PDA

View Full Version : your least favorite race



spartainubzy
24-10-2008, 02:02
hey i was wondering what evryones least favorite race was

Triggerdog
24-10-2008, 02:04
Daemons. Damn dirty satan beasts

TheSilentProphet
24-10-2008, 02:07
inb4 everyone hates Tau

Now that that is out of the way, I guess I could say my least favorite to play against would be Nids. Stupid #&$^#*#@ monstrous creatures

Sister_Sin
24-10-2008, 02:15
Orks. I can't stand 'em. Although bugs come in really close, really, really close.

Sister Sin

vigilant_fiend
24-10-2008, 02:24
I cant stand the imperial guard! Im not saying they are no fun to play, theyre just kinda boring. Lots of regular guys instead of a few superhumans or elite eldar, they just dont hold a lot of appeal to me.

Firaxin
24-10-2008, 02:41
WTFBBQ why aren't tau an option?

Hmm... after tau, I'd have to say Witch Hunters because of their annoying faith rules (who also aren't an option... even though you've made a distinction between 'regular' and dark eldar...

Wraithbored
24-10-2008, 02:45
marines because they're in the colours of the rainbow and they look like buzz lightyear and there's too many people playing em. boy will there be flames for this one.

Kulgur
24-10-2008, 02:49
I think pretty much everyone at my local GW knows of my hatred of Eldar and Marines by now :)

cailus
24-10-2008, 02:50
I'm sick of Marines.

I don't mind the Space Wolves but the rest of them give me the proverbial sh!ts.

I'd have the Marines wiped out to next to nothing and put more focus on the Imperial Guard as the true defenders of the Imperium. Marines get relegated to an 0-1 Elites choice for Guard.

Horus38
24-10-2008, 02:52
Down with the Imperium in all its forms.

More aliens ftw :cool:

The Laughing God
24-10-2008, 02:53
Yea, I don't care for marines either. To many people play them. It gets boring facing the same stuff over and over again.

Wraithbored
24-10-2008, 02:53
Down with the Imperium in all its forms.

More aliens ftw :cool:What even Squa...

Captain Hajime
24-10-2008, 02:54
I hate Nids and Necrons. I never played nids but i never liked there style. and necrons i hate playing because i play Guard against them and i killed eight warriors and monlith on my best showing.

Captin Korea!
24-10-2008, 02:55
Tau, there JSJ and railguns make them unpleasant to play.

CULCHAIN
24-10-2008, 02:55
I do not like the Squats. Damn dirty space dwarves.

devik
24-10-2008, 03:08
Dirty Tau.

Sarevok
24-10-2008, 03:09
Eldar. Everything about them is annoying. The fluff, the rules and especially the players.

Sekhmet
24-10-2008, 03:14
I'm not a racist; I hate everyone equally.

It's also a check box poll, not a radio button poll, so I clicked all of them.

CommissarKlink
24-10-2008, 03:15
Necrons. Stupid toaster-headed losers. If I had a billion dollars, I would play an army of every faction in every GW core game, except Necron. They have no personality and the most limited scope for customization.

I was tempted to say "humanity", but I'm actually quite fond of IG and just hate marines. It's only in real life that I dislike humanity in general.

senorcardgage
24-10-2008, 03:17
Necrons, I just find them exceedingly dull

Warforger
24-10-2008, 03:17
I'm sick of Marines.

I don't mind the Space Wolves but the rest of them give me the proverbial sh!ts.

I'd have the Marines wiped out to next to nothing and put more focus on the Imperial Guard as the true defenders of the Imperium. Marines get relegated to an 0-1 Elites choice for Guard.

I'd argue the same that guard aren't really the true heroes of the Imperuim, sure they do more damage then marines, but then again if Marines weren't keeping the enemy busy they'd have there asses kicked easily (too much time to set up actually). As such Marines can handle alot of things on there own, Guard just do more Damage when they set up supply lines and stuff, which marines don't really need much quite frankly

I don't really hate any army that much really, but if any army would get close it would be Chaos Marines, mainly because they keep saying 'ha ha Ultralosers!! Chaos is Roxxorz!" when it really comes down too, is there really much diffrence between Ultra's and Black Legion? I mean, both have biased fluff, there on the cover on every box except legion/chapter specific set, and they both have 200+ point characters....

Dach
24-10-2008, 03:21
1- Necron (voted this)
2- Tau
3- Tyranids

Warp Zero
24-10-2008, 03:29
What exactly is being asked here?

Least favorite army or race? There's a difference. Plus, are we talking about what we like the least when it comes to fluff or when it comes to playing against them? For me its . . .

Fluffwise:
With the fluff, I like all the current races. Even Necrons and Tau. I like them all. But if I had to pick one it would be Squats. Yes, there's already space demons, space elves and space orcs, why not space dwarves? But that's exactly it, since there is already space elves and orcs, I feel that there's a limit of cheese that's already been reach and that one more fantasy race in space will be the last straw. Now, if they re-invented them and called them (dare I say) the Demiurg and made them look different. Sure ... okay.

To Play Against:
The Necrons. I believe the Res Orb to be seriously overpowered and broken. My opinion of course. Its already an extremely hard job just to kill Necrons without that Orb, but with it ... coupled with a player with basic common sense, crazy silly powerful. I would love it if GW made the Res Orb like the Dawn of War rts game. Like, maybe once per game, all fallen Necrons within 12" get automatic passed WBB rolls or FNP rolls. Whatever they end up going with.

