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Draichmaster
21-09-2008, 04:38
I apologize in advance to those that have not yet come across my insanely long posts. Any fainting, drowsiness, heart problems, eye problems, breathing problems, and so on are not to be my fault. Read this at your peril.

Having said that, I recently decided to venture out from the fantasy universe. My next logical step would be to delve 40k+ years into the future, in an alternate dimension. I did my research, and have very little to show for it. I know I'm not interested in Orks, Eldar or Tau, all Inquisition, 'Nids & Imperial Guard, and Necrons. Orks (although they were my first choice), Eldar and Tau because too many people I know play them, Inquisition because I'm jewish and it is just a very sensitive topic for me, 'Nids & IG because my Druchii army is already sucking my wallet dry and I doubt I'll have enough money for a swarm army, and Necrons because they seem dull and unentertaining.

This leaves me with Space Marines, Chaos Space Marines, and Dark Eldar. However, Necrons could be added to the list if they get redone soon (and well). Out of all SM chapters, Space Wolves was the only one to interest me, mainly because of its non-conformism. CSM I'm just lost, but Plague Marines seem to be the favourite. DE I'm not sure just because of the insanely out-dated rules, but much like Necrons they could become a strong contender if they get redone well. So atm, I'm at Space Wolves & CSM.

This prompts my next question: Will Space Wolves get redone, and more importantly will it be soon? If they will, they are a definite yes, but as of now I've read/heard rumours of all armies getting redone soon, except for Orks, Tau, and Eldar. If they will be definitely getting a new book soon, will it be worth it to buy models now or should I wait for new models? If not, are they currently a worthwhile army to use?

- Draich

zanotam
21-09-2008, 05:04
Really, I'm surprised they weren't redone in 4th edition. My guess is they'll get a new codex sometime in 2009, but I'm no expert on these matters, just a hunch based on what I've noticed about GW's 40k release schedule. Oh, and your post isn't even close to as bad as some of the ones that pop up around here. If you aren't leaking into a third post, it's not too long.

Takitron
21-09-2008, 05:11
apparently they are getting worked on soon, it doesn't hurt to get basic stuff out the way like blood claws and ven dred. the old codex refers to the new space marine codex so you actually get some of the cool new toys.


What does being Jewish have to do with the inquisition?

FashaTheDog
21-09-2008, 05:23
Historical events can still ring true in some cultural identies due to what the real life Inquisition had done, despite the time passed. Understandable if the imagry of the game seems to clash with real life values, especially in families and communities that take great pride and place much signifigance on their religious and cultural history. I know someone who likes Warhammer but because of their strong belief, they take great issue with Daemons, even though it is a game. It just stikes a sensative area and as long as some concessions are made to exclude them, there's no issue.

imperial_scholar
21-09-2008, 05:29
apparently they are getting worked on soon, it doesn't hurt to get basic stuff out the way like blood claws and ven dred. the old codex refers to the new space marine codex so you actually get some of the cool new toys.


What does being Jewish have to do with the inquisition?

Spanish inquisitors also outed jews in the middle ages.
I say hold off. Go with orks because they are fun and you can buy the black reach kit (or 2) and trade off the SM stuff.
Orks are getting more models in january which in the games workshop world is around the corner.

SW's keep getting their rumoured release date pushed around. Some say (such as myself) Feb-March 2009. Some say Dec 2009. So... No time soon thats for sure.

Ambu
21-09-2008, 05:40
Agree with imperial_scholar about the a new SW codex release date being soft atm. Disagree about orks though if you are looking for a less expensive army money wise. Yes AoBR give you a hella start but there is still a lot of models needed for a good green tide.

Sent you a PM about a good site devoted to nurgle if thats the route you wanna go and I will still agree with scholar about getting the AoBR boxes and convert them to chaos as I am doing to add to my 4000+pts of Chaos (with all the boxes I got with trades nd what not going to put me up to 6kpts...WOOT!!) and will give you a great start on the orks when you have money to invest into them more.

One last note.... If you do decide to go orks and get the 2 AoBR boxes I would suggest the battle force and you will have a very decent orc army then!!!

Michael M.
21-09-2008, 05:57
From what i have heared from GD UK seminars is that a new C:SW is in work but it will take roundabout 12 to 18 month until it will be released. A SW army gives you a lot of options for conversions and i think they will change not so much to our units. I think you can work with the actual stuff. I play SW (10000 points) for 16years now and i can say: Once a SW, always a SW. I have a lot of other armies too, Grey Knights (10000 points), Eldar (6500 points), Thousand Sons CSM (7500 points) and a DIY SM chapter (3500 points), but my SW are my first and only. And itīs right, our C:SW uses the C:SM as a reference so you will profit from some of the new stuff. Since the 5th Ed is out i havenīt lost a single of my 12 (including a small 10000 points Apocalypse battle) game with my Wolves, the 5th loves the Wolves. And with the new C:SM as our refence we will be harder as ever. There is no better time to be a SW then now.

