect alien parts on an alien. Maybe they resemble ours... but likely they don't.


Anthropomorphism.

That's it. That and the older 'fluff' suggested they had the right innie and outtie parts. But not a lot, really.

Kage

Anthropomorphism is, in fact, the subtle point I was trying to make. Cookie to Kage.

As to right parts, how else would Captain Kirk be able to do what he does best ;)

robertsjf
09-08-2008, 18:18
Did I also read that section correctly concerning eldar waste being crystaline?

StarshipBOb
09-08-2008, 18:47
^
If spoor means poo, then I guess it does.

MrBigMr
09-08-2008, 19:07
Naughty bitz: the text says Eldar (male) naughty bits are similar to human ones. So I'm picting somesort of a staff with a tip and a hole on it. And most likely flapping externaly and not some internal "come out when needed" thingy. My theory still stands that the Eldar have no ballz. They don't store the stuff and many animal have internal ones, kept cool via circulating blood the right way. Would give the Eldar a much aerodynamic appearance.

Poo: Remember that even pearls are crystalline structures. I don't think the Eldar squeeze shards of crystal, but sort of finely processed "paste" or "dropling", which have more than few qualities over *********** all over the place. Some birds poop in packages, that are easy to dispose out of the nest. As a warrior race, the Eldar are sure to crap in the woods, especially during the early days, so the added sanity of "clean" handling of fecal matter lessens the chance of an epidemic spreading among the troops. Same with body hair, which can contain lice and other things like that.

PondaNagura
09-08-2008, 19:25
crystaline eh? hmm, maybe that's where dark eldar get their ammo for splinter rifles from?

robertsjf
09-08-2008, 19:42
maybe that's where dark eldar get their ammo for splinter rifles from?


Ah, the modeling possibilities....

different13
10-08-2008, 08:16
Because as we all know, the best eldar food stings twice. Once when eaten, and once when fired at you in full automatic mode after being sliced to a molecular thickness and coated with poison.

NashTrickster
10-08-2008, 09:29
It is a well known fact that the Eldar reproductive system is in their hands... ;)

Why else do you think Eldrad said "I thank you for the pleasure you're giving me" to the Emperor when they met and hand shaked? :angel:

DarkAzrael169
11-08-2008, 06:50
well what were you expecting? a webway portal?

Eldar looks just like human in everyway except for the ears and some minor cheekbones and such .. .so i kind of expect for them to have a male organ.

They have 10 fingers and 10 toes, so I expect them to be like us.

Eldar don't have Testicles. The sperm is produced during sex.

Eckshale
11-08-2008, 13:48
Eldar don't have Testicles. The sperm is produced during sex.

What creeps me out most is that someone actually bothered remembering this :p

MrBigMr
11-08-2008, 14:46
Well, to tell the truth Xenology never says they lack them, just that they don't have gemate storage, which is one of the functions of testis and sperm live better in cooler environment. So as the Eldar don't have to store the stuff, just make it and... fling it, the process can happen inside their bodies just as well.

DapperAnarchist
11-08-2008, 17:56
And Kroot don't cr*p. Seriously, they sweat out all their waste products (which is very little to start with).

Actually... where are Kroot genitals? Xenology says that they have "human-analogous" genitals, but are hooked up to the digestive system. However, they just seem to run around starkers the whole time.

MrBigMr
11-08-2008, 18:15
Doesn't Xenology say that they're stored behind the abdominal plates. So they would open up. The Kroot in Xenology might have developed human-like bits because it ate the Astropath's flesh and started to mutate. On the other hand, I've heard of a method where the Male rubs gemate via his hands on the females back. I think it's about what kidred they belong to. If they can grow wings and muscle mass on what they heat, developing naughty bits by their prey seems quite normal. Besides, as the same kidred eats the same food, they should all be compatable with each other. And when kidreds spread their genes to other groups, it's probably done via eating. Young are fed with the flesh of shapers to spread their knowledge.

Connected to the stomach? Yes, the Kroot pick up DNA they find useful and transfer it to their reproductive organs to allow their children to have strong qualities of the eaten flesh.