Least favorite Models and Minis:
The Dark Eldar of course. ;)

AngryAngel
24-10-2008, 03:31
Necrons are insanely boring to me. So I'd have to hate them most. Now love to hate would be chaos, those slimey evil beasts.

ernest101
24-10-2008, 03:43
Eldar. Everything about them is annoying. The fluff, the rules and especially the players.

i do admit some eldar players are real geeks, but so as space wolves :angel::angel:

Grindgodgrind
24-10-2008, 04:06
Right now, Marines, because the new codex is GW bending over every xenos player whilst shouting "YOU SUCK" in their ear. And I've played Marines for 14 years.

weissengel86
24-10-2008, 07:25
I dont like Orks and eldar (or dark eldar) while at least they have some interesting fluff (eldar not orks) they bother me with their obvious copying from fantasy universes. Eldar are simply elves IN SPAAAAACE!!!!!!! Orks I think are rather stupid. "Our technology works because we believe it works" is beyond retarded and so is the fact that they actually pose a threat to any other race with advanced technology. Ork built technology and guns especially space craft should be so utterly inferior that they should be a minor race.

Not to mention the immensely idiotic "space biker dwarves"

Imperialis_Dominatus
24-10-2008, 07:40
All that does not pay fealty to the God-Emperor of Mankind must be purged with fire and steel. For the Golden Throne! Slaughter them all!

My chief archenemy is Tyranids, for they cannot feel good, honest human hatred. :mad: Kill them! Kill them all! Burn their bodies and hear the death-rattle of the thrice damned Hive Mind!... after they eat Ultramar of course.


WTFBBQ why aren't tau an option?

Because they're so insignificant that they're lumped with every other insignificant alien race out there. That's why. :p

I try not to dislike Marines because of the new Codex. I choose instead to dislike GW for not knowing how to write good, balanced background.

djinn8
24-10-2008, 07:57
I don't understand why anyone even mentions squats as a hated race - they don't exist anymore, just like slann don't exist any more. There's no one here slating the slann after all. In fact it is because the squat suck so bad that GW decided to scrap them off to stunty biker hell.

Personally I hate Necrons. I don't mind the fluff, but as a force they are dull, dull, dull... Every other race in 40K can be customised in a hundred different fluffy ways, but not Necrons. And without the customisation, the game loses it primary narative purpose.

primarchvulken
24-10-2008, 08:47
Down with the Imperium in all its forms.

More aliens ftw :cool:

Up the imperium we shall cleans the foul filth of xenos from this galaxy:skull:

primarchvulken
24-10-2008, 08:49
All that does not pay fealty to the God-Emperor of Mankind must be purged with fire and steel. For the Golden Throne! Slaughter them all!.

FOR THE EMPEROR! PURGE THE HERETIC!

Imperialis_Dominatus
24-10-2008, 09:11
FOR THE EMPEROR! PURGE THE HERETIC!

That's what I like to hear.

By the way, I liked the pic your avatar came from in the new Codex. Especially the tabard.

Kulgur
24-10-2008, 09:29
What even Squa...

Damnit don't you know that mentioning the Squ... I mean, "That Race" resets the timer for when they'll get redone? :p

pringles978
24-10-2008, 10:04
tau or nids. tau sit and shoot, dull. nids force you to sit and shoot, dull.

and if i get one more nid player complaining that i never move off my baseline, im going to run him over. i want to move, but your on me in turn 2 and if i get first turn and move, its sooner.

TimLeeson
24-10-2008, 10:10
I dont get why people hate necrons so much. Wouldnt play em but I think they have great backround and iv seen plenty of really awesome conversions and beautiful armies - playing wise ? yeah I guess they are pretty limited and boring there and I'd agree with you on that aspect.

Personally I hate all of the armies for being so disgustingly...symetrical *shudder*

elf_hater_7
24-10-2008, 10:36
i voted nids. their whole character is basically *gribble gribble munch*

Tokamak
24-10-2008, 10:42
I really don't like the Dark Eldar. Not the models, not the background, not the way they play. They seem very forced to me.

I think the Tau are pretty decent, provided that they continue their expansion and form alliances with more alien races. They're a great back door to get niche alien types into the game.

Durandal
24-10-2008, 11:12
Yeah, Tau is a bit of an omission in light of recent threads. Like others, I voted humanity for their ubiquitous nature.

Eryx_UK
24-10-2008, 11:16
I voted Other, for the Tau.

totgeboren
24-10-2008, 11:43
Fluff-wise, Nids and Necrons both got the problem of being character-less. They don't really have any personality of their own.

That is boring in my mind.

On the tabletop the only unit I have any problems with is the Dark Reaper Exarch with a tempest launcher (or whatever its called, the guess-range blast weapon) and crack shot.

I guess its ok when I play my guards, but i mean, he can easily wipe out a full unit of marines per turn. Much easier than a Leman Russ or Vindicator or other tank that costs 2x as much as him, and needs direct LoS.

Just plain broken compared to the rest of the Eldar army.

Otherwise I think all the armies are fun to face. Though necrons needs a redo. My chaos marines just go right trough them with the new close combat rules, and my guards struggle immensely since they are not as good in cc.

DonKarst0n
24-10-2008, 12:13
Tau are missing on the list.

'nuff said.

