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Horus84
09-10-2008, 18:31
Talking to my local manager today and he had just got back from his seaonal managers meeting at head office and knowing I am a lotr nut told me about the new expansion due to Lotr next year.

Basically it is going to be out around april 2009 and is all about playing massive games of Lotr and recreating all the really big battle that occured. Though rather than the game talking days to play you will be able to play 10,000 point games in around 4 hours!! He said they were not told much about it but essencially there will movement trays for it for different sized circle bases to move you models around and units would interact in a warmaster style fashion?.

That all he really new. Personally I can not wait

roll on april

Melchor
09-10-2008, 18:49
All I'm thinking is that they'd be great as 40k movement trays as well. ;)

Harry
09-10-2008, 19:18
Not enough holes for 40K. :D

Hermanesq
09-10-2008, 21:57
aye,

all these new bases will be 8 wide, and models are bought in units of that size.

Hero's will be uber, I mean proper heros, whilst armies will easily quadruple in size, so that your pushing blocks of uruk hai round in massive units. I cant wait, gonna be painting alot more stuff in the very near future. after i get my latest expansion out of the way.

HsojVvad
09-10-2008, 22:42
Why do we need this? Is it just to sell more minatures? Are people really asking for an Apocolypse type game for LotR?

This seems too much like Fatasy but I guess we have to give it a chance. They did a really good job so far in it, so it's wait and see.

Neknoh
09-10-2008, 23:32
We need it to actually be able to play the big battles we are promised by basically every display piece shown inside the three original books as well as the one book to rule them all. Have you even tried something the size of 2k? Warhammer can be played at huge points battle, it's balance that becomes an issue with magic, nothing else. Lotr however, when played at over 1k points, takes hours upon hours on end, 2k points and we're talking a day or two.

Harry
10-10-2008, 00:41
Why do we need this?
????

The Defence of Minas Tirith
The Fords of Isen
The Battle of the Hornburg
The battle of Mirkwood
The battle of Lothlorien
The Destruction of Isengarde
The Battle of the Morannon
Battle of Dale
Battle of Osgiliath
Battle of the Pelennor Fields

and the Battle of Bywater.

:D

Lord Malorne
10-10-2008, 00:45
Well I bet that months white dwarf will be good :rolleyes:.

Etienne de Beaugard
10-10-2008, 00:52
I'll be interested to see how this turns out. Will LotR morph into a true WHFB variant?

neXus6
10-10-2008, 02:24
Urgh and finally the last core system gets the apocalypse treatment.
Mind you if you already have or intend to have that many points worth of models it's fair enough. :)

Just the kinda "must have apocalypse/legendary/whatever" sized army drive gets a bit irritating at times. :p

As for movement trays...I use movement trays in 500pt games of LotR never mind 10,000pts. Mind you I am still trying to figure out how to stop these small games turning into 2 blocks walk at each other while shooting, then fight in the middle of the board for ages, games. :(

Pitalla Crimson
10-10-2008, 04:04
????

The Defence of Minas Tirith
The Fords of Isen
The Battle of the Hornburg
The battle of Mirkwood
The battle of Lothlorien
The Destruction of Isengarde
The Battle of the Morannon
Battle of Dale
Battle of Osgiliath
Battle of the Pelennor Fields

and the Battle of Bywater.

:D

Also do not forget about the Battle of the Camp;
This was when the easterlings where doing a massive invasion to gondor and they where attacked in their camp by King Ondoher in a last clash to end the war wich was succesful but at the price of the King and its heralds and only leaving Fíriel as the only heir wich is like the great grandmother of Aragorn.

BTW this is just wath We needed! Finnaly we will be able to play big epic games without having to spend hours and hours trying to achieve 6's!
Besides this will bring loads of new players.

Firstborn
10-10-2008, 08:05
Talking to my local manager today and he had just got back from his seaonal managers meeting at head office and knowing I am a lotr nut told me about the new expansion due to Lotr next year.

Basically it is going to be out around april 2009 and is all about playing massive games of Lotr and recreating all the really big battle that occured. Though rather than the game talking days to play you will be able to play 10,000 point games in around 4 hours!! He said they were not told much about it but essencially there will movement trays for it for different sized circle bases to move you models around and units would interact in a warmaster style fashion?.

That all he really new. Personally I can not wait

roll on april

So why not just play regular Warhammer?

Etienne de Beaugard
10-10-2008, 09:57
So why not just play regular Warhammer?

Good question. Thematically and miniatures wise, the answer is obvious. WHFB isn't Lord of the Rings (no matter how many races were inspired by Tolkien's works). Ruleswise, we won't know until the expansion is released.

Firstborn
10-10-2008, 10:02
But if the rules are simplified enough to allow for hundreds or thousands of figures, the likely output is WFB, or something similar. We already have a game system which does what a massive LoTR game does, so a better product would be something which allows you to use LoTR figures and armies with the WFB ruleset.

lorelorn
10-10-2008, 10:30
Myself, I've found the rules for this game scale up really well, unlike certain other systems where things fall apart very quickly once you go outside the default points setting.

What this means is that you can play as big a game as you like, as long as you're prepared for the reality that games with larger armies and more models will take longer to play.

Taking all day, or the week-end to play a massive game of Lord of the Rings is no bad thing.

yabbadabba
10-10-2008, 11:54
Damn.

Just run out of excuses not to paint my stupidly (and I do mean that) big LotR armies.

Simon Sez
10-10-2008, 13:21
This is no big surprise, players have had varying levels of success developing mega battle rules, and the Alamo supplement showed one way it could be done.

The Defence of Minas Tirith
The Fords of Isen
The Battle of the Hornburg
The Battle of Mirkwood
The Battle of Lothlorien
The Destruction of Isengarde
The Battle of the Morannon
Battle of Dale
Battle of Osgiliath
Battle of the Pelennor Fields
Battle of Bywater
the Battle of the Camp
Battle of Five Armies
Battle of Fornost
Eanurs victory over Haradrim/Khand alliance.
Siege of Barad-Dur
War between Sauron and the Elves
Battle of Azanulbizar
The Retaking of Moria
Sack of Dol Guldur
Field of Celebrant

Then there are the Games Workshop creations like the Siege of Karna or the Assault on Glamorgarth which were pretty important in their own right (Cementing Gondorian rule in Harad and securing a Harad strongpoint north of the Poros respectively)

Shadowheart
10-10-2008, 14:29
So long as it's just an optional expansion and they continue to provide regular-size scenarios for the larger battles, then what the hey.

I'm more interested in what new minis and/or army deals are going to be released alongside this thing.

Pitalla Crimson
10-10-2008, 17:51
Hope there also LE figures!
Havent seen those for quiet some time.

bringerofdecay
10-10-2008, 22:02
i'm looking forward to this, i love LoTR but our area is very much 40k, hopefully this'll give LoTR the boost it desperately needs :)

Hermanesq
11-10-2008, 21:01
One thing to bare in mind,

is that the other two ways to play *story mode and war mode* ;-) aernt going/being replaced by this new version. Just another glorious string to the bow that is the LOTR game.

