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Arisen
13-09-2008, 21:04
Hi, this is my first time making a Daemons of Chaos list and I have never actually played them, so feel free to drastically remodel my list if it would fail epically... Will be a friendly army, but me and my friends are very competitive so basically I would like it to kick ass! Only things I would prefer to keep are the Bloodthirster (7 WS10 Str 10 Attacks is just... Amazing...) and the Bloodletters (As i have already bought some of them). Please answer the questions asked in the list. So, here it is:

Lords & Heroes:

ARMY GENERAL
Bloodthirster - 450
Awesome Strength - 75
Armour of Khorne - 15
TOTAL - 540

Herald of Khorne - 100
Juggernaut - 50
BSB - 25
Standard of Chaos Glory - 125
Firestorm Blade - 25
Armour of Khorne - 15
TOTAL - 340
*Goes with Bloodletters*

Herald of Nurgle - 115
Level 1 Wizard - 50
Staff of Nurgle - 50
TOTAL - 215
*Goes with Plaguebearers*

Herald of Tzeentch - 115
Chariot of Tzeentch - 60
Power Vortex - 30
TOTAL - 205

Core:

30 Bloodletters - 360
Musician - 6
Standard Bearer - 12
Icon of Endless War - 25
TOTAL - 403
*Herald of Khorne goes here*
*Question 1* Can one unit include the BSB and a unit Standard Bearer?

20 Plaguebearers - 240
Musician - 6
Standard Bearer - 12
Standard of Seeping Decay - 25
TOTAL - 283
*Herald of Nurgle goes here*

10 Daemonettes - 120
Musician - 6
Standard Bearer - 12
TOTAL - 138

10 Daemonettes - 120
Musician - 6
Standard Bearer - 12
TOTAL - 138

Special:

5 Flesh Hounds - 175
1 Karanak - 75
TOTAL - 250
*Question 2* Is this how Karanak's points cost is worked out or do you have to pay for a normal Flesh Hound AND a 75-Point upgrade?

Rare:

6 Flamers - 210
Pyrocaster - 15
TOTAL - 225

5 Fiends of Slaanesh - 275

GRAND TOTAL - >3k :P
EDIT: Thanks for your comment! I have split the Daemonettes to make my 4 Cores. However, after looking through a few battle reports, I have considered focussing on magic, so here is a new list:

Lords & Heroes:

ARMY GENERAL
Great Unclean One - 450
Level 4 Wizard - 85
Balesword - 75
Noxious Vapours - 25
TOTAL - 635

Herald of Tzeentch - 115
Disc of Tzeentch - 20
Master of Sorcery - 30 *Question 1 - Which lore is best for my mages to dish out some serious long-range ownage? I was thinking Shadow - Creeping Death vs. Hordes, Pit of Shades vs. Elite armies*
TOTAL - 165

Herald of Tzeentch - 115
Disc of Tzeentch - 20
Master of Sorcery - 30
TOTAL - 165

Herald of Tzeentch - 115
Disc of Tzeentch - 20
Master of Sorcery - 30
TOTAL - 165

Herald of Tzeentch - 115
Disc of Tzeentch - 20
Master of Sorcery - 30
TOTAL - 165

Herald of Nurgle - 115
BSB - 25
Banner of Chaos Glory - 125
Level 1 Wizard - 50
Staff of Nurgle - 50
TOTAL - 365
*Goes with Plaguebearers*

Core:

30 Plaguebearers - 360
Musician - 6
Standard Bearer - 12
Standard of Seeping Decay - 25
TOTAL - 403
*Herald of Nurgle goes here*
*Question 2* Can one unit include the BSB and a unit Standard Bearer?

30 Pink Horrors - 360
Musician - 6
Standard Bearer - 12
Icon of Sorcery - 15
TOTAL - 393

10 Bloodletters - 120
Musician - 6
Standard Bearer - 12
Icon of Endless War - 25
TOTAL - 163

10 Daemonettes - 120
Musician - 6
Standard Bearer - 12
Siren Standard - 25
TOTAL - 163

Rare:

4 Flamers - 140
Pyrocaster - 15
TOTAL - 155

GRAND TOTAL - >3k

Again, please answer my questions, is ths more viable, feel free to take it apart etc, etc!

EDIT AGAIN: Tactics will be basically to hide behind my Great Unclean One and plaguebearers with my Bloodletters and Daemonettes running out from behind the lines whenever possible to kill stuff, and my wizards spamming nasty spells :P

Warlord Broken spear
13-09-2008, 21:47
the only 2 problems I see with the list is you only have 3 core units, and that's not enough for a 3000 pt game.

also, you don't have that many dispel dice, only 4 and in 3000 pts anyone will be able to easily get over 4 dispel dice.


any normal unit can have a battle standard bearer and a unit banner, unless there is a special rule againt it in the rulebook then it is ok

Army Builder says Karanak's replaces a nomal flesh hound, but army builder has been know to be wrong

Arisen
14-09-2008, 10:42
Errata says that Karanak is an upgrade, so I had to remove a flamer to afford him :(

Shamfrit
14-09-2008, 10:54
5 Deployment Options in a 3000 point game is absurd, absolutely, 100% absurd.