AdmiralDick
24-10-2008, 12:35
frankly i'm a little surprised that DE aren't ranked higher!

generally there is a lot of dislike for 'evil' elves archetypes because they are usually seen as being a very lazy invention.

personally i voted for Necrons. i don't particularly dislike any race in 40k (in fact the greater diversity the better as far as i'm concerned), but i feel the Necrons have been a really sloppy introduction.

they are supposed to be the most advanced race ever, but they lack any specialist equipment that would suggest that. we are told that they don't use warp power but we are left clueless as to what other source of energy they uses, as every other race uses the warp to a fairly serious degree. there relationship with the C'tan is frankly absurd, they worship them as gods for inexplicable reasons, and don't seem to gain anything from this bargain. both parties seemed to loose out by transferring to living metal bodies, so you'd have thought that they'd have fallen out over that, but apparently not. (why the C'tan don't have souls is not something we are told about, which can only lead us to believe that soulless organisms are quite common which makes the Necron's personal crusade a little ridiculous). then there is the issue of why they look like human skeletons and not like the Necrotyr? and what on earth Pariahs are supposed to be is anyone's guess. how is Necron technology and human evolution supposed interact? and why? why would the Necrons look at one of their most hated enemies and say to themselves, 'self, you know, we could stand to be more like them'.

and if we ignore their sloppy background we are left with a fairly dull and lifeless army list. A++ for variety in that one.

however, as i said i don't hate any race, and i don't hate Necrons. they have a lot of potential and with a few tweeks to their background (specifically their relationship with the C'tan) and a update of their army rules they could be a pretty spanking army.

Beastlord Karankawa
24-10-2008, 12:51
I agree that DELDAR are the bottom of the barrel. Let that dying race die all ready. :)

Sidstyler
24-10-2008, 13:34
I hope I'm not disturbing your Tau-hating circle jerk, but I voted humanity. Partially because of genuine dislike, but mostly out of spite for all the "dirty Tau" ********.

**** Space Marines.


and what on earth Pariahs are supposed to be is anyone's guess. how is Necron technology and human evolution supposed interact? and why? why would the Necrons look at one of their most hated enemies and say to themselves, 'self, you know, we could stand to be more like them'.

...actually I have to pull a "wtf" here myself, I'm not sure I "get" pariahs, either.

Colonel Fitzgerald
24-10-2008, 13:39
I'm sick of Marines.

I don't mind the Space Wolves but the rest of them give me the proverbial sh!ts.

I'd have the Marines wiped out to next to nothing and put more focus on the Imperial Guard as the true defenders of the Imperium. Marines get relegated to an 0-1 Elites choice for Guard.

I have some sympathy with that.... my question to GW was simple - WHY THE HELL GIVE THEM ARTILLERY?! Their answer, evasive. My interpretation of that answer; to sell more marines to 9 year olds.

Mercer
24-10-2008, 13:47
Eldar in all forms. Tau are close.

Mercer

Lucky
24-10-2008, 13:54
A new low for 40k general, wastes ahoy!

Shadowheart
24-10-2008, 13:55
Necrons. They've got no background to speak of, only "We serve the C'tan and so do you". The sleek space skeleton look is alright, but it's pretty much all the model range has going for it. That and gimmicky green rods. The Monolith's a really poor design, especially by the standards of GW's vehicle kits.

The Necrons feel unfinished, presumably their next overhaul will make them a lot more interesting. I just hope they retcon the C'tan retcon of doom and give the actual Necrons a backstory instead. The faceless unstoppable horde thing is already covered by Tyranids and Space Orks, which is enough of that.

avatar of kaine
24-10-2008, 16:19
i voted for marines because some chapters are alright but i hate all the little kids thinking that the only SM are UM and all others are weaker or don't exist and we all know little kids are all powergamers and they can't paint even half decently (probably with exeption).




...actually I have to pull a "wtf" here myself, I'm not sure I "get" pariahs, either.

this is off topic but priahs are mean't to be the necronsideal for humainty other than DEAD because priahs are the necrons slaves or somthing like that.

Azriel45
24-10-2008, 16:26
Tau aside... Necrons. Mainly because i feel they have much greater potential than the rules currently give them.

Ubermensch Commander
24-10-2008, 16:29
Necrons. Their background is sloppy and forced into the 40K mythos. Admiral Dick actually posted a rather good summary of their fluff is sadly lacking. It fails, utterly, to suspend my disbelief. Mianly with the C'tan and this aethestic and science focused racesuddenly...."worshipping them" and requringing giant space leeches to "give" the Necrontyr the secrets to necrodermis tech and consciouness transferral...tech the Necrontyr ALREADY HAD. Then there is their play style...or the lack thereof. Their army seems to thrive on ignoring the special rules/standard games rules of the game. Cannot blow up weapons(monolith),Tank hunter doesnt work(ohhh the GIANT GLOWING CRYSTAL is just a tree ornament? Really?) weapons that ignore BOTH invul/regular saves, having an item that ignores the few things that can negate WBB(oh gee could I have an item in my army that lets me ignore the downsides of my army in a radius?*note* the real problem here is that you see a res orb in virtually each and every Necron force.), teleporting out of close combat, and the Gauss Rule. The gauss rule, IMO, was a stupid move on the part of GW. Giving the basic gun the ability to hurt ANY vehicle, really made special weapons choices almost redundant on Necrons. I would love to see Necron warrirors get some variation. How bout an immortal or pariah leading them? Anything? Anything at all? Blah.

