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Whitehorn
10-09-2008, 00:23
In a time before the Primarchs' names were sung, there stood the heroes of Terra. Their names are now mostly lost in time, but the memory of their regiments remain in the legions and now chapters of the Astartes, and even the forsaken minds of those who abandoned Him.

The Emperor, keen to unite the lost colonies of humanity, set his newly formed Space Marine Legions unto the stars.

Behold the delving into the regiment known as the Dusk Raiders, the right hands of the Emperor, soon to become the children of Mortarion - the Death Guard.

http://www.fulgrim.com/minis/dr/dr01.jpg

dr.oetk3r
10-09-2008, 00:31
Awesome! Nice to some some Dusk Raiders.

Whitehorn
10-09-2008, 09:33
Here's a start on a Raider Chaplain. I love to destroy special edition models :)

http://www.fulgrim.com/minis/dr/chap02.jpg

crucefix88
10-09-2008, 14:22
realy like these, even though it's my first time hearing about them. will have to do a bit of research.

Whitehorn
10-09-2008, 15:20
realy like these, even though it's my first time hearing about them. will have to do a bit of research.

There's not a lot to them as yet. There's some information in Flight of the Eisenstein novel. Nathaniel Garro is Terran-born, ex-Dusk Raider, ex-Death Guard :)

tinfoil
10-09-2008, 15:37
Nice looking stuff! I'll be following your progress.
As I see it, the challenge (and opportunity) of doing pre-Heresy armies is to capture the aspiration, the nobility, the naive optimism of that earlier time.
Looks like you're on your way.

Whitehorn
11-09-2008, 23:42
I need ideas for the kilt straps - colour?


http://www.fulgrim.com/minis/dr/chap03.jpg

redstarone
11-09-2008, 23:57
I really love how this log is starting out. I also HATE to point this out as your chappy is such a lovely conversion and paintjob so far. But thing is, chaplains wernt created until after the heresy, to watch for signs of taint.

That said, I personally have a pre heresy era chappy too and dont mind a little fluff bending. Ill keep my eye on this log.

:chrome:

Whitehorn
12-09-2008, 00:31
I'm afraid you're wrong there. Chaplains were around in the Great Crusade and no doubt before.

There's art in the Horus heresy CCG, Collected visions and they're in the novels - which are canon.

Erebus, one of the key catalysts for the Heresy... was a Chaplain.

http://www.pa-sy.com/hhccg/images/charmosian.jpg

Also, if you have collected visions check pages 124, 280.

And the novels:

Fulgrim Page 87:
'Warrior's fate?' laughed Caphen, shaking his head. 'Sometimes I swear I ought to report you to Chaplain Charmosian with all your talk of fates and gods of battle.'

Galaxy In Flames Page 332:
Then he saw it; armour trimmed in black instead of gold, a helmet worked into a stern, grimacing skull: Chaplain Charmosian.
The black-armoured warrior stood proud of the top hatch of a Land Raider, directing the battle with sharp chops of his eagle-winged crozius.

redstarone
12-09-2008, 00:51
Ive seen all the refrences you speak of.

Im going strictly by GW fluff as even the novels are off time from time on traditional stuff. If you really want, ill go look around and find exact qoutes on chappys being created after the heresy. The novels themselves have taken on a life of thier own and hopfully GW will fully intergrate them into the fluff. But from my knowlege, they still refuse to fully except the novels as pure fluff.

I think what it really comes down to is how long the person that looks at the chappy has been playing. If its more then 6 -7 years, chances are they will comment on it if you go over your army with them. Again, I personaly dont have a problem with it, and i hope your right and im wrong about anyone mentioning it.
*edit* I havent even seen the fluff in the new rulebook so maybe im wrong and just have a ton of fluff nazis from RT era around my area.. ;)

As I said before, I have a pre heresy chappy.

And I have no idea why more people arent commenting on how kick ass your work is.

:chrome:

Whitehorn
12-09-2008, 00:58
I have been playing for 19 years.

The novels have been stated as canon and more fluff than anything previously written.

