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kylsnik ironhead
01-10-2008, 05:35
I was just wondering becuse I seem to recall reading somwhere that Nurgle had a daughter and the Changling could be Tzeentch's kid.

Neknoh
01-10-2008, 10:50
Nurgle has a daughter, he keeps her locked up in a cage and tests new plagues on her.

The Changeling is a creation of tzeentch and not really his son.

Lord Malorne
01-10-2008, 12:47
I'd say no as they are not children in the sense we view them, being manifestations of the warp/chaos realm, so in effect they are all the children of there 'gods'.

MrBigMr
01-10-2008, 13:04
Do the Chaos gods have children?
Dear God, I hope not. Talk about Les Enfants Terribles.


Nurgle has a daughter, he keeps her locked up in a cage and tests new plagues on her.
The Daemon army book only hints at this among other things. The funny thing is that at least my copy first talks of Poxfulcrum as a 'he' ("Though Poxfulcrum inevitably purges the disease from his body..."), but later as a 'she' ("As for Poxfulcrum, she..."). Maybe (s)he's Nurgle's and Slaanesh's love child of non-disclosed gender. Reminds me of Soulthirster (http://exterminatusnow.comicgenesis.com/d/20060721.html) from Exterminatus Now.

In 40K the imprisoned deity is Isha.

ThousandPlateaus
01-10-2008, 18:40
I think she's also a sly nod to whatserface who was interned in a crystal coffin by Malal. Vallaya, Shallaya, Myrimidia? One of those.

The Gods of the Empire have children, so it would be sort of theologically possible, but highly unlikely due to the Chaos Gods self-interestedness, vanity and inability in co-operate with their 'brothers' for long enough. Oh, and the fact that they're all rationalised as male (or shemale) wouldn't help.

Arnizipal
01-10-2008, 19:06
Arianka, a lost godess of Law.

Lamhirh
01-10-2008, 19:42
Well in the Malus Darkblade series there is a 'Screaming Godchild' who is said to be the spawn of who-knows-what Chaos powers. I think it would be interesting to incorporate some of the ideas from the 'Scarred Lands' setting. In that world titans take the place of the chaos gods and almost all of the (much 'friendlier') gods worshiped by mortals are their kids. We are talking about some weird cthonic deities here. (http://www.swordsorcery.com/titans.html) It makes for a screwy pantheon of lesser godlings that's for sure...


Maybe (s)he's Nurgle's and Slaanesh's love child of non-disclosed gender.

There was a 'Secret Life of Mobs' strip in which Nurgle basically accused Slaanesh of molesting him, LOL. On a serious note, I imagine the result looking and acting more like 'Talona' (http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Talona_-_Brom.jpg)...


It wouldn't be unheard of for even diametrically opposite powers to use mutual offspring against one another either. Mortals do it all the time and for gods technicalities like gender etc. are a non-issue.


In 40K the imprisoned deity is Isha.

Seeing as how Nurgle captured Isha in 40K one can only hope he hasn't procreated with her *shudder*.


Arianka, a lost godess of Law.

As far as Arianka is concerned...the lords of law are close kin to those of chaos. It's a shame that GW doesn't make more use of them because they should be rather prominent. Maybe Asuryan is the son of, or an aspect of Alluminas? They certainly seem to have a lot in common...

Brother Siccarius
01-10-2008, 23:59
I was just wondering becuse I seem to recall reading somwhere that Nurgle had a daughter and the Changling could be Tzeentch's kid.

Yes, no, maybe. The best answer there is.

Every chaos demon is a small amount of the power that is the god they follow (or undivided would be a small amount of many gods), so in essence all demons are the children of their patron god. I really doubt they're able to have anything quite like biological children, what with not being biological and all that.

Hence why Nurgle is also known as Papa Nurgle to his followers (and greater demons of nurgle sometimes call the demons under them their children)

Lord Zarkov
02-10-2008, 18:51
Arianka, a lost godess of Law.

Wasn't she trapped by Tzeentch? I vaguely recall that Kaleb Daarke was trying to release her

ThousandPlateaus
03-10-2008, 02:37
Arianka, a lost godess of Law.

That's the one, thank you.


Wasn't she trapped by Tzeentch? I vaguely recall that Kaleb Daarke was trying to release her

Part right. She was imprisoned by Malal, although I think Msr.Daarke was one of the many trying to relocate the keys to her coffin at that time.

lord mekri
03-10-2008, 04:24
That's the one, thank you.



Part right. She was imprisoned by Malal, although I think Msr.Daarke was one of the many trying to relocate the keys to her coffin at that time.

question - what is the soruce of this? i know the names of mala and arianka come from 1st edition wfrp, but it didnt mention malal imprisioned her, not this person trying to release her.

Ward.
03-10-2008, 06:42
I always thought it was slaanesh that bagged her?

Had a whole order of knights devoted to finding the keys or something.

jhon
03-10-2008, 07:31
That's the one, thank you.



Part right. She was imprisoned by Malal, although I think Msr.Daarke was one of the many trying to relocate the keys to her coffin at that time.

no , she is the little girl with a black dog who mass around with the big T at his Maze

Lord Zarkov
03-10-2008, 09:28
question - what is the soruce of this? i know the names of mala and arianka come from 1st edition wfrp, but it didnt mention malal imprisioned her, not this person trying to release her.

