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txamil
17-10-2008, 19:40
I'm looking for some model suggestions for an Asian themed Warriors of Chaos army. I'd like aChinese look more than Japanese look if possible.

Anyone have any ideas?

Lordsaradain
17-10-2008, 20:12
Marauder horsemen could be pretty asian themed I think. Turn them into mongols. All you really need to do is greenstuff the eyes right. :)

ZeroTwentythree
17-10-2008, 21:07
Are you talking about GW models or are other manufacturers OK?

Tokamak
17-10-2008, 22:09
I want them to have the exact same models and rules like the Dark Elves, and oh, I also want them to have the same name.

txamil
17-10-2008, 22:53
Non-GW is fine, and I agree the Mauraders are great. I've found some cool wizard models, Its the warriors and Chosen, etc that are giving me trouble.

Aurellis
17-10-2008, 23:13
How about LOTR Harad for Marauders?

Eldramesha
17-10-2008, 23:21
The Harad models look more Arabian than East Asian, plus they have a lot of bows.

Goose
18-10-2008, 02:07
Are you implying that the current WoC are like Asians? They are European Barbarian themed. (Vikings, Goths, Vandals.) Wulfric the Wanderer is Wotan the Wanderer, a Norse God, which all of the barbarian Pagan religions were very similar. Chaos Warriors are like Romanticized Vikings with horned helmets, such as seen in the movie pathfinder. Maruaders generic barbarians. Chaos Knights and Horsemen for Slavic steppe horse peoples, like the Scythians (Yeah they didn't have heavy cav, but still, some did.) Its just a run at you and attack theme.

I get such a Euro-barb vibe from them. I have no idea how to make them Asian at all. Harad models?

Last Edition
18-10-2008, 02:55
I disagree that the WoC cannot fit an Asian themed army. The "normal" WoC are a mix of Norse (marauders) and Kurgans (chaos warriors), but there is another chaos warrior race called the Hung, which raids the eastern side of the chaos wastelands, Cathay. The Hung, which are in fact chaos warriors, could wear samurai style armours and various other asian themed units could just replace the marauders. Easy. I think this is a cool army idea, nice one OP.

Here are some links to Asian style miniatures:
http://www.oldgloryminiatures.com/products.asp?cat=53

http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/main.asp

PS. I think Wotan the Wanderer was an Saxon (German) God, and Pathfinder wins 1st prize in faliure in depicting norse vikings, even Romanticized Vikings hehe. I still chuckle when I think of that piece of crap movie :)

Orcboy_Phil
18-10-2008, 03:09
Are you implying that the current WoC are like Asians? They are European Barbarian themed. (Vikings, Goths, Vandals.) Wulfric the Wanderer is Wotan the Wanderer, a Norse God, which all of the barbarian Pagan religions were very similar. Chaos Warriors are like Romanticized Vikings with horned helmets, such as seen in the movie pathfinder. Maruaders generic barbarians. Chaos Knights and Horsemen for Slavic steppe horse peoples, like the Scythians (Yeah they didn't have heavy cav, but still, some did.) Its just a run at you and attack theme.

I get such a Euro-barb vibe from them. I have no idea how to make them Asian at all. Harad models?

Yes the current models are, but what about the Kurgan (Russians) Wei tu, (Fu) Man Chu, Mung... etc. None of whom are western European barbarians.

txamil
18-10-2008, 04:01
Yeah what Orcboy_Phil said.

Eldramesha
18-10-2008, 04:10
Isn't Kislev supposed to be Russia? The Kurgans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurgan) are more Central Asian (Turks or perhaps Caucasians)

mistformsquirrel
18-10-2008, 04:33
Hmm...

Here's my thoughts:

Convert the current Warrior models. It'll be a fair bit of work, but I can't think of any better way of doing it (which doesn't mean there *isn't* one - but I don't have any idea how).

Here's how I'd do it - Firstly, trim the cuffs off the boots and gloves and try to greenstuff a bit of armor on those parts instead. The main armor will need to be trimmed down in places as well - try to trim the kneepads down and remove the back flange so that they look more like loose pants stuffed into the boots. Probably will require some greenstuffing as well.

The chainmail hanging between their legs aught to be fine though. I recommend coloring the armor fairly brightly - yellow, orange, green, etc... something along those lines.

The fur on the cloak is... problematic. Furred cloaks aren't improbable to rationalize with a Chinese motif, but the armor underneath the fur is blatantly European in design, so I'd file the fur down and work on the shoulders to trim them down like you did the knees. Then greenstuff a less-enormous fur pattern over that.

You'll also want heads - some of the Marauder heads will work - especially the ones with goatees and topknots. You may also consider looking for (rather large) historical Chinese figures with helmets akin to this (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://allancient.com/files/Bronze_Warrior_Helmet_Chinese_05.jpg&imgrefurl=http://allancient.com/bronzewarriorhelmet_02.html&h=1080&w=797&sz=564&hl=en&start=7&sig2=AUag8MG4QTXWF9I-tgWrsA&usg=__Zs2TGr189GwSpZFYyNgS8RNhlVk=&tbnid=fAGY8FjgF_Kq4M:&tbnh=150&tbnw=111&ei=2lf5SIiXMYfYNLG8vSE&prev=/images%3Fq%3DChinese%2BHelmet%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den% 26sa%3DG)

You might also get away with filing down the horns on Marauder heads to get a fair look.