So, I'd say that's good enough for old and new :)


- GW gave the HH authors complete artistic freedom to revise the history of M31 as long as the changes were an improvement in terms of character and logic. They liaise VERY closely with Alan Merritt at every planning stage of the novels, as he is considered the most knowledgeable member of GW as far as the official background of Warhammer 40,000 goes.

- In terms of canonicity, anything in the HH novels REPLACES what has been previously published by GW in the event of a discrepancy. Therefore the novels are THE canonical source for everything PH and HH-related, and logical conclusions must be made as to where they overlap with older games or background material.

redstarone
12-09-2008, 01:09
Well good! Thanks for the qoute from GW. Now I can get the fluff nazis off my back..

:chrome:

Whitehorn
12-09-2008, 09:33
It amazes me that people can hold something newly published by Games Workshop and say 'this is not fluff' compared to something else published by Games Workshop.

It's like buying the new Queen album and saying 'This is not Queen'.


No wait... :P

Whitehorn
21-09-2008, 16:21
Some new work.

Added 2 near-complete raiders. Just need their packs. You may recognise the Mk2 chap.
http://fulgrim.com/minis/dr/baldy01.jpg
http://fulgrim.com/minis/dr/mk201.jpg
http://fulgrim.com/minis/dr/chap04.jpg

Team shot:
http://fulgrim.com/minis/dr/team01.jpg

dr.oetk3r
21-09-2008, 17:32
Are you going to include a lot of crusader armour variants in your army?

tinfoil
21-09-2008, 17:57
Great stuff. I particulalry like the marine with the chain axe.

Whitehorn
07-10-2008, 10:00
Some new stuff:

http://www.fulgrim.com/minis/dr/raptor01.jpg
http://www.fulgrim.com/minis/dr/raptor01.jpg

http://fulgrim.com/minis/dr/dr_capt01.jpg
http://fulgrim.com/minis/dr/dr_capt01.jpg

Whitehorn
29-11-2008, 08:57
Oooh Updates!

I've been giving Black Reach a good scalpling:

http://fulgrim.com/minis/dr/dr_2capt01.jpg
http://fulgrim.com/minis/dr/dr_2capt01.jpg

Garro is going to make an appearance! Armour will need bulking up a lot:

http://fulgrim.com/minis/dr/dr_3capt01.jpg
http://fulgrim.com/minis/dr/dr_3capt01.jpg

Random updates and a lick of coating:

http://fulgrim.com/minis/dr/new_oct.jpg
http://fulgrim.com/minis/dr/new_oct.jpg

Black Reach Sergeant:

http://fulgrim.com/minis/dr/serg01.jpg
http://fulgrim.com/minis/dr/serg01.jpg

Nihilas
29-11-2008, 09:07
Cool - really like heresy armies. Like the way this is shaping up - keep up the excellent work!

tinfoil
29-11-2008, 09:31
Still loving your work!

Kasrkin 666
29-11-2008, 14:00
Hmmmm, I thought that the Dusk Raiders were just the name of the Death Guard until they got the name "Death Guard" because of some event? Hmmm, but that could just be me;).

Great stuff btw! Lovely coloring and scheme!

-Sunny

DPA
29-11-2008, 15:08
Great stuff there mate,i remember the time when that Mk2 guy had blue shoulder pads...;)Keep up the good work!

On a sidenote,Chaplains were around during the Crusade and Heresy,but not before the Council of Nikea, by wich time there were no Dusk Raiders...just some grim,tough fellows with green trimed shoulder pads!:D


Cheers!
DPA

Xarius
29-11-2008, 15:57
love the idea

tcraigen
29-11-2008, 16:09
looks very cool I like the idea of a pre-primarch era force. The aging of the armour styles is going quite well. I'm interested in seeing a bannerbearer, or some giant old tech heavy/special old weapons.

Whitehorn
03-12-2008, 13:54
Hmmmm, I thought that the Dusk Raiders were just the name of the Death Guard until they got the name "Death Guard" because of some event?

That simplifies it, yes.

Pre-Mortarian they had a different colour and name, most likely a different symbol too (as the Death Guard symbol fits the name).

They were Terran-born, so more differences in traditions and also pre-Legion aspects.