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ncc_drkstar
17-10-2008, 09:02
I'm thinking of starting an IG army - and wow are there a ton of choices (and even more units). My biggest concern is the cost - it seems like a 1500-2000 pt army (with any degree of flexibility) would cost excess of $400. And when most armies Appocalypse boxes allow you to field a 1500 point army for $200 or less - it just feels ridiculous.

So you guard players out there - how do you field an army without breaking the bank? Is it possible? Am I exaggerating the cost? Don't play guard but just want to chime in with something irrelevant?

FashaTheDog
17-10-2008, 09:18
Don't play guard but just want to chime in with something irrelevant?

So we can remain on topic by talking about Rogal Dorn's planter's worts?

As far as a cheap 1,500 point Guard army, you can focus on Grenadiers and Stormtroopers using the plastic Cadians. A few tanks can add variety but if you buy used, such as from ebay or off of someone at your LGS, then you may be able to build a bigger Guard army for less.

By the way, is GW redoing the US site again? I went to price this out and there were no products found or articles found.

Shangrila
17-10-2008, 09:30
Well if you play using the grenadiers doctrine and take 0-3 stormtroopers as a troops choice you can get your compulsory choices out of the way very cheap. then fill remaining slots with vehicles or sentinels. with apocalypse out you can get 10 sentinals for 175 USD or the tank company for 275. Armored company is chapter approved and tournament legal i believe.

And if all else fails you can either buy an army second hand, or buy the Infantry company apocolypse box on ebay for 350 and its got enough for easily 2000 points or more.(that and its like 700 dollars worth of models)
it comes with 120 guardsmen,6 heavy weapons team boxes(which make well over 36 actual teams) an Hq squad, 4 officers, and 4 or 6 special weapon blisters.

Unclejo
17-10-2008, 09:37
If your not adverse to using non-GW stuff, theres some great 28mm historical plastics which look the part with a little converting.

elite_dannux
17-10-2008, 09:49
check out these models. they are good looking and rather cheap.
i think that they are 28mm to so ther should not be any problems with diffrent scales.

you might want to do some conversions though, esp special/heavy weapon switches.

http://www.pig-iron-productions.com/order.htm

keatsmeister
17-10-2008, 10:41
If your not adverse to using non-GW stuff, theres some great 28mm historical plastics which look the part with a little converting.

This (http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156726) thread has some tasty ideas

Mech Infantry and Armoured Companies are quite cost effective. If you like Ogryns, Ogre Kingdom Leadbelchers convert quite nicely, a decent sized unit can help fill out a force nicely.

Check out some of the discounted mail order sites (http://warseer.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=124). Every little helps ;)

Wolflord Havoc
17-10-2008, 11:18
Buy the Battalion Box sets, 2 at first then 1 at a time (as funds become available)

Each box set allows you to build 1 Tank, 3 mortars, 3 tripod heavy weapons (leave the weapons - lascannon/Auto cannon/heavy bolters loose !) as well as 3 missile launchers for your squads.

Using the 6 ‘kneeling’ models from the heavy weapon sprues, the 20 ‘shock troops’ and the ‘Tank officer model’ from the Tank equipment Sprue you can build an entire 25 man platoon with 2 figures left over. With 2 Battalion box sets, and an officer blister pack – you now have the core of your army. Two 25 man Platoons, a Metal officer + 4 members of the command squad as well as 2 Leman Russ tanks.

Further Box sets allow you to build heavy weapon Squads for your command platoon, then a couple of veteran squads, then a 3rd inf. Platoon and so on. I splashed out on Powerfist officers for my Command and Veteran Squads as well as Plasma and melta gunners (though is very easy to turn the plastic flamer supplied on the basic Cadian sprue into a plasma gun by cutting off the flamer nozzle as well as the hose and replace it using the end of a Space marine plasma pistol)

Of course unless you are planning on building up an apoc army 3 Leman Russ tanks is enough - so you could sell extra tank kits on eBay….but you won’t, you’ll build them, and lovingly name them.

Sadly yes this “2 Box set” Approch probably starts to approach the 100/$200 mark but it’s an irrefutable fact that once you go Guard…….its very difficult to go back and the “100/$200 mark” is only the start of a Guard army induced credit crunch.

Before you know it you have a Guard army with a full company of Guardsmen (Full command Platoon with 4 weapon squads, 3 inf. Platoons, 3 Veteran Squads, Heavy Weapon Platoon, 3 Leman Russ, 3 Forge world Hell hounds, 3 Forge World heavy Mortars, 2 Squad of Kasrkin and a Stormblade) with out really planning to have done so. You then droll over the Forge World vraxian renegades and start a Renegade army which requires more Imperial Guard Battalion sets to feed your addiction.

And there are people in far far worse shape than this.

I know people with entire tank formations backed up with multiple artillery batteries, and super heavy tank companies – that they might just use once or twice a year…….

You have been warned.

the1stpip
17-10-2008, 11:27
Can you use Armoured Companies?

With the new rules needing infantry to take objectives, isnt this a bit pointless.

But yes, buy from ebay. My catachans were quite cheap (even after buying Cadian heads to convert them) and buying from Indie sellers can get you 15-20% off rrp.

totgeboren
17-10-2008, 11:33
I would say go slow.

You could see it as "how much money do I need to spend to get to the xx pts mark?", but you could also see it as, "How long will it take me to get to the xx pts mark?".

If you spend about 100$ every month, you will need 2-3 months to gather a standard army. With guards it will take 3-4 months instead, but then again, you get alot of models, and that takes time to paint.

Also, second-hand will cut the cost by quite alot, so it you can get the foundation of the army second-hand, it wont be so heavy on the wallet.

Wolflord Havoc
17-10-2008, 11:43
I would say go slow.