Anyway-Forced background, dull to play against, dull to play with, boring. I think with some tweaking. First admit they lost the War in Heaven, ditch the C'tan as star leeches and have the Necrontyr have personality. I would prefer if the Necrontyr had turned their race into weapons of living metal out of bitter need rather than having the used care salesman of the C'tan approach.
*C'tan* Hey, my Necrontyr buddy! I got a deal for you! I am going to use the Necrodermis tech you have and enslave you body and soul to me! And all you have to do is serve me for eternity! *Necronty* Oh boy! Where do I sign up??!


I also have come to hate SoB and their dirty rotten excorcist tanks and faith points...fie and pox on them! *Note* not really serious here, I'm just bitter about my Tyranid big critters getting MOWED down so quickly. =)

I have developed a strong dislike for Chaos, but that is due to the endless sobbing over 3.5 codex and the fact that after reading the fluff, most of the Legions just seem so....whiny. Bahhhh daddy didnt love me LET THE GALAXY BURN!!!
Night Lords still rock though. Ave Dominus Nox!

Imperialis_Dominatus
24-10-2008, 17:51
I hope I'm not disturbing your Tau-hating circle jerk, but I voted humanity. Partially because of genuine dislike, but mostly out of spite for all the "dirty Tau" ********.

**** Space Marines.

It is delicious fan-hate.You must read it!

Come come now, don't be bitter. You and I have seen eye to eye on some topics before, but now you insist on being spiteful?

Why so serious? It's only a game. :p

The SkaerKrow
24-10-2008, 18:21
I voted Chaos, because I've always thought Chaos Marines were rather redundant in WH40K. Also, I've never really been much a fan of the Four Powers in either Warhammer setting.

leonmallett
24-10-2008, 18:24
I don't really have a least favourite race. I probably have a least favourite model range, or least faourite opponent to face, but not an overall least favourite race. Where was the 'none' choice?

luchog
24-10-2008, 19:56
Imperium, particularly Space Marines. I don't like the decadent militant theocracy concept, it's far too overdone, and the GW version is just a rehash of all the various stereotypes. It's boring. Space Marines in particular annoy me, mainly because of the intense focus that GW puts on them, giving them more support and attention than all other races/armies combined; and the fact that they have been consistently overpowered since 3rd Edition. There is always something in the SM that is game-breakingly overpowered (asscannon of doom, anyone?). It annoys me especially that the vast majority of players play SM. It makes the game fairly monocultural, and it's boring to keep facing nearly the exact same enemies over and over. IG has suffered from some of the same broken mechanics (min/max lascannon), although not as badly. And the SM designs are just plain goofy-looking. Not as bad as DE, but still pretty lame.

The only exception to that has been Sisters of Battle. The Witchhunters codex has added in a bunch of stuff I dislike about the Imperium, but the SoB themselves have actually managed to break out of the straightjacket a little, and are a bit more balanced, with better designs. I could do without a lot of the vehicle designs, but the troops themselves are well done.

Aside from that...

I like some aspects of Chaos, others not so much. I am not familiar with the latest incarnation, so I can't really speak to that one way or the other.

Tau have some terrible aesthetics; but I really like the concept, play style, and what fluff exists for them.

Necrons have great potential, and I like the designs of everything except the Monolith. They could really use a lot more attention, and more options; but overall aren't bad.

Tyranids are great, always have been. Not much to say about them.

Orks are good, and inject some much-needed humour into the game without breaking the overall theme (they're a lot less silly than they were in 2nd Ed). And unlike others, I do like the low-level-psyker-race "if they believe it works, it works" concept. It fits the game, and fits the concept of the Orks.

Eldar do suffer a bit from the usual Elves and "dying race" stereotypes; but manage to twist it enough to be interesting; and they have some of the best designs in the game. The Harlequins especially are a great concept, and it's nice to see it revived, even if in only a limited fashion. I also really like the playstyle, using a number of different, highly specialized units working together; instead of minor variations of the same "does everything well" SM concept.

Dark Eldar, again, have most of the same strengths and flaws as Craftworld Eldar; but have the absolute worst designs in the game, bar none. The Raider isn't too bad, but could be better. The troops suffer far too much of the worst sort of Heavy Metal design. They'd look more at home at a GWAR concert. Hopefully, the new designs will remedy that.

chronos-creations
24-10-2008, 23:05
Necrons are boring.

Supremearchmarshal
24-10-2008, 23:17
Tau because they don't really fit into the background IMO. Don't particularly like their models either. However, I do like the Kroot.

Necrons are fine, but the C'tan I hate because they were just shoehorned into the 40k universe and everything was made into one of their ploys.


My chief archenemy is Tyranids, for they cannot feel good, honest human hatred. :mad: Kill them! Kill them all! Burn their bodies and hear the death-rattle of the thrice damned Hive Mind!... after they eat Ultramar of course.

I don't care much about the Tyranids, but I love Genestealers (Space Hulk nostalgia)


I try not to dislike Marines because of the new Codex. I choose instead to dislike GW for not knowing how to write good, balanced background.

Ha ha, well said! Makes me ashamed to play Ultramarines. I'm seriously thinking of having them turn renegade.

Dexter099
24-10-2008, 23:25
Nothing wrong with anyone except for humanity in 40k. For some reason, in 40k I have to play the badguys. I will never play the good guys, never.

Gearux
24-10-2008, 23:35
Dark Eldar and Necrons. I just don't think they are imaginative

Sidstyler
25-10-2008, 00:45
It is delicious fan-hate.You must read it!

Come come now, don't be bitter. You and I have seen eye to eye on some topics before, but now you insist on being spiteful?

