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Degman
30-09-2008, 11:46
Skeletons and grave guard units in latest VC book have no mark for maximum sized units, just 'min. size+'.

Does it mean that I can make 40 skeleton units?

Gokamok
30-09-2008, 12:11
The answer is: Yes.

Lord Malorne
30-09-2008, 12:12
40 skeletons in a unit yes, 40 units of 1 skeleton...NO!

There are no max caps on core units.

Skellies are 10+ and grave guard are 5+, remember grave guard are special so you can only take a certain amount of these units.

Sorry if I have said anything you already know, best to be sure :D.

Degman
30-09-2008, 12:15
@ Gokamok - Thanks!

@ Lord Malorne - Sorry, typo :D

theunwantedbeing
30-09-2008, 13:37
Yes, you can now take a giant hoarde of 200 zombies to act as a screen for your army.

Although most people seem to see that minimum unit size as a limit as to how alrge their core unit's can be.
Same for the core allowance, seems they're seeing it as a limit....

It's very odd.
So please for the love of god, do not fall into that trap.

Tokamak
30-09-2008, 14:07
It's usually not recommended to even get close to the minimum unit size, apart from cavalry.

Lord Malorne
30-09-2008, 14:09
And archers ;).

Degman
30-09-2008, 16:12
Actually, I am thinking of some small (pointwise) army with 3 - 4 units of 35/6 to 40 skeleton spearmen, some led with the wraith lords and one or two equally sized grave guard units. Perhaps later strenghtened with a black knights unit.

I want an ancient, undead legion army, only with miniatures that look like they were soldiers in a single army (no resurrected peasants as zombies, ghouls, bats, wolfs etc). I would have used a wraith king as a general, but since that is impossible, I'll be using Krell figure as a stand-in for a martielle vampire.

Lord Malorne
30-09-2008, 16:21
You could still pop in a few necromancers as 'priests'.

Mercules
30-09-2008, 18:44
It's usually not recommended to even get close to the minimum unit size, apart from cavalry.

And Ogres... well, and most 40x40mm based models.

Tarian
30-09-2008, 22:11
And certain ASF elite infantry.

Lord Dan
01-10-2008, 05:15
And flying cavalry. And skirmishers.

See, I can do it, too. :)

Gorbad Ironclaw
01-10-2008, 06:21
And sacrificial troops. And High Elves :p

Degman
01-10-2008, 09:01
You could still pop in a few necromancers as 'priests'.

Don't know about necromancers, but was thinking about using wraiths as scouts.

T10
01-10-2008, 09:31
Actually, I am thinking of some small (pointwise) army with 3 - 4 units of 35/6 to 40 skeleton spearmen, some led with the wraith lords and one or two equally sized grave guard units. Perhaps later strenghtened with a black knights unit.

I want an ancient, undead legion army, only with miniatures that look like they were soldiers in a single army (no resurrected peasants as zombies, ghouls, bats, wolfs etc). I would have used a wraith king as a general, but since that is impossible, I'll be using Krell figure as a stand-in for a martielle vampire.

I don't think you share the same view of "small armies" as the rest of the world. 4x40 skeletons amount to somewhere close to 1400 points.

I am also pretty sure you'll need a to settle for Wight Kings rather than those Wraith Lords and Wraith Kings we keep hearing about...

-T10

Aelyn
01-10-2008, 20:50
It's usually not recommended to even get close to the minimum unit size, apart from cavalry.

And archers ;).

And Ogres... well, and most 40x40mm based models.

And certain ASF elite infantry.

And flying cavalry. And skirmishers.

And sacrificial troops. And High Elves :p
In conclusion, yes, it's usually not recommended to even get close to the minimum unit size with Dwarf infantry blocks armed with hand weapon and shield, with full command and expected to be accompanied by a Thane with the Oathstone.

Sojourner
02-10-2008, 11:09
In a blatant attempt to derail this thread:

What would you do with someone who wanted to deploy a unit so large it won't fit into his deployment zone?

Braad
02-10-2008, 11:11
That would require a very large unit...
I think I would have him stick it out the back, until it can completely move onto the table.
Otherwise he could make a unit that can charge on turn one.

Give such a unit bows, and let it fire at large targets...

BEEGfrog
02-10-2008, 12:18
Get a bigger table...

T10
02-10-2008, 16:11
You can't deploy outside your deployment zone, and the table edge counts as difficult terrain.

While it is certainly possible to come to an agreement as to how to resolve this, there really isn't any way for the player to claim any unfair benefits - he'll need to rely on the good will of his opponent, really.

-T10

Helveticus
02-10-2008, 16:25
about 900 peasant Bowmen will do it... be too large to fit in your deployment zone that is...

destroyerlord
03-10-2008, 12:07
And then what do you do with the rest of the army? If you have one unit that wont fit, the rest of the army (ie compulsory core) wont have anywhere to go either...

BattleofLund
03-10-2008, 12:37
A unit can't be fit into the army's deployment zone...

Is it because A) formerly deployed units and/or impassable terrain limits the available area?

or B) it's a unit of 1,000 Orc Boyz trying to mass in a 864 square inch deployment zone?

If B, I'd say you should get a bigger table - playing 5,000+ points battles on a 2-3,000 points' battlefield takes away from the point of big battles.

If A, let it hang over the edge. Must attempt to clear the edge at all costs and as soon as possible.

Tarian
03-10-2008, 12:44
Back in 6th VC, when they had that weird Bretonnian special list, I had an opponent with a block of Black Knights in Lance formation that was so long, it only fit in his deployment zone sideways. First turn, the entire regiment had to wheel to face my army. >.<