Bregalad
11-08-2008, 19:36
Quoted from an old WD article named "Index Xenos: The Kroot":

The Kroot generate little in the way of waste, excreting in the form of a pungent, oily sweat that has a variety of properties, depending on what the Kroot has consumed. The most apparent benefits are that this sweat appears to be heat retardant to a degree, has antibiotic properties and can cause a poorly aimed blow to slide clear. It is suspected that the Kroot can alter the properties of this secretion in order to leave pheromone trails, mark territories, leave warnings and even communicate with one another. (...)

The Kroot digestive system is extremely efficient, capable of breaking down almost any organic material into an energy form that can be stored in specialised organs scattered throughout their bodies called nymunes. Should anything inorganic and indigestible be consumed, the Kroot must regurgitate it, with considerable discomfort. (...)

Kroot reproduce by the male placing his hands upon a female's back and secreting an oily sweat containing his genetic structure. The DNA of the male is merged with that of the female and the resultant infants grow within one of the female's nymune organs until they are ready to be born. In much the same way as indigestible food is disposed of, the females regurgitate the Kroot infants. A Kroot female can give birth to seven or eight infants each year, though only around a quarter of those will survive to adulthood. Once born, the energy stored within the mother's nymunes serves to provide the stimulus required for the Kroot young to begin their accelerated growth.

Christine
11-08-2008, 20:12
I look forward to discussing the contents of this thread with the next Eldar player I encounter at my local gaming group :)

Burnthem
11-08-2008, 20:40
The Kroot Fluff is actually pretty original, nice touch with the whole 'regurgitation' thing.

Bregalad
11-08-2008, 22:54
Actually, Kroot have a fantastic background, including the carnivor part. The complete text is reprinted in the Kodex Kroot (page 3-8):
http://www.freewebs.com/pfreck/Kodex%2520Kroot%2520V4.2.pdf

DarkAzrael169
12-08-2008, 02:01
What creeps me out most is that someone actually bothered remembering this :p

Pshhh... :rolleyes:

Idaan
12-08-2008, 09:35
Eldar don't have Testicles. The sperm is produced during sex. There is no evidence suggesting that. "Xenology" says that the Eldar genitals are outwardly analogous to human. If there were a difference it would be noted: "except for the lack of testicles" or something like that. The only evidence is that their main function (sperm storage) isn't needed as the material is created during intercourse, but even that is only a speculation on Magos' part. Well, just as most other stuff in this book is - it's all too easy to disregard all of it.

TheBedla
12-08-2008, 09:55
The Kroot Fluff is actually pretty original, nice touch with the whole 'regurgitation' thing.

Indeed :)

What I appreciate is the idea of having sex by massage - to us it's merely foreplay, for them it's showtime :D

Eckshale
12-08-2008, 10:12
There is no evidence suggesting that. "Xenology" says that the Eldar genitals are outwardly analogous to human. If there were a difference it would be noted: "except for the lack of testicles" or something like that. The only evidence is that their main function (sperm storage) isn't needed as the material is created during intercourse, but even that is only a speculation on Magos' part. Well, just as most other stuff in this book is - it's all too easy to disregard all of it.


Okay then, so let's start brainstorming how it might actually look like..

I vote for dolphin!

slaanghoul
12-08-2008, 13:26
Convergent evolution happens far, far less often than divergent evolution.

And is dependent on them having similar evolutionary pressures, which I can't see being true given the difference of environment and their psychic nature.

The one answer that I'd semi-accept would be that the old ones cribbed us off an eldar template (and I'd still have issues with that).



So a platypus must be a fowl because it has webbed feet and a bill?

I'd expect alien parts on an alien. Maybe they resemble ours... but likely they don't.



Anthropomorphism is, in fact, the subtle point I was trying to make. Cookie to Kage.

As to right parts, how else would Captain Kirk be able to do what he does best ;)

I guess you think Legolas has a web way portal also.

By your stupid logic, I could say that Eldar have an ******* with teeth for chewing waste. The book never mention anything about it, but sure as heck would surprise me.

DapperAnarchist
12-08-2008, 13:38
Actually, by his rather good logic, you could, if the book didn't tell us otherwise. For example - by your logic, a tomcat should be pretty much the same as a hound in their underparts. They do look pretty similar. However, cats have hooks. How about pigs and other mammals? (its a bit like their tail). And there's plenty of variance in human populations, from folds of skin that cover up women bits to being natural priapic.

Why are Eldar like humans in their genitals? Cos the original writers wanted halfbreeds. Simple as that.