Why so serious? It's only a game. :p

I know. :p I don't even really hate Marines, but it seems like a damn topic comes up like this every week and it's always the same. :o

Just want to tip the scales a bit, which in itself is kinda retarded since there's not really any shortage of Marine hate out there, especially post new codex.


Dark Eldar and Necrons. I just don't think they are imaginative

All the more reason for an update. :D


Tau have some terrible aesthetics; but I really like the concept, play style, and what fluff exists for them.


Hmm...when you say aesthetics do you mean the look in general or just a couple models in particular? Because I personally love the tanks, but the crisis suits could do well with a makeover.

ReveredChaplainDrake
25-10-2008, 01:02
I don't really like Humanity because of this one line in the 3.5 Chaos Marine codex describing Khorne. It went something like "Though the galaxy is poised to destroy him at every turn, it is mankind's greatest irony that he is just as willing to turn his weapons on his kin as they are their enemies." Mankind just can't seem to get along enough to fight cohesively. I also don't like the new fluff of Chaos Marines, who are also technically human, because they're just whiny kids (and apparently quite wishy-washy, if they only serve their patron until the banner guy drops the flag) who only care about themselves. Reeks of teen rebellion, rather than the 10,000 years of pent-up spite they had in 3.5.

Acerbus
25-10-2008, 03:30
i said humanity for the marines. i like the original dark, gothic fluff of them, but they've turned into pretty much superheroes with guns and brightly colored armor which irritates me, that and games workshop always gives them the best everything.

Firaxin
25-10-2008, 03:49
For some reason, in 40k I have to play the badguys. I will never play the good guys, never.
:eek::eek::eek:

There are good guys?

Grendrill
25-10-2008, 06:31
Eldar, I had a bad experiance playing against them once and hated them ever since.


Stupid WraithLords are a pain in the @$$.

Wait, whats the censorship like on this forums :S

avatar of kaine
25-10-2008, 08:57
Dark Eldar and Necrons. I just don't think they are imaginative

thats becausew there DE come from 3rd ed and they are still on there second codex.
necrons- i think they only came out in what 2004 so are still on there first codex.
chaos deamons however are differen't because GW can nick some of the CSM fluff and add a little bit more.

Tymell
25-10-2008, 09:14
None of 'em.

Sorry, I really couldn't pick any, I love all the 40K races around right now. Certain aspects of GW's treatment of space marines might not be perfectly to my tastes, but as a race overall I don't dislike them.

Devil Tree
25-10-2008, 09:53
I voted other for Tau too. I can't understand why they weren't added, plenty of people don't like them.

Sidstyler
25-10-2008, 10:40
Yeah, that's why they don't sell well and you never see anyone play them.

Wait a minute...

I'd really like to see something to back this crap up, lots of people say "no one likes them" and I could just as easily say the same about Marines or any other race in the game and it'd mean just as much. It's completely unfounded and I wouldn't be suprised if it was flat out untrue.

Okay so that might have been a tad redundant at the end.

DarkFilth
25-10-2008, 12:26
I picked marines because I'm getting bored of playing against them in EVERY game.

The're getting way too over used and everyone plays them.

jason_sation
25-10-2008, 14:03
I voted Eldar. Not coincidentally, elves are my least favorite race in a fantasy setting.

Firaxin
25-10-2008, 18:16
Yeah, that's why they don't sell well and you never see anyone play them.

Wait a minute...

I'd really like to see something to back this crap up, lots of people say "no one likes them" and I could just as easily say the same about Marines or any other race in the game and it'd mean just as much. It's completely unfounded and I wouldn't be suprised if it was flat out untrue.

60% of the players out there can have a space marine army. That means 40% of the players could hate space marines. Which is alot.

Same goes for tau. If 30 or 40% of all players have a tau army, that leaves potentially 60-70% of players to hate them.

Certainly enough to classify "plenty of people."

Tymell
25-10-2008, 20:16
60% of the players out there can have a space marine army. That means 40% of the players could hate space marines. Which is alot.

Same goes for tau. If 30 or 40% of all players have a tau army, that leaves potentially 60-70% of players to hate them.

Certainly enough to classify "plenty of people."

This is true, but not much of a counter-argument to the general point.

Marines are the most popular army out there. If indeed 60% of players are marine players (which I could well believe, even though I don't see an actual source for that figure), that means 40% could hate marines. 40% of all players is enough to classify "plenty of people". Therefore, it would be fair to say "plenty of people" hate all races. As such, the distinction for Tau specifically doesn't mean anything.

Victomorga
25-10-2008, 21:14
I really don't like the Dark Eldar. Not the models, not the background, not the way they play. They seem very forced to me.



frankly i'm a little surprised that DE aren't ranked higher!

generally there is a lot of dislike for 'evil' elves archetypes because they are usually seen as being a very lazy invention.



agreed on both points. they have the worst model range (I think even most DE players would agree with that), and I've never thought much of their fluff. a lot of people don't like the necrons, and while I don't agree I do concede the point that they aren't very well fleshed out; however, they are distinct from their fantasy counterparts, and feel like an attempt at an expansion of the 40k universe instead of a weak attempt at launching a new model range to accompany a game box release.

I think if they hadn't been pushed on people through their inclusion in the 3rd ed. box set, there would only be a small fraction of the number of DE players seen today. I wouldn't say they should be discontinued, but they need a MAJOR overhaul, including retconned fluff as well as revised list, top to bottom, and resculpts of almost their entire range.

and lastly, in defense of the necrons: I think the lack of individuality and general uniformity of their troops makes sense with their background. just like skeleton warriors in fantasy, one model doesn't necessarily stand out from the next. they premiered as a full-fledged force around the same time as the tau, and I think it's pretty apparent which of the two GW put more work into.

