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CMDante
08-10-2008, 10:40
Well its been a while since I posted anything, having been ill with bronchitis and run off my feet with work there hasn't been too much time to paint. That said, I've managed to work on a few pieces and am getting back into the mood for some serious painting again so I thought I'd get a little log going to keep me motivated.

So what have I been working on? Well, as usual I have a number of half finished projects on the go (some of which I'm considering trying to sell or trade on as I'm getting tired of them looking at me expectantly!). Currently on the workbench are some SM scouts (well, scout, only one test has been converted up so far), a converted abbadon (still needs some conversion work), and the only finished thing so far, the free AOBR ork nob from WD.

Anyway, enough rambling, here's some pics:

Scout conversion (posted before)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Scouts/IMG_0976.jpg

With some paint
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Scouts/IMG_1002.jpg

more in next post....

CMDante
08-10-2008, 10:40
Ork Nob from WD
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/WD%20Ork%20Nob/IMG_0996.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/WD%20Ork%20Nob/IMG_0997.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/WD%20Ork%20Nob/IMG_0998.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/WD%20Ork%20Nob/IMG_0999.jpg

I'm pretty pleased with the way the ork turned out, first time I've painted an ork since 1998-1999 so it was a nice changed from human skin tones.

It was also a first time painting yellow, not to mention doing trompe d'oeil and I think it came out alright (better on the shoulder pads than the chest armour). Being an ork I wanted to keep things nice and rusty and dinged up, even working in a few nicks on the leather straps of his webbing (harder to make out on the back cause of the sheen from the lights).

Due to being in a rush to finish this, there are a few areas I think could use more work, mainly the trousers and the wrist straps. I need to work on my photography too since the pics kill much of the highlighting and blending on the skin and the eyepatch strap.

I'm most pleased with the face and the rust and yellow on the pistol. I tried to go for a weathered, old tough hided nob using catachan green as a base, followed by devlan mud wash then rehighlight with catachan and then blended up through various juices of catachan and dheneb stone mix (using a wet pallet). Since the eye patch had the potential to lose the face as a focal point I tried to do a bit more with the one visible eye by making it red with a black pupil and doting the white reflection in. Not sure its entirely visible in the pics though.

All in all, I quite enjoyed the change up painting an ork provided and might dig out my Avatars of War orc warboss for a second effort at greenskins.

Anyway, let me know what you think. Afterall, this thread isn't going to provide the motivation intended without some input from you lot on what could be improved!

Cheers,

Dante

OnnO
08-10-2008, 10:50
Very nice work, both on the scout and the Ork.

Question:
What did you use for the scope on the bolter, is that part of a lasgun?
I'd love to see how you make those.

Keep it up, I'm happy to see some of your work on WS again.

CMDante
08-10-2008, 11:09
Cheers mate.

The bolter was made using a scout sniper rifle and a regular marine bolter, the cuts are quite clear from the pic (the bolter was a lighter plastic). For the scope i just shortened the scope from the sniper rifle so it fit on the bolter, took a little GS just to tidy up the join.

The main part is being very careful with the cuts, you need to leave the majority of the sight attached to the sniper arm and rifle stock but cut away everything beneath so the bolter goes in snugg. If that makes any sense?!

Cheers,

Dante

OnnO
08-10-2008, 11:32
Thanks for the info, I see now what you did.
Very nice, I'll be keeping an eye on this.

Shadowphrakt
08-10-2008, 16:14
That scout looks sweet Dante, really loving the bolter...now all it needs is a silencer :)

The Ork also looks really good :) glad i voted for it

spikyjames
08-10-2008, 17:18
Great start mate, i'll be making sure i pop in every now and then to see what you've been up to.

looking forward to seeing the scout finished.

does this mean you'll be doing a whole army now then?

James

synapse
08-10-2008, 17:42
i like the weathering on the ork, very nice

CMDante
09-10-2008, 12:44
@ Shadowphrakt - cheers mate, yeah I had contemplated giving it a silencer when I was making it but the sniper rifle one looked a bit silly (too big). Having seen Telions its certainly something I'll consider. Also considering changing the scheme to make him Ultra's like my existing scout squad.

@ Spikyjames - I'm hoping to keep this one updated fairly regularly (work permitting!) so hopefully there'll be plenty to come back for! As for an army......hmmmm I wouldn't bet on it!

@ Synapse - Cheers mate, can't beat Bad Moons for a great opportunity for weathering. How are yours coming?


Recently I've been inspired by Migsula and his Necromunda warbands so I'm thinking of doing something similar. One "good" warband; inq, henchmen and some guard attachments etc, and one "bad" with blood pact guardsmen.

Keeping things small on numbers will allow for lots of funky conversions, once I've amassed the bits needed I'll post more pics.

Cheers,

Dante

Cheers,

Dante

Mr Feral
09-10-2008, 13:26
Nice work all round!

The Scout is looking pretty good, I like the conversion and the paint job so far.

The Ork is sweet, the contrast between the vibrant yellow and the black and white used for decorations is superb, and I think you've nailed the Ork skin on the head too. :)



Recently I've been inspired by Migsula and his Necromunda warbands so I'm thinking of doing something similar. One "good" warband; inq, henchmen and some guard attachments etc, and one "bad" with blood pact guardsmen.

I'd love to see that, I'm pretty inspired by Migsula's work too. Blood Pact rule! :evilgrin:

Mulrak
09-10-2008, 13:34
Great work on your Ork! I love the rustic, dirty feel to it and at the same time the superb painting and highlights.
I paint both my Ork(Orc) armies in the same way. They can look superb while at the same time look like they are ORKS! I understand why people love to paint and make everything clean and clear, but to me an Ork is an Ork. They grab what coloring they can and slap it on thier armor and weapons and go to WAR!

You have have done both and all, awesome work and keep it up.

Mulrak,
Warboss of the Black Boot Clan

CMDante
09-10-2008, 22:01
Cheers fella's, I know not everyone likes their orks that dark skinned but I like to try and keep some realism in all my models (even giant, green, space fairing, half man/half hog type things!) and I'm glad two more people agree!

@ Mr Feral - I think Migsula's models are some of the best examples I've seen of 40k's gothic atmosphere and really convey the artwork in model form in my eyes.

The blood pact are going to be nice and detailed with lots of little bits of sculpt work I think. I'm aiming to try and recreate both of the following in terms of look and feel:

http://www.blacklibrary.com/images/bloodpact.jpg
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/9/96/BloodPact.jpg

I intend to start knocking together the first trooper tomorrow so hopefully I'll have some pics by Saturday.

Cheers,

Dante

Mulrak
10-10-2008, 04:53
Im subscribed to your work, keep it up and show us pics when you get them.

Mulrak,
Warboss of the Black Boot Clan

The Occult
10-10-2008, 04:57
Is this thread over now that you've posted some chaos? :)

Anyways, looks fantastic. I especially like the ork.
Cheers!

CMDante
11-10-2008, 13:19
Update time!

I started work this morning on the first test blood pact trooper for my "bad" necromunda gang. Here are the pics:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1003.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1004.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1005.jpg

Very WIP at the moment but hopefully you can see where its going. The head will have a grotesque mask sculpted on it, hooked nose and all, just like the illustration above.

The left hand will be holding a nasty looking knfie, again a bit like the image above, while the right hand will be sculpted to be cradling the rifle (which will have the eagle removed! Only just added it for pose purposes) in one hand. I also plan on adding a chain round the neck with some severed hands (again like the image) and maybe some webbing and various trinkets for details. I've lengthened the legs a little as I don't like how squat and stocky the current guard plastics are.

With the pose, I'm going for a menacing stride forward, searching for the next victim type look, does it work? Obviously lots of work still to do yet but I wanted to get some thoughts on the pose and general feel. Any input for details to add would be great too.

Also ideas for the rest of the gang would be nice, at the moment im thinking 4 or 5 troopers like this, a sgt type and then some sort of specialist types. No idea what to do for those though. Probably some kind of sorcerror? Ideas welcome!

Let me know what you think.

Cheers,

Dante

Mr Feral
11-10-2008, 16:56
Yeah, I rather like that!

The shaved-down chest plate is rather good, I might just have to borrow that idea actually. :)

I'm assuming it's all IG, Ghoul and Flagellant parts and some plasticard then?

CMDante
11-10-2008, 17:17
Yeah, I shaved the chest plate down as he was looking a bit too "cadian" even with the eagle removed. Borrow away!

Yeah, the parts break down is:

Catachan legs with plastic rod spacers
Cadian torso, shaved down
Cadian shoulder pad (carefully carved out from a grenade launcher arm)
Flagellant arms
Ghoul head (shaved down for mask to be sculpted on later)

Cheers,

Dante

malika
11-10-2008, 17:25
We need more =][=munda! One of the reasons I started scratchbuilding weapons (http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=162684) was the whole =][=munda thing! :D

Monsterzonk
11-10-2008, 19:05
The Ork is great! Lovely weathering. And the conversions are really cool, especially the Blood Pact warrior. I'm watching in anticipation.

Cheers,
Monsterzonk :skull:

Sinny
11-10-2008, 21:23
Really like the Ork nob but he needs more colours on his arms/skin, especially on the veins imo but everything else is impecible.

CMDante
12-10-2008, 12:29
Well, as promised, heres some new pics of the early stages of sculpting work:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1006.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1008.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1010.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1012.jpg


More in next post.....

CMDante
12-10-2008, 12:30
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1013.jpg

So far I've begun to work on filling out the gaps in the clothing. I've GS'd over the cadian torso belt trying to keep the clothing flowing. Still needs some tidying up and will get a "wash" with watered down milliput to smooth the joins where it meets the plastic. I've also started the hand on the lasgun, still needs tidied up a little but its getting there. On the back I've left the strap down the spine but it needs tidied up a little round the edges too to make it look natural, most of this will be covered by a backpack anyway though.

Only filled out one leg so far and it too needs a little tidying (see a theme developing here?! I did say it was early stages!). With the heads, I've done up two different ones, both will have the same style grotesque though, at the moment I'm building the basic shapes before the detail goes on, still lots to do here. The flagellants heads will be great for this project but it bugs me they dont have eyes.

Do you think the lasgun needs a strap over the shoulder or does it look ok as is?

Anyway, let me know what you think folks.

Cheers,

Dante

Shadowphrakt
12-10-2008, 12:33
Lovely sculpting mate, it looks top-notch.

CMDante
12-10-2008, 18:00
Cheers mate, done a bit more now so hopefully more pics soon.