Also... who says the analogy is in appearance? Rather than purpose (gamete transfer, rather than... i dunno, something alien, I'm no biologist. Inserting a parasitic viral form that eventually buds off? I dunno.).

Emperor's Grace
12-08-2008, 14:54
Did I also read that section correctly concerning eldar waste being crystaline?

RL: Birds excrete uric acid crystals instead of urine ...


@slaanghoul

Personal attacks are a sure way to get your point across, right? Welcome to my Ignore list.

Frankly, I'm not sure why "alien parts" for "aliens" (raised in differing environments with different abilities) would strike anyone as odd logically...

Sildani
13-08-2008, 15:56
What creeps me out most is that someone actually bothered remembering this :p

I'm probably going to regret this, but... remembered from what?

MrBigMr
13-08-2008, 20:25
Why not? I mean, you never know when it's handy to know that there's a strong possibility that Eldar don't have balls. Though that doesn't mean you can't convert a marine busting his boot between an eldar's legs. The force of it is more than enough to shatter the pelvis and that if anything is a deadly blow.

robertsjf
13-08-2008, 23:37
RL: Birds excrete uric acid crystals instead of urine ...

They still expel fluid, though....

Bregalad
13-08-2008, 23:44
Actually it is more creamy like toothpaste :p
The bird's body is highly efficient and doesn't waste water (it also "breathes" while sucking air in AND breathing out).

DapperAnarchist
14-08-2008, 00:06
Holy... dude I need me some bird traits. I could use the same energy and do far more work! or, more realistically, I could do the same work for less energy...

Basically, something to remember, however weird the Xenology book may seem, very little is stranger than what goes on on this planet. The exceptions being all the psychic stuff and the Umbra. Occupying more than 3 spacial dimensions (as its theorised to do) is an as yet unexploited trick on this world.

slaanghoul
14-08-2008, 09:18
RL: Birds excrete uric acid crystals instead of urine ...


@slaanghoul

Personal attacks are a sure way to get your point across, right? Welcome to my Ignore list.

Frankly, I'm not sure why "alien parts" for "aliens" (raised in differing environments with different abilities) would strike anyone as odd logically...

Thank you for that. It just seems that every post I make, you would always try to belittle me or make smartass comment. You will be missed. I'm glade I'm on your ignore list, woot .. . now I don't have to deal with your BS ever.

Emperor's Grace
14-08-2008, 20:32
I know this is OffT and perhaps shouldn't be said here (mods, feel free to remove) but I saw this (I should've switched the Ignore on that day...) and felt that I had to make a point.

As far as I can remember, slaanghoul, this is only the second thread in which I've ever said anything directly in response to you.

You've been caustic to me ever since that first thread in which your reply (to my stating that I wouldn't post in there again) needed to be deleted by the mods due to it's nature. (BTW - I had let it slide, Wintermute found it all by himself.) I even let your post above regarding my "stupid logic" slide when I probably should have reported it for rudeness.

Now, I can tell by a quick check of posts that I'm not the only recipient of the vitriol but, overall, I just don't understand.

robertsjf
15-08-2008, 00:31
Actually it is more creamy like toothpaste :p


Sometimes it does, but guys trust me on this one (as I usually get stuck with clean up duty for my macaw) there are instances where the bird actually pisses fluid, at least the larger ones do....

slaanghoul
15-08-2008, 03:41
I know this is OffT and perhaps shouldn't be said here (mods, feel free to remove) but I saw this (I should've switched the Ignore on that day...) and felt that I had to make a point.

As far as I can remember, slaanghoul, this is only the second thread in which I've ever said anything directly in response to you.

You've been caustic to me ever since that first thread in which your reply (to my stating that I wouldn't post in there again) needed to be deleted by the mods due to it's nature. (BTW - I had let it slide, Wintermute found it all by himself.) I even let your post above regarding my "stupid logic" slide when I probably should have reported it for rudeness.

Now, I can tell by a quick check of posts that I'm not the only recipient of the vitriol but, overall, I just don't understand.

OK, plz put me on ignore. It is best for the both of us. I can't stand any of your comment, I just feel that you follow my threads and try to start a flame with me.

Emperor's Grace
15-08-2008, 14:12
Apologies to the other posters again for the OffT but accusations of an intentional flame war are hard to ignore and I feel should be dealt with in front of the community.


I just feel that you follow my threads and try to start a flame with me.