End of the day, no GW assault teams are gonna bust into your gaming room and force you to play the new addition if you dont want to, honest, their really not...

*blue team, hold off... hold off....*


Chris

Templar Ben
11-10-2008, 21:42
I'll be interested to see how this turns out. Will LotR morph into a true WHFB variant?

I hope not. The current ruleset for LotR is far superior to WHFB.


But if the rules are simplified enough to allow for hundreds or thousands of figures, the likely output is WFB, or something similar. We already have a game system which does what a massive LoTR game does, so a better product would be something which allows you to use LoTR figures and armies with the WFB ruleset.

Actually a product for large games that used the current rules but allowed for faster resolution as an all/nothing result would be preferable to WHFB.


One thing to bare in mind,

is that the other two ways to play *story mode and war mode* ;-) aernt going/being replaced by this new version. Just another glorious string to the bow that is the LOTR game.

End of the day, no GW assault teams are gonna bust into your gaming room and force you to play the new addition if you dont want to, honest, their really not...

*blue team, hold off... hold off....*


Chris

I imagine it will be like Apocalypse where that is hardly ruling the day in 40K.

Hermanesq
11-10-2008, 22:28
Somewhere between Apoc and Warmaster ive been told is where its heading.

Roll on the release, I am really up for it, im expecting good things.

BigRob
12-10-2008, 07:34
So why not just play regular Warhammer?

Have you seen how cheap LOtR miniature are? If only warhammer was still that cheap....

Dux Ducis
12-10-2008, 09:08
I find it interesting that a game originally designed for small scale skirmish battles (and designed quite well) is turning into another WHFB, complete with movement trays and uber-heroes (which it always had).

I understand why they would be doing this (in fact I would comepletely support it) however the charm of LOTR is almost gone for me. It was a great gateway game for beginners into WHFB, but I forsee LOTR getting slimmed down and finally joining the specialist games selection in at least 5 years.

Simon Sez
12-10-2008, 09:29
IT IS NOT JOINING SPECIALISTS!

Could we please get that sentence as a sticky thread, and put an end to the doomsayers and stormcrows? LotR is and will ever after be one of the 3 main GW games.

Whenever Games Workshop gives this game something new there's a dreary bunch of sods that insist on seeing it as another nail in the coffin: Battle Companys, LoMe, this rumour. Expansions to make the game better at any scale! All just to feed their closet hate.

Dux Ducis
12-10-2008, 10:55
IT IS NOT JOINING SPECIALISTS!

Maybe you should calm down for a second there mate - I said it would probably be joining that division in at least another half decade - that's plenty of time for GW to get their money's worth out of the Hobbit movie and a few years more.

Simon Sez
12-10-2008, 13:12
But it won't, this has been confirmed numerous times from various big wigs. There is no "Milk the Hobbit and discard" plan. It. Is. Staying

mweaver
12-10-2008, 15:19
Not sure I will play the game, but as it potentially means some spiffy new models I enthusiastically cheer this news. Huzzah!

Firstborn
12-10-2008, 15:42
It. Is. Staying

Which is unfortunate, as it takes time away from their real game systems.

yabbadabba
12-10-2008, 16:27
Which is unfortunate, as it takes time away from their real game systems.

I thought this was a thread about LotR going Apocalyptic? Can you and others please refrain from bringing up something that has nothing to do with the topic please?

LuciusAR
12-10-2008, 16:59
Which is unfortunate, as it takes time away from their real game systems.

How precisely does this contribute to the discussion at hand? Nothing more than a pointless (not to mention groundless) cheap shot.

Anyhow back on topic. I think this is an interesting idea, LotR has always fallen apart over 1k, its not that it doesn't work, its just far to time consuming. Being able to do larger battles whilst keeping the streamlined LotR model of play can only be of benefit.

As to the 'why not just play WFB' argument, LotR has alway been far less reliant on OTT magic items, and legions of special rules than WFB. Even when scaled up the feel of play and strategies involved will be totally different. I have not doubt that this new expansion does come it out it will bear little or no resemblance to WFB.

Simon Sez
12-10-2008, 20:18
I've heard rumour that Fv will be treated as a pseudo-initiativve, does anyone know what effects this might have on combats, more specifically rolling to win, shielding and 2-handed weapons?

Bael
12-10-2008, 23:40
Really happy they are doing this- it's what I expected LoME to be.

Bregalad
16-10-2008, 01:15
Don't think this will work.
LOTR is the last affordable introductory game for kids. They don't have the money or motivation to build Apocalypse big armies. On the contrary, this could keep them from starting this game, if it gets too expensive.

HsojVvad
16-10-2008, 01:18
The thing is you don't have to do Apoclypse game if you don't want to.

Joewrightgm
16-10-2008, 01:30
Sweet. I really like this news; but they've already done most of the 'apocalyptic' sized units, like the Balrog, Sauron, Etc.

HOLY CRAP! BRAIN WAVE! Siege of Barad-Dur!

Go big or go home, name of the game baby . . .

orks2134
16-10-2008, 02:59
This is excellent news! The funny part is, the LOTR gamers at my local shop are led by a couple of complete gamer-cheese wonkers, and they will find a way to ruin any amount of fun this will bring to LOTR!



Originally Posted by Bregalad

Don't think this will work.
LotR is the last affordable introductory game for kids. They don't have the money or motivation to build Apocalypse big armies. On the contrary, this could keep them from starting this game, if it gets too expensive.

In my area, kids don't play LotR. It's all the veterans, the old guys.

40K is the little kids game, around here, and many of them have Apocalypse armies that would crush most people.

Guess I live in an affluent part of the world.

orks2134
16-10-2008, 03:02
tried to delete this ...

Raellos
16-10-2008, 08:09
The thing is you don't have to do Apoclypse game if you don't want to.

Bah! That's what they all say! But you just can't help yourself....

azraelezekiel
16-10-2008, 11:29
Why not just play BOTFA?
WM in the Tolkien universe with improved rules.
Oh yes, that is why because only the box set is still available and they never expanded it to the level it deserved!

Selorian
16-10-2008, 23:28
I really like the sound of this.

Simon Sez
17-10-2008, 08:40
Why not just play BOTFA?
WM in the Tolkien universe with improved rules.
Oh yes, that is why because only the box set is still available and they never expanded it to the level it deserved!

Preach brother preach!!

azraelezekiel
17-10-2008, 13:57
Preach brother preach!!
Perhaps it may change with the release of The Hobbit movie!
But the magic 8 ball says ' outlook not good!'

orks2134
17-10-2008, 14:32
Preach brother preach!!

True story.

When Battle of the Five Armies was coming out, I had saved this gift certificate for like 9 months to get it. So I sent it in to GW, because I was so far away, and all the hype said that BOFA was going to sell out really fast. I sent it in so that I could get the pre-release, and get it early.

The date comes and goes. GW Canada confirms they have my certificate, but they had sold out of BOFA. All the stores around me have many copies. The GW stores themselves had lots. It was about three weeks after the game came out that my copy FINALLY showed up.

So I wrote a really nice letter to Jervis Johnson who was at that time head of Fanatic, and head of BOFA obviously.