You could see it as "how much money do I need to spend to get to the xx pts mark?", but you could also see it as, "How long will it take me to get to the xx pts mark?".

If you spend about 100$ every month, you will need 2-3 months to gather a standard army. With guards it will take 3-4 months instead, but then again, you get alot of models, and that takes time to paint.

Also, second-hand will cut the cost by quite alot, so it you can get the foundation of the army second-hand, it wont be so heavy on the wallet.


I second that advice

shin'keiro
17-10-2008, 11:52
How do you start guard without breaking the bank?

One word - EBAY

Bunnahabhain
17-10-2008, 12:11
Avoid Forge world.

That's the easiest way to make Guard cheaper to collect.

Forge world designers love Guard, and turn out all sorts of really, really nice models: tanks, infantry, walkers, flyers, artillery, and other bits as well. You can easily do several complete IG armies in resin.

Unfortunately, , FW stuff will work out significantly more expensive than normal plastic Guard. I'd guesstemate about twice the cost of standard models, for an average army.

Durandal
17-10-2008, 12:19
Don't worry. All the banks are already broken :p

Sceleris
17-10-2008, 12:41
Wolflord has got it pretty spot on (including what happens when you browse FW!).

The two battallion boxes will give you the basis for a decent IG force - then you can consider how you wish to develop it.

Alessander
17-10-2008, 14:22
Try bitkingdom.com. They can get the apoc deal battleforces for you for 30% off GW retail. You can get 3 sets for the price of 2!

shinankoku
17-10-2008, 14:37
I started my IG army back when Warzone released its $40 usd boxed set with 80 good looking figs (40 future-retro kaiser and 40 future-retro Brits - all look very genre-appropriate.) Obviously; you can't do this anymore w/ warzone, BUT there are still plenty of good-looking CHEAP alternatives ... start with those, build up your GW stuff after.

Vorenus
17-10-2008, 15:57
I did exactly what Wolflord Havoc suggested. By the time I'd painted all the stuff in the Battalion box (whew!) I'd saved up enough for some more figures. Cadians come up all the time on ebay, as do Russ and Chimeras. Also some ebay shops sell new kits which they've split out of the Battalion boxes and you can save money there too. I started off adding Tallarn cos I liked the cool models, but they are metal only and quite pricey, so bear that in mind if you want to deviate from Cadians. Also - read the doctrines part of the Codex carefully and try to decide whether you want to use any. No sense buying models you can't actually use.

Ubermensch Commander
17-10-2008, 16:41
How to start guard without breaking the bank? Why, that is simple! Steal them!
I jest, of course.
Buying used armies really helps as does going with the Greandiers doctrine, though I am not sure if that will still be viable in the future. Taking Armored fist squads as a second troop choice helps as well.

Waywatcher-
17-10-2008, 16:43
I take youve looked at discount stockists. you can cut 15 percent of that price if not.

Waywatcher

clanfield
17-10-2008, 16:52
2 boxs of shock troopers 1 chimera

gives you cmd platoon cmd squad( i used the armod cap head for office ),1 platoon (cmd sqd,2 squads)(i used the bare head for the junior officer)
1 armourd fist squad
tyhe buy a battalion box and the russ and make up 3 heavy wepon squads (1 mortar,1 heavy bolter ,1 missle launcher)
2 spare bodies for future projects

MasterGideon
19-10-2008, 12:10
I made a 1500/2000 Pts Guard army with the following for 150quid

2 x Cadian Battleforce Box Sets
1 x Cadian Infantry box set
1 x Leman Russ Demolisher

It takes a bit of sorting out, but you can make a really balance army using all the bits from that as it gives you 3 leman russ tanks, 2 heavy weapon platoons, 2 command squads and upto 5 imperial guard squads.

But depends but you mean without breaking the bank, 150quid sounds alot, but all that together give you a good starting postions, and give you a good sound base to add too.

MasterGideon

vinush
19-10-2008, 13:02
I got 2 Batallions (not at the same time, obviously) a box of Cadian infantry, a blister of officers.

That gave me roughly 2k points of vanilla guard.

\/ince

jason_sation
19-10-2008, 15:22
I got 2 Batallions (not at the same time, obviously) a box of Cadian infantry, a blister of officers.

That gave me roughly 2k points of vanilla guard.

\/ince

I just recently bought a hellhound, and apparantly it has all of the parts for the Chimera, with a small box of metal hellhound bitz thrown in. That's nice because for 10 dollars more than the regular Chimera, I've got two vehicles! (not at the same time though).

FashaTheDog
19-10-2008, 20:59
Well if you play your game right (perhaps wrong) you could use it as two vehicles if you keep one in reserve and do everything in your power to have the one on the table be destroyed before the other comes on.

Firstborn
19-10-2008, 21:15
Stay away from specialised Guard. My 2000 point Vostroyan army cost me about 500 (lots of FW though - Bombards, Heavy Mortars, and a Macharius Vulcan). My Krieg Grenadiers were even more expensive!

Bog standard Cadians are definitely the way to go.

jason_sation
19-10-2008, 22:42
Well if you play your game right (perhaps wrong) you could use it as two vehicles if you keep one in reserve and do everything in your power to have the one on the table be destroyed before the other comes on.

Haha! That would be a tough one to explain if I rolled for reserves, and the Chimera couldn't come it!

Vic
20-10-2008, 02:17
Dont want to hijack this thread, but making a new post wouldnt make sense so...

I have 6 boxes of Cadians (thats 120 cadians), one box of Heavy weapons, 30 Stormtroopers (also see use in my GK army), 80 Warzone figures made into IG, 2 sentinels, and a stand in for a Bailisk. What should I put on my "needs" list?