Kaleb Daarke was a follower of Malal from a comic book GW had made. The very comic infact that the copyright arguments over caused Malal to be removed and that spawned GW's obsessive IP policy (although after that mess who'd blame them tbh).

The bit about him trying to release her was part of the story. Her being a God of Law, releasing her would upset the Chaos Gods as they'd have another powerful enemy.

Faustburg
03-10-2008, 09:54
Kaleb Daarke was a follower of Malal from a comic book GW had made. The very comic infact that the copyright arguments over caused Malal to be removed and that spawned GW's obsessive IP policy (although after that mess who'd blame them tbh).

Myth, debunked over and over... There was no "mess".

Malal was the IP of the creator, yes, but that was just how things were done back then.

He was dropped, along with the Gods of Law (although those hung on a while longer as the Roleplaying- and Table top games skewed away from each other...) when the writers decided (around WH 3rd edition) to at least try and make the background more original, and not a direct port of Moorcocks books and DnD.

ThousandPlateaus
03-10-2008, 10:29
question - what is the soruce of this? i know the names of mala and arianka come from 1st edition wfrp, but it didnt mention malal imprisioned her, not this person trying to release her.

WHFRP Rulebook (1986-89 Edition) and the Kaleb Daarke Comic strip from the WD at that time.

I've just checked the sources, though, and you're right: it states that Arianka was defeated long ago by an unnamed Chaos God, so yes, you're right - I had imagined that it was Malal, it's not explicitly stated anywhere who had imprisoned her.

Arnizipal
03-10-2008, 11:47
Myth, debunked over and over... There was no "mess".

Malal was the IP of the creator, yes, but that was just how things were done back then.

He was dropped, along with the Gods of Law (although those hung on a while longer as the Roleplaying- and Table top games skewed away from each other...) when the writers decided (around WH 3rd edition) to at least try and make the background more original, and not a direct port of Moorcocks books and DnD.
Actually, the concept of Malal was rather original so I doubt GW willingly did away with him.

The lawful god of Vengeance, Solkan, still has cameo appearences in WFRP material and the Liber Chaotica.


WHFRP Rulebook (1986-89 Edition) and the Kaleb Daarke Comic strip from the WD at that time.

I've just checked the sources, though, and you're right: it states that Arianka was defeated long ago by an unnamed Chaos God, so yes, you're right - I had imagined that it was Malal, it's not explicitly stated anywhere who had imprisoned her.
It would be a bit contradictory to have Malal imprison her and then set his greatest champion out to free her, but then Malal was a renegade Chaos god so anything could be possible.

ThousandPlateaus
03-10-2008, 11:53
It would be a bit contradictory to have Malal imprison her and then set his greatest champion out to free her, but then Malal was a renegade Chaos god so anything could be possible.

Malal was nothing if not contrary.

Faustburg
03-10-2008, 12:27
Actually, the concept of Malal was rather original so I doubt GW willingly did away with him.

...but Khaaleb Daark being a chaos champion opposing the chaos gods was a bit too much Elric...

(and then, a few years later, in the original realm of chaos books, they re-introduced ideas like that... go figure)

But look it up, there was no feud between Grant/Wagner and GW, Malal was simply dropped as work on the Realm of Chaos books and the definite formation of the Chaos Gods concepts took off.

Ownership went to the creators, as that was simply how things were done back then.

That it should have been a feud is purely internet hyperbolic apocrypha, as people enjoy the idea of GW being shafted...

Arnizipal
03-10-2008, 13:33
Apparently GW did intend to use Malal later on but couldn't get the rights (see the newly invented renegade Chaos gods in Something Rotten in Kislev for WFRP ), which at least hints at some sort of dispute.

MrBigMr
03-10-2008, 15:08
Apparently GW did intend to use Malal later on but couldn't get the rights (see the newly invented renegade Chaos gods in Something Rotten in Kislev for WFRP ), which at least hints at some sort of dispute.
They still do, just don't mention him by name. At least in 40K you have the Sons of Malice (http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Sons_of_Malice).

"The chapter's colours, symbol, name and enmity to both Chaos and the Imperium, links them with Malal, at one time the fifth God of Chaos."

I remember seeing some other references to Malal as well.

Lord Zarkov
03-10-2008, 15:32
Dreadaxe in C:CSM 3.5, this (http://www.solegends.com/citle/citle2000/GamesDay/gd2002chaoschampion.htm) Games Day Miniature, & the Fury models to a certain extent.

Arnizipal
03-10-2008, 15:50
Sure, but they don't (can't?) use his name directly.

Zherghegg
04-10-2008, 10:03
isn't Shallya in WHFB the daughter of nurgle, who he keeps locked in a cage?

Ward.
04-10-2008, 14:20
this (http://www.solegends.com/citle/citle2000/GamesDay/gd2002chaoschampion.htm) Games Day Miniature

Did anyone else picture legolas getting punted over a fence after seeing that?

ThousandPlateaus
04-10-2008, 14:54
isn't Shallya in WHFB the daughter of nurgle, who he keeps locked in a cage?

No, Shallya is the daughter of Verena and Mórr.