And about the Religion/Inquisition thing. If you canīt distinguish between your real life religion and the fictitious religion thing of 40K you are wrong in 40K. The one has nothing to do with the other. Try to keep that in mind. 40K lives much more from the relegious idea then fantasy. WHF and 40K have the same religious background but imho 40K is more extreme in the meaning of it to 40k universe and the way they use it.

Disciple of Caliban
21-09-2008, 11:02
Codex: SW seems to be coming late next year, so yes, tis getting redone, but it wont be around any time soon.

That being said, the current SW dex is pretty good, and just got better with the new codex:SM, since we get the new toys.

When the new SW dex comes out its unlikely to change the army too much, so you should be safe to collect a SW army now without having to worry about it changing drastically. Grey Hunters, Blood claws, Long fangs + Ven Dreads will still be around in the next book, plus most of the C:SM options we get access to will probably stick around. About the only thing likely to change much with the C:SW is a reduction in the special rules, and consolidating everything into one place, since currently to play space wolves you need a lot of reference material

WolfScout
10-10-2008, 18:30
Yes they will be redone. Phil Kelly said during the Product Brief that he is currently writing the Codex. I would GUESS summer '09, if not by Christmas '09. It is a while. In the meantime I have found a way to use the Chaos Codex to "update" the 'Wolves. It works well enough, but in all honesty I prefer using my older SW codex most of the time

Ubermensch Commander
10-10-2008, 20:33
I apologize in advance to those that have not yet come across my insanely long posts. Any fainting, drowsiness, heart problems, eye problems, breathing problems, and so on are not to be my fault. Read this at your peril.

Having said that, I recently decided to venture out from the fantasy universe. My next logical step would be to delve 40k+ years into the future, in an alternate dimension. I did my research, and have very little to show for it. I know I'm not interested in Orks, Eldar or Tau, all Inquisition, 'Nids & Imperial Guard, and Necrons. Orks (although they were my first choice), Eldar and Tau because too many people I know play them, Inquisition because I'm jewish and it is just a very sensitive topic for me, 'Nids & IG because my Druchii army is already sucking my wallet dry and I doubt I'll have enough money for a swarm army, and Necrons because they seem dull and unentertaining.

This leaves me with Space Marines, Chaos Space Marines, and Dark Eldar. However, Necrons could be added to the list if they get redone soon (and well). Out of all SM chapters, Space Wolves was the only one to interest me, mainly because of its non-conformism. CSM I'm just lost, but Plague Marines seem to be the favourite. DE I'm not sure just because of the insanely out-dated rules, but much like Necrons they could become a strong contender if they get redone well. So atm, I'm at Space Wolves & CSM.

This prompts my next question: Will Space Wolves get redone, and more importantly will it be soon? If they will, they are a definite yes, but as of now I've read/heard rumours of all armies getting redone soon, except for Orks, Tau, and Eldar. If they will be definitely getting a new book soon, will it be worth it to buy models now or should I wait for new models? If not, are they currently a worthwhile army to use?

- Draich


Two points-1) You have a problem with the inquistion but not playing a Chaos Space Marines in the service of Dark Gods, hedonistic sadist raiders(The DE), or the savage drunken servants of a dystopian government(SW)?
Really? That surprises me. It's a game brother, fiction. These are not the same Inquistion. These are the Emperor's-Blessed Inquisiton! So bust out the promethium in the name of the One True God-Emperor! Moo hoo hahah!

2) Wait on it. Most of the armies you mentioned are supposedly getting an update with a year or two's time. Sit tight and start making a wishlist!

MrMojoZ
10-10-2008, 21:06
There is no better time to be a SW then now.


I don't agree, the 2nd edition codex was the golden era for Space Wolves.

Ghachii
10-10-2008, 21:22
Two points-1) You have a problem with the inquistion but not playing a Chaos Space Marines in the service of Dark Gods, hedonistic sadist raiders(The DE), or the savage drunken servants of a dystopian government(SW)?
Really? That surprises me. It's a game brother, fiction. These are not the same Inquistion. These are the Emperor's-Blessed Inquisiton! So bust out the promethium in the name of the One True God-Emperor! Moo hoo hahah!

Quoted for truth, as they say. If we're going to get all sensitive about fictional characters/beings doing horrific things to each other we might as well throw out 50% of all fiction, in any medium. We would certainly have to significantly rewrite every race in 40K.

Lisiecki
10-10-2008, 21:25
Ummm the entire point of the inqusition was to
1.To establish political and religious homogeneity. (kick the Muslim's and Jew's out.
2.Profit to fund the Reconquista. Take the Land of Jew's and Muslim's sell it at a profit for the crown.

So, im guessing that the Inquisition has everything to do with being Jewish.
The OP isn't saying its horrible and shouldn't be in the game, but speaking as a Jew, If Codex: Protective Squadron i wouldn't be comfortable playing it.




What does being Jewish have to do with the inquisition?

Othiem
10-10-2008, 21:26
First thing, as I'm sure you are familiar with from fantasy, don't schedule you're army around when GW MIGHT release a new codex or models. Things get pushed back, schedules change, etc etc.

