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maccas
20-08-2008, 19:43
For me as ive had pretty much every army under the 40k sun i would have to pick Abaddon,

Ive put this model up and he has taken down a army on his own and can withstand so much.

Who is your best HQ and why?

Acheron,Bringer of Terror
20-08-2008, 19:46
cheaper is better :> i pick chaplain from death company army.

but most cost effective is lash prince of course

sorienor
20-08-2008, 19:50
For non-special character HQ's I really like the PK-equiped Warboss on a Warbike. For 150pts you get T6, 6 attacks on the charge at STR10, a built-in 4+ cover, 4+ armor, 5+ invul.

Under 4e turbo-boosting rules I loved a Chaplain on a bike w/artificer armor. 2+ invul FTW.

Culven
20-08-2008, 20:01
I think that the Tau Ethereal is by far the bestest HQ in the came. Nothing better than a model with only 2 wounds, no Saves of any kind that can cause your entire army to run the turn it dies. :rolleyes:

EldarBishop
20-08-2008, 20:04
Not really looking at power level, points costs, or anything like that... but, I'm a fan of the Autarch, definately something that was needed for the Eldar list to fill the gap between Farseer and Avatar (without resorting to using P.Lords).

Lord_Squinty
20-08-2008, 20:21
I used a SM Captain with bolt pistol and CCW weapon the other night at FLGS and couldnt beleive it when I was accused of cheese! :wtf:

Especially as the accuser had a FULLY tooled up chaplain and librarian (so much so that the librarian had MC Force weapon AND MC ccw backed up by command squad (presumed tooled up - my PC's didnt let them live long enough to find out ;) ) all taken as one FOC choice.

Dread to think how many points the guy wasted on that unit...

Anyway -

Tooled Archon is my choice for best HQ - we shouldnt all say that or we'll get nerfed ;)
I have never used an Archite - but on paper, she's probably even better.

The_Outsider
20-08-2008, 20:23
2 Most effeceint HQ's in the game are the SoB cannoness and the DE archon/archite.

The power output of these two units and how easy it is for them to perform their role is staggering.

Lash prince is a joke compared to them.

alex03
20-08-2008, 20:25
Eldrad or an ork warboss for cost effectivness

Reaver83
20-08-2008, 20:26
Lash prince, what you cant reach to hit you can't kill

Bloodknight
20-08-2008, 20:32
Wych Archite. Best bang for the buck, I'd say. It's powerful, fast, and survivable for less than 150 points.
Close second the Canoness. While she easily goes close to the 200 point mark fully equipped, she just does not die and wins her fights alone.

Acheron,Bringer of Terror
20-08-2008, 20:36
2 Most effeceint HQ's in the game are the SoB cannoness and the DE archon/archite.

The power output of these two units and how easy it is for them to perform their role is staggering.

Lash prince is a joke compared to them.

i know i missed something. cannoness is one of the best[ today one of them take 40 saves and passed 39 of them]. but lash prince is still better IMO

about archon, while powerfull, it do not have cannoness staying power. one '1' and you're without save.

The Guy
20-08-2008, 20:37
Gk grandmaster with full renitue of termies.
31[ish] S6 attacks on the charge that ignore armour saves? Yes please :D

Hicks
20-08-2008, 20:38
2 Most effeceint HQ's in the game are the SoB cannoness and the DE archon/archite.

The power output of these two units and how easy it is for them to perform their role is staggering.

Lash prince is a joke compared to them.

Seconded! They are the kings of HQ duels and infantry don't stand a chance.

Bunnahabhain
20-08-2008, 21:55
Best HQ choice from standard codex?

Full Guard mechanised command platoon-
Heroic senior officer command squad, with preist, psyker with Hon Imp and force weapon, and commisar, in a chimera (with all the bells and whistles),
Escorted by 4 heavy weapons squads, in chimeras, and 3 sentinels. All light infantry, so can infiltrate, in carapace armour.

Just over 30 men, with 5 tanks and three walkers.

That's about 1500pts, and is one HQ FOC slot.