The_Dragon_Rising
25-10-2008, 21:19
Necrons, being the boring marines in my eyes which takes some doing.

Acheron,Bringer of Terror
25-10-2008, 21:28
Necrons tyranids and tau ... each of those is plain and boring IMO.

moreover they do not give 40k world any interesting plot, background and feel.

getting rid of them would be better for the wole 40k universum. just like they do with squats.

Victomorga
25-10-2008, 21:45
I have to say I am surprised by all the anti-tyranid sentiment. not liking playing against them I can understand, and as an extension of that not liking their rules. but not liking their fluff or not feeling they contribute anything to the 40k universe at large is a sentiment I didn't expect and frankly don't understand.

Grubnar
25-10-2008, 21:54
I voted for the Eldar because I hate all elfs, in any form or setting.
That includes the Dark Eldar and the Exodites, harlyquins and outcasts. They are all gay, pranzing, pointy-eared space elfs!
:p

Victomorga
25-10-2008, 21:57
Necrons tyranids and tau ... each of those is plain and boring IMO.

moreover they do not give 40k world any interesting plot, background and feel.

getting rid of them would be better for the wole 40k universum. just like they do with squats.

wouldn't be much left if you had your way. would you prefer a massive scaling-down of the 40k universe, or would you replace these races / armies with other new ones?

the neckbone
25-10-2008, 22:10
lame dirty puny humies

AdmiralDick
25-10-2008, 22:19
this is off topic but priahs are mean't to be the necronsideal for humainty other than DEAD because priahs are the necrons slaves or somthing like that.

oh right. that clears things up :confused:

i don't see why they don't just say that Pariahs are then next step in Necron technology and have nothing to do with humans what so ever. it would make a lot more sense.


Necrons. Their background is sloppy and forced into the 40K mythos. Admiral Dick actually posted a rather good summary of their fluff is sadly lacking.

why, thank you very much.


Mianly with the C'tan and this aethestic and science focused racesuddenly...."worshipping them" and requringing giant space leeches to "give" the Necrontyr the secrets to necrodermis tech and consciouness transferral...tech the Necrontyr ALREADY HAD.

this is certainly one of the biggest issues with the relationship between the Necrons and the C'tan. if we some how over look the small factor of the Necrontyr hating all forms of life, we can just about manage to assume that the Necrontyr gained some kind of new weapon against the galaxy in the form of the C'tan, but i can't see why this was much more then them keeping pet lions. there is no very logical step for the Necrontyr to suddenly be utterly in awe of the C'tan simply by meeting them.

*Necrontyr and C'tan meet for the first time: Necrontyr 'hey, we're the Necrontyr, masters of technology!' C'tan 'hey, we're the C'tan... we don't have hands... and can't interact with solid matter... so we know about as much about technology as a sea cow does.' Necrontyr 'oh, right. you're on the naughty list.'*

potentially, we could imagine that the C'tan couldn't give a monkeys about the Necrontyr or their stupid little plan, but are devious, pernicious creatures and conned the Necrons in to the whole scam, ('sure, we can wipe out all life in the universe (aside from yourselves and us of course), but we can only do it if you get into these heavy diving suits). but that would completely eliminate anything to do with the quest to end all life in the galaxy.

the whole thing just needs a serious rethink to make it water tight.


Then there is their play style...or the lack thereof.

to be fair, most of that only needs a little bit of rebalancing to sort out. a change in the wording of the WWB rule here and we'll see all non-necron armies (and maybe even a tomb spyder HQ choice) and a shift of points for the Orb there and we'll see players making a real choice between an Orb and another unit.


The gauss rule, IMO, was a stupid move on the part of GW. Giving the basic gun the ability to hurt ANY vehicle, really made special weapons choices almost redundant on Necrons.

again, just to give them their dues, this is probably the only thing that does make sense about the necrons. they haven't got anything else on the battlefield that screams 'we have superior technology!', other than the fact that everyone carries a special weapon. that really is the stuff that dreams are made of (who doesn't want a Hrud army where everyone carries a plasma weapon?). the problem is that it is now woefully out dated and needs to be revised, and 'real' special weapons need to be on offer that make for genuinely appetising alternatives. (again though, considering their hatered for all living things, you'd have thought that a poisoned weapon might have been more appropriate as it will take down all forms of infantry the same.)


I don't really have a least favourite race. I probably have a least favourite model range, or least faourite opponent to face, but not an overall least favourite race. Where was the 'none' choice?

get of the fence leonmallett!

what's the matter... chicken?;)


Hmm...when you say aesthetics do you mean the look in general or just a couple models in particular? Because I personally love the tanks, but the crisis suits could do well with a makeover.

i know that not everyone agrees with me, but i personally feel that the basic fire warrior is in dire need of a change. the models are a mixture of no detail and detail too fine for an average joe to paint. i believe that is the main reason why there are so many poorly painted tau armies out their.

if we compare them to a similar product, the Cadian plastics, they have a near perfect silhouette, and their poses are easily the most dynamic, action packed and realistic out of any plastic kit, but their armour is some how too smooth and the crumples of their clothes are too fine. their knee pads and feet and hands are a nightmare too paint and their limbs are so thin it makes gluing them together a very risky job (i don't think i can count the number of polycement scarred models i've seen, i've even done it myself thinking 'it can't be that hard'.)

with a decent revision and a slight change of scale (i don't want them to be human sized) they would be much better.


