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prince_dios
21-08-2008, 20:52
1) Can she still take gifts of khane even if she has a magic banner?

2) What happens if she joins a non-frenzied unit?

PARTYCHICORITA
21-08-2008, 21:42
1) Yes

2) She's still subject to frenzy so must pursue/overrun/charge when able to do so.

T10
21-08-2008, 21:42
This is spelled out clearly in the Battle Standard Bearer call-out box on p. 93. However:

1) Yes.

2) Nothing happens.

-T10

Nurgling Chieftain
21-08-2008, 23:15
1) Yes, with the exception of magical ones.

Oenghus
21-08-2008, 23:49
Do you really want a frenzied BSB? Isn't that just asking for trouble? Especially if she's in a non-frenzied unit, I mean.

Gimp
21-08-2008, 23:55
Do you really want a frenzied BSB? Isn't that just asking for trouble? Especially if she's in a non-frenzied unit, I mean.

Yeah it can end badly.

emperorpenguin
22-08-2008, 00:29
1) Yes, with the exception of magical ones.

True, though since both magical gifts can only be taken by assassins (one specifically and the other by virtue of costing more than a Hag's allowance) this is academic

sulla
22-08-2008, 00:51
Do you really want a frenzied BSB? Isn't that just asking for trouble? Especially if she's in a non-frenzied unit, I mean.

Well, obviously you would have to declare a charge on anything you though might possibly be in charge range to stop her charging out on her own, But other than that, there shouldn't be too many problems with them, especially considering the most likely candidates for a hag BSB are executioners and she would likely have the ASF banner meaning they can still dish out a lot of hurt even if charged...

gaiaterra
22-08-2008, 01:04
I thought the non-frenzied unit got to choose to stay still and let the frenzied character charge out or move with the frenzied character when it has to in the compulsory moves phase.

theunwantedbeing
22-08-2008, 01:11
A frenzied BsB isnt half as bad as it sounds.
Yes, bad idea...if she can move further than her unit.
Mv5 frenzied crazy flag waving lady, in a unit of mv5 troops.

So generally quite tricky to get her to charge something the unit itself cannot actually reach (usually will involve scenery of some sort).

The main reason for her as the bsb is to give her the ASF banner to go in executionairs, as that's the only way to get them to get ASF.

prince_dios
22-08-2008, 06:45
Yeah, the ASF banner + Executioners was definitely the idea here. The gift of khaine will be the 5+ ward save, of course. The ASF, 5 attacks(3 + frenzy + 2nd hw), and ward save should keep her safe. At least, safer than a master with normal armor and 3 non-poisoned attacks.

sulla
22-08-2008, 07:04
Yeah, the ASF banner + Executioners was definitely the idea here. The gift of khaine will be the 5+ ward save, of course. The ASF, 5 attacks(3 + frenzy + 2nd hw), and ward save should keep her safe. At least, safer than a master with normal armor and 3 non-poisoned attacks.


If a cauldron gives her unit +1 attack, she probably won't need a ward save. Especially if you give her touch of death and either black lotus or dark venom as her hag powers. Those 5 killing blow attacks should usually kill off whichever hero attacks her while the rest of the unit goes to work...