We were asked for best, not most points efficient...

The_Outsider
20-08-2008, 22:01
The lash prince cannot hide - even with a cover save/invulnerable save it is isn't going to live in the face of any decent anti tank fire.

Bloodknight
20-08-2008, 22:07
Seconded. Daemon Princes are cannon-bait. The more I think about it, I would place the Canoness even above the Dark Eldar Lords.

Culven
20-08-2008, 22:10
Escorted by 4 heavy weapons squads, in chimeras...All light infantry...in carapace armour.
We were asked for best, not most points efficient...
And not necessarily legal either, eh? ;)

Da Black Gobbo
20-08-2008, 22:11
Keeper of secrets tooled with some toys. Fast and very killy...

The_Outsider
20-08-2008, 22:20
The more I think about it, I would place the Canoness even above the Dark Eldar Lords.

I'm not so sure. The cannoness is more versatile but DE lords are a bit more killy and do much, much better when the inevitable combat win comes along - I7/8 pretty much means whatever you beat is going to be run down.

The cannoness is tougher, but the archon is faster across the board.

It is a difficult one to be sure.

Bloodknight
20-08-2008, 22:26
He's not that much faster, I think. I am assuming that she's got a jumppack. Both characters are likely to win CC, and yes, the Archon is far more likely to run the enemy down, but the canoness is a good deal harder. Tough decision. Well, if points are factored in, the DE lord is about 50 points cheaper, if that helps ;).

SanguinaryDan
20-08-2008, 22:35
If we're looking at the best HQ choice for an army (as opposed to a 1v1 duelist) I've got to say my man Dante takes the cake. Every single BA model within 12" rerolls any CC miss? Talk about a force multiplier!

Askari
20-08-2008, 22:37
A Dark Eldar Archon or Archite would claim top-gong for me.
And he/she has plenty of different efficient options... Reaver Jetbike, Incubi Retinue, enter from WWP, Raider, Tormentor Helm & Punisher or Agoniser etc.

If you want a cheap, effective unit.
How about the dakka-tyrant?
2x TL Devourers on a Hive Tyrant, that's 12 S5 shots with re-rolls to hit and wound, BS3 on a possible BS4, on a creature with A3, W4, T6, S5[6] and in a Monstrous Creature. If you got points to spare you can also make it fly.

Bunnahabhain
20-08-2008, 22:38
And not necessarily legal either, eh? ;)

carapace or mechanised =/= Light infantry... DOH!

Typing answers whilst on phone to girlfriend not good idea. You get the general principal though. Take guardsmen, tool up.

Bloodknight
20-08-2008, 22:45
Typing answers whilst on phone to girlfriend not good idea.

For different reasons. Mine always catches me when I am reading on the web while talking on the phone. I seemingly can't read or write and talk cohesively at the same time ^^.

Lungboy
20-08-2008, 22:50
Another vote for the Dakka-Fly/Tyrant here. The thing is an absolute beast, wipes out infantry unit after unit, and can easily pop AV10 vehicles too.

TrojanWolf
20-08-2008, 23:27
Old Zogwort. Abaddon is nothing but a squig compared to him.

Rombo Baak
20-08-2008, 23:30
I choose SAG mek, he's the funniest HQ in the game. And we play for fun, don't we?

Gensuke626
20-08-2008, 23:39
Awesomeness - Wazdakka. He's a biker with a souped up autocannon strapped to his bike. And has a PK...and a KMB...And apparently a pair of flaming skullz. Nice.

Usefulness - Rumored Marneus Calgar. All marine squads become Inquisitor Lords in terms of Morale and Ld checks? WTF? :wtf:

Badassery - Ghazghkull. His special WAAAGH! is very impressive and he's kitted out to be as close to a Terminator as any ork is gonna get. Plus he's an eternal Warrior, and if you delve into Apoc, he's got that Bully Boyz formation that always drops 3 asteroids on the enemy (Or your self...Either way it's fun)

Cheesiest - Rumored Tigiruis?

Angelus Mortis
20-08-2008, 23:43
Gk grandmaster with full renitue of termies.
31[ish] S6 attacks on the charge that ignore armour saves? Yes please :D

And all the GK abilities and Psychic powers as well as a S6 Force Weapon? Thank you Sir, may I have another?

Adra
21-08-2008, 00:27
The last Eldar Codex Avatar always used to win this. Wasnt expensive, had great stats, decent bonuses and wasnt a special character. Perfect balance.

ShaiAhlude
21-08-2008, 02:13
Toughest/Most Expensive: Second the DK HQ + Termies squad. All those bonuses, great armor and can be bloated to around 750pts or so......legally.

Mostkilly for the points: Archon. Period. The extra Initiative of the archite can be bettered by a drug result, if you need it, which is rare.

Cheapest: Haemonculi. Can be as low as 40pts, still effective (Destructor & Scissorhands).

Most Fun: Anything Orky ;)

Necrotyr18
21-08-2008, 02:45
I think that the Tau Ethereal is by far the bestest HQ in the came. Nothing better than a model with only 2 wounds, no Saves of any kind that can cause your entire army to run the turn it dies. :rolleyes:

Seconded.:)

Meriwether
21-08-2008, 04:52
Most bada** for the points? Tooled up archon or archite.

Most useful? Eldrad.

Most fun? Chaos Sorceror with familiar, Lash, and Gift of Chaos.

Meri

Malevon
21-08-2008, 06:09
In the days when everybody could hold objectives, my Grey Knight Grand Master and retinue routinely won battles single-handedly, as long as there were no Genestealers involved.

the1stpip
21-08-2008, 07:16
If you are talking Special Characters, then it would probably be Nightbringer.

Non special Characters, an Archon or Archite, tooled up. They mince through almost anything.

Fay_Redd
21-08-2008, 07:33
Awesome: would have to probably the Tyranid Broodlord, he bests nearlly everything at the initiative game, can be upgraded to a space marine armour wise, is T5 S5 with power weapons, and rending so he can pop a few vehicles aswell. WS6 too.

useful: hmmm, thats a toughie. well any of the rumoured space marine commanders i guess, specially the characters and their personal "chapter tactics" Stubborn Space Marines FTW.

BaDaZz: two here.

Skulltaker Daemon champion of khorne, 4+ Rending that instant deaths, yes plz.
or
Typhus, the model is gorgeous, his stats are something to admire and a Force Daemon Weapon. he always passes psychic tests to use his 2 powers, Wind of Chaos and Nurgles Rot. his Manreaper, a Daemon Weapon in all respects, but a succesful psychic check from typhus and bang, you got warped. may still use force weapon even if he used psychic power. and hes a terminator with both assault and defensive grenades.

ok, typhus wins.

march10k
21-08-2008, 08:13
As far as giving you the most for your points, I'd throw in a vote for Azrael.

I agree that the jump pack canoness is a clear winner overall...but that's really a bit unfair, as she relies heavily on the faith points provided by the rest of the army for her superiority. Strip that away, and only let her use her own faith, and she falls quickly.

Slaaneshi Slave
21-08-2008, 08:50
He's not that much faster, I think. I am assuming that she's got a jumppack. Both characters are likely to win CC, and yes, the Archon is far more likely to run the enemy down, but the canoness is a good deal harder. Tough decision. Well, if points are factored in, the DE lord is about 50 points cheaper, if that helps ;).

A tooled up Canoness is 122 points.

Canoness
Bolt Pistol, Frags, Book of Saint Lucius, Cloak of Saint Aspira, Jump Pack, Blessed Weapon.

I've had her and her Seraphim body guard chew threw Calgar, his Honour Guard, and the entire masters of the chapter. I've also had them die to lasgun fire. It all depends on how the Dice Gods are feeling that day.

Warsmith_13
21-08-2008, 10:09
My favourite in terms of fluff is Kharn the Betrayer. Who else has a chain-axe made of dragon teeth?