Cheers,

Dante

CMDante
12-10-2008, 23:44
Here's a few pics of where I'm at with him now. As you can see I added a strap (needs a little tidy up once the GS dries) and stuck the shoulder pad on too. The hand got a little more work and is almost there now. Also added some rips to the trousers similar to the image and did a little more work on the face, adding an ear and working more on the nose etc.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1020.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1014.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1015.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1016.jpg

More in next post...

CMDante
12-10-2008, 23:46
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1017.jpg

Anyway, let me know how you think its progressing.

Cheers,

Dante

MrP
13-10-2008, 00:27
That's some superlative work, man!

Dictator
13-10-2008, 01:02
BLood Pact. Awesome.
Great sculpting and use of references!!

Mr Feral
13-10-2008, 09:34
Excellent work, this is getting more and more exciting!

T_55
13-10-2008, 09:42
Fan bloody tastic. I can't wait to see this Blood Pact trooper (fan of their fluff) done, looking great at the moment.

Monsterzonk
13-10-2008, 13:49
Great sculpting! Very smooth and natural. This is getting better every day...

heinrichvoncarstein
13-10-2008, 14:36
excellent....

CMDante
13-10-2008, 20:11
Thanks for your support fella's. More pics soon, next step is to do more on the head and finish off the detail work on the body and legs. Any ideas for other details to add? Want it to look natural and not over the top, bit like the artwork.

Cheers,

Dante

Monsterzonk
13-10-2008, 20:14
I wouldn't add too much more detail, to be honest. Some pouches for ammo, some grenades, a backpack maybe and that's it. Keep it simple.

Cheers,
Monsterzonk :skull:

CMDante
14-10-2008, 16:19
I plan on adding pouches etc as you mention. I also plan on adding a small chain with severred hands (like the image I'm taking inspiration from) and a khorne icon to the, as yet unattached left shoulder pad. Aside from this I think most of the detail will come out in the painting.

I've been purchasing some source books lately for inspiration and came across one called "The Imperial Munitorum Manual", the description I read made it sound pretty interesting but I want to know if anyone who has a copy, or has had a good look through one, would recommend it?

I found a copy for about Ģ7 so what do you reckon? Just bought the "The Inquisition" book too so looking forward to that.

More soon!

Cheers,

Dante

CMDante
14-10-2008, 22:56
Ok, as promised here are the latest set of pics. Quite small updates but it was mainly a case of fine tuning what was already there.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1021.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1024.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1027.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1025.jpg


More in next post...

CMDante
14-10-2008, 22:59
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1026.jpg

To explain whats changed, I've added some rivets to the right shoulder pad, the khorne logo and shoulder pad to the left arm, altered the knife handle a bit (needs tidying once GS dries) and gave the nose a little tidy up.

How does the khorne logo look? Also, should I add an ear to the left hand side of the head or just give it a SM style headset piece?

Cheers,

Dante

Monsterzonk
15-10-2008, 09:56
Looking good! The Khorne symbol is great. And I'd add some headset piece to this guy, since that would enhance their elite status some more, IMO.

Cheers,
Monsterzonk :skull:

CMDante
15-10-2008, 18:56
Thanks. Still not 100% sure about what to do with the ear, I'll have a play about with it some more tonight.

Cheers,

Dante

tinfoil
15-10-2008, 21:45
Impressive detail work with the greenstuff. Your lines and surfaces are so clean!
edit: Is the Imperial Munitorium Manuel the one that's primer size (i.e., only a little bigger than a mass-market paperback, though hard cover)? If so, that might not offer a lot in the way of inspiration. IRRC, the illustrations are simple line drawings, very basic. Nothing like the larger "campaign" style books (e.g., the one on the Black Crusade; another on the Sabbat Crusade...), which have large, full-color illustrations.

baphomael
15-10-2008, 23:45
Very nice work on the bloodpact so far.

As for the cadian chest. Inspired. Its so simple, yet it changes the entire 'feeling' of the torso. In fact, its so simple I can scarcely believe I havnt thought of the same thing myself, let alone seen it before. I'll have to give it a go myself.

sheep
16-10-2008, 12:32
Fantastic, the first true blood pact conversion for 28mm that i've seen, and its perfect :)

Don't forget the scars on the skin and faces where they ritually cut themselves on their leaders armour.

And I think you should do the SM comm thingy, or a mass of scar tissue, like its been hacked off in a fight.

Cheers

Sheep

CMDante
16-10-2008, 18:43
Cheers guys.

@ baphomael - I'm glad you agree, objective accomplished! It really does make a remarkable difference to the look. Glad I've inspired someone else to give it a go too.

@ sheep - cheers mate. I think I'm going to paint most scars on, though I might try sculpting a few larger ones here and there. Need to experiment with how I'll do them though as I've never sculpted any before.

I decided to do the SM comm thing using a BFG turret trimmed down and some GS. Will post pics later.

@ tinfoil - yes thats the one, do you have a copy? I'm not worried about it being line drawings, I just like extra info.

Cheers,

Dante

Coolhand
16-10-2008, 20:33
Really nice work, excellent conversion. Go with the ear not the comm piece.

synapse
16-10-2008, 21:00
i love the filed down chest - in hindsight its what i should have done on my own imperial army troopers. :(

Lu&Pu
16-10-2008, 23:01
Since I am a loyal soldier of the holy Emperor I have to abhor your work (on this great conversion/partially selfsculpt) but just from the modelling and your sculpting skills (modelling a hand is somewhat to difficult for me...) it is awesome, will try to keep watching this.

CMDante
16-10-2008, 23:37
Thanks guys. He's gradually inching closer to being ready for paint. I'm in two minds over whether to sculpt the severred hands on chain. mainly as I'm not confident doing the chain. anyone know any good tutorials?

Cheers,

Dante

malika
17-10-2008, 06:47
There was some talk about sculpting chains on this thread (http://trollsforge.proboards83.com/index.cgi?board=wip&action=display&thread=121) over at the Troll Forged forum (great place to be if you sculpt stuff), maybe that can help you out?

tinfoil
17-10-2008, 16:10
@ tinfoil - yes thats the one, do you have a copy? I'm not worried about it being line drawings, I just like extra info.


Sorry, no. The information it offered was fairly basic. You'd probably pick up a few bits and pieces of information, but nothing like comprehensive specs for given gear.

CMDante
17-10-2008, 22:58
I've been looking at buying some 27 link per inch chain or some 0.2mm chain, anyone know which would be most appropriate for chain round his neck like in the image (no idea of scale from pics available).

Is the sabbat campaign book still available?

Cheers,

Dante

CMDante
18-10-2008, 16:04
Ok, update time!

I've done some work on pretty much every part of the model since the last set of pics. I've begun creating his backpack along with a comm system for his head. Here's the pics:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1029.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1030.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1032.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1033.jpg

More....

CMDante
18-10-2008, 16:04
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1034.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1035.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1036.jpg

The white stuff on him is a watered down milliput wash to smooth the areas where GS meets plastic and also to fill in any small marks in the GS. While it might look thick and rough in the pics it is actually a really fine layer, I literally applied it like a wash by mixing a small amount of milliput with water on a pallette and then applying with the brush.

The backpack is early days yet, the canister on top still needs alot of work and I'm not 100% sure about the open pack look yet, opinions?

All in all he's about 80% done now. Just need to add some buckles to the backpack straps and smooth them down a bit and do a little work on the back of the head and the strap holding the mask on. Really looking forward to painting him!

Anyway, as usual let me know what you think.

Cheers,

Dante

ikim
18-10-2008, 20:08
There must be something wrong with the rating function: 4 stars?!?!?!? for CMDante?!?!?! for this blog?!?!?!

As usual, your work is truly amazing: the sculpts are superb, and the level of detail make the miniature as if they were 54mm scale.

Keep it up.


cheers

Lord Cook
18-10-2008, 23:24
That model is well on the way towards being the finest 40k conversion I've ever seen. It just needs finishing! Absolutely superb work. It portrays the Blood Pact perfectly.

sheep
19-10-2008, 01:50
Looks great mate, and the unbuckled pack looks fine. Is that a boom mike in front of his mouth?

Cheers

Sheep

CMDante
19-10-2008, 10:28
Thanks guys.

@ikim - cheers mate, was getting a little down about it only being 4 stars! :) I'm really pleased about your comments on the "54mm look" as this is exactly what I'm aiming for.

@ Lord Cook - Thanks! BTW, the mini in your avatar, do you have any larger pics? It's a fantastic conversion and has caught my eye before.

@ sheep - cheers mate, still not 100% on the pack myself so I'm doing up 2 so I have another option. The white tube is actually a cable plugged into the mask beneath the chin. Just to add a little extra detail really!

Cheers,

Dante

Monsterzonk
19-10-2008, 11:25
Great work again, Dante! I love all the extra details on him. And I must agree with ikim: 5 stars!

Cheers,
Monsterzonk :skull:

CMDante
19-10-2008, 11:43
Thanks for all the kind comments gents (and any lady lurkers?).

Some pics with the model tacked together to get a proper idea of how he'll look.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1040.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1041.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1042.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1043.jpg

CMDante
19-10-2008, 11:44
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1045.jpg

Still not sure which backpack to go with. I think I might take the canister from the other one and put it on top of this one, what do you reckon?

Painting should hopefully begin this week, really looking forward to it, might even start converting up the next one too. I was thinking maybe crouched holding an IG corpse, ideas welcome!

Cheers,

Dante

Catferret
19-10-2008, 11:48
Yeah, take the canister and add it to the one with more kit. Adds a lot to the veteran feel.

MINI0N
19-10-2008, 12:10
absolutely superb, i;m really lovin the look and feel of this guy after reading all the gaunts novlels multiple times i can say this is the most accurate conversion i have seen can't wait until he's fully painted and finished. and i think the 55mm is one of the best models i have seen in quite a while. im really not a fan of the second bag, the first one seems to fit him much better.

dookie
19-10-2008, 12:10
that is just stunning dude. I love it.

I would do what you think is right with the backback, too much could overpack the model.

CMDante
19-10-2008, 12:15
@ MINION - cheers, its comments like this that are really gratifying for me to hear as, like yourself, I'm a huge fan of the books and worked hard to faithfully recreate both the descriptions and the image I posted at the beginning of this log.

@ dookie - I think your right, there is so much I'd love to add to him still to make him as detailed as the illustration but I think on this small a scale it does start to get a little too much. Still pondering on whether or not to add the chain with hands....

Cheers,

Dante

JFSebastien
19-10-2008, 14:09
Hey CMDante, big fan of your work. I love to see understated conversions that really capture the original concept. You've avoided the usual pitfall of Bloodpact models (big, crude mask on red painted cadian...) and really come through with such clean and crisp sculpting. I would say keep the first backpack. It's more compact and has better detailing than the spade one that is just alittle too large and crudely sculpted. As for the hands, maybe keep them off the front for fear of cluttering and ruin your good works. Theres a space on the left hand side of his belt ammo pounches that could fit a severed hand nicely...

