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Philhelm
07-09-2008, 12:01
I'm just wondering, are the Kroot strictly carnivorous, or do they eat anything?

Aurellis
07-09-2008, 12:04
They'll eat anything organic, they use the DNA they absorb to help them evolve into a stronger species. That's why you can have localised species of Kroot (see Kroot Mercs pdf)

Brother_Chaplian Raimo
07-09-2008, 12:14
I would imagine Kroot are omnivores, but are drawn/guided to more useful biomass. If they had a whole planet of plant matter to choose from, the hardiest, and most defensively adapted plants would take precedence.

Philhelm
07-09-2008, 12:15
Would it be safe to say that they are omnivorous...although preferably carnivorous?

Faustburg
07-09-2008, 13:08
Hmm.. the term "Carnivore Squad" in the codex may be a hint...

Burnthem
07-09-2008, 13:32
I expect they are Omnivores TBH, they prefer meat but would eat anything if they had to.

MrBigMr
07-09-2008, 16:03
Have to go with olī Faustburg on this one. Carnivore Squad does leave little room on anything else. And don't remember ever reading them eating anything but meat. You don't see big Kroot Ent Kidred smashing through enemy ranks.

ChaosBeast
07-09-2008, 18:54
you dont see plague marines with lascannons either, that doesnt meaan they dont exist. also, the big beaks that kroot have dont exactly look like they were designed for meat. they look more like they're designed for coconuts.

madd0ct0r
07-09-2008, 19:35
hmm
examples of predatory birds with heavy beaks.

http://www.girvancameraclub.org.uk/bird-of-prey.jpg

http://vicduggan.com/gallery/main.php/d/779-3/S_American+bird+of+prey.jpg


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2113/2100187098_c497245ed6.jpg?v=0

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/976/65005408.JPG&imgrefurl=http://www.dkimages.com/discover/Home/Animals/Birds/Orders-of-Living-Birds/Birds-of-Prey/Hawks-Eagles-and-Old-World-V.../Buzzards-and-Eagles/Stellers-Sea-Eagle/Stellers-Sea-Eagle-2.html&h=664&w=512&sz=32&hl=en&start=73&sig2=FcOJrGp2ZTMh2NsZLsCTQA&um=1&usg=__1TQzE4-HS4Vn1y2kK7FdoCKqntI=&tbnid=JXeJBrmCuT-t3M:&tbnh=138&tbnw=106&ei=wSvESOWFEJm4wQGIxvmeBg&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbird%2Bof%2Bprey%2Bbeak%26start%3D72% 26ndsp%3D18%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26clie nt%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26sa%3DN


That last one is particulary kroot like. Do any of the subspecies mentioned in the Kroot minidex eat plants?


Also, the pedant in would like to point out that if a squad has to be designated 'Carnivores' then it implies there are other squads that are not.
Since the Kroot form is supposed to have taken over much of the ecosystem of Pesh it seems reasonable to assume there are Krootish Organisims that are not purely carnivorous

Lothlanathorian
07-09-2008, 20:02
I would suspect that the Krootoxen are, at the least, omnivorous. Madd0ctor has a valid point, what, with the Kroot dominating their planets ecosystem and whatnot.

My question here is: Must they be super picky about what they eat at all times to prevent too much change in the wrong direction? It seems to me as if they can't just eat anything they want. What if the Kroot got stranded on a planet somewhere away from others with no way off for generations? They would end up having to evolve in to several 'dead ends' for suvival purposes.

Gdolkin
07-09-2008, 22:00
Isn't the idea that they can selectively control what DNA they absorb from what's in their guts? So they can eat cows or wheat or whatever but not get slower and stupider, for example. They also eat for basic nutrition as well as for fruitful DNA to assimilate, surely? Also, as someone hinted, plants could provide useful phenotypes such as cactus-like skin, ability to photosynthesise energy, or whatever.. and Kroot have assimilated Ork DNA, which involves Fungal or Algeal or something DNA.. Just my thoughts.