I voted Eldar. Not coincidentally, elves are my least favorite race in a fantasy setting.

whilst we are on the subject my least favourite is the Vampire Counts, because they look like sweaty, hairy teenage boys cheap t-shirts they bought 'off the market'. disturbingly, i was one of only two people at Warhammer World that was dressed in a casual shirt, and i was the only person wearing a colour that wasn't camo-green. its the side of the hobby that i relish least.

my second least favourite would be Dwarves and then High Elves, because some how they are just never done right. they are much more appealling in Mordheim, LotR and Confrontation.


agreed on both points. they have the worst model range (I think even most DE players would agree with that), and I've never thought much of their fluff.

i actually really like the DE, although i will admit that their mini range lets them down a lot. but that's why its a hobby, so that you can convert your own.

my point was that often people poor a lot of scorn on the idea of 'bad' elves because they see it as being an attempt at using a short cut to form diversity. personally i think that their are plenty of 'evil' elf archetypes out there that work really well; the drow aren't the only incarnation. the Nys and to an extent the Skorne from Hordes are near perfect, the Romulans (and Remans) from Star Trek are pretty good and just think about Snap, Crackle and Pop! okay, maybe not that last one.


however, they are distinct from their fantasy counterparts,

you definitely can't be talking about the Dark Eldar any more.


Necrons tyranids and tau ... each of those is plain and boring IMO.

moreover they do not give 40k world any interesting plot, background and feel.

i remember when the 2nd ed Tyranid codex can out. they made the 40kiverse come alive. it now felt like a really expansive universe, and made for a threat that could finally rival Chaos (to a lesser extent Necron's totalitarian goals offer the same). whilst they still may have had all the gothic, fantasy horror they were a real threat from space, making them much like a H P Lovecraft foe.

successive codexes have somewhat muffled that idea, but it is not gone. its just hiding, in cyclopean granite tombs, at the deathly pressures of the sea-floor, beneath the sickly mud and ten thousand leagues of crashing waves.

or something like that.

Orbital102
25-10-2008, 22:28
hey i was wondering what evryones least favorite race was

I'd never tell you what kind of threads to post or not to post, and I don't want to lecture. That aside... I was just wondering what purpose this question serves considering that it's serious flame bait around here and just gets people insulting one another's armies? I'm a bit more interested in helping hobbyists appreciate other options and choices rather than crystalizing some pre-conceived idea of "good" and "bad" armies.

Victomorga
25-10-2008, 23:18
however, they are distinct from their fantasy counterparts, and feel like an attempt at an expansion of the 40k universe instead of a weak attempt at launching a new model range to accompany a game box release.





you definitely can't be talking about the Dark Eldar any more.
.

I was saying that the necrons have a distinct background separating them thematically from their fantasy counter-parts, and that the DE seemed half-baked upon their release and too similar to their fantasy counter parts for my liking.

I've never thought much of GWs handling of the theme of "evil elves," in fantasy or in 40k. also I find the "paint it black" D&D elves with the red eyes and white hair to be... not to my liking, we'll say.


I'd never tell you what kind of threads to post or not to post, and I don't want to lecture. That aside... I was just wondering what purpose this question serves considering that it's serious flame bait around here and just gets people insulting one another's armies? I'm a bit more interested in helping hobbyists appreciate other options and choices rather than crystalizing some pre-conceived idea of "good" and "bad" armies.

ordinarily, I would agree with you and only monitor this thread to watch it devolve and eventual get shut down. but pretty much everything so far has been quantified with "I think" or "in my opinion," and nasty comments have been limited to gentle ribbing.

__ALEX__
25-10-2008, 23:23
I would say space marines (not humanity as a whole) not because of their rules/models/whatever but because they are over-marketed and -developed at the cost of other existing 40k armies (and potential new armies). also I think it's somewhat silly that there's more space marine chapters with their own rules and characters than there are imperial guard regiments.. given that there's only 1000 marine chapters and millions of guardsmen across the galaxy!

but like I said, it's more because they're shoved in our face so much than any other reason. gaming-wise I don't have a problem with them and have quite a collection myself :)

Sir_Turalyon
26-10-2008, 01:38
Tau. So detestable they don't even have entry in this poll - cheers to original poster :) .

Acheron,Bringer of Terror
26-10-2008, 01:39
wouldn't be much left if you had your way. would you prefer a massive scaling-down of the 40k universe, or would you replace these races / armies with other new ones?

current versions of necrons and tyranids are uninteresting in this setting.

necrons have 'it's c'tan's work' badge which turns their entire concept in a joke.

tyranids also utilise very common idea as 'bugs from space just like in Starship troopers or Enders Game'. Genestealers concept was far more fresh and interesting. Also Orks better suit tyranids role as 'threat able to change chaos'. Orks are unique.

tau are minor race which is promoted by force. and face it, manga settings do not suit 40k, no matter how strong children of the east want it. i understand marketing plot, but really it's pushing it IMO.

about replacing ... necrons and nids [or thb genestealers cult] could potentialy stay after fluff and army composition changes. there are already more interesting concepts that need their book first [imperial church, admech and chaos mutants&heretics comes to my weird mind atm]

Durath
26-10-2008, 03:12
necrons have 'it's c'tan's work' badge which turns their entire concept in a joke.

Whilst I don't rate them as my least favorite, I agree with this.