JFSebastien

Lord Cook
19-10-2008, 17:07
@ Lord Cook - Thanks! BTW, the mini in your avatar, do you have any larger pics? It's a fantastic conversion and has caught my eye before.

Just because you asked so nicely...

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q44/LordCook9/Ashcroft002.jpg

I think your trooper is superb, but, when are we going to see the other hundred or so for an army? ;)

malika
19-10-2008, 17:12
Luckily he isn't going to be build an entire army, it's for =][=munda. Check the modelling blogs on Dakkadakka for more on that! ;)

CMDante
19-10-2008, 18:06
Malika is correct, forunately I'm not doing an entire army (could be a new millenia before thats done!). Probably only be doing another 5-10 tops and then some specialists to accompany them. Think sniper, sorcerror, torturer etc...

Cheers,

Dante

malika
19-10-2008, 18:12
What about some abhumans joining the Blood Pact? You might be interested in some of the ab-humans we came up with for the Anargo Sector Project which you can find here (http://anargo-sector.net/community/index.php/topic,163.0.html). Some are familiar (Ogryns and Ratlings which are now way nastier) and some we made up ourselves, but it might be cool to include one of your team. :)

tinfoil
19-10-2008, 19:22
Great job! (On the trooper, I should add.) The face/mask works really well.
Now that armor looks so clean and pristine, though. Perhaps you might nick it up here and there, to create some battle damage effects?

CMDante
19-10-2008, 19:55
Yep, already started doing that, alot more damage will be done with trompe d' oeil.

Does anyone know where I can purchase 28mm ww2 german helmets from? Preferrably UK. I plan to convert some death korps esque helmets for other troopers.

Cheers,

Dante

malika
19-10-2008, 20:04
I thought you were a GW purist? Well if you need German styled helmets you might want to look at the stuff by Darkson Designs' AE-WWII (www.darksondesigns.com) German range, they were gasmasks though.

CMDante
19-10-2008, 20:34
I am, but death korps are too expensive to butcher for the helmets! Isn't there anywhere that sells just the helmets?

Cheers,

Dante

escobar
20-10-2008, 07:46
try westwind secrets of the third reich - wwii german helmets with gas masks - lots of people using these about the place

hemogoblin
20-10-2008, 11:46
surely with your GS skills you could sculpt a suitable helmet. its not like you are going to mass produce them for an army. is it?
great stuff so far. making me very tempted to give a blood pact conversion a go!

CMDante
20-10-2008, 18:46
No, not mass producing them but anything to speed the process along even slightly is welcome. At least if I had a pre-made base I would spend less time having to wait on the various stages required to make that base myself.

Honestly, it has been tremendous fun, give it a go, I'm just glad to have inspired!

Cheers,

Dante

CMDante
25-10-2008, 13:45
Now for more of what everyone really wants to see, pics!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1046.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1047.jpg

Early stages of painting. The face is about 50% done, though obviously the mask is just undercoated. The fatigues have been based and a quick bit of shading, still lots to do on them yet but you can get a rough idea of the colour. I'm liking how he's shaping up so far. Even did a few painted on scars on the face on the side of his head (right hand above the ear and left hand above the eye) opinions on these are welcome as its my first efforts at painting on scars.

More throughout the day!

Cheers,

Dante

CMDante
25-10-2008, 15:41
Done a bit more work on him:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1048.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1049.jpg

Did a bit of photo editing on the second pick as you cant really make out much of the highlighting and shading on the fatigues in the first. They're now pretty much done though so next step is the armour and mask, then boots and straps and then onto the arms and backpack!

More pics soon.

Cheers,

Dante

mr.silly
25-10-2008, 16:26
wow, beautiful modeling and painting. One suggestion, maybe try painting the skin closest to the grotesque bruised-purplish, as if it was clamped on painfully.

Solun Decius
25-10-2008, 17:32
That is simply an awesome conversion and such detail on a small scale.
Very smooth finish all round, which is just as well, as you've put such thought and effort into it.
Very much looking forward to your next update!

Monsterzonk
26-10-2008, 09:19
:eek:

Man, I'd rate this with 10 stars, if that was possible... Your Green Stuff work blends in with the plastic components really well. Your painting is top notch so far. I really like the brownish red you've chosen. Works far better than those bright red uniforms you usually see on Traitor Guard...

Cheers,
Monsterzonk :skull:

sheep
26-10-2008, 12:15
Looks brilliant mate, really coming along, and can't wait to see it finished :D

Cheers

Sheep

DonKarst0n
26-10-2008, 13:15
Oh man this is just so awesome.

He is perfect. If there was a set of heads of the same quality like yours and I will start building a Blood Pact force right away.

CMDante
26-10-2008, 13:41
@Monsterzonk - :D thanks alot mate, means alot and thanks for your continuing comments.

@Sheep - cheers mate, not sure if I commented on your latest update in your log (will later if I havent) but those nids look awesome, especially in the army shots, such detail on such a scale....something I'll never manage! When are you going to get back to those lovely guard models you showed a while back?

@ DonKarst0n - Thanks, I wish I had the means to cast some, would make the next couple of troopers alot easier!

More WIP of painting before I go out.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1051.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1052.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1053.jpg

I hope I'm not boring you all with so many pics after very small stages of work but I really just want to chart my progress throughout this project pictorially, as much as to remind me of how I did particular areas for future models as to act as a guide for anyone else inspired to try creating some blood pact.

Since the last set of pics I've done some work on the belts and on the mask and a little weathering on the armour (which still needs lots of work!). The metals are far from done, just based really. The pics aren't great(really something I need to work on) as the highlights and shading have been almost completely washed out but you get the idea.

Cheers,

Dante

Monsterzonk
26-10-2008, 13:50
Man, it's just getting better and better. I really like his eyes - very evil... Can't wait to see an entire squad of them finished! Keep them coming!

Cheers,
Monsterzonk :skull:

DonKarst0n
26-10-2008, 16:10
You are boring us in no way.
This is like a step by step.
How did you paint his uniform? Did you use washes on it and then highlighted the whole thing?

Death Korp
26-10-2008, 16:34
If only i had the skills...

These are the best chaos guardsmen i have seen. Probably better then the FW ones, which are hard to beat IMHO.

DK

CMDante
26-10-2008, 17:29
Thanks chaps.

@Don - The uniform was painted using p3 sanguine base. This was then shaded using a mix of midnight blue (gw) and p3 sanguine pase applied like a wash in 2 thin coats and then painted into the deeper recesses.

The uniform was then highlighted back up using sanguine base and then a mix of dheneb stone and sanguine base in 2 stages.

More soon, almost finished with the main body now, going to start the base soon and then finish the boots and stick him on. Then its a case of doing the arms and backpack.

Cheers,
Dante

CMDante
27-10-2008, 13:43
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1055.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1059.jpg

Couple of quick shots of the base. I think its pretty much done, just needs a little tiny bit of moss and obviously the mini stuck on properly (just attached through his feet pins at the moment, hence the gaps).

Still need to do the boots on the trooper but the rest of the body is pretty much done, maybe need to do a little more of the grenade but waiting to see how the backpack would affect shading etc. You also get a better view of one of the painted on scars in the pics here.

As usual, comments welcome!

Cheers,

Dante

Shadowphrakt
27-10-2008, 14:55
Nice work SMDante - he looks really well done just now.

rcal13
27-10-2008, 17:39
hay a thought on the chain is to use scale chain or a fine necklace chain

Mr Feral
27-10-2008, 21:13
The black armour and grotesque came out really well especially. :D

It's certainly meeting my expectations, and they were pretty high to begin with. ;)

Khorghan
27-10-2008, 22:07
Its looking really nice, if i were you though, iwouldent bother with the moss.

sheep
28-10-2008, 07:51
The painted scars look brilliant, as does the las hole in the skull, its the details that make a model such as this, and you;re adding them in spades. Any porgress on the other warband/gang members?

Cheers

Sheep

Monsterzonk
28-10-2008, 08:31
Lovely painting, Dante! I gotta agree with the others: the scars look ace! The battle damage is convincing too. Looking forward to the next update!
Oh, yeah, some grass or moss on the base would really be cool, since it would break up the quite uniform colour scheme (which is cool, don't get me wrong!) without disturbing it, I think.

Cheers,
Monsterzonk :skull:

Dictator
28-10-2008, 15:19
Looking very good. The mask on him is excellent~

CMDante
28-10-2008, 23:36
Thanks guys, glad the mask is proving popular as it was vital to get the whole look right.

@sheep - I have a huge numnber of ideas for the other members and I'm still hoarding together bits and pieces to use on them. One will be holding/crouched over a dead guardsman, bloodied knife in hand, one will have some kind of heavy stubber, one will be tossing a stick bomb, couple firing lasrifles and the sgt/lt will look suitably mean. Attached specialists will include dark mechanicus, sorcerror and mutant techno gladiator type thing.

The inquisitor rulebook artwork is proving a huge inspiration. Anyone wishing to help out on this project by contributing bits through trades please check my trade thread (sigged).

Cheers,

Dante

Khorghan
29-10-2008, 01:04
Oh, yeah, some grass or moss on the base would really be cool, since it would break up the quite uniform colour scheme (which is cool, don't get me wrong!) without disturbing it, I think.

BUT it will ruin the urban theme he has going on with his bases.

Solun Decius
29-10-2008, 01:19
This is a nice miniature. The mask is very impressive and the paintjob, while subtle, is very smooth and very effective. Are you painting the hands and gear seperately at the same time or are they left entirely?
I love how much effort you're putting into a single 28mm miniature :)

CMDante
29-10-2008, 09:04
@ Khorgan - You have a point, I'm trying to think of something that would stick with the theme but add a little more visual interest to the base at the same time. Maybe some burning parchment/poster etc? Or is it fine as is?

@Solun Decius - Cheers mate. The arms and gear are being painted entirely seperately. Colour continuity isn't a problem though, got plenty mixed on my wet pallette. This way it allows me to reach all the details easily. Currently I'm working on the knife bearing arm at the moment. Finished the troopers boots now so the main body is complete, pics later in the day.

Cheers,

Dante

Still learning
29-10-2008, 09:08
simply incredible

CMDante
29-10-2008, 16:18
Picture update time!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1064.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1063.jpg

WIP shot with the arms on and base finished (for now anyway!).

The knife arm is about half done. The fatigues are pretty much there as is the shoulder pad but the skin still needs highlighting/shading, the knife needs done and so does the wristband.