Second, don't mean to talk you out of SW if you are set on them, they are really cool after all, but you should reconsider Tyranids. Between the Assault Brood set and a Tyrant, you have a solid and diverse 1500 point force coming in at around $225, making it one of the cheaper armies in the game to get up and running. And since they're all organic looking you can paint them real quick with just a bit of drybrushing, washing, and some tiny highlights.

CSM are also a good start, plague marines are fun. They're one of the toughest objective holders in the game. Also CSM provide TONS of opportunities for creative modeling, and price wise will come out around the same as the SWs.

Dark Eldar though you should definitely hold off on, too many metal models in dire need of re-sculpting. Hopefully they'll be out soon, but who knows?

Leman Russ
10-10-2008, 21:30
I'm sorry but I find your comment about the Inquisition just insulting to Judaism and humanity in general.

I am also Jewish, and if you honestly have a problem with that, quit now because every other race is equally (if not more) "offensive".

After all, Space Wolves venerate Leman Russ and The Emperor, drink all the time, enjoy killing for the lulz and dont have Payot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payot) so maybe the army isnt for you.

But to answer your question:
SW = Viking with Bolters and new codex is Dec 09

Ghachii
10-10-2008, 21:32
Ummm the entire point of the inqusition was to
1.To establish political and religious homogeneity. (kick the Muslim's and Jew's out.
2.Profit to fund the Reconquista. Take the Land of Jew's and Muslim's sell it at a profit for the crown.

So, im guessing that the Inquisition has everything to do with being Jewish.
The OP isn't saying its horrible and shouldn't be in the game, but speaking as a Jew, If Codex: Protective Squadron i wouldn't be comfortable playing it.

They're not the same Inquisition though - to be offended by a fictional organisation just because it shares its descriptive name with a real-world organisation seems incredibly thin-skinned to me.

I think I'll avoid voting for any political party in future, since they all share the second half of their name with the Nazi Party. :rolleyes:

Lisiecki
10-10-2008, 21:45
They're not the same Inquisition though - to be offended by a fictional organisation just because it shares its descriptive name with a real-world organisation seems incredibly thin-skinned to me.


Where did the OP say s/he was offended? This may be me going crazy but what i read was
I know I'm not interested in ... Inquisition because I'm jewish and it is just a very sensitive topic for me,

When did they make a new rule that in order to be sensitive to something you have to be offended?


I think I'll avoid voting for any political party in future, since they all share the second half of their name with the Nazi Party. :rolleyes:
Ok, i know this is just me not being as smart as you, so your going to help me out. National Socialist German Workers' Party thats 35 letters.
Half of 35 is 17.5
the last 17 letters of National Socialist German Workers' Party are "erman Workers' Party" I have to admit, I've never heard of any party called that.
Or do you just mean German Workers' Party, cause again, thats beyond my knowledge of American political party's

Leman Russ
10-10-2008, 21:51
Nazi Party = 2 words

Though i suppose they really were called "Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei" if you want to split hairs.

InB4P+R

FashaTheDog
10-10-2008, 21:53
I might be going out on a limb here but I think you being too intelligent for your own enjoyment of his joke. He meant Nazi Party, Democratic Party, Republican Party.

Lisiecki
10-10-2008, 21:59
Yes, the Nazi Party is short for National Socialist German Workers' Party.
So, even if were going as "Nazi Party" for the short form of that party, then where is the word party in GOP, the nickname for the Republican party?




I might be going out on a limb here but I think you being too intelligent for your own enjoyment of his joke. He meant Nazi Party, Democratic Party, Republican Party.

FashaTheDog
10-10-2008, 22:41
You're still placing too much thought into what is a very simple joke. Just accept that the only standard uniting them is that in one form or another, the format is _____ party.

Lisiecki
10-10-2008, 22:47
Oh, ok, its very funny then.

Any ways for the two points to this thread

A) Space Wolves ROCK ASS, however, all the rumours threads seem to think that there getting done fairly soon. Im not a person who has any kind of contact with GW, but that seems to be what most people aggree on.

2) come on for Petes sake, the dudes sensitive about playing an army called the Inquisition, hes sensitive about playing an army called the Inquisition.
He never said hes offended. He never said he wouldnt play them, just that part of the fluff bugs him.
Hey, im in the boat with him, ill never play tau. I hate the little blue tossers



You're still placing too much thought into what is a very simple joke. Just accept that the only standard uniting them is that in one form or another, the format is _____ party.

nedsta
11-10-2008, 11:24
i've been playing wolves now for 12 years and i find you have such a laugh with gaming with them,but its even better when you start getting into character yourself and find yourself wanting to attack the hated DA when they dare to walk next to you,its even funnier when your whole army suddenly charges at that poor little kids DA sqaud just for the reason of trying to fight alongside you and he looks like he's gonna cry :D what a game that was lol

FashaTheDog
11-10-2008, 18:09
Getting into character with Space Wolves requires copious amounts of alchol, epic beards, and an intense dislike for David Blaine.