Even an army like Vampire Counts, with two Zombie Dragon totting Lords in it will outnumber, outmanoeuvre and outplay you. I've recently drawn away from Greater Daemons as an all Herald army works so much better and gives you 2-300 points extra for troops if you skim the points from your Heralds. (Conservative ftw!)

For your Tzeentch Heralds (my speciality!) I'd take 2 Lore of Lifes/Beasts, and a Lore fo Fire and a Lore of Heavens to mix offense with shooting defense and manipulation. The movement spells should also be considered if you don't manage to make more units. I'd drop the Great Unclean One and take a few Horror Units, another Plaguebearer unit and heck, some Furies, which will do considerably better than the Greater Daemon!

Arisen
14-09-2008, 11:41
Sigh... greater daemons may be a massive points dump but 10 wounds is just too damn cool! What is a Deployment Option, do you mean a Core choice? Dont have time now but I will change it in mebbe an hour or so...

Shamfrit
14-09-2008, 11:50
It means you've only got 5 units to put down on the field. You're opponent won't even have set half his, heck, quarter of his army down, so he'll be able to deploy to counter your every move.

10 Wounds is good by all means, but he only needs to cause 5 to earn himself 300 VP.

Arisen
14-09-2008, 12:00
have to tidy ma room atm, so I will write a new list in mebbe 30 mins... Lores of Life and Beasts are pretty sucky they seem to be the worst laws to me... I was thinking 2 Shadow, 1 Fire and 1 Metal, or replacing the fire with metal for high-armour armies... I dont care all that much about buffs, etc...

Shamfrit
14-09-2008, 12:11
Lore of Life allows you to target pretty much anything in LOS on the field, and works well for dealing with scouts in terrain (especially things in buildings due to Master of Stone) and for picking of War Machines or Great Eagles. It also gives you the most effective anti-missile spell in the Game, heck, they're both good. -1 for the rest of the game on a bolt thrower can be the end of it's effectiveness at ripping through your units.

Arisen
14-09-2008, 12:58
Another consideration is that a GUO is MUCH, MUCH cheaper than 650 points of furies or whatever, and im not made of money... Am currently considering a lord of change, will post the list in a bit

Shamfrit
14-09-2008, 13:00
A very good point indeed Arisen, the only reason I dropped my Daemon was to have 4 Heralds and to increase my Bloodletters from one unit of 12 to two units of 16.

Arisen
14-09-2008, 13:22
I have come up with a new list... I am sad to lose my beloved greater daemon, but having seen what those points will get me, it isnt too bad... So here is my new list:

Lords & Heroes:

ARMY GENERAL
Herald of Tzeentch - 115
Disc of Tzeentch - 20
Master of Sorcery - 30
TOTAL - 165

Herald of Tzeentch - 115
Disc of Tzeentch - 20
Master of Sorcery - 30
TOTAL - 165

Herald of Tzeentch - 115
Disc of Tzeentch - 20
Master of Sorcery - 30
TOTAL - 165

Herald of Nurgle - 115
Staff of Nurgle - 50
TOTAL - 165
*Goes with smaller Plaguebearer unit*

Herald of Nurgle - 115
BSB - 25
Banner of Chaos Glory - 125
Staff of Nurgle - 50
TOTAL - 315
*Goes with bigger Plaguebearer unit*

The Masque - 90

Core:

29 Plaguebearers - 348
Musician - 6
Standard Bearer - 12
Standard of Seeping Decay - 25
TOTAL - 403
*BSB Herald of Nurgle goes here*

20 Plaguebearers - 240
Musician - 6
Standard Bearer - 12
Standard of Seeping Decay
TOTAL - 283
*Non-BSB Herald of Nurgle goes here*

20 Bloodletters - 240
Musician - 6
Standard Bearer - 12
Icon of Endless War - 25
TOTAL - 283

10 Daemonettes - 120
Musician - 6
Standard Bearer - 12
Siren Standard - 25
TOTAL - 143

10 Daemonettes - 120
Musician - 6
Standard Bearer - 12
Siren Standard - 25
TOTAL - 143

5 Furies - 60

5 Furies - 60

Special:

5 Screamers - 150

5 Screamers - 150

Rare:

6 Flamers - 210
Pyrocaster - 15
TOTAL - 225

GRAND TOTAL - 2965

Shamfrit
14-09-2008, 14:13
Much, much, much better!

Nicely done.

Arisen
14-09-2008, 16:11
Ty. Anyone else haver any commemntts on the last list?