Bregalad
07-09-2008, 22:16
Quote from the old WD article "Index Xenos: The Kroot"


By far the most odious habit of the Kroot is their practice of eating the flesh of the dead. In battle, this leads them to ritually devour the corpses of those they have killed, and almost nothing is beyond their tastes. The Kroot digestive system is extremely efficient, capable of breaking down almost any organic material into an energy form that can be stored in specialised organs scattered throughout their bodies called nymunes. Should anything inorganic and indigestible be consumed, the Kroot must regurgitate it, with considerable discomfort. However the strangest quirk of Kroot digestion is their ability to extract potentially useful strands of their food's DNA. Adeptus Mechanicus Genetors have long been aware that much of the double helix structure of DNA is in fact blank. Used to separate those areas that do contain genetic information. The Kroot have somehow inherited the ability to incorporate useful DNA codes into their own genetic make up. Larger Kroot, called Shapers, who have an instinctive understanding of this process, can direct their kindred to consume certain prey in order that in successive generations, they may take on elements of those genes.

So technically, they could digest plants, but they would eventually turn into vegetables. Same with junk food ;)
So they are rather picky about their diet, guided by the shapers.

Gdolkin
07-09-2008, 22:27
That only says that they have the ability to incorporate useful DNA, guided by the instinctive understanding of their Shapers. It doesn't at all say they are bound to incorporate all DNA and so have to avoid non-useful types.

Lothlanathorian
07-09-2008, 22:33
Yeah, I think it is saying it how you told it, Gdolkin. That, or it takes so long to incorporate it through the generations, that they can eat anything they want, but must eat a lot of that one type of DNA for it to take from that. So, maybe it has to do with selective eating and breeding?

Bregalad
08-09-2008, 01:18
Okay, the next paragraph makes it clearer:


The process is not an exact science and there are many examples where it has gone awry, leaving some trapped in evolutionary cul-de-sacs, the Krootox and Kroot Hounds being the most visible evidence of this. At some point in their evolutionary history, both sub-species of Kroot fed upon
creatures that were possessed of traits they wished to take on, but, in doing so, atrophied their intelligence. Thee Krootox are now much larger and stronger, but became lumbering creatures, more akin to forest dwelling herbivores than their smaller, more intelligent kin. The Kroot Hounds became faster and leaner but, like the Krootox, their intelligence was reduced, becoming little more than vicious predators. There are other variations, such as the smaller, flying Kroothawk and the serpentine Krootworm, as well as other, more terrifying, creatures. Deep within the forests of Pech, there exist beasts that were once Kroot, but have since descended hideous evolutionary paths to become monsters that feed on their own kind. Such places have become cursed and only the bravest or most foolhardy Kroot ever venture within their haunted depths.

So DNA consumption is not completely controllable, even with Kroot having a second brain around the stomach. If you eat animals or vegetables, you and your offspring get dumb. That's the rationale behind Kroot eating their enemies and working as mercenaries.

Lothlanathorian
08-09-2008, 01:20
So, if those monsters eat other Kroot, will they eventually become Kroot again?

Brother Siccarius
08-09-2008, 02:17
Have to go with olī Faustburg on this one. Carnivore Squad does leave little room on anything else. And don't remember ever reading them eating anything but meat. You don't see big Kroot Ent Kidred smashing through enemy ranks.

Well, to be honest, that just means that those are the kroot that join the battlefield. Seriously, when you're a kroot warrior, you have a better chance of getting at a diverse number of other species. However, there is the possibility that there may be kroot that collect various plants from different planets to be sent back to Pech for study and seeing what effects they might have.

Though it should be mentioned that anyone eating ork is omnivorus, due to the ork's dual nature. Just because the plant is hitting you with a huge axe doesn't make it any less a plant.


Okay, the next paragraph makes it clearer:



So DNA consumption is not completely controllable, even with Kroot having a second brain around the stomach. If you eat animals or vegetables, you and your offspring get dumb. That's the rationale behind Kroot eating their enemies and working as mercenaries.

However, the kroot may deem it better to go part way down a path and diverge from it to find an easy medium, combining the strengths of a dead-end path with that of another one.