To apologize for the delays and the foul up, he sent me one of every single metal mini for the game! Crazy!

So I now have a complete Battle of the Five Armies set. Which as it turns out, is hard to find because of the metal minis being discontinued.

Huzzah!

yabbadabba
17-10-2008, 15:07
Why not just play BOTFA?
WM in the Tolkien universe with improved rules.
Oh yes, that is why because only the box set is still available and they never expanded it to the level it deserved!

Because it is a different game? Don't get me wrong, great game and I am disappointed the metals are not available but it is a completely different concept.

Simon Sez
17-10-2008, 15:19
True story.

When Battle of the Five Armies was coming out, I had saved this gift certificate for like 9 months to get it. So I sent it in to GW, because I was so far away, and all the hype said that BOFA was going to sell out really fast. I sent it in so that I could get the pre-release, and get it early.

The date comes and goes. GW Canada confirms they have my certificate, but they had sold out of BOFA. All the stores around me have many copies. The GW stores themselves had lots. It was about three weeks after the game came out that my copy FINALLY showed up.

So I wrote a really nice letter to Jervis Johnson who was at that time head of Fanatic, and head of BOFA obviously.

To apologize for the delays and the foul up, he sent me one of every single metal mini for the game! Crazy!

So I now have a complete Battle of the Five Armies set. Which as it turns out, is hard to find because of the metal minis being discontinued.

Huzzah!
:eek:

Give us it, Precious!

Horus84
17-10-2008, 15:53
From what I understand the upscaling won't be changing the core rules of the game.

Essencially it will be very warmaster-ish. Basically you will pay for troops as normal but will have list of what can be bought/ upgraded with what. Then in rules terms each unit will act as a single model just with multiple attacks and wounds - with a base only being removed once all the wounds have gone.

As for characters, alot of the minor ones, such damrod, ugluk etc... a will be treated a upgrades for units/champions that make the unit better - I guess lending their MWF? All the big hitting major characters will be still used as single guys - possibly made better too. Apparently the magic powers will be beefed up and be alot more destructive.

Simon Sez
17-10-2008, 17:37
Apparently the magic powers will be beefed up and be alot more destructiveI'd imagine all spells will simply replace 'model' with 'unit'

Grimbog has some interesting info on TLA
http://www.thelastalliance.com/index.php?pid=view_replies&thread_id=61742&forum_id=1&page=2

1500 seems reasonable as it is the next big step after LoMe's upper limit of 1000

6 instead of 5 for Cav signals more plastics to me, good thing I already bought 6 Kataphrakts.

Having certain Heroes as upgrades is a brilliant idea, I wonder if they'll increase it to other units, how do I put my Bat Swarm among my Goblin unit?

LuciusAR
17-10-2008, 23:09
Excellent stuff. This sounds like an excellent addition to the game. I like the idea of a Warmaster influence to a 28mm game. Multiples of 8 will make for small manageable units whilst giving the impression of somthing being greater than the sum of its parts.

Its worth remembering that this is only a voluntary add on and those who love LOTR as it stands can still play it as is. The game isn't changing at all.

On a side note many people (not necessarily on this board) have been pointing at the recent lack of LOTR releases as a death rattle for LotR and have been reveling in it (though goodness knows why). With this announcement I take the opportunity to metaphorically flick the V's and gloat at the doom mongers.

Though if anyone at GW's head office is reading this I do have 1 thing I must insist on. FOR GODS SAKE PROMOTE THIS! I've been protesting at the shamful lack of promotion of LotR by GW stores for a while now and If GW allow stores to ignore this release it will fail. I demand to see intro tables and mega events for this. If you hold them, they will come. Many potential LotR players are slipping through GW's fingers due to lack of promotion.

sheck2
20-10-2008, 12:28
I am looking forward to this...as large LotR games are a pain. My concern is that they will up-size the model count requirements. I alread yhave enough models to field a number of 1000-1500 point armies.

I do not want rules that require me to buy more models. I want rules to simplify combat and ease play-ability at that level. And I am willing to buy accessories that aid in that ruleset...

Not lots of new models to satifiy some 'arbitrary' model count requirement...like 6th Fantasy to 7th Fantasy with ranks going from 4 to 5 models.

Long_Fang
21-10-2008, 20:15
Not really a big fan of this. I'd much rather prefer some kind of more creative expansion, rather than to super size everything and change game dynamics.

Such as promoting LOTR by building on it's strengths and improving on it's weaknesses.

I'm not sure this will put more LOTR players in my local hobby store.

But hey, if the masses want it and it gets more people to play, who am I to say "no GW, please be more creative". I guess we wait and see.

bufordbugman
22-10-2008, 02:39
Not really a big fan of this. I'd much rather prefer some kind of more creative expansion, rather than to super size everything and change game dynamics.
...
But hey, if the masses want it and it gets more people to play, who am I to say "no GW, please be more creative"....

Indeed. I'm not sure whether I'd play the new rules. But why should I oppose GW drumming up excitement for LOTR and making more money in the process? They could use the business. And it's in all of our interest that GW prosper, after all.

Harry
22-10-2008, 03:12
As it appears Allessio said it out loud at the Italian Gamesday I feel it is OK for me to say it here now.

The expansion will be titled "The War of the Ring".

I can not make the Last alliance link work to check out exactly what has been said but judging from the comments above he has got some stuff right.

For example ... the multibases do hold 8 infantry to make a unit.

The cavalry bases hold only two cavalry models to make a unit.
You can combine up to six units to make a formation.
Characters can be added to units to enhance them.

It does not affect the main game.
It is just another way of using your models.
All good fun.

dax
22-10-2008, 07:22
I can not make the Last alliance link work to check out exactly what has been said but judging from the comments above he has got some stuff right.


Thanks for the info Harry, regarding the Last Alliance it will be down until the start of November (outstanding bill won't be paid until then)

sheck2
22-10-2008, 12:25
As it appears Allessio said it out loud at the Italian Gamesday I feel it is OK for me to say it here now.

The expansion will be titled "The War of the Ring".

I can not make the Last alliance link work to check out exactly what has been said but judging from the comments above he has got some stuff right.

For example ... the multibases do hold 8 infantry to make a unit.

The cavalry bases hold only two cavalry models to make a unit.
You can combine up to six units to make a formation.
Characters can be added to units to enhance them.

It does not affect the main game.
It is just another way of using your models.
All good fun.

Sounds great. Starting to accumulate funds for budget to purchase accessories :)

Simon Sez
22-10-2008, 16:03
Was there any mention of what happens to models with bases larger then cavalry? Chariots, Treebeard, how about Dragons and Mumakil?

This talk of Heroes enhancing Units has me more and more interested, I hope they include some fun effects.

nesbit37
22-10-2008, 16:25
As stated earlier, as long as GW doesn't try to push this to be THE standard LOTR format (unless the community embraces it as such) I am all for it. I am most interested in seeing what the expected model count is to be for an average sized game. I just started creating a Mahud force, and the last thing I want to do is buy double the mini's for an all metal army like that to make playing these rules feasible.

