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Jelle
22-08-2008, 15:04
hi guys, comments please? sorry about the layout of the numbers, I couldn't get it right but it shouldn't matter

**CHARACTERS** (583 points)

Orc Warboss 120
Chariot 80
Light armour, shield 6 186

Black Orc Big Boss 85
Heavy Armour 4
Boar 16
Battle Standard 25
Mork's Spirit Totem 50 180

Black Orc Big Boss 85
Heavy Armour 4
Boar 16
Martog's Best Basha 15
Shield 2 122

Night Goblin Shaman 50
L2 35
Magic Mushroom 10 95



**CORE UNITS** (958 points)

28 Orc Boyz (lead by BSB & worth 378VP) 140
Shields 28
Full Command Group 30 198

28 Orc Boyz (lead by BB & worth 320VP) 140
Shields 28
Full Command Group 30 198

20 Night Goblin Archers 60
Musician 4
3 Fanatics 75 139

20 Night Goblin Archers 60
Musician 4
3 Fanatics 75 139

5 Wolf Riders with musician and short bows 71

5 Wolf Riders with musician and short bows 71

5 Wolf Riders with musician and spears 71

5 Spider Riders with musician 71



**SPECIAL UNITS** (378 points)


18 Black Orcs 234
Shields 18
Full Command 38
Nogg's Banner of Butchery 25 315

Goblin Wolf Chariot 60
extra goblin 3 63

**RARE UNITS** (80 points)

Troll 40

Troll 40



1999 points

Jelle
22-08-2008, 15:10
my own thoughts:

- having one level 2 shaman is kind of a waste, but I want to have some spellcasting at least.. also I think 1 level 2 with 1 shroom is a "sweet spot" numbers wise.. I also don't like how people can pretty much get away with getting zero magic defense against o&g expecting us to have zero offense
- i know you guys like smaller boyz units, I like a little bigger (i use the waaagh rule sometimes and i also have black orc characters so both can decrease my numbers)
- never used single trolls before but I read about it here and seems to make sense to me so I want to try it out
- I used to run infantry heroes and my lizzy opponent went for the hero kill on my BSB last game correctly realising that I couldn't have a decent save or ward save if I already had mork's spirit totem.. he killed him instantly and that ruined my chances of doing well in that combat (-1 combat result, no hero attacks, no more re-roll break tests was painful). This time I gave them boars mainly for the +2 armour save which should make it a more difficult choice for the opponent (wether to attack him or rank & files)
- 4 magic items feels like too much (just doesnt feel right to me), but I blame GW for making nogg's banner so underpriced that i can't resist taking it (my friends will probably get tired of my black orcs having it every game pretty soon though..)

Jelle
22-08-2008, 15:32
oh rats i could have sworn this was the forum for army lists... can anyone move it?

Braad
23-08-2008, 13:13
1 shaman with scrolls is not a waste, its magic defense. Without scrolls, it can also have its uses by getting the odd spell of.

Other than that I think that you might be missing a bit on big blocks of orcs...
Also I would rather give the BSB other items than a magic banner. Get rid of the spirit totem, or maybe find some room to put it in a block of big 'uns... Makes the BSB less important and not such a juicy target.