Not sure you can see it in the pics (angle isnt right, will try to get better shot later) but I put alot of work into the highlighting and shading on the shoulderpad using a variety of glazes with vallejo dark grey and black mixes to shade the steel and charadon granite to shade the gold/bronze. Pretty pleased with how its shaping up now, gradually inching closer to the finish line! Will need to start converting up the next ones so I have something else to paint when I'm done....

Comments welcome.

Cheers,

Dante

Monsterzonk
29-10-2008, 16:33
Simply awesome. Nothing more to say.

Solun Decius
29-10-2008, 16:39
Again, very nice!
Can't wait to see it finished.

The boyz
29-10-2008, 16:58
Very nice indeed, CMDante. I like the dark red look of his fatigues. I like the way the skin look's already.The pale skin tone make's him look ill, but in a good way.

Mr. Trash
29-10-2008, 18:13
Very very very nice. Also very good conversion work. And a nice paint job.

MINI0N
29-10-2008, 19:11
lookin really nice, the mask is very well detailed, the gun army looks a bit aqward im not sure y it will brobsbly look better when painted. so far its lookin nice good choose of color on the skin and good red blending for the fabric. cant wait to see the rest of your little gang.

CMDante
29-10-2008, 19:13
More WIP pics

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1065.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1066.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1067.jpg

The knife arm is now finished and attached and the body is attached to the base. Now beginning work on the rifle arm and the backpack.

As an aside, I picked up MIG Pigments "concrete" today and gave it a quick test on parts of the base, just a thin wash mixed with water but they're pretty nice, think I'll get a couple of the rust ones etc once my DVD guide on how to use them arrives!

Cheers,

Dante

Ash
29-10-2008, 19:40
Gorgeous.
Is this a one off, or are you planning on making a whole unit?

Shadowphrakt
29-10-2008, 19:43
I agree with Ash, thats gorgeous.

CMDante
29-10-2008, 21:25
Thanks guys.

I'm planning at least 5 blood pact and a few specialists (sorcerror, loxatl etc) for an =I=munda warband.

Cheers,

Dante

Ash
29-10-2008, 22:40
If you do that many, to this standard, then somewhere there's a Golden Daemon with your name on it.

DonKarst0n
29-10-2008, 23:20
I can only second Ash there.
I will be an outstanding unit.

Oh, sent you a PM btw.

Shadowphrakt
29-10-2008, 23:28
If you do that many, to this standard, then somewhere there's a Golden Daemon with your name on it.

Well, CMDante's already got a Griffon, so A Daemon is the next step!

I think this screams Necromunda Gang at me...It should be very, very good once its finished.

CMDante
29-10-2008, 23:38
Cheers fella's, its certainly something I'm aiming for. Perhaps I'll enter these next year if I finish a whole squad.

@Don - sent you a pm back mate.

Cheers,

Dante

sheep
30-10-2008, 06:00
Looks brilliant mate, esp the metals.

I'd love to know what you make of the pigments, i've heard mixed reviews and i'd like to know if they were just using them wrong.

Oh and i can't wait to see you take on the Loaxtl(sp?)

Cheers

Sheep

CMDante
30-10-2008, 22:58
I think the pigments are great, I've only just begun experimenting with them (only have concrete at the moment) but they are very versatile. I'd recommend getting the night vision dvd MIG sell (got mine off ebay), it explains alot.

I'll post pics of my results this weekend.

Cheers,

Dante

mr.silly
31-10-2008, 02:37
How do you use the wet palatte? Ive only ever heard it mentioned, and it seems to be a thing a lot of advanced painters use.

Khorghan
31-10-2008, 04:18
google search it bud, ive seen TONS of tuts.
pretty much you need a sealable plastic container, paper towel and parchment paper, you cut all the paper to fit the container and place wet paper towel under the parchment paper in the container and use the parchment to mix paints on, the paints are kept wet from the moist paper towel beneath it.

CMDante
31-10-2008, 19:52
I made my wet pallette from a plastic tub, a washing up sponge and grease proof paper, simply wet the sponge, squeeze it a little so its damp but not soaking then cut the grease proof paper to fit the tub over the top (the bigger the area the less you'll have to change paper, consider this when choosing your tub). Soak the grease proof paper with a little water and then its a simple case of putting some paint on and get painting!

I find it useful as it allows for more usage time with mixes as they dont dry out (keeps for a few days at least, though some colours dry quicker than others), it also makes "juicing" alot easier. I certainly noticed an improvement in my painting since I started using one.

Cheers,

Dante

mr.silly
31-10-2008, 20:42
ok, thanks for the help. Ill definately try it out.

CMDante
02-11-2008, 20:40
Ok, been a bit quiet round here so lets get some new pics to get things buzzing again!

Finished the other arm now so just the pack to do. Also had a play about with some MIG pigments "concrete" on the base, boots and trousers.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1070.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1071.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1072.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1073.jpg

CMDante
02-11-2008, 20:41
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1074.jpg

Anyway, pics aren't great as usual but you get the idea. As usual, comments welcome!

Cheers,

Dante

DonKarst0n
02-11-2008, 22:05
Just finished reading 'Only in Death' and have to say: This guy looks like he is worthy to walk in upper 16.

For those who haven't read the book. This guy looks like a proper Blood Pact trooper has to look like. Absolutely stunning work.

Lu&Pu
02-11-2008, 22:33
This one is kick-ass, truely awesome and as DonKarst0n said he really suits the background and fluff described in the Gaunts Ghosts Novels.

Will you make more of them? Nice imagination of a full squad or even more of them, isnīt it?

Lord Cook
03-11-2008, 03:43
See that guy to me is far more frightening and representative of Chaos than any daemon. Perfection.

sheep
03-11-2008, 03:57
Looks fantastic, proper blood pact and the deep red of the fatigues is superb. The base, boots and trousers really benefited from the powder application.

What did you use as a fixing/mixing agent?

Cheers

Sheep

Still learning
03-11-2008, 06:29
wow, thats amazing. I'm not a fan of the mask. Its alittle comical if you ask me.

OnnO
03-11-2008, 09:04
Brilliant from the start and execution is A+.
This is a topmodel and with ease the best Bloodpact I've seen sofar.

Can't wait for more.

malika
03-11-2008, 09:38
Lets hope this thread here will be able to inspire some =I=munda madness over here as well... :D

Trukson
03-11-2008, 11:44
Lets hope this thread here will be able to inspire some =I=munda madness over here as well... :D

With risk of being a thread-jacker (no one likes those), but i just recently even heard of =I=munda (after seeing Migsulas fantastic work around here on Warseer) and a quick search on the net gave no officiall rules (frankly i didnt expect any) and a bunch of different "home-made" sites.....Is there any kind of "standard =I=munda place" where everybody hangs out where i can have a look at the rules?

+++Thread-jacking over (Malika started it!), back on Topic, the Bloodpact trooper is made of pure awesome! Are you planning on building further on it after =I=munda? (Combat Patrol maybe?)

malika
03-11-2008, 11:53
There are no official rules for the game. However, it's mostly based on Necromunda but with more (and crazier) wargear, units and so on. RPG elements and stuff could be included as well.

There is also no centralised version of the game, meaning that everybody kind of uses their own rules, which to me is a bit frustrating. However, over at DakkaDakka we started a thread revolving the gaming and such of =I=munda which you can find here (http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/221028.page).

Personally I would love to see the "=I=munda virus" also come over here, but for the sakes of practicality and respect (towards Migsula's wishes and DakkaDakka) it might be better if those who are interested in =I=munda simply come there and join in the discussions and such. :)

Hmm, sorry for the thread-jacking. Can't wait to see you do a Loxatl by the way!

CMDante
03-11-2008, 19:45
Cheers for the comments folks, really keep me motivated to do more and better myself.

To answer a few questions:

@Donkarst0n - Cheers mate, comments like that make it all worth while.

@Lu&Pu - yep, more are in the works, pics when theres something to show!

@Lord Cook - ta mate!

@Sheep - I thought so too!: ). Not used any fixative or anything yet, will need to get some MIG fixer and apply it on once he's done. At the moment its just brushed on and worked in, a few thin washes too.

@Still learning - not sure I see what you mean about the mask, doesn't look comical to me? I based it exactly on the illustration (with a few changes to the piping only). Care to further why it looks comical?

@Onno - Cheers mate, glad to hear it!

@Malika - Hopefully! I like viewing other peoples efforts in turning the artwork into 3d form.

@Trukson - No immediate plans to go any further than a squad max, so much converting and painting effort is going into each one as I aim to do them to a GD level that I simply don't have the time to do much past that.

@Malika (again! ; ) ) - I'm looking forward to doing one to be honest, thoughts on parts to base on are welcome! I can see there being alot of sculpting involved!

Cheers,

Dante

CMDante
03-11-2008, 19:48
Also, just read that the next Gaunts Ghost book is about a Blood Pact assassin team....ring any bells?!

Mr Feral
03-11-2008, 20:50
Well the finished product is just darn brilliant. I might have to give the black armour a try on some of my renegades sometime. :)

malika
03-11-2008, 21:40
I remember a pic of one over at DakkaDakka which was heavily based on the genestealer models.

These are from the German Lexicanum:
http://wh40k.lexicanum.de/mediawiki/images/8/80/LOAXATL_2.JPG
http://wh40k.lexicanum.de/mediawiki/images/5/56/LOAXATL.JPG

malika
03-11-2008, 21:41
http://www.freewebs.com/pfreck/bloodpactgallery.html

Something went wrong with the post... :S

But yeah, Genestealer parts and perhaps also some Lizardmen bits!

CMDante
04-11-2008, 09:45
Yep I remember seeing those, I think I'll need to have a root through my bits box and see what could work. I'll return with ideas shortly!

Cheers,

Dante

glenning
04-11-2008, 10:31
Great trooper you have there, I can't wait to see more!

Dark Apostle
04-11-2008, 11:07
Fantastic sculpting work, great painting. A really inspiring miniature. I'd love to see some more!

T_55
04-11-2008, 11:52
Great to see this still progressing. How did you paint the skin?

Monsterzonk
04-11-2008, 12:26
And once again I'm lost for words... That Blood Pact warrior is absolutely stunning! I'm so looking forward to the next one! And I'm looking forward to see them in WD under "UK Slayer Sword Winner 2009"... ;)
Keep them coming!

CMDante
04-11-2008, 22:53
Cheers guys!

@T_55 - skin was painted using dheneb stone, shaded with dheneb/charadon ganite mixes and highlighted using dheneb/p3 menoth white mix with final highlights of menoth white then a quick thinned wash of baal red. Sounds alot but was really quick since the highlights and shades are juices and therefore dry very quickly.