I don't think that this is a fair analysis.

You have 25 threads started (22 of which are in 40K background).
I have posts in exactly 4 of those 25 threads.
Two of which have direct reply to a post you made (this thread and the one I stopped posting in).
The other two have posts that were replies to Brother Siccarius or Joe Kutz.

As I said above, there are exactly two threads where I've spoken directly to you (and have been replied to rudely each time). I don't think that anyone here would agree that two threads can constitute "following", nor do I think that the content of my posts in those two threads would be judged "flaming".

I frequent 40K background and post in subjects that interest me. I've done this here since 1998. I don't look who started a thread before I start reading/replying. I will continue to peruse and post here but will endeavor not to directly engage you again. I would ask the same in return.



I can't stand any of your comment

You are free to add me to "Ignore" as well.

As I had to say in that original thread, this will be the last post that I make in this thread.

Eckshale
15-08-2008, 14:24
People just can't get along on the internet :(

madd0ct0r
15-08-2008, 14:35
On the unlikely subject of animal defecation:I know goldfish fart little ballons of protein.

Now to somehow bring that into Eldar physiology...

MrBigMr
15-08-2008, 14:43
On the unlikely subject of animal defecation:I know goldfish fart little ballons of protein.

Now to somehow bring that into Eldar physiology...
...and you won't ever want an Eldar cracking open his or her mesh armour. Skin tight suit and natural gasses don't work well together.

madd0ct0r
15-08-2008, 18:32
Perhaps a crude form of emergency propulsion?

slaanghoul
15-08-2008, 18:40
Apologies to the other posters again for the OffT but accusations of an intentional flame war are hard to ignore and I feel should be dealt with in front of the community.



I don't think that this is a fair analysis.

You have 25 threads started (22 of which are in 40K background).
I have posts in exactly 4 of those 25 threads.
Two of which have direct reply to a post you made (this thread and the one I stopped posting in).
The other two have posts that were replies to Brother Siccarius or Joe Kutz.

As I said above, there are exactly two threads where I've spoken directly to you (and have been replied to rudely each time). I don't think that anyone here would agree that two threads can constitute "following", nor do I think that the content of my posts in those two threads would be judged "flaming".

I frequent 40K background and post in subjects that interest me. I've done this here since 1998. I don't look who started a thread before I start reading/replying. I will continue to peruse and post here but will endeavor not to directly engage you again. I would ask the same in return.




You are free to add me to "Ignore" as well.

As I had to say in that original thread, this will be the last post that I make in this thread.

You're creeping me out. You actually took the time and check my history after you said you were going to ignore me. Yeah the two threads out of 25 is a high number because the two threads were with in a week. Before that, you didn't know me, and you never post any. Once you discover me, you start to post anit-slannghoul. We can disagree on issue, but don't stalk me just to nit pick.

Please Ignore me and don't be my post stalker. But since i hope that i'm in your ignore list, there shouldn't be any reply.

Man. . . all i wanted to know was if Eldar had a male organ or not. . . .sheeee.

madd0ct0r
15-08-2008, 18:45
BOTH OF YOU STOPPIT!

jeesh, can't we all have a discussion about fictional space elves and there (Potentially) even more fictious phalluses?

I'm personally voting for one shaped like an uncurling fern.
DE shave rude patterns onto theirs, like bonsai for Japanese buisness men.

Bregalad
15-08-2008, 21:55
I hate it when two trolls tell us for pages how much they like to ignore each other and keep on and keep on and keep on quoting each other, just to drag down an already dubious topic.

madd0ct0r
15-08-2008, 22:38
No comments without mentioning Eldar penises. I mean it.

MrBigMr
15-08-2008, 23:41
There's plenty of talk about the eldar having cat-like qualities. Farseer (which I'm reading at the moment) mentions that they have slightly cat-like eyes even. And didn't the old fluff even talk about them being evolved from cat-like creatures? Though it's not totally out of the question now either, since I doubt the Old Ones just started their DNA encoding from scrap and instead took naturally evolved creatures to advance and hone to perfection.

So, as ordered by madd0ct0r, anyone think an eldar junk is similar to a cat one: pointy and ribbed for her pleasure?

robertsjf
15-08-2008, 23:58
So, as ordered by madd0ct0r, anyone think an eldar junk is similar to a cat one: pointy and ribbed for her pleasure?

we are talking about a species that created slaanesh....

