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happy_doctor
11-10-2008, 11:31
Hello!

When building an army list, most people tend to pick a few units that fit their strategy and take multiples of them. This works out just fine, but usually means that a some other units get left out.

So, I was thinking: Would it be a viable tactic to try and include all units in an army list in a single 2250 army (or at least try to squeeze in as many different choices as you can)?
Given the various tactical advantages of the different units in a single army book, I believe an army built in such a way could win games.

From a hobby perspective, it would give people the chance to paint many different models, without getting bored of working on the same bunch of miniatures over and over again. What's more, it could help capture the character of a race and make for a great display.

Take for example a Wood elf list, designed using this principle:

Highborn, Great Eagle, Bow of Loren, Arcane Bodkins, LA, shield
Noble, BSB, Stone of Crystal Mere, Sword of Might
Spellsinger, lvl 2, Dispel Scroll

10 Glade Guard
5 Scouts
10 Dryads
5 Glade Riders, musician
12 Eternal Guard, Full Command

5 Wild Riders, Full Command, War Banner
7 Wardancers, musician
3 Treekin
3 Warhawk Riders

6 Waywatchers
Treeman

This army includes every single unit choice in the Wood Elf book (save for the mount options) and would be fun to play with/against, I believe.

What do you think? Would this principle apply to the army youa re currently playing and how do you see this working out for you?

Faustburg
11-10-2008, 11:47
From a collecting p.o.v I'd say that is what a lot of people already do, but as to building an army on the principle; Taking one of each for its own sake, all you are doing is adding an artificial constraint not based on any tackical advantage, so... no.

JonnyTHM
11-10-2008, 12:09
This is actually rather easy to do in a skaven list.

I take one of everything except for rat swarms and night runners. Then I take more clanrats, slaves, giant rats and globe throwers. That's actually a rather well balanced army, and it fits into 2000 points.

him_15
11-10-2008, 13:51
not possible for some armies with more than 2 rare unit though

BEEGfrog
11-10-2008, 15:03
From a collecting p.o.v I'd say that is what a lot of people already do, but as to building an army on the principle; Taking one of each for its own sake, all you are doing is adding an artificial constraint not based on any tackical advantage, so... no.

The only way this approach will result in more victories is that it is likely to give you more experience of what your army can and cannot do. It will show you which combinations work and don't work, so giving you more feedback faster.

This approach will seldom produce better armies but often produce better generals.

Othiem
11-10-2008, 16:33
What frog said, armies like that are great for figuring out uses for those units that rarely see the table. So is making a point of using units that you just can't seem to make perform. I got bored one weekend and wrote a program that was a random army generator, you toss in everything in your list, a few constraints like block sizes, and it spits out your army. I call it the Rumsfeld scenario, you go to war with the army you have.

Tactically it's problematic though. By only having one of each, you allow your opponent to use the best possible counter to each of your threats, since you have no redundancy. I'd say the success of such a list depends more on how the actual unit breakup of the individual army book is, not on the idea of tossing a wide variety of units at somebody and seeing what sticks. O&G for example would get rocked using a list like this, they simply wouldn't be packing enough ground troops. Armies like HE or DE though, who tend to only take one of each core max, and have more specialist type units anyways, could do well, and in fact most of their lists closely conform to this idea.

Bob the Butcher
12-10-2008, 00:12
This type of army is the "Jack of All Trades Master of none".

Really you need to build your army with a particular plan in mind.

So if its not a generic all comers list for Tournies then you can Tailor your list for the Army you are fighting against.

SolarHammer
12-10-2008, 04:09
I'll have to second the opinion that this type of army building strategy actually works well for Skaven. You can make a great list by taking a large variety of units.

My 2000 point army has Clanrats, Stormvermin, Night Runners, Globadiers, Ratling Guns, Warpfire Throwers, Rat Swarms, Jezzails, Gutter Runners, Plague Monks, Plague Censer Bearers and a WLC.

It does a bit of everything, and has a tool for anything. The Skaven choices work very well together.