When I first read the preliminary fluff on them, I thought the C'tan would wind up being something like sentient "borg" or "skynet" consciousnesses from an incredibly ancient race that was almost defeated, and hibernated in secret locations before they were wiped out..

When I read that they were "Space Vampires" made from spontaneous stellar energy that formed intelligence, all I could do was drool, and not from amazement... from shock. Shock that such an ill-conceived idea (IMHO) would actually become cannon GW fluff.

But we have Space Elves in this game, so, whatever.

The good news is that, based on the rumors I've read, it sounds like they are going to give the Necrons and C'tan a less dramatic bond in the new Codex. It sounds like the Lords are going to become those "consciousnesses" I was looking for from the start, and the C'tan will be treated as more of background entities, that rarely pull the puppet strings directly now that the race is awakening on its own.

That's what I'm hoping at least...

Sidstyler
26-10-2008, 03:58
60% of the players out there can have a space marine army. That means 40% of the players could hate space marines. Which is alot.

Same goes for tau. If 30 or 40% of all players have a tau army, that leaves potentially 60-70% of players to hate them.

Certainly enough to classify "plenty of people."

Wow, made-up statistics! You've sure shown me the light.

Still not what I'm looking for, I want proof. Hard evidence. I want an actual representation of Tau sales in comparison to other armies. I want a detailed survey taken from every GW and indie store in the US that asked what your main army was. I want someone to put their money where their mouth is instead of making up ******** and telling me "No one likes them."

Otherwise I could just say "60% of all Warhammer players hate Orks" and I'll be just as right as you are.


getting rid of them would be better for the wole 40K universum. just like they do with squats.

Getting rid of any one of them should, and probably would, kill the 40k universe as GW finally goes bankrupt and dies a horrible death.

I can't believe there are some people out there who still praise them for getting rid of Squats, that was the single stupidest decision GW ever made. You CAN'T release a full-fledged army with an entire model line and, seemingly, GW's full support, and then write them out just like that and invalidate a lot of people's armies.

Sure, go ahead and get rid of Tau, Necrons, Tyranids, and Dark Eldar (because Space Marines vs. Space Marines 24/7 makes a lot of god-damned sense, amiright?) If there's a god in heaven there'll never be another new edition of 40k or model release ever again after that. I don't want to see GW fail but if they were to ever seriously take some of this advice then I'd love for them to.

Actually, that wouldn't be enough. I think I'd rather see them bought out by WotC and 40k turned into a horrible clix game with pre-painted plastic figures. Something much worse than death. :rolleyes:


That includes the Dark Eldar and the Exodites, harlyquins and outcasts. They are all gay, pranzing, pointy-eared space elfs!


Can we try to avoid using the word "gay" like that? And not just because calling Eldar gay is an insult to real homosexuals...:p


i believe that is the main reason why there are so many poorly painted tau armies out their.

I've seen a lot of awesome Tau armies out there (personally I've seen way more badly-painted Marines than Tau...), so I really don't think there's anything wrong with the models and it has more to do with the painter's skill than anything. Of course everyone's entitled to their opinion, but I simply don't think there's anything wrong with them.

I'd agree that we need a new fire warrior kit though, with extra bits (and fix those god-damned legs). The one we have is kinda old. But other than that I'm not sure where you're coming from...how are the smooth armor and wrinkled clothing any different from Cadians (I've seen both sprues). Also, how are the fire warrior poses any less realistic than Cadians?


(i don't want them to be human sized)

...err, why? I think they look just fine as they are, why do you want them to be different? And I assume smaller, since it doesn't make much sense for them to be any bigger...

I don't really see any reason for it. Making them smaller would just make them even harder to paint at that, and that was apparently your whole issue with them in the first place. :confused:


but that's why its a hobby, so that you can convert your own.

There's more to the hobby than just converting your own stuff. And I think converting an entire army is just a little too much at that.


tau are minor race which is promoted by force. and face it, manga settings do not suit 40k, no matter how strong children of the east want it. i understand marketing plot, but really it's pushing it IMO.

What do you mean "promoted by force"?

Also, I'm not a "child of the East"...honestly I have no idea what the hell you're talking about there, but I like Tau. I really couldn't care less what you or anyone else thinks about the setting but in MY mind Tau fit just fine. If you don't like it, find another game, because I doubt GW is so stupid as to kill any race you personally don't like. And how would they do Tyranids anyway, are they going to eat themselves? :p

Also, as for anime/manga not fitting in, Space Marines have always given me that particular vibe ever since I saw them and they're the stars of the show, the whole game revolves around them. Yeah I realize the Tau were designed like that intentionally, but Space Marines don't look like they'd be too out of place in a manga themselves IMO.


Genestealers concept was far more fresh and interesting.

About as fresh and interesting as Alien.

Okay, I admittedly don't know too much about genestealers, I've not been all that passionate about Tyranids, but really...

Imperialis_Dominatus
26-10-2008, 07:19
I have to say I am surprised by all the anti-tyranid sentiment. not liking playing against them I can understand, and as an extension of that not liking their rules. but not liking their fluff or not feeling they contribute anything to the 40k universe at large is a sentiment I didn't expect and frankly don't understand.

I don't think it's overly surprising myself. I of course don't like playing them (short-range and CC CSM not doing too well by default against hordes, and when they have rending...), but that factors little into my fluff-dislike of them. I don't think they contribute nothing to 40k, simply that their contribution leaves a damn sour taste in my mouth.

"What's that? You're fighting Eldar? Necrons? Chaos? Your own corrