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ChaosBeast
20-08-2008, 21:24
i have a few questions about how the comand chain of a typical codex chapter works.

1.) what do marines call there superiors? sir? brother captain? i know they are meant to be brothers and that they call their equals and inferiors brother, but i dont know about higher up.

2.) how does specialisation work? i.e. assault marines, are assault marines chosen in initiation tests, during scouthood by the master of the recruits assigning each one a place by looking at how they fight, or do they choose after full initiation as a marine? does a scout biker always become a marine biker? are the pilots/crew of vehicles all techmarines in training and are the scouts who operate land speeder storms, scouts who showed an affinity to technology so they are on the road to become techmarines too?

Bloodknight
20-08-2008, 21:56
Yeah, Brother-Captain it is, or Brother-Librarian, Brother-Sergeant etc. In the chapter, the rank of captain is brother-captain.

2. no idea ;). Old fluff indicated that guys with an affinity to technology were sent to Mars to learn their trade from the Mechanicus as part of a trade agreement.

Murrithius
20-08-2008, 23:00
1) I believe the Brother-<insert rank> would be commonplace, but also the use of simply "My Lord" would also be there, especially in the more crusady chapters.

2) Agreed with Bloodknight on Techmarines, however for the other specialities, all Marines are trianed, and expected to be proficient, in all aspects of war, be it assault, devestator, or cook...:p

Bloodknight
20-08-2008, 23:05
I forgot to mention that until recently Techmarines were supposed to wear red armour with the chapter colours on the (left?) shoulder pad to show their affiliation to the AdMech. GW seem to have dropped that part mostly with the current Marine codex.

DapperAnarchist
20-08-2008, 23:45
thats been dropped? huh? bahhh... sir would also be used. A novice might even refer to a high ranking marine as Lord - especially in the Ultramarines, where the Master's title really is Lord (Of Macragge)

MarinesInSpace
21-08-2008, 02:54
Well, based on the Horus Heresy books, it seems like they can call them Brother-captain or just captain. Lord Commander of emperors children are called lord as are primarchs.

pookie
21-08-2008, 10:45
to answer question 2, it would deped on the Chapter, Codex chapters expect Marines to be proficient in a Tac/Ass/Dev Role and should be able to use all weapons required ( although Terminator armour training is only given to those who make it into the 1st Company ).

the BT though, they tend to have a more specialised structure, where if a Neophyte shows skills in ranged warfair then they are when promoted to Initiate given a ranged wep, thos who excell in close combat tend to use Close Combat Wep and BP.

although i would say a Initiate is still proficient in use of all weps, they just tend to be 'slotted' in with equipment that suits there individual strengths.

Maarten K
21-08-2008, 11:01
regarding question 2. landspeeders and bikes are driven by the company's assaultmarines. other vehicles are a big mistery: officialy they have marine drivers, but that would mean a full company has 115 marines (not counting dreadnoughts), with a chapter far exceeding the offical 1000.

Koryphaus
21-08-2008, 11:52
The current codex IIRC states something similar to Marines being chosen for specialist duty if they show proficiency with that form of warfare, above and beyond that of the regular marines. So marines who are particularly good marksmen make up the devs, whilst exceptional cc warriors become assault marines.

As for drivers, IIRC it is Reserve Company battle brothers who do the driving.

Hrw-Amen
21-08-2008, 12:28
It seams that most marines refer to other marines as brother. Sometimes they insert a rank, but that seams to depend on the chapter, rank of the perosn who is speaking compared to the rank of the listener and also how familiar they are with that person and the circumstance of the conversation. For example, two captains speaking to each other, if they are 'friends' often seam to just use first name terms, as it appears often is the case with other members of their command squads. At least that is how I read it from the HH and other novels.

I've often thought about drivers and how that impacts on the 1000 marine rule, but it does seam that this rule is more of a guide than a limit. After all if a Battle company has 10 squads and then a 10 man command squad that just by it's own vitue would give 1100 marines in a 10 company structure.

I just assumed that if a marine shows a particular flare for something and there is an opening then they get shunted that way, probably right from the outset when they first come to the chapters attention, or at least shortly after completing whatever the equivelent of basic training is.

I did read somewhere though that in some chapters techmarines were not recruited in the same way and did not always go through the same initiation rites. (Maybe that was in an old Space Wolves codex?) I'm reasonably sure I've read the same for Librarians somwhere although I've no idea where.

Cuthlas
22-08-2008, 19:39
i have a few questions about how the comand chain of a typical codex chapter works.

1.) what do marines call there superiors? sir? brother captain? i know they are meant to be brothers and that they call their equals and inferiors brother, but i dont know about higher up.
Its different from chapter to chapter, but as most say "Brother+rank" is the most common

2.) how does specialisation work? i.e. assault marines, are assault marines chosen in initiation tests, during scouthood by the master of the recruits assigning each one a place by looking at how they fight, or do they choose after full initiation as a marine? does a scout biker always become a marine biker? are the pilots/crew of vehicles all techmarines in training and are the scouts who operate land speeder storms, scouts who showed an affinity to technology so they are on the road to become techmarines too?Again, it varies. Its normal that they get training in all aspects of warfare and they train with all weapon types. If a marine shows special aptitude towards a certain type, he gets extra training in that type of combat. There are then some that excel at tech and they are chosen for extra training on mars (Adeptus Mechanus) and become techmarines (they complete basic training before being sent off).
last...the Codex Astartes always said that a chapter consists of 1000 space marines (standing army) not including support, tech and command personnel (page 14-15 index astartes). Its only the standing army as such (ergo the 10 x 100 space marines that count; and that is not even correct, since the scout company (the 10th) varies in size all the time)