I got a FW enginseer today, probably one of the best sculpts I've ever held. One thing bugged me though, it seemed very small scale compared to a regular GW 28-30mm mini. Even the, annoyingly moulded onto the feet, base seems a few mm's smaller than a true 28mm base, its probably more like 24mm at best. Anyone else noticed this or have I just gotten some weird shrunken cast?

Cheers,

Dante

MagnoliaFan
05-11-2008, 08:29
The model is freekin awsome! can't wait to see more.
And I also think the engeneer model is too small, maby its because resin shrinks a bit while cooling down?

CMDante
05-11-2008, 14:03
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1085.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1086.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1087.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1088.jpg

At long last, the first test trooper is done! Well near enough anyway, might go back and do a little more on some areas of the backpack (pic of which is terrible I'm afraid, so washed out and I couldn't get the lighting right on the quick pic I took). I plumped for doing the canister a chipped yellow colour with a little "toxic" icon warning on it.

I'm not sure what to do next, another trooper or a loxatl. While this trooper was fun, the urge for something a little different makes me lean towards a loxatl. That said, the loxatl would involve A LOT of sculpting so maybe I should make a start on it and another trooper?

Anyway, let me know what you think.

Cheers,

Dante

tinfoil
05-11-2008, 14:38
So vivid and characterful! Very well crafted. The stuff of nightmares.

I guess I'd vote loaxtl as well -- just because I'm so curious to see what you'd do with the challenge.

Raellos
05-11-2008, 14:56
Spiders would be a good start rather than nid limbs, I imagine.

But please, for the good of the people, get hold of someone to cast those downright scary heads up! Many would pay a mint for those!

DonKarst0n
05-11-2008, 17:16
Awe-some-ness!

And please do moar troopers. The more the merrier.
And regarding casting: It is not that difficult to find a caster but Dante would have to sculpt greens as using GW parts would let their fury come down on him. And producing greens is time consuming and tedious. I fully agree on the impact they would cause though.

(well this is some great piece of English literature from me :eyebrows:... sorry for that)

CMDante
05-11-2008, 18:59
Thanks chaps.

@ tinfoil - After a quick look through my bits boxes I couldn't really find anything that I thought would make a good base for one so I'll need to give it some more thought.

@ Raellos - DonKarst0n has informed me of someone who could cast some stuff up but as he says, I would need to sculpt the heads entirely from scratch in order to be able to sell them on. Maybe once I'm further on with this project I'll give it a go.

@ DonKarst0n - ask and ye shall receive!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1090.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1091.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1092.jpg

Number 2 is underway. The plan for him is either a chainaxe or to put a lasgun in his hands with a bayonet on the end. At the moment I'm liking the axe idea more.

Obviously he's just tacked together at the moment and the head and arms have literally just been clipped off an not cleaned up yet. Not sure whether to use the head in the pic or one with a mask that I had started doing when I started the first mini. Opinions welcome!

Cheers,

Dante

Monsterzonk
05-11-2008, 19:25
Awesome! Great pose! I'd also go for the chain axe....
Well, actually I don't know what else I could say. I'm stunned.

Cheers,
Monsterzonk :skull:

DonKarst0n
05-11-2008, 20:17
Axe! He needs an axe. Or a trench club.
In 'Only in Death' Blood Pact storm troopers have an iron nail on their boots so they are able to climb walls more easily.
If I remember correctly.
Well I can't imagine why they should be storm troopers still if they stuck in a wall but maybe you can give him clawed boots?

Idaan
05-11-2008, 22:05
Great sculpting! Renegade Guard is something that doesn't get much attention, and your execution is flawless.

About the second trooper, how about combining the two ideas and giving him a lasgun with an axe-like battle appendage? Something like an axe-head mounted just below the flash-suppressor, not unlike the Necron Warrior's blade.

sheep
06-11-2008, 04:55
The finished tropper looks brilliant, even if the photos aren't the best, the wear and tear on the spade just adds so much character.

I've got a suggestion for the next guy, have the mask hanging around his neck, it gives you another opportunity to show the motion of the model, and the head looks very fitting, and would be a shame to cover up the scars and emotion of the face.

But you can do what ever you want :D Just show us so we can oh and ah.

Cheers

Sheep

Dark Apostle
06-11-2008, 07:53
Is there anything you can't use the empire flagellants for? :)
I second Sheeps sugestion - leave his face bare, with the mask hanging from its straps.
As for his weapon I must say a chainaxe sound wicked. Or maybe some makeshift weapon, made out of some factory gear, or a big, rusty blade? Anything goes, as long as it looks brutal...

CMDante
06-11-2008, 19:15
Cheers fellas.

The axe/lasgun debate is settled, axe wins!

As for the mask, I'm still undecided. While using the head in the pic would be handy, sculpting the mask seperate from the face would mean a lot more work as I'd have to do the inside too. I think I'll sculpt the mask face too as an alternative and see how it turns out.

As for the flagellant kit, it truly is a highly versatile kit, the heads are some of the most detailed and perfect scale-wise only problem is they have no eyeballs. The arms and hands are also a good scale too.

Cheers,

Dante

Mr Feral
06-11-2008, 19:43
If this second trooper captures the atmosphere of being a renegade as well as the first one did, we're all in for another Chaotic treat. :)

Vepr
06-11-2008, 20:15
Looks like I have to add another person to my long list of bastiches with an obscene over abundance of talent. ;)

Great model. I am very much looking forward to seeing a whole squad. :)

MF3000
07-11-2008, 04:58
Lovely pose! So dramatic - cannot wait to see this latest addition!

sj

korova
07-11-2008, 11:44
hep hep bin lurking around this page for ages now.really nice stuff and im making a ig army traitors myself but not the green wizard as you are so im using the sotr heads for my duds. nice stuff keep it comming !!!!

Airborne XO
09-11-2008, 09:43
So many amazing ideas I intend to shamelessly steal, will be watching this very closely. Subscribes, muttering about renegades....

You sir, are a star!

Cheers, Hal

CMDante
09-11-2008, 12:21
Thanks for the kind words folks!

@MrFeral - I'm beginning to think he'll look even better than the first, the first was a bit of a testing ground for ideas so expect even more badass, chaotic madness for this chainaxe wielding loon!

@Vepr - Thank you, I really wouldn't consider myself that talented, especially when I look at alot of the GD winners, its all just a matter of patience, practice and perseverance. That and the willingness to cut perfectly good models to pieces to try new things! The main reason for all the chopping is to get the proportions realistic on the guardsmen, they're either a) a little squat and stocky(cadians) or b) overly muscled and badly misproportioned (catachans).

@MF3000 - Cheers mate. How is your Stirland army coming?

@Korova - SOTR heads? What are those?

@Airborne XO - Thank you kind sir! Steal away, there is no better compliment than to inspire others! The basic conversions here are as applicable to loyalist guard as they are to traitors!

Cheers,

Dante

Catferret
09-11-2008, 12:26
SOTR = Secrets of the Third Reich. It's a Weird War 2 thingy I think.

Decide on what 2nd trooper's weapon was going to be in the end?

CMDante
09-11-2008, 13:57
Yep, I decided chainaxe for this one as it requires a little less cutting and repositioning. Rest assured there will be one or two with autoguns etc to keep a chaotic mix of weaponary in the squad though! : )

I had looked at the SOTR german heads actually to try and base helmets on (had hoped they had empty german helmets so I could convert some chaotic krieg-esque lids for my BP troopers) but they didn't have what I was after. Also being a bit of a GW purist I'm trying to keep these as either GW parts of scratch built so they would be eligable for painting comps etc.

More pics coming soon. I've begun to fill the gaps in the clothing and work a bit more on a mask on one head and sculpt some eyes in the other flagellant head (pictured).

Cheers,

Dante

CMDante
09-11-2008, 22:33
Some new pics to show my progress:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1093.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1095.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1097.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1099.jpg

Still cant decide between the two heads, obviously the one with the mask is still very WIP. The other head has had an eye sculpted (that I'm very proud of too, eye and eyelid!) as the flagellant heads while incredible lack proper eyes which annoys me as I think eyes are important in making models look real.

The fatigues are also still very WIP and need a bit more filling out but I've begun to define the major folds etc.

I've also started scratch building a chainaxe head (due to not having chainaxes to hand and relishing the challenge). So hopefully more pics over the coming days.

As usual, comments and questions welcome.

Cheers,

Dante

Khorghan
09-11-2008, 22:44
I like the head without the mask and the idea of a mask hanging around his neck or something.

Animerik
10-11-2008, 01:30
I love this stuff mate! The BP is one of those things I always wanted to do. Now itīs even better one of my favorite painter/converter is doing it ;)

The first BP dude looks good but the second has all that dynamic posing I love and the idea with the flaggy head with the mask hanging around his neck gets my vote as well. Keep it up as I would love to see more

T_55
10-11-2008, 01:38
Nice work on the greenstuff. The mask is fantastic.

MF3000
10-11-2008, 03:31
@ Dante - the Stirlanders are still chugging along, I've not been able to work on much, but a Kingdom of Ind character is in my mind... as with few other Empire related projects. For now though, final exams!

sj

sheep
10-11-2008, 04:44
Make the other eye bionic, or put a big scar across it, that way you only have to sculpt one :D They look great btw, your GS skills are amazing, the mask is immaculate.

Cheers

Sheep

Dictator
10-11-2008, 04:57
Wow. Awesome looking blood pact. How many do you have planned?

Monsterzonk
10-11-2008, 11:45
The second guy's coming along nicely, Dante! I, too, like the idea of the dangling mask, but on the other hand I actually have difficulties imagining a Blood Pact warrior not wearing his mask. After all, the masks are somehow part of their wicked cult belief, so they'd probably always wear it in combat...
Which ever way you choose, I'm sure it'll turn out great!

Cheers,
Monsterzonk :skull:

malika
10-11-2008, 12:01
Wouldn't it be possible to make a mask that looks as if it screams?

DonKarst0n
10-11-2008, 15:49
Or an 'evil grin' mask?

CMDante
10-11-2008, 19:12
Cheers guys.

@ Animerik - Ta mate! Glad you like the work so far. When do we get to see more of your greenstuffing skills?

@T_55 - Thanks, still plenty to do on it before its done though!

@Sheep - Yeah the other eye has a big scar over it already so I was considering leaving it empty socket but it might look a bit crappy and the first eye was quite fun to sculpt anyway!

@Dictator - Probably about 5-7 or so, depends how many I can get done before GD next year! Got to factor in some specialists too...

@Monsterzonk - Yeah I had thought the same, at the same time, the cool 54mm French GD winning blood pact troop has his mask off and looks suitably wicked too...
I think it'd get a bit samey if they all had masks on too. Might try mixing things up with some visor like masks too.

@Malika - It might be.... : P. Don't worry I'll try to make them all a little different!