Calgacus
23-10-2008, 08:48
Most of the LOTR players I know have multiple armies. I think the real potential in this will be to allow us to field them all in the one game. My Gondor & Rohan and the Fiefdoms together in a 1500 point game - makes the mouth water!

lotrchampion
24-10-2008, 05:15
I'm posting this very quickly at 5.35am, since I'm feeling in a generous mood and can't sleep. Some of it may have been mentioned already on this thread, but hopefully some of it will be new to you fellas.

Direct from the word of Nottingham GW's manager after going to the Manager's Meeting regarding the upcoming LotR:SBG Expansion, The War of the Ring.

-384 pages
-HUGE expansion allowing massive games to be played the size of those depicted in movies/books.
-Based on 'The Alamo' expansion for Legends of the Old West (which was originally based on LotR in the first place).
-Makes use of specialised Movement trays to easily manuvore large formations.
-Formations purchased in terms of what you get in a boxed set-e.g. Infantry in groups of 8, Cavalry in groups of 6.
-Lesser characters e.g. Sharku are purchased with their own warband, e.g. Sharku comes with 5 other Warg Riders on his stand, plus a second stand of 6.
-Major characters act individually and can really affect the flow of battle.
-LOTS of new models. These include
--PLASTIC Ents
--NEW mounted Theoden (which is, according to my source, the most beautiful one yet)
to name but a few. (i.e. these are the ones I remembered Razz).
-This will be an EXPANSION that is aimed directly at 40k and Fantasy players who had trouble going over to LotR as they found it wasn't as simple to play huge battles. Yes, it is an attempt to get more money from 40k and Fantasy players if you think cynically, but if you think sensibly, its bringing more players to this great community.

One of the first things my manager said to me before he told me of all this was 'Oh, Lord of the Rings has a future all right, and its ******* awesome!'. So for you people worried about it falling off radar, fear not. LotR is here to stay, and its getting badass.

P.S. And for those wanting an Elf Sourcebook soon-It'll probably be Q3/4 2009. In all honesty, Elves are bad enough at the moment, when the new book comes out they'll be sick. GT 2010 will have every board covered with Elves and Mordor....

nesbit37
24-10-2008, 05:26
Lotrchamp, they give any indication of how many formations they are shooting for in order to play an average sized game? As fun as this sounds, I am going to be disinclined to play if I need to go buy 4 more boxes of cavalry units and 4 more boxes of warriors per army just to fight a small battle. My painting backlog is large enough already, not to mention the pain in my wallet.

lotrchampion
24-10-2008, 06:27
I would assume by 'an average sized game' you mean one that can be played within a couple of hours. Since I didn't hear much more about the adaptive rules themselves, its difficult to estimate how many points you would need for such an 'average' game. But bear in mind, why is it just you who's playing? For something like this, like in 40k Apocalypse, its more feasible in many ways to play a 4+ player battle, each players taking for example 1500pts. However, all will become clearer nearer the time.

Simon Sez
24-10-2008, 08:54
Plastic Ents?

*Looks at GW's idea of an 'Ent'*

Ohh, dear...

Lets see now; if I add myMordor, Rhun and Harad armies together... Yep I'm all set. Pelennor Fields here I come!

yabbadabba
24-10-2008, 14:20
Plastic Ents?

*Looks at GW's idea of an 'Ent'*

Ohh, dear...

Lets see now; if I add myMordor, Rhun and Harad armies together... Yep I'm all set. Pelennor Fields here I come!

I'll take you on with my Gondor and Rohan armies :-) - of course I've got to paint the B*&^%rs first!

nesbit37
24-10-2008, 15:02
I would assume by 'an average sized game' you mean one that can be played within a couple of hours. Since I didn't hear much more about the adaptive rules themselves, its difficult to estimate how many points you would need for such an 'average' game. But bear in mind, why is it just you who's playing? For something like this, like in 40k Apocalypse, its more feasible in many ways to play a 4+ player battle, each players taking for example 1500pts. However, all will become clearer nearer the time.

I don't play WHF or 40k so maybe my understanding is a bit off, but as it stands now I know, at least at my local GW store, a fantasty or 40k game is about the equivilant of twice the same amount of points as a lotr game. If this version of lotr is going to be like apocalypse, with an average 1500 point contribution by 40k players of 1500 points, I would assume that would translate into roughly 750 lotr points per player, which is a game usually no larger than 70 models (usually many less in my experience, especially if playing good). Lets assume you do have 70 models though, that is 8 formations and a couple solo heroes. Is that enough? How many formations are there on the table for most WHF fantasy games? Maybe thats an adequate number, but it just seems low to me. If they make it work though great.

HeraldOfTheFree
24-10-2008, 15:56
I don't play WHF or 40k so maybe my understanding is a bit off, but as it stands now I know, at least at my local GW store, a fantasty or 40k game is about the equivilant of twice the same amount of points as a lotr game. If this version of lotr is going to be like apocalypse, with an average 1500 point contribution by 40k players of 1500 points, I would assume that would translate into roughly 750 lotr points per player, which is a game usually no larger than 70 models (usually many less in my experience, especially if playing good). Lets assume you do have 70 models though, that is 8 formations and a couple solo heroes. Is that enough? How many formations are there on the table for most WHF fantasy games? Maybe thats an adequate number, but it just seems low to me. If they make it work though great.

To be honest, that sounds too small. We play 1000 points at the moment fine! So I expect the expansion to cater for 2000 LotR points, considering that Fantasy 'Apoc' is 5000 and 40k 'Apoc' is 3000. Those are minimum though... 10,000 a side would be more fun!

nesbit37
24-10-2008, 16:24
To be honest, that sounds too small. We play 1000 points at the moment fine! So I expect the expansion to cater for 2000 LotR points, considering that Fantasy 'Apoc' is 5000 and 40k 'Apoc' is 3000. Those are minimum though... 10,000 a side would be more fun!

I just re-read what I wrote and it was a bit confusing. I was saying 750 points, or at max 8 formations per player in an lotr apoc game. Is that enough per player, or are they going to have to be bring a drastically larger number of models to the table per player to make this fun and workable?

I have confidence GW will make this fun, what I don't have confidence in is them making the expansion accessible with only minor additions to current armies. If you have to double your forces you might as well call this a brand new game and not an expansion. But like I said, I don't play WHF or 40k, and I don't know what adaptations people had to make to play apoc.

HeraldOfTheFree
24-10-2008, 16:43
I just re-read what I wrote and it was a bit confusing. I was saying 750 points, or at max 8 formations per player in an lotr apoc game. Is that enough per player, or are they going to have to be bring a drastically larger number of models to the table per player to make this fun and workable?

I have confidence GW will make this fun, what I don't have confidence in is them making the expansion accessible with only minor additions to current armies. If you have to double your forces you might as well call this a brand new game and not an expansion. But like I said, I don't play WHF or 40k, and I don't know what adaptations people had to make to play apoc.
Right then, I'll try and explain.
40k's standard points is 1500. The minimum GW say you need for Apocalypse is 3000, and really, that's correct- below it apocalypse really doesn't work.
Fantasy's standard points is 2000. The minimum for Legendary Battles is 5000.
So LotR will probably be double-three times it's normal size. But the question is, what will be deemed it's normal size?