Helsing
08-09-2008, 02:48
The Kroot's need to evolve overrides any choice of diet. If it's dead, bleeding and has some positive features the Kroot sure as hell are going to eat it.

Helsing

Privaron
08-09-2008, 03:28
What would happen if Kroot ate a Tyranid? O_O

MrBigMr
08-09-2008, 05:31
Same with junk food ;)
They would turn red, white and blue, grow a grey-white beard, wear a top had and want you to join the Kroot army.


What would happen if Kroot ate a Tyranid? O_O
Divided by zero.

Voleron
08-09-2008, 07:30
What would happen if Kroot ate a Tyranid? O_O

Probably slowly be taken over by the Hive mind, or operate in a similar fashion to a Genestealer Hybrid - there are recorded stories where Shapers actively order their troops to spit out any Genestealer flesh they've been eating. One of the Caiphas Cain Novels, I believe.

Lothlanathorian
08-09-2008, 19:58
There was a short story in a WD issue, i think it was, where they are fightning Nids and the Shaper makes them stop eating. There is a Chaos one, too, I believe.

Bregalad
08-09-2008, 23:09
The novels name is "For the Emperor", the first Cain novel (and best Tau novel so far).

madd0ct0r
08-09-2008, 23:10
they could just cook their food. DNA won't survive being stewed for an hour.

Burnthem
08-09-2008, 23:54
Cooked meat? WHAT? What kind of disgusting, vile, base animal cooks meat before eating it?

You, sir, are sick.

Kronos
09-09-2008, 00:04
All this talk of Kroot eating other beings makes me think of Kroot Spawn, Just Imagine, changing evolution after eating, then changing after mutations :skull:


As for the actual topic, i think Kroot only eat meat, isn't it basicly their religion ? eating meat to better evolve?

Bregalad
09-09-2008, 07:40
they could just cook their food. DNA won't survive being stewed for an hour.
Kroot need DNA for survival, so no good idea.

TheBigBadWolf
09-09-2008, 11:17
They eat pretty much anything organic.

Anything inorganic is regurgitated with some discomfort.

That is also how they build their structures, via regurgitated plant mass.

Its in the original Tau codex, IIRC.

I dont know about cooking their food but they do pickle some foods, Eldar brains for example

Burnthem
09-09-2008, 12:00
Kroot need DNA for survival, so no good idea.


They don't need it to survive, they just need it to advance. They could survive on anything organic if they had to.

Bregalad
09-09-2008, 21:42
Ask Krootoxen: They have eaten anything organic without considering the DNA.

Or the other way round: As Kroot DNA is mostly blank, so the organism is seeking to fill it with DNA from the diet. If they eat Hamburgers all day, they will moo after a year. That's why they must work as mercenaries and eat worthy enemies.

Does that mean that a mercenary army eating Gorgonzola before battle will become cheesy? I have to think about it ;)

madd0ct0r
10-09-2008, 21:02
unless those hamburgers are rare they ain't going to be mooing.

The DNA molecule would not survive cooking.

MrBigMr
10-09-2008, 21:58
Wonder if there's some kidred that only eats kosher.

madd0ct0r
10-09-2008, 22:35
I can see the Kroot getting quite religous about their food.

"You are what you eat..."

MrBigMr
10-09-2008, 22:37
"You are what you eat..."
I know a guy who's a total p****.

madd0ct0r
11-09-2008, 17:39
reminds me of vietnam.
one bowl of noodle soup.

"Um, what's this bit?"

"heh heh heh. Cow Penis."

MrBigMr
11-09-2008, 19:16
Hmm... Take a Beastman Gor, put a Kroot head on, add some horns, paint it white with black spots...

EDIT: Just started thinking about all the cultures that use eat genital bits of animals and even other people to boost their... abilities. Wonder if Kroot have anything like that. Can imagine some old shaper's hut with dried human wilies in jars and all that.

madd0ct0r
11-09-2008, 19:47
Kroot Centaur any one?

This is what happens when young impressionable Kroot order pills from the back of magazines...