@DonKarst0n - See above. My only worry about grins is that they might end up a little too smiley and not evil enough.

Cheers,

Dante

DonKarst0n
10-11-2008, 19:29
Yeah to put up a proper evil grin without looking like a clown is surely a hard thing to accomplish. But I think once you are wearing an iron mask the latter is more hardly to achieve.

CMDante
12-11-2008, 19:08
Woah, 4th page already! Ok, time for some new pictures:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1100.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1103.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1104.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1106.jpg

CMDante
12-11-2008, 19:09
And last but not least...my little cache of weapons from ebay and warseer's Catferret:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1107.jpg

I've done some more work on the clothing to make the folds etc, still need to do the belt and work more on the sides of the torso and back.

I've also worked a bit on the axe head, not sure about it though, think it might be a little too big at the moment though and will probably shorten it a bit before I finish. It will have a motor added at the bottom at the back too.

The collection of weapons will come in handy for equiping the troopers with an eclectic mix of patterns and weapon types to fit with how they are armed in the Gaunts Ghosts novels. The pistols are particularly nice and the details on all of the weapons (except the FW ones, they are badly cast and detailed, basically bolters with lasgun barrels!) are exceptional.

Comments welcome as usual, particularly on the axehead.

Cheers,

Dante

Mr. Trash
12-11-2008, 19:26
I've only got one word for your work man...AWESOME

It look realy cool! Keep it up!

Dictator
12-11-2008, 22:16
I would love to have all those guns for my guard. Damn you.
I love the chain axe BTW

Still learning
13-11-2008, 04:16
it would look awsome if was running with some peice of scrap metal that he had somehow shapped into a weapon. I might give alittle low tech appearance but I think it would add heaps of character. Keep up the good work. I love this thread.

One question, how do you get the greenstuff to mould so smoothly to the plastic.

CMDante
13-11-2008, 06:47
Thanks guys. I've made the axe head a little smaller to make it more realistic.

To get the greenstuff to mould smoothly I work the areas it meets the plastic while the gs is still soft. Then once its dry I give all the joins a milliput wash to fill the tiny seam that is usually left. Repeat this as necessary until the join is seamless.

Cheers,

Dante

Still learning
13-11-2008, 07:13
Ah, milliput thinned with acetate, why didn't I think of that... Thats genius. I use it all the time to fill plasticard jionts.

CMDante
13-11-2008, 07:27
Thinned with water actually, alot less fuss than using acetate and does the same job!

Catferret
13-11-2008, 12:13
Damn you having so many of the M16 autoguns! :p

I've got precious few left now or I would have sent you some of them too.

Dark Apostle
13-11-2008, 17:52
I love that axe!

Toyship
13-11-2008, 17:53
I'vee been watching this for a while, and I have to say I love the work you are doing. I was messing around on Deviantart last night and found this guy's work, should be inspirational...if you haven't seen it already that is:
http://kombat-unit.deviantart.com/art/kombat-unit-Urdeshi-armor-Ref-89348862

http://kombat-unit.deviantart.com/art/Khornes-bloodthirstiest-92844285

I would really like to see the German style helmets that you talked about, and that are prevalent in this artwork. I also thought that you could use the wide-brimmed steel helmet from the Brettonian men at arms sprue for some variation. Looking great though, you've converted a new follower of Khorne:evilgrin:.

CMDante
13-11-2008, 23:33
Thanks for the comments guys.

@ Catferret - Only 5 really (suppose that is alot these days though!) it wasn't cheap getting the big lot off ebay either! The pistols you were kind enough to include are fantastic, love the escher style one, its so crisp and detailed!

@ Dark Apostle - I've made the axe head a little smaller since that pic was taken in order to make it more realistically scaled. Still need to add a little motor and some exhausts to the back of it and probably a few other little details for details sake!

@ Toyship - Thanks for commenting. Malika had alerted me to those images before, while they are very good they are a little too much like regular german infantry. While the krieg style helmets would probably make the ones I do give helmets a bit like that too, I want to keep it quite unique in appearance. For this reason I will probably avoid the Bret helmet too, lots of them going about already in blood pact conversions.

I've been eyeing up the FW krieg quartermaster and commissar models as possible bases for converting a leader for my blood pact group from. I like the bone armour on the QM and think it would be very fitting. Ultimately I need to see the mini in the flesh and guage whether it would be worth cutting it apart to do.

Also, I recently found 2 more cool images relating to the blood pact, apparently from the Sabbat Worlds Crusade book (which I'm desperately trying to get hold of, if you have one going drop me a PM!)

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e353/dvdhwk/SoSInspiration.jpg
http://wh40k.lexicanum.de/mediawiki/images/thumb/9/9a/Sek.JPG/180px-Sek.JPG

The first is actually remarkably close in pose and armament to the first mini I did. The second is of Anakwanar Sek.

Cheers,

Dante

Industrial Propaganda
13-11-2008, 23:40
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e353/dvdhwk/SoSInspiration.jpg
http://wh40k.lexicanum.de/mediawiki/images/thumb/9/9a/Sek.JPG/180px-Sek.JPG

The first is actually remarkably close in pose and armament to the first mini I did. The second is of Anakwanar Sek.

Cheers,

Dante

Well.... The first picture isn't a Blood Pact warrior. It's a Son of Sek. From the horde of Anakwanar Sek "who's voice drowns out all others" (the second pic). Like the Blood Pact, the Sons of Sek were to be formed around the structure of the Imperial Guard.

They are rivals of Urlock Gaur and his Blood Pact horde.

Toyship
14-11-2008, 00:59
@ Toyship - Thanks for commenting. Malika had alerted me to those images before, while they are very good they are a little too much like regular german infantry. While the krieg style helmets would probably make the ones I do give helmets a bit like that too, I want to keep it quite unique in appearance. For this reason I will probably avoid the Bret helmet too, lots of them going about already in blood pact conversions.

I've been eyeing up the FW krieg quartermaster and commissar models as possible bases for converting a leader for my blood pact group from. I like the bone armour on the QM and think it would be very fitting. Ultimately I need to see the mini in the flesh and guage whether it would be worth cutting it apart to do.

Well, im glad you saw them at least! The FW quartermaster would be pretty cool, possibly with a Renegade Taskmaster head? I think that the skull would be perfect, but as you said you would need to see it first hand.

The art you posted looks great, I especially like the first fellow!

sheep
14-11-2008, 03:09
Fantastic stuff mate, the deatil is impressive in its obseesive qualities ;) I'm really impressed by the fact that you will not just accept something once its done just for eases sake, going back and re doing the axe may seem frivilous to some but it will make a mini you are much happier with and untimately thats all you really have to do.

Going off the Krieg Vs Cadian scale issue, i don't think that the QM would fit in very well with out massive amounts of work on your part. The cadians are just too bulky to blend well with him.

On the helmet issue, have you tried 1/35th or 1/48th scale german infantry kits, they are relitively inexpensive, esp if you just get the equipment set, and it'll come with potato mashers too :D

Cheers

Sheep

CMDante
14-11-2008, 18:24
Well.... The first picture isn't a Blood Pact warrior. It's a Son of Sek. From the horde of Anakwanar Sek "who's voice drowns out all others" (the second pic). Like the Blood Pact, the Sons of Sek were to be formed around the structure of the Imperial Guard.

They are rivals of Urlock Gaur and his Blood Pact horde.

Yep, thats why I said "related to Blood Pact". While it is a Son of Sek, the illustration has clearly been massively influenced by the existing blood pact illustration and in general the blood pact imagery. Afterall, the SOS are based on the blood pact in the stories anyway.

@ Toyship - Yeah, with regards the FW renegades, I'm really trying to avoid involving anything that is quite commonly seen in renegade guard conversions so I'll probably try to steer clear of using too much from that range, some bits will no doubt make it in though where appropriate, theyre just too cool not to!:D

@ Sheep - Cheers mate, what can I say, I am obsessional over details. I really feel they are what make mini's unique and seperate the great from the average. Everyone has seen a cadian before, no matter how well painted, but not everyone has seen a cadian butchered to the point of being unrecognisable as one and turned into something entirely different. It's for this very reason that I loved your cadian armoured company when I first saw them and the truescale marine you did.

As for the FW debate, good point, I had forgot about the dramatic scale differences. I don't think I'll be too keen to butcher the QM model to make him the same size as the current blood pact I've done, would be as well sculpting my own from scratch for the amount of effort it would take....don't even tempt me! :p

Know any providers of german helmets in 1:48?

Cheers,

Dante

@ Sheep -

razormasticator
14-11-2008, 18:27
Dude, this log is brilliant. I love it. Very nice work here.

sheep
14-11-2008, 20:29
A quick google came up with these.

1:48 german infantry (http://www.tamiya.com/english/products/32512g_infantry/index.htm)

Theres a few more in the 1:35 that are just all about equipment.

Hope this helps mate.

Cheers

Sheep

CMDante
14-11-2008, 21:43
@ razormasticator - Thanks for the kind words mate.

@ sheep - Any ideas which would be the better scale to go with on flagellant or ghoul heads? I'm thinking 1/48 may be a bit better?

More pics of the current status of the second trooper:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1113.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1110.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1111.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1112.jpg

The axe has been made noticeably smaller and more realistically scaled and I've got to say, I'm much happier with it now. It took alot of cutting and gluing to put it together, just to cut it apart again and make it smaller but I think it was worth it. The axe head isnt finished yet though. I still need to finish the top and the other side of the engine on the back of it, at the moment these areas are very WIP. The engine also needs the gaps filled at the joins where the plastic part from a marine chainsword meets the casing.

I've also settled on the bare flagellant head as quite simply I think it fits better with the pose. You can make out the work I've done in adding the eyes more clearly in this pic too.

The belt has been added since the last pics, complete with belt hoops and the top of the trousers. The shirt has also been completed right the way round the body.

I've also made a start on his base, pretty simple so far, just a few bricks made from carved sprue and some gravel and scatter.

Anyway, as usual comments, questions and constructive criticism welcome.

Cheers,

Dante

sheep
14-11-2008, 22:31
1:48 is you're best bet mate.

He's really starting to come together, the pose looks great, really great sense of motion and impending brutality.

Cheers

Sheep

Azrael666
14-11-2008, 23:54
Oh my god! these minis are awesome.

You going for demon next year???

Catferret
15-11-2008, 00:05
No messing with that axe! :eek:

Nice work, it looks great.

Acerbus
15-11-2008, 00:21
wow that's amazing, the greenstuff work is great!

Lord Cook
15-11-2008, 01:17
The level of detail is extraordinary...

CMDante
15-11-2008, 10:24
Thanks guys!