Harry
24-10-2008, 16:57
I have confidence GW will make this fun, what I don't have confidence in is them making the expansion accessible with only minor additions to current armies. If you have to double your forces you might as well call this a brand new game and not an expansion.

My sense of it is that it IS a whole new game and not an expansion.

It seems to me that you will have 'Lord of the Rings' ... the skirmish game and 'The war of the Ring' ... the mass combat wargame. Both based in the same fantasy settting and using the same minis but two different games.

I seem to remember they were heading for 2000 points as a 'standard' size for use in tournaments.
Although it will obviously allow for smaller or much bigger forces to be used.

(However when I first heard about this I am pretty sure they had not settled on exactly how many points it should be so don't hold me to this).

C-Coen
24-10-2008, 18:29
Thank you very much for posting.. sounds great!

Looking forward to that Théoden..!

Suspicions
25-10-2008, 04:54
Wow! I can't wait to see the new book, and am really quite hopeful that this one will be laid out in a bit more organized fashion than our current LotR rulebook. It's quite taxing to have to flip through pages of reference to locate and site the passage in which Flying is discussed for an opponent, let alone the Magically Resistant rule (located in the entry for Hobbits) and a score of others. A book divided into sections that are easy to follow, all evil armies in section X, all good armies in section Y, all the special rules in section Z, ect, would be very helpful!

destroyerlord
25-10-2008, 11:31
This sounds pretty exciting, and really if it gets more people playing and more people buying how is that ever a bad thing?
300+ page rulebook? Thats pretty huge for an 'expansion', calling it a new ruleset probably is more accurate. Not sure how many pages apocalypse is though so I could be wrong on that.

neXus6
25-10-2008, 12:53
I don't think apocalypse is that many pages, and most of the pages are just unit organisations and stuff like that there are very few actual rules in it.

I will be interested in seeing what kind of game system turns up though, will it be a properly new system bred out of the current LotR rules, will it take heavily from Fantasy, will it still have indiviual models fighting, in which case it could possibly end up a little like 2nd ed 40k.

Sabbad
25-10-2008, 16:48
This is very interesting.

As things stand presently, large games of LotR are horrendously dull and boring wastes of time. It's nice that GW has recognised that and have decided to do something about it.

384 pages is about 50% more than what's in the LotR RULEBOOK. Brand new rule set indeed. Since I can't imagine there's going to be lengthy background sections in this book (unlike Fantasy and 40K, there's a number of pre-existing reference books for fluff, written by Tolkien), I could well imagine entirely different stats for every model GW released for the "old" LotR skirmish game.

HeraldOfTheFree
25-10-2008, 21:01
Although it will be long, it will still need the rulebook for the core rules I presume?

Sabbad
25-10-2008, 22:10
At this time, I'm presuming not. Otherwise, we're looking at a combined rulebook cost of - what? £60?

destroyerlord
26-10-2008, 02:43
That is interesting. At such a high page count I guess we can count on this being a new 'edition' of LoTR, including rules for both standard battles and war of the ring battles. I wonder if it will include an updated LoME ruleset as well? That is a big book...

HeraldOfTheFree
26-10-2008, 08:43
At this time, I'm presuming not. Otherwise, we're looking at a combined rulebook cost of - what? £60?

I wouldn't put it past Games Workshop. Apocalypse is:
Rulebook [Compulsory] (30) + Apocalypse [Compulsory] (30) + Apocalypse Reload [Optional] (15) = 60-75 quid!

yabbadabba
26-10-2008, 10:25
I wouldn't put it past Games Workshop. Apocalypse is:
Rulebook [Compulsory] (30) + Apocalypse [Compulsory] (30) + Apocalypse Reload [Optional] (15) = 60-75 quid!

A tad cynical perhaps? How would you have marketed a product that you have to sell?

40K is rulebook = compulsory (£40 inc starter army) - technically for the wise you could get rulebook = free out of this!

Apocalypse = expansion, is optional and is a small investment compared to the amount of money you would have spent on your army(s) you would need to play the game.

There are plenty of companies out there who do exactly the same thing AND it's pandering to the lazy. To be honest there is nothing in that book you couldn't make up yourself. Roleplay has been doing it for far longer.

HeraldOfTheFree
26-10-2008, 11:45
A tad cynical perhaps? How would you have marketed a product that you have to sell?

40K is rulebook = compulsory (£40 inc starter army) - technically for the wise you could get rulebook = free out of this!

Apocalypse = expansion, is optional and is a small investment compared to the amount of money you would have spent on your army(s) you would need to play the game.

There are plenty of companies out there who do exactly the same thing AND it's pandering to the lazy. To be honest there is nothing in that book you couldn't make up yourself. Roleplay has been doing it for far longer.

Yeah, I agree with that. I play Apocalypse without the book ;) The thing is though, the LotR expansion probably won't have the basic rules in it if it follows Apocalypse's lead, and since the changes to LotR would be so great, you would need both books. It is optional unless you want to use the expansion.

Simon Sez
26-10-2008, 12:57
384 pages? My word.

The Hobby articles will make up the 4 I bet:rolleyes:

HsojVvad
26-10-2008, 18:30
I don't know, LotR seems different from 40K and Fanatsy. If the new rules is going to be Apocalpyse type, I think it can be a different set of rules and all the rules will be included so you will not have to have both versions of the game to play.

The problem I can see is people getting into LotR because of the Apocalpyse version if they like it so much they will not be happy if they have to get ORB to play smaller skirmish types LotR games.

Who knows, maybe it will be verion V of LotR and it can be both, skirmish types games for people who like smaller AND Apocalypse type game as well.

Warhound of Lustria
26-10-2008, 20:20
if there is a new rulebook... is there going to be a new starter set as well?

this is good news, it's nice to play a 2000 points battle in less than two days

HeraldOfTheFree
26-10-2008, 20:45
if there is a new rulebook... is there going to be a new starter set as well?

this is good news, it's nice to play a 2000 points battle in less than two days

Hmmm... perhaps a starter set with a 2000 pt army in? :D (40k/Fantasy Starter Sets have sooo much more than our current one does...)

LuciusAR
26-10-2008, 21:29
Well from what Ive gathered its very similar to the large battle rules from the Alamo supplement from LotOW.

http://www.warhammer-historical.com/alamo/alamo.asp

Which is based on the core LotR rules. Now I haven't managed to gather much about how this works and a quick Google found nothing. However it seems to use the core LotOW mechanics and stats and therefore needs the main rulebook. So from this we can safely assume the same applies for WotR. Units operating in blocks of 8 Inf and 6 Cav.

If you want a clearer idea of what this will be about taking a look at the Alamo supplement should tell you what you need to know. If anyone knows a good link to an Alamo review or overview on-line, I'm sure it would be much appreciated.

yabbadabba
26-10-2008, 21:58
Yeah, I agree with that. I play Apocalypse without the book ;) The thing is though, the LotR expansion probably won't have the basic rules in it if it follows Apocalypse's lead, and since the changes to LotR would be so great, you would need both books. It is optional unless you want to use the expansion.