MrBigMr
16-08-2008, 00:04
we are talking about a species that created slaanesh....
If they did that with just a "human analogue", imagine if they had had Centauri junk from Babylon 5. I'm still a little creeped when Londo held the little statue of a Centauri male to someone (so that only the back was shown to the camera, but even at that angle it lookes like a freaking squid was working on his crotch) and asked: "You think these are just decorations?"

Iracundus
16-08-2008, 01:22
And didn't the old fluff even talk about them being evolved from cat-like creatures?

No it did not. That is just some random fan's random speculation based on very flimsy flawed logic along the lines of: Cats are graceful. Eldar are graceful. Therefore Eldar must be cats or descended from cats.

madd0ct0r
16-08-2008, 15:26
There's meant to be some sort of Xeno-cat the elder kept as pets.

Something to do with pyshic magnification, simialar to a familiar. There's an old picture about somewhere of it.

Charax
16-08-2008, 15:31
Gyrinx, psychic familiar, pictures in Rogue Trader and the 4th ed. rulebook

madd0ct0r
16-08-2008, 15:44
Merci.
It's irrelevant anyway.
Not many humans keep chimps as pets.

MrBigMr
16-08-2008, 16:09
Well, be as it may, so far what I've read at least state in exhausting armounts how the Eldar have feline characteristics. And is it really that hard to imagine? I mean, we've evolved from apes (anyone think there might be some Jokaero genes there that the Old Ones planted?), the tau have evolved from antilopes (a weird and twisted alien antilope, not a pure human antilope), so what makes it so hard to imagine the eldar might, just might be descendants of felines? Surely it's too clear cut answer to be true. After all, these are aliens we're talking about, not something some crazy person cooked in his head.

DapperAnarchist
16-08-2008, 16:50
Well, partly the current background saying their were designed as weapons in the War In Heaven...

Iracundus
16-08-2008, 17:01
Well, be as it may, so far what I've read at least state in exhausting armounts how the Eldar have feline characteristics.


Some random fan's expanded musings based on their own wishful thinking and on flimsy logic doesn't make it any more canon or true.




I mean, we've evolved from apes (anyone think there might be some Jokaero genes there that the Old Ones planted?), the tau have evolved from antilopes (a weird and twisted alien antilope, not a pure human antilope), so what makes it so hard to imagine the eldar might, just might be descendants of felines? Surely it's too clear cut answer to be true. After all, these are aliens we're talking about, not something some crazy person cooked in his head.

Wrong, we're not evolved from apes. Sharing a common ancestor with apes is NOT the same thing as saying humans evolved from apes. The two statements mean different phylogenies.

MrBigMr
16-08-2008, 17:02
Ok, build a weapon. Build an AK47.

First you need to dig for iron ore and other metals to make the gun. Then you need excavate some brass, lead and such to make the cartridges. Find coal, sulphur, etc. to make gun powder. Cut down trees to make the stock and grips.

The end result might be man made, but there isn't a single piece there that hasn't come from nature.


Seeing how the Old Ones planted the seeds of humanity on Earth, leading to them evolving into humans. It's not like they just jerked into a cup, applied some magic and puff: Man (and woman). Just like the Orks have animal and fungus all mixed in them, would suggest that the Old Ones didn't create DNA from nothing (imagine how boring that might be, pairing it one at a time), but took genes from around the galaxy and enhanced them to the desired result. Isn't it said that they planted genes on world and/or enhanced creatures to study them and especially their effect on the Warp?

DapperAnarchist
16-08-2008, 17:08
We did evolve from apes - the nearest common ancestor between us and the higher primates was still an ape. What we didn't evolve from was gorillas, chimps, or any other currently existing species or group.

The OO definitely could make something from nothing - as you point out, when they seeded worlds. But the Eldar were their greatest weapon. The Orks seem to be a primitive attempt at a weapon that could not be stopped - the Eldar are a work of art. I can imagine the Old One who made them crafting it from scratch.

MrBigMr
16-08-2008, 17:23
I've always found Orks to be more of a poisoned well. Something that's simple, effective and won't go away.

Wasn't it the Slann that made the Eldar, who were also a creation of the Old Ones? That's some image I've had, but might be old or non-existing fluff. Besides, like the cosmonaut said in Armageddon "American parts, Russian parts, all made in Taiwan."