Bloodknight
21-08-2008, 11:39
@Slaaneshi Slave: The one I sometimes use with my IG comes at 167. She's got your stuff plus litanies of faith, the mantle of ophelia and melta bombs in addition. I especially like the litanies on her, since she's always casting that 2+ inv. save, I need every faith point I can get, and the litanies are just that :)

Odd_Motorbike_Guy
21-08-2008, 11:51
Hive Tyrant kitted through the wazoo with Scything Talons!

Koryphaus
21-08-2008, 11:55
Quite fond of Abaddon myself..

Fist of Crimson
21-08-2008, 16:33
Broodlord is the best bang for the buck.

Most useful is probably Eldrad but I would like to see the Dante and bodyguard with every possible option thrown in. If I remember rightly there was some evil stuff in that entry.

NearsightedFarseer
21-08-2008, 19:57
Asurmen is a personal favorite.

sumgy
21-08-2008, 20:50
@Slaaneshi Slave: The one I sometimes use with my IG comes at 167. She's got your stuff plus litanies of faith, the mantle of ophelia and melta bombs in addition. I especially like the litanies on her, since she's always casting that 2+ inv. save, I need every faith point I can get, and the litanies are just that :)

she can't be more than 145 points 100 points limit on wargear

Askari
21-08-2008, 21:30
Weapons do not count towards that limit, usually...

The Anarchist
21-08-2008, 22:17
one of the less common HQ's is a tank commander in Vanquisher (yes i do still play armoured company list sometimes), its damn expensive points why, but as a tank hunter its amazing! takes out enemy tanks like you wouldn't belive.

Donblas
21-08-2008, 22:25
Dire Avengers P lord Asurmen, He never dies is a tar pit with his men and has the only weapon left in the game that removes things from the game so instant death that still works against demons and nids. Yippe for remove remaining wounds if they fail a leadership hard to get off but still nice.

g0ddy
21-08-2008, 22:39
Flying Daemon Prince w/ MoT, Warp Time and Bolt of Change

~ zilla

LiMunPai
22-08-2008, 00:10
DH Inquisitor Lord with Psycannon, Psychic Helm, and a full retinue including 3 heavy bolter servitors and a mystic.

Choosing to pass or fail leadership is ludicrous. The control this unit exerts over the board is awesome, and the inquisitor background is just so fun, especially with daemonhosts and assassins.

Mozzamanx
22-08-2008, 00:17
Shas'O. Manouverable, tough, competent in a fight and firepower up the wazoo. Not to mention his sheer versatility.

AFoolProofPlan
22-08-2008, 00:30
By the looks of it, Papa Smurf is gonna be one tough cookie in the new Codex

Captin Korea!
22-08-2008, 00:30
Ork mek with shokk attack gun. That gun is the bee's knees :)

Angelwing
22-08-2008, 01:09
I would have to say SoB cannoness and the DE archon. Tooled up correctly these choices are excellent.
However, my masters hiding in the darkness are also compelling me to nominate the flying hive tyrant with devourers. I suggested this combination a couple of years back on the GW forums, and got laughed at and insulted for it. It seems to be a very popular choice now....!

Joewrightgm
22-08-2008, 01:19
I would actually go out on a limb and say Ghazhgkull.

When you call his waaagh!, its 6 inches instantly, he gets a 2+ invulnerable save, and has 5 or 6 (can't remember offhand) power klaw attacks. He's also immune to instant death, and since he's T 5, you can charge crazy stuff like carnifexes and dreadnoughts.

Not that I'd make a habit of doing that, but you could.

Only down shot is that he's in mega armor which means he counts as moving in difficult terrain, and the only reliable way to get him to the enemy is in a battle wagon loaded with nobz, which gets expensive fast.

Gensuke626
22-08-2008, 01:26
Only down shot is that he's in mega armor which means he counts as moving in difficult terrain, and the only reliable way to get him to the enemy is in a battle wagon loaded with nobz, which gets expensive fast.

You could Trukk him with Nobz. That makes him go faster and gives him that Ramshackle edge.