It will still be optional. I play a massed combat version of LotR already :D. I'll enjoy the read of the book, but they will have to impress to get the money out of me. I quite like my house rules and, of course, the core rules.

Dragon Prince of Caledor
28-10-2008, 15:46
Why do we need this? Is it just to sell more minatures? Are people really asking for an Apocolypse type game for LotR?

This seems too much like Fatasy but I guess we have to give it a chance. They did a really good job so far in it, so it's wait and see.

I think the same thing... I like skirmish games of LOTR where there are objectives and such but big games are fun and I dont think that there has to be new rules for it though. The idea of a big game is for it to take a long time and for there to be a lot of epic/ funny stuff and not get it over with quickly. If you want a quick game play with less models! It is just going to be more guys dying and a larger table i suppose it will all still be relative. I designed a 2250pt game a couple years ago that included everything from the book in the pelennor fields; when the day comes that I have the time to prepare/play such a game its epic ness will never be rivalled! It will make for interesting to watch games though.. The way the game was designed initially was for the fellowship and thus for an individual type of warrior game this is a sort of attempt to get around that and make for an organized units type of game which would make sense. I organize my models into "units" anyways so it doesnt make a difference to me. It shall be interesting; no doubt!

neXus6
28-10-2008, 18:32
I really liked smaller games of 40k...and I liked larger games of 40k taking a long time to play the whole "Apocalypse" thing was to make people buy more stuff and I doubt even GW would deny it.

I'm not sure about over all but in my experiance the Fantasy version of Apocalypse "Legendary Battles" which only had an article in WD rather than a book is pretty much unused, I've never seen one of these "Legendary Battles" just normal ol' big games of Fantasy every now and then.

I'm interested in how the LotR version pans out seeing as they are once again making an actual book for the changes rather than just a WD article, but to me smaller games of every system, but particularly LotR just seem more in character with the majority of the background...there are far more wee skirmishes with heroes than huge battles like the last alliance and minas tirth.
That is just a personal liking for smaller games though. :p

Ben
08-11-2008, 21:57
What is the timescale for release of this? Is it some point in 2009?

I'm certainly curious as to when plastic ents are out, as I've started thinking an army with five models in might be something I could actually finish painting.

kingcaboose
08-11-2008, 22:12
I'm a big fan of the LOTR stuff and welcome the idea.

The Rumour as I heard it (pretty weak in reliability because it comes from FLGWS) ...

What I've been told by my FLGWS is that it's like what GW did with apocalypse for 40k. Not changing the core game but adding ways to make the larger games fun (maybe something like Datasheets) but unlike 40k apoc additional rules to make large games take much less time.

In my humble opinion ...

Large games of LOTR are really fun its just that you need two days to play them but that's the same for large 40k apocalypse games as well. The only thing LOTR games need to speed things up are:

Movement trays for speady movement.
A way to roll dice on mass.
Battle formations like apoc DataSheets.

Explained ...

I already have house rules for rolling dice on mass along with rolling individually which I'm sure other LOTR players do too. So why not incorporate it officially in to the rules.

Movement trays would be very useful because the majority of your forces just mass forward and aren't really changing position in relation to each other. Forcing static formations like in WFB and removing the flexibility to move individual troops out in any fashion, I think, would be a mistake. Yes you would bring the game closer to WFB and that type of gamer but would (in my opinion) cheapen the individualality WFB and LOTR.

But that's just in my opinion.

Spiney Norman
25-11-2008, 15:07
I'm a big fan of the LOTR stuff and welcome the idea.

The Rumour as I heard it (pretty weak in reliability because it comes from FLGWS) ...

What I've been told by my FLGWS is that it's like what GW did with apocalypse for 40k. Not changing the core game but adding ways to make the larger games fun (maybe something like Datasheets) but unlike 40k apoc additional rules to make large games take much less time.

"like what they did with 40k"? You meanwe're going to get loads of dumbass formations which make no sense, like if you field 10 mumakil in a line they will all auto pass courage tests or if you field 6 Dragons and a Balrog standing on its head all goblins on the board gain the fly special rule...

lotrchampion
25-11-2008, 23:09
Hiya Spiney, didn't know you were on Warseer. =)

I think what people are trying to say is that the WotR is going to be what Apocalypse and Warhammer Mighty Battles (or whatever it is) SHOULD have been-decent and workable. I can't wait for it, I really can't.

Bring on March/April........:D

BDJV
29-11-2008, 12:09
This is long overdue for the LotR system. I surely hope they do a completely different version of the game for army scaled battles. The curret rules do not scale up well at all, no matter that some claim they do.

yabbadabba
29-11-2008, 14:47
This is long overdue for the LotR system. I surely hope they do a completely different version of the game for army scaled battles. The curret rules do not scale up well at all, no matter that some claim they do.

So you say, but I have no problems other than the additio of an extra courage rule for playing mass formations. I think various aspects of the rules lend themselves quite well to that sort of thing.

Oh well, each to their own I suppose.

ThrowN
30-11-2008, 03:12
Just to confirm

07-Feb-09 LIZARDMEN ARMY BOOK £15.00
07-Feb-09 LIZARDMEN STEGADON £25.00
07-Feb-09 LIZARDMEN SAURUS TEMPLE GUARD £15.00
07-Feb-09 LIZARDMEN KROXIGOR £12.00
21-Feb-09 WAR OF THE RING INFANTRY MOVEMENT TRAYS £2.50
21-Feb-09 WAR OF THE RING CAVALRY MOVEMENT TRAYS £2.50
21-Feb-09 LIZARDMEN BATTALION £50.00
21-Feb-09 LIZARDMEN RAZORDON HUNTING PACK £15.00
__________________
Just in case noone noticed - posted in the WHFB rumour roundup

HsojVvad
30-11-2008, 10:35
Thank you ThrowN I didn't notice. I don't do WHFB

BDJV
30-11-2008, 10:55
So you say, but I have no problems other than the additio of an extra courage rule for playing mass formations. I think various aspects of the rules lend themselves quite well to that sort of thing.

Oh well, each to their own I suppose.

I don't think that the game breaks during large games. It takes way too long to play and becomes an extremely tedious event.

dannyfave
06-12-2008, 06:58
Which is unfortunate, as it takes time away from their real game systems.

I would consider LOTR more of a real system then 40k ****** that game

dax
06-12-2008, 10:37
Here's the first WoTR picture as it hasn't been shown here yet- credit goes to Mr.Black on TLA for the picture.

Nice Osgiliath board.

Things to note:
- The orcs appear to be on the new infantry trays but the Gondorians are on "home made" trays.
- The picture confirms that stands of Infantry hold 8 in ranks of 4x2 and multiple stands make a unit.
- Units can have more than one named Hero.
- Cavalry units are made up of mutliples of 2 Cavalry. There are various formations each having different bonus/benefits.
- The group behind Boromir's unit has the new Gondorian hero centre left he's standing up on something.
- Next to him there's a warrior that looks different to the others. I think he might be holding a horn but it's to hard to tell.
- The Gondorian Standards look new so maybe a new command pack.

dannyfave
06-12-2008, 19:27
that osgiliath board is rad! Can't wait to try this out

HsojVvad
07-12-2008, 01:32
Looking at the pic, I don't know if I will like the trays. To WFB to me. Maybe I am too use to having the men scattered to where ever you want.