@ Azrael666 - I hope to yes, it will be the first golden demon I've entered and only my second to go to.

@ Catferret - Cheers mate, I think making it a bit smaller and more proportioned actually made it a little meaner looking too. Before it was a bit too big and comical, looked more like a glaive if anything. In the end my girlfriend talked me into making resizing it as originally I wasn't sure I could without messing it up. Glad I did though!

Looking forward to seeing more of your marauders for your Mordheim gang by the way!

@ Acerbus - Thanks!

@ Lord Cook - Comments like that make me really happy, I'm glad people notice all the little details that add to the realism IMO.

More soon. Just need to finish the axe head, do some work on the arms to make sure they fit ok, carve out some cadian shoulder pads and then its just the little details (which always take the longest!). I'm thinking of maybe doing the hands on a chain thing for round his neck and put the mask somewhere on his belt.

Cheers,

Dante

Monsterzonk
15-11-2008, 10:42
Lovely work, Dante! His trousers look so real, especially the area around the waistbelt. And the axe simply rocks!

Cheers,
Monsterzonk :skull:

Industrial Propaganda
15-11-2008, 14:46
This log is the most exciting project I have seen this year. =D

Keep going this amazing work.

Can I suggest you to make a squad of 8 troopers (the sacred number of Khorne).

Cheers.

synapse
15-11-2008, 15:57
jesus that running guy with the chain weapon look like hes 45mm!

great great great work on the conversion - the pose is spectacular and the work positioning the parts as well as the GS is top-notch very good stuff

Shadowphrakt
15-11-2008, 17:45
Very Nice CMDante, I like the feel of it alot. the chain weapon also looks like you've put a lot of hard work into it. Well done!

CMDante
15-11-2008, 22:36
@ Industrial Propaganda - Thanks mate, that comment means alot! I was trying to remember the number for khorne, thanks for reminding me, 8 troopers will probably be what I settle on, maybe with a the specialists as additions to this.

@ Synapse - I'm not sure what you mean? Do you think he's too big?

@ Shadowphrakt - Ta mate, hopefully you'll see them in the flesh sometime in the not too distant.

Anyway, I decided to give sculpting chain a try. Its my first ever attempt so go easy but I'm quite pleased with it. I'll add severed hands as the next stage:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1117.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1118.jpg

Also, I started making the body for a third trooper while I waited on things curing:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1119.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1120.jpg

This one will be coming down from a pile of rubble/stepping off of something while firing from the hip. Think I might try making a helmet for this one.

Cheers,

Dante

Arsenal
15-11-2008, 23:34
that chain is incredible. This is just a staggering log CMD. Amazing work.

Solun Decius
15-11-2008, 23:41
The chain is excellent. The miniature is for starters a great kit-bash and conversion. The pose is very ... uhm ... "fast" and natural ... and angry!
Apart from that all the stuff you've modeled yourself, belt, chain, torn knees, etc. and of course the chainaxe are top notch.
This log really is one of a kind, in regards to the way you're mixing kit-bash plastic cutting with green stuff work and the insane attention you give to every little detail, without it just being a sculpting log.

MF3000
16-11-2008, 02:11
It'll be cool if the third trooper has a lasrifle with an underslung grenade launcher; or a barrel launching grenade launcher (like, adding a little extra tubing thingy onto the barrel, with indentations). Just a little bit of extra detail will make him look extra, brutal...

sj

Catferret
16-11-2008, 02:32
While I like MF3000's suggestion of a UGL, I think it would be better on a 4th model rather than on the latest one. Launcher guy can be kneeling down behind a wall, looking over his shoulder while loading a grenade. ;)

Go on, you know you want to. :D

tcraigen
16-11-2008, 02:42
Looking good, your ability to give such a small figure so much life amazes me. The fabric movement is incredible and the fact that your fixing the eyes blows my mind hheheh

Khorghan
16-11-2008, 06:25
It'll be cool if the third trooper has a lasrifle with an underslung grenade launcher; or a barrel launching grenade launcher (like, adding a little extra tubing thingy onto the barrel, with indentations). Just a little bit of extra detail will make him look extra, brutal...

sj

Like the demo-expert of the group? I like it, but do what you want.

Coolhand
16-11-2008, 07:14
Great log, keep up the good work....Blood for the Blood God :evilgrin:

Tves
16-11-2008, 08:54
Sir, the level of GS sculpting skills you have is the envy of thousands.

The sculpting of the back on the axe murderer is superb and no other word than art begins to cover it.

Truely awe inspiring work, these are amongst the best loooking infantry in the GW hobby, bar none. Only if GW/FW would hire you to do a line for them, it would make the rest of us very happy (yet very poor) men.

What ever you do, don't stop.

Haarken
16-11-2008, 09:38
The Blood Pact are looking fantastic CMDante. Keep up the great work. :D

Haarken

lone dirty dog
16-11-2008, 16:16
Yes great work chain looks amazing, your posing is spot on loving your work and look forward to your updates.
I have to say it is unfair not only is your converting and sculpting skills top but your painting skills are Amazing aswell.

I think some one may have sold there soul to be this good all round, call me stupid but did you find that brown was better for sculpting the chain than GS and if so why ?

And more pics please need something new to lear and drool over

CMDante
16-11-2008, 17:52
Wow, lots of replies here! Thanks guys, as always it makes me want to keep doing more.

@ Arsenal - Thank you for the kind comments mate, wasn't sure I'd be up to the task at first as I'd never done it before so I was a bit nervous that I might spoil him.

@ Solun Decius - Cheers mate. I think the GW plastics are just full of amazing opportunities to make something a bit different that draws on all the characterful writing and imagery that GW and the Black Library produce. I'm not practiced enough at full sculpts anyway, but even then, there are just too many amazing bits and pieces out there already crying out to be used. My worktop is literally covered in plastic sprues from a myriad of kits (which I'm sure my girlfriend will angrily vouch!), largely cadian, empire, kroot, undead, BFG, catachan and chaos lord. I'm glad you like the movement in the mini as it is something I've tried hard to emphasise with the details.

@ MF3000 & Catferret - I had actually test posed him with a cadian grenade launcher but I really want to use one of the autoguns Catferret sent me so I figure he'll get one of those and another trooper can get the launcher. I like Cat's idea for the pose too so I'll see what I can come up with.

@ tcraigen - Thanks. To get the fabric movement I googled "soldiers running" to get some ideas to work from. As for the eyes, I'm sure I mentioned before but the flagellant heads are just so awesome but it bugged me they didn't have proper eyes as I find the eyes are a focal point of models, therefore I just had to add them. It wasn't too difficult either which was nice!

@ Khorgan - Yeah I suppose naturally groups have specialists in specific types of warcraft or equipment but I'm keen to not have them fall into the Hollywood movie type of specialist categories.

@ Coolhand - Indeed! :evilgrin:

@ Tves - Wow, thanks for the exceptionally kind comments. I would love to sculpt for GW or FW but I don't think I'm nearly talented enough for that I'm afraid. Don't worry, I don't intend on stopping this one until I have a whole squad done at least.

@ Haarken - Cheers mate, will do!:D

@ lone dirty dog - Lol, thanks mate, your too kind. As for the putty type, I've heard it said that brown stuff is better for sharp edges and mechanical parts. I've not noticed any huge difference while sculpting between the too but it does file into a sharp edge much better than GS. For the chain I think either would have been ok, just used brown because I had mixed up too much when fixing the engine on the axehead.

Will post more pics when I've done some more work on the two in progress.

Thanks again to everyone who has commented and contributed to this log so far. All of your comments, questions and ideas are so welcome.

Cheers,

Dante

Gonfrask
17-11-2008, 01:01
Whooooa, you are doing an amazing work with these models, It is sad that a so great work is also slowly, because if you want a whole army of those guys you need a lot of time.

Keep working!

DonKarst0n
17-11-2008, 16:25
Well not so much time if there were a set of Blood Pact heads to buy.:evilgrin:

Dante take all the time you need on your first squad. I think once finished they will set a new upper standard for all Blood Pact works. I hope your log will set off a wave of Blood Pact fanatism and get more players into Renegates rather than CSM.
Nothing against CSM but there are not enough good Renegade armies out there and your work will surely inspire a lot of people.

I hope this work will get the adequate praise on the next GD in which you have to enter this squad.... you have to.

Shield And Key
17-11-2008, 22:03
Aaaaaannnnd, subscribed.

Excellent work, Dante. Very imaginative...tasteful mix of bits and greenstuff.

I'm not familiar with the Blood Pact fluff, but I am really digging this thread. Can't wait to see more!

MINI0N
17-11-2008, 23:50
looking soo nice soooo nice, just finished only in death last week and im already reading it again. this second one is so dynamic his pose and is fantastic and your gs is looking quite wonderful. may i suggest that your next one have either a trench axe or some sort of improvised weapon as the blood pact do use a very wide assortment of random things for weapons.

lord marcus
18-11-2008, 00:15
Luckily he isn't going to be build an entire army, it's for =][=munda. Check the modelling blogs on Dakkadakka for more on that! ;)

=][=munda? is that a translation for inquisitor munda, like a merging of necromunda and inquisitor?

Barret
18-11-2008, 01:20
Those are some awesome Blood Pact! I may have missed this in the thread, but where are those heads from? Flaggelants?

Also, I'm insanely jealous of your weapons stash. I only managed to get one of those Necromunda sprues before bitz ordering stopped.

CMDante
18-11-2008, 09:36
Yep, its flagellant head on the second 2, the first one (painted) was a ghoul head cut down and resculpted.

Ebay is the place to get them now. Or exceptionally kind traders like Catferret!

Cheers,

Dante

CMDante
18-11-2008, 09:40
=][=munda? is that a translation for inquisitor munda, like a merging of necromunda and inquisitor?

It sure is, Migsula is the founder of this merger:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/208707.page

@ MINION - the next one will be armed with an autogun (need to have some non-CCW) and the one after that will probably have a grenade launcher ala Catferret's suggestion.

@ DonKarst0n - The idea of being able to make a little money off of a head collection on the side is becoming increasingly more appealing as I've had more than a few requests!

Cheers,

Dante

lone dirty dog
18-11-2008, 10:44
come on ....... you would make loads of money the heads are spot on.
Why the forge world had sacks on there head's the blood god only knows.....?.
I will continue to harass you till I break your will and you crumble to my demands for a set of dam fine heads.(I mean this in the nice's of ways mind)

I am sure there are plenty of under talented souls out there (as myself) just wishing for a set of heads to finish there unworthy blood pact.:chrome::skull::evilgrin:

malika
18-11-2008, 11:42
=][=munda? is that a translation for inquisitor munda, like a merging of necromunda and inquisitor?