Weapon-wise you'll want to stick to swords and axes, working the hilts and heads a bit to lend them to a more Asiatic look. Swords your main concern is going to be the hilts - trim the crossguards back so that its only slightly bigger than the blade, and perhaps consider trimming the blade just a bit so that its thinner. (Not too thin though, its not a rapier!)

You can also use banner poles and various bits that come in the Warrior kit to make various polearms if you like, such as a Shaolin Spade topped with a Chaos Star on one end.

Shields, you might be able to get by with Orc shields, but I'm not sure - you need round shields; that much is certain; and they have to be big enough to fit Warriors of Chaos; but at the same point the current tower-shields just aren't the right shape at all.

I hope that helps a little, good luck! Chaos is everywhere - mwahahaha!

RossS
18-10-2008, 06:37
The Haradrim are prehaps not ideal as representatives of some eastern contingent of Chaos barbarians, but I suspect that the Khandish warriors and horsemen could be put to good use as marauders.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1290053&prodId=prod1090019&rootCatGameStyle=

Does anyone know how drastic the scale different is between the two ranges. The Lord of the Rings guys might just be too petite.

Griefbringer
18-10-2008, 11:02
Good old Aekold Helbrass might look nice for a character.

Orcboy_Phil
18-10-2008, 11:05
Isn't Kislev supposed to be Russia? The Kurgans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurgan) are more Central Asian (Turks or perhaps Caucasians)

Yes they are Caucasians, however the Caucasus region is in Russia. Russias a very big country you know :D Also the Cacasus are in Europe and not Asia.

As for the orginal question have you tried these http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/.

Pokpoko
18-10-2008, 14:04
whoever suggested Old Glory is a bad,bad person, i'm sure OP would prefer models that don't make you want to bleach your eyes.
aanyway, easiest way to have far east theme is to find the miniatures for The Legend of Five Rings(i think magnificent egos have the rights right now), or if' your not afraid to fork heavy cash, use the skorne from Hordes. ok, they'r all jap more than chinese, but aside from a few historical companies there isn't really a large market for chinese models.

They are European Barbarian themed.i'd say they'r conan themed, as they look to nonsensical to be attributed to any real source:angel:

Chaos Knights and Horsemen for Slavic steppe horse peoples, like the Scythians (Yeah they didn't have heavy cav, but still, some did.
scytians weren't exactly slavic, in fact they existed a good deal of time before any slavic tribes. i'd say they were more mongol than slavs. plus scythians had heavy cavalry iirc, well, as heavy as those times permitted really(they used kontos i'm sure):p

lilljonas
18-10-2008, 15:05
Some manufacturers of historical 28mm Chinese miniatures:

http://www.renegademiniatures.com/qin.htm

http://www.johnjenkinsdesigns.com/AUH.htm

http://blackhat.co.uk/catalog/index.php?cPath=121_147

http://www.theassaultgroup.co.uk/store/home.php?cat=55

I'd mix in some Mongols too, but then I really like Mongols. :)

txamil
19-10-2008, 19:54
Thanks for the suggestions everyone, especially lilljonas. There are some good models there. Perry's Chosun line is pretty good too. I definately have a lot to think about. I was also thinking of using HE chain legs, Men at arms heads, and I don't know what body if I was going try and stay in the GW range.

But I probably won't. I rented Mongol today. Maybe I'll get some ideas.

lilljonas
19-10-2008, 21:28
But I probably won't. I rented Mongol today. Maybe I'll get some ideas.

So-so movie, but awesome inspiration for Mongol armies. Nice scenic views too. :)

damn Mongols don't dismount every time they fight! Arrrrgh!

Cypher, the Emperor
19-10-2008, 21:39
Just remember that alot of these models are a bit shorter than GW stuff, so most of them wont mix well with standard marauders and your army will end up looking very midget-like. Personally, I would just learn how to greenstuff Chinese style padded armor (alot of people do this for Chaos Dwarfs) and go to town on some warriors. I would then do some simple head swaps for the warriors (for un-bearded marauder heads) and then maybe alter their swords a little bit.

But if you want to go the route of buying historicals, then make sure to do your army in entirely the same scale.

Also check out Reaper for character miniatures.

Chaos Undecided
19-10-2008, 21:40
There's one vintage Chaos Warrior with the moniker "Hatchetman" or similar that had a semi oriental heavy armour style to him. Probably very difficult to get hold of him now though.

Khorghan
19-10-2008, 22:14
A lot of the people posting here are getting it wrong, just because its an asain themed chaos force doesent mean its the *********** chinese army with chaos rules, the hung are born in the saddle barbarians, they dont wear fancy chinese helmets or samurai clothes.

NornTyrant
20-10-2008, 05:01
I think it is a pretty tough job. IMHO, I don't think that is a good enough Chinese theme army out there for you. The only good one is the Qin soldiers posted earlier in this thread. They are quite good but the scale is a bit small (close to the Foundary scale than GW).

If you can accept a Japanese, I would recommand the Perry's. But I think their Japanese army is better suited in the Empire rules than Chaos.

As Khorghan mentioned, a Eastern Barbarian WOC does not neccessary be a Chinese army, it depends in what you want.

txamil
21-10-2008, 14:45
Thanks for the suggestions everyone! I'm going to have to think on this some more.