So putting them in trays, is it suppose to confer some bonus or something?

lorelorn
07-12-2008, 07:43
Looking at the photo, it seems that only the orcs at the lower front and right of the pic are in the new trays. Those orcs are obviously on trays with sloped sides and the bases sink into the trays to hold the figures. Everythng else is on a flat board that the base simply sits on top of.

To me the pic looks terrible. It has really removed a lot of the dynamism from those models to have them in ordered, stilted rows like that.

Ben
07-12-2008, 21:35
Quick question, what about sets like the standard Uruk Hai, that come in multiples of 5 (ie 10 pikes, 10 HW+S)? What about blisters that come in multiples of 3? ie most elite metal infantry?

Will we be left with lots of spare models when making up units?

While this might be what finally gets some people in my club to play LOTR (revising the rules to make massed battles more practical) I don't want to buy a ton more lead.

dannyfave
13-12-2008, 19:32
I would think of it like this.. the battlr is big so blisters of three= 8x3 you would take 24 of those if you dont want extra models about. Your models that come in multiples of 5 are your baic models so i can see in a 2000+ game fielding enough to make multiples of eight without having extra models. infact if im not mistaken the boxes come in boxes of 24 which is divisible by 8 anyway I.E 24 dwarves 8 with bow, 8 with hand weapon shield and eight with two handed weapons. If im wong about that let me know

Harry
13-12-2008, 20:11
As it appears Allessio said it out loud at the Italian Gamesday I feel it is OK for me to say it here now.

The expansion will be titled "The War of the Ring".

I can not make the Last alliance link work to check out exactly what has been said but judging from the comments above he has got some stuff right.

For example ... the multibases do hold 8 infantry to make a unit.

The cavalry bases hold only two cavalry models to make a unit.
You can combine up to six units to make a formation.
Characters can be added to units to enhance them.

It does not affect the main game.
It is just another way of using your models.
All good fun.

I wasn't making this up. :D

dax
13-12-2008, 20:20
Some more info from Mat Ward in January's white Dwarf:

- War of the Ring "will be picking up where the battle game leaves off", starting at around 50 models a side
- Basic troops stay the same.
- WotR will use companies of eight infantry or two cavalry models, with monsters still being individuals
- The movement trays are optional but they make movement alot easier.

8 minis for infantry was picked because plastic boxsets generally have 8 of each type of warrior even for the ones that don't they're in multiples of 4 (4 Easterling spearmen, 12 warriors of Harad etc.) and you'll need more than one box anyway. Alright the fighting Uruk Hai just don't fit number wise but 4 boxes will get you 5 infantry companies and I reckon you'll need the 4 boxes worth anyway.

Drakcore Bloodtear
14-12-2008, 11:56
I don't know if this has been posted befor but the content of the new WD are here

http://battlereporter.blogspot.com/2008/12/white-dwarf-wd349-january-2009-contents.html

scroll down to see the LotR

HsojVvad
14-12-2008, 13:45
So how would having 8 guys on a tray work for combat? Would this tray have to travel 5 or 6" to anthour tray and they are all involved in CC? Is it winner takes all, or will both sides be whittled down when they take wounds?

Right now it's one or the other who dies, but being bunched up, if it's one group or the other, I can see this being lopsided with the winner having 8 mini's and the loser none.

Guess we have to just wait till more details come out. Anyone know? I am too impaitent to wait lol.

Simon Sez
14-12-2008, 15:33
One thing I wonder is whether facing matters when placing models in trays, how will pike blocks work in this?

I've given up trying to figure out how this will work, I don't play fantasy and every potential solution I think of has a catch following the SBG rules.

HsojVvad
14-12-2008, 17:29
SBG? I can't figure out what that means.

At first I was against this, but now that I am seeing bits of what it maybe encompass, I am warming up to it. It is almost getting me to start a Mordor army going.

I am so impatient, I want to know now, so I know what I can and cannot have.

Simon Sez
15-12-2008, 10:07
Strategy Battle Game.

Gondorian
15-12-2008, 12:13
I'm glad they're doing this. For one thing its not going to replace the current lotr standard, usually about 700pts in tournament setting.

I remember long ago deciding with about eight other people to play a truely epic game of lotr. Every model we could get was put on the board. The good side had a long shield wall of gondorians and elves that spanned from one edge to the other. Before them and to their left stood a giant wedge of gondorian knights, at the tip of the spear were ten knights of Dol-amroth and their Prince Imrahil. To the centre were tight knots of Rohirrem and Dwarven skirmishers. To their right another group of cavalry, this one rohirrem led by Eomer, Gamling and Theoden.
Opposite stood row upon row of orcs and goblins, seriously their deployment zone needed to be made bigger to make room. A massive phalanx of Uruk-Hai dominated the centre, its flank protected by the orc shield walls. One flank held no less than ten trolls, all of the nine nazgul were present.

This game looked amazing! But it took far too long and we ended up packing up after a few turns. This expansion should make those games playable.

Also, I think all lotr players should add to their zombie survival kit, a fully painted good and evil army say about 250pts each. A bag of dice and a tape measure. Then even when the apocalypse comes, lotr will still be going strong.

dax
15-12-2008, 16:35
Plastic Galadhrim for WoTR from Skylax and Azgul on TLA.

Scanned from a War of the Ring flyer

Joewrightgm
15-12-2008, 21:16
That's awesome. My Orcs are going to have to get organized . . . tee hee, not a problem since I've got so damn many of them!

I'm anxious to know where this is going to go. The 2 cavalry per base seems a bit odd at first, but most of the cavalry in the game are boxes with about 3 different kind of riders, like Warg Riders or Riders of Rohan.

Hmm . . . I may have to add some more wargs and trolls.

And uruk-hai . . . and some other things . . .

destroyerlord
20-12-2008, 09:53
Yes two cav per base allows you to use the two riders firing bows, and the two with throwing spears without buying multiple boxes. Hopefully larger units (or formations) will be allowed though, because I think characters like Theoden and Imrahil deserve more than two bodyguards.

Joewrightgm
21-12-2008, 01:30
EW! I just thought of something!

What if you can have two 'command' models next to each other? Most specifically a hero and standard bearer.

Best (worst?) example of this could be Theoden and Gamling with the standard of Rohan, surrounded by Royal guard. That would be powerful as Hell, but at the risk of becoming a fire magnet for things like siege bows and catapults.

destroyerlord
21-12-2008, 08:45
How would that be any different to using that combination in the SBG? Its not really all that powerful, especially since the banner costs so much.

Sticky Fingers
21-12-2008, 12:07
Wow all this looks great! Can't wait! Does anyone know anything more about the plastic Mordor Uruks?

dax
21-12-2008, 14:13
Nothing other than the fact that pictures where shown to the managers recently. They're not part of the first release but will be released within 6 six months. There will also be new metal Mordor Uruk Hai command.