Some random fan's expanded musings based on their own wishful thinking and on flimsy logic doesn't make it any more canon or true.
So a BL novel is fan musing? I quote Farseer:
"These feline xenogen..."
"The pupils reminded him unnervingly of a cat's."
(I won't start reading it through again, but those two were easy enough to find)

As far as GW is concerned, anything bearing the 40K tag is official.

Iracundus
16-08-2008, 18:39
So a BL novel is fan musing? I quote Farseer:
"These feline xenogen..."
"The pupils reminded him unnervingly of a cat's."
(I won't start reading it through again, but those two were easy enough to find)

As far as GW is concerned, anything bearing the 40K tag is official.

You need to read more carefully and not confuse literary style with literal statements.

fe·line
–adjective
1. belonging or pertaining to the cat family, Felidae.
2. catlike; characteristic of animals of the cat family: a feline tread.
3. sly, stealthy, or treacherous.


The word "feline" can be used an adjective without saying they are literally cats. "Catlike" is not the same as saying they are cats.

Also just because eyes reminded a character of cats does not suddenly mean Eldar are cats. Similarity of structure does not mean similarity of descent: a frog has 4 limbs and 2 eyes. So does a human. That doesn't mean humans are frogs.

DapperAnarchist
16-08-2008, 21:46
Or it could be bad writing...

MrBigMr
16-08-2008, 23:25
Well, before GW states anything for or against, we're both on the same level with out oppinions. You don't think so, I think that it's possible. Simple as that. See, GW never says anything like it is. It's all hints and POV crap, so we look at the fluff and make up our own minds. Some want to keep to the fluff as it is, which is always a good thing on matters that are never defined at all. I'm not saying "it must be so", merely "it is possible, because." It's a theory.

Like how people came to the conclusion that the Dragon is on Mars. So far I haven't seen a single statement to say "the C'Tan known as Void-Dragon is on Mars, within the Noctis Labyrinthus." But people think it is. I've never liked this theory a bit, but I do agree that it's a strong possibility.

No, there's not one clear evidence for Eldar = feline origin, but there's hints and possibilities. It's all subjective, so some see it and some don't. I've never found the mere "grace" and "arrogance" a decisive factor in the theory. I've placed the weight of it on other possibilities, but after that when we come to those things, they would support the theory a bit.

I have never said "it is so", merely that I think it's possible.

DapperAnarchist
17-08-2008, 00:00
Fair enough. Certainly its possible that the Grynx and the Eldar share a lot more than a human and cat do. Though I certainly wouldn't say the eldar developed from the Grynx or Eldar/Grynx common ancestor, as the Eldar didn't evolve.

MrBigMr
17-08-2008, 00:53
What are little eldar made of?
Cat's whiskers, sour grapes, low fat and warp stuff.
That's what little eldar are made of.

But the Eldar were made. Aren't the Grynx psychic? The Old Ones were interested in psychic abilities and race, so take a kitty and force evolve it through technology. Bang! One quick fix psychic soldier race ready to serve. Add the usual things (evolutionary sterilisation, etc.) and they're ready for mass production.

I don't think it has ever really been made clear whether or not the Old Ones possess the ability to create life from nothing (just take some amino acids and start pairing, which, when you think about it, is one insane job to do), or merely enhance it (take desired traits and work from them). We know there has been life developing around the galaxy without the aid of the Old Ones, and surely by the time they got to the position they were in, other races were well on their way up the evolutionary ladder.


Or is this whole hate some latent furryphobia?

robertsjf
17-08-2008, 01:09
I don't think it has ever really been made clear whether or not the Old Ones possess the ability to create life from nothing (just take some amino acids and start pairing, which, when you think about it, is one insane job to do), or merely enhance it (take desired traits and work from them). We know there has been life developing around the galaxy without the aid of the Old Ones, and surely by the time they got to the position they were in, other races were well on their way up the evolutionary ladder.


Or is this whole hate some latent furryphobia?

I'm scared of furries......

As far as old ones and creating life, I can't remember the source, maybe the necron codex, but I dimly recall descriptions of the old ones, and later on the eldar, seeding worlds. That speaks to me of single cell organisms dropped to start an actual ecology. I think to some degree the old ones could generate life by pasting amino acids together, but much like computer programmers probably recycle basic code that works for them, ie sarting with something a little more advanced...