CMDante has already answered your question. While that stuff is primarily happening on DakkaDakka I opened a thread about it on Warseer as well for those who do not want to skim between two forums for discussions on this project in the Necromunda section which you can check out here (http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=170818).

Shield And Key
18-11-2008, 15:30
Can't wait to see where else this goes, keep it up!

CMDante
18-11-2008, 19:04
@ lone dirty dog - lol, I'll get to it eventually mate!

@ Shield And Key - Thanks mate, I got one of the FW renegade mini's today and was happy to see it's about the same size as my blood pact mini's after their extensions. Only problem is the silly hood, if only I had a dremel!

More pics soon.

Cheers,

Dante

CMDante
19-11-2008, 10:11
Ok, slight update as promised.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1122.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1124.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1123.jpg

CMDante
19-11-2008, 10:13
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1127.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1126.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1128.jpg

Sadly work has been keeping me from getting much done on him. I've managed to hollow out a cadian shoulderpad for one arm, add some detail to the chainaxe and begin sculpting a severed hand on the chain. The hand still needs a little detail and tidying up as well as the chain loop through it holding it in place.

The axehead detail is pretty much there I think. I added a little ripcord (for starting the engine, like a chainsaw) and some riviting.

I've also included a comparison shot so you can see the difference the lengthening of legs/torso makes. Not massively taller but much better proportions if you ask me!

Finally, I did some more work on the other mask head definning the mouth of the mask. Also had to remove one of the eyes and start again as the putty hadn't cured right. It will have eyelids added in the next stage.

Cheers,

Dante

Mr Feral
19-11-2008, 10:59
Awesome work as usual CMDante, very inspiring stuff. :)

lone dirty dog
19-11-2008, 18:12
YES.......................... looking good once again putting us mere mortals to shame. Have to say the guard with helmet is your best work by far no only kidding, i have stole your idea and tried adding length to a miniature I was working on. It looks so much better know i have to scrap everything else i have ever done CHEERS. Just think sell some heads and you could buy yourself a dremel and rip those sacks of them blood pacts heads...


Just a bit of advice don't shop for Christmas presents for your love ones while reading this blog. Bought her a ring for Christmas and due to some kind of concentration laps I ordered the wrong size (what was I doing) had to phone up and ask what to do, got to send it back know.Hope it gets here in time for Christmas thanks again Sir CMDante's.... but still want those heads.

Dictator
19-11-2008, 21:30
@lone dirty dog
Beautiful Models have a tendency to mess up your sense of perception? eh... me too

The model is looking better and better. THe hand on the chain is great touch. I am really excited for the autogun wielding and grenade launcher wielding renegades.

Neknoh
19-11-2008, 22:38
Loving every bit of this log as normal

HOWEVER

There is something you've done about that Cadian in the comparison shot, have you taken a file to his chest or something? For I know there is something about him that has changed dramatically which actually makes me like it a LOT more than the current line of Cadians.

SpinningC
19-11-2008, 22:58
Brilliant GS work its so smooth and full of texture and the painting flawless mate. Abserlutly loving the depth you have in the metals. Will definatly be keeping an eye on this log.

Chris

CMDante
19-11-2008, 23:12
@ lone dirty dog - Really sorry to have caused a problem like that, I'm just glad you find my log so captivating! The extra length on the legs/torso makes such a difference doesn't it!

As for the heads, started sculpting a face from scratch (extra GS and waiting on other things curing) along with a helmeted head from the cadian head in the comparison pic redone to the point of being unrecognisable as cadian (all detail excluding the eyes removed or redone) so we'll see how those turn out.

@ Neknoh - Yes, I had a torso I had prepared for the third trooper to hand so just tacked it on for the comparison. The chest plates have been romeved and the surface filed down flat.

@ SpinningC - Thanks mate, I've been experimenting alot with metals lately as its something I really wanted to improve. Very thinned glazes or "juices" of dark grey are the key to the shading.

Cheers,

Dante

Gonfrask
20-11-2008, 00:03
Ok Dante...from now I hate you...

You are doing a great work with the mask and the reesculpted eyes

tcraigen
20-11-2008, 02:17
The pull cord on the chain axe is wicked. The work is looking great I think this is going to be a really sweet unit. The severed hand looks good on the chain.

Lord_Dante
20-11-2008, 12:25
Love the models. I'm going to try some at some point for a renegade army I want to do. I was going to have a mixture of blood pack, hands of sek, and vraks renegades.

Oh and for the person who asked why the Vraks renegade have sacks on their heads, it's due to the chemical warfare that was used when fighting the Death Korps. It's why they have rebreathers as well.

AtmanAbecedarian
20-11-2008, 15:00
Inspirational!
The psychotic chainaxer has to be one of the coolest mini conversions I've seen to date.
Keep it up Dante! I've got my eye on this thread.

lone dirty dog
20-11-2008, 20:12
Love the models. I'm going to try some at some point for a renegade army I want to do. I was going to have a mixture of blood pack, hands of sek, and vraks renegades.

Oh and for the person who asked why the Vraks renegade have sacks on their heads, it's due to the chemical warfare that was used when fighting the Death Korps. It's why they have rebreathers as well.

I did not actually mean why did they have sacks on there heads..... but the fact that most of the art work concerning blood pact were more to CMDante's models than the FW ones (or at least what I have seen).
But thanks for explaining why they do have sacks on there heads O and I do own a few sets of them myself. I don't dislike them I just think the ones on this blog was more to what I thought they should have looked like.

CMDante's: captivating! I have lost days watching your work dam you!!!!!! are you some kind of demon corrupting my mind...... please continue love your work..........

P. S. I don't play 40k or warhammer I just like the models REALY SORRY IF THESE UPSETS ANY ONE!.......

CMDante
20-11-2008, 20:31
A teeny-tiny pic update to keep you all going:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1129.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1132.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1131.jpg

The head in the first pic is the cadian head in the size comparison pic heavily modified. The chainaxe guy has had the severed hand finished and a hoop of chain through it to attach it to the chain. Finally, the FW renegade I recently purchased. Not really sure what to do with this one as I'm not sure it would fit with the rest. Really want to swap the head out but it requires a bit more thought I think!

And a future project along with the FW enginseer:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/CMDante/Blood%20Pact/IMG_1130.jpg

Cheers,

Dante

synapse
20-11-2008, 21:11
@ Synapse - I'm not sure what you mean? Do you think he's too big?

it was a big complement! though now ive looked at the repositioning closer - the way youre glued the torso to the hips and the way you extended the legs, - im sure hes bigger than 30mm.

not that im complaining or anything - hes a lot better proportioned this way.

CMDante
20-11-2008, 22:33
He's not actually much bigger than a standard cadian shock trooper if you look at the comparison pic I posted on the previous page to be honest.

Cheers,

Dante

AtmanAbecedarian
21-11-2008, 16:55
I think the FW renegade has potential. Perhaps consider giving him a special weapon? Flamer?
Just a thought. Can't wait to see what happens to that Commisar!

tinfoil
21-11-2008, 17:41
Can't wait to see what happens to that Commisar!
Yep, I had the same thought. CMDante + FW commissar? Sounds like the confluence of two magical possibilities.

CMDante
21-11-2008, 18:41
Lol, thanks guys you are too kind!

I'm really looking forward to painting some of this FW stuff up. I've gone from never owning any to having a renegade, an enginseer, a krieg commissar and the krieg quartermaster set!

I was thinking of doing something a bit different with the commissar, there are already plenty of stock versions that are very well painted out there. Being one who likes unique models I was thinking of doing something with the (currently) empty hand socket which normally holds the weapon. Not sure whether to tell you all now, or try it and get some thoughts on how it turns out....

What do people think of the helmeted head? The pics aren't the best for showing off how it looks but basically I have filed the helmet down to look like a WWII german infantry helm, in the style of the krieg mini's I've added an armoured stripe down the middle so its not a complete copy of real life. The face is early days at the moment, it really started as something I was just playing about with while waiting on other things curing. I cut all the detail away except the eyes and have started sculpting a visor mask (so they don't all look the same!) and also a mouth.

I'm not decided on the face yet though, I think I may need to lengthen it as its a little smaller than all the other heads I'm using.

More pics either tonight or tomorrow.

Cheers,

Dante

lone dirty dog
21-11-2008, 19:11
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What do people think of the helmeted head? The pics aren't the best for showing off how it looks but basically I have filed the helmet down to look like a WWII german infantry helm, in the style of the krieg mini's I've added an armoured stripe down the middle so its not a complete copy of real life. The face is early days at the moment, it really started as something I was just playing about with while waiting on other things curing. I cut all the detail away except the eyes and have started sculpting a visor mask (so they don't all look the same!) and also a mouth.

I'm not decided on the face yet though, I think I may need to lengthen it as its a little smaller than all the other heads I'm using.

More pics either tonight or tomorrow.
Hang on you used a standard IG miniature's head, filed it down to that shape dam your good.......

I like it but the mouth area is not to clear not sure if there is fangs or what there? if you had a larger pic might help... that was the only thing I could find to moan about....... so stick that lol .

Love the eye area that looks sweet I think it will come out looking great as everything you do always does..... by the way I am typing this sarcastically with a hint of jealousy......

Cant you just make something that looks a bit crappy just so I can feel a little better about my poor pathetic creations.

The hand turned out nice that is looking really good, the way you have done it gives the figure more look of movement.

Last but not least what body structure you going to use the helmet head on?.......

:D:cries::cries:

AtmanAbecedarian
21-11-2008, 19:13
The helemt looks great, definately has the WW2 look. The stripe is good, but if you're planning on using the head in your Blood Pact conversion I think a pair of horns around the region covering the wearers temples would fit the bill nicely.

As for the mask...
http://content7.flixster.com/question/37/50/00/3750001_std.jpg

You know it's sexy.

DonKarst0n
21-11-2008, 21:38
Well the helmet sure does look like a German steel helmet and thus stands for evilness... but how about taking this armoured middle stripe idea further?
Instead of adding a simple stripe you could do one in the style of a Corinthian helmet hair decoration but obviously instead of adding a hair decoration you coul take barbed wire or chaotic spikes.
Or you could take this head for an officer and add a old look to it. As saying has it the German steel helmet was heavily influenced by mediaeval sallet helmet.
So why not do the face mask/ grotesque as a visor to the helmet?

CMDante
21-11-2008, 22:02
Oooh, I like that idea, I had actually done something kind of like that in some sketches of masks I did as ideas, but you've reminded me to look at historical masks for more inspiration so thank you!

I've been working a little on my idea for the DKoK commissar tonight but I'm going to start a seperate thread for him and keep this one strictly blood pact. You can view this by following this link (http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3096256#post3096256).

Cheers,

Dante