Joewrightgm
21-12-2008, 15:17
New Mordor uruk command? Finally!

kingcaboose
27-12-2008, 11:55
I read the rules for the alamo, it follows pretty much the same idea as WFB. formations with command options.

I can see how it works but personally I hate coherency being required for troops. I wish they would make it possible to not have to maintain coherency but troops only benefit from special rules if within coherency. I hope they do something interesting with it rather than just bringing WFB into LOTR.

Death Korp
27-12-2008, 12:52
All good stuff so far :)

Anyway guys, as you may know, I run the Tale of Lord of the Rings Painters. After quite a successful 6 months, I was wondering if there was any interest in a Tale of WAR OF THE RING Painters?

I thought mabye it will be a good idea to get people creating their armies....I'll put up a thread now to see if there is interest....

DK

stonehorse
30-12-2008, 03:54
I really hope it plays a lot like Warmaster, to my mind Warmaster is the best rule system for a large scalw wargame, and still retains a nice simple rule system.

I best get my Easterlings painted for this.

lorelorn
30-12-2008, 04:13
Is it 15 or 20 Kataphrakts you have? I remember you had a lot. I look forward to seeing those painted.

stonehorse
30-12-2008, 04:27
Thanks for remembering me! Think it is 15... their collecting dust somewhere.

I'm currently thinking of replacing all the metal swords with the plastic swords from Easterling Warriors, they bend far too easily.

lorelorn
30-12-2008, 05:06
Well, better to bend than snap, which has happened with one of my easterling warriors.

rich1231
01-01-2009, 15:46
Could be old news..
Army of the Dead boxed set released in April.

No price and its definitely different to the previous box of the same name.

WillFightForFood
01-01-2009, 19:26
I can't imagine why they would release an Army of the Dead box set unless they are going to come out with new rules for them. Given the high point cost and single hero available they are too expensive to take in numbers much larger than the current set without crippling your force. The models they have now are good, and all they really need are some riders of the dead. Same goes for the Ents.

WillFightForFood
04-01-2009, 15:59
They already have those. They came out August 2007.

Really? Where can you get them. I haven't seen them anywhere and they aren't on the GW website.

dax
04-01-2009, 16:10
Odd I can't find them on the UK GW site either.

The french store has them:

http://fr.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.fr?do=Individual&code=99061466032&orignav=16

but if you put the product code into the Uk store it doesn't exist.

Maelstrom still have some:

http://www.maelstromgames.co.uk/index.php?act=pro&pre=lotr1_gon0402_050

reds8n
04-01-2009, 16:27
Could be old news..
Army of the Dead boxed set released in April.

No price and its definitely different to the previous box of the same name.


I believe this is a plastic set in fact.:)


Incidentally see 21.2.09 (http://www.gamingfigures.com/viewProducts.asp?action=advance)

I believe the infantry trays hold 8 the cavalry 4--- it's to do with the sprue layout or something-- I think they come in 8s or 4s yes ?

lotrchampion
04-01-2009, 20:30
8s and 2s actually. In each Infantry and Cavalry tray set, you get 3 trays-i.e., enough to hold 1 typical box of plastic models (24 foot, 6 mtd).

BattleofLund
04-01-2009, 20:43
This biggyfying development is of interest to me...

HOWEVER

unless I win the lottery I ain't paying £2.50 for three movement-tray-pieces of plastic. Not when they seem to be cobble-togetherable from simple materials. No no no. Rather buy more minis. Yes yes yes.

Tancred II von Quenelles
05-01-2009, 18:54
Anybody knows about new model releases for the suppliment?

Joewrightgm
06-01-2009, 00:52
I've heard plastic Mordor Uruk-hai, with metal command, and we've also seen plastic Galadrim warrirors too. Also plastic Ents are rumored as well.

C-Coen
06-01-2009, 12:53
And, appearantly, plastic Army of the Dead soldiers.
More Isengard command models too, or so I've heard.

Joewrightgm
06-01-2009, 13:07
Forgot about the army of the dead. Didn't hear about Isengard command models. Maybe we'll finally see that scout captain with 2 handed axe finally? That'd be kind of cool.

Jammybee
07-01-2009, 09:03
Really looking forward to this, just gotta decide what army to start.

tassiewargamer
07-01-2009, 22:37
Looks like all OZ stores get to get to try out the rules on febuary the 28th.

Any other countries getting this.

Joewrightgm
07-01-2009, 23:46
My thing is, Reds8n's schedule there doesn't address the rules release itself; basically, what good are movement trays, if there are no rules?

Anyone know if its a white dwarf article or something?

C-Coen
08-01-2009, 07:09
As far as I know, not at all, it would actually be a pretty big book.
However, the movement trays are to be released long before the other stuff.
Trays in Feb, rules and models in April.

Joewrightgm
08-01-2009, 12:43
hmm . . . seems like the rules and trays should have dropped in february, then give us the models in April. Very curious.

rich1231
08-01-2009, 13:24
Book is out 4th April RRP confirmed as £35.

Joewrightgm
08-01-2009, 13:54
that'd be about $50 USD correct? Good lord, that is a big book.

dax
09-01-2009, 19:28
Apparently Galadhrim Knights have also been sculpted and seen in the new book not sure if they're plastic or metal yet (rumour is plastic). Oh and theres a new Easterling Hero as well possibly an Easterling King.

C-Coen
09-01-2009, 22:09
If the Galadrhim Knights turn out to be plastic too, I will thank everybody who wished me a happy new year, for it would surely be an awesome year!
I'm interested how GW made the Easterling King look like, maybe an Easterling with some kind of decorated armour and more clothing and a bare head.

Joewrightgm
16-01-2009, 22:59
Who wants to speculate what the new Mordor uruk-hai are going to look like?

I'm thinking they'll look like alot like the current metals, but with models to represent all the options; I'm thinking 8 with shield, 8 with bow, 4 with no equipment, and 4 with two-handed weapons.

C-Coen
17-01-2009, 08:27
I would just guess 8 shield, 8 bow and 8 2-handed, not only because they never gave no-equipment to model which have 3 weapon options (scouts only have 2), but also because they will be released with War of the Ring in mind, so models should be with 8 at the same time.

kingcaboose
20-01-2009, 02:52
GW has a video for war of the ring

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?community=&catId=cat210006&categoryId=800009&aId=12800007 (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?community=&catId=cat210006&categoryId=800009&aId=12800007)

GodlessM
20-01-2009, 04:13
Haven't played LOTR since the Return of the King days (about 4-5yrs ago) and I must say this new edition looks very promising. Pity nobody around here plays anymore.

Osbad
20-01-2009, 13:23
All I can say about £35 begins with "B" and ends with "ollocks".

If that is truly the price, then it'll pass me by. I'm not really that bothered about seeing mass battles anyhow. As a one-off at a show or something they're OK, but they're not something I lose much sleep over...

rich1231
21-01-2009, 12:42
Cough splutter
cheaper if you search a bit :)

Johnny3Days
04-02-2009, 14:08
This looks pretty cool, I can't wait! Does anyone know if they will make the models more customizable? (I'm just starting, right now I play warhammer) The models now seems a bit simple to put together. not that simple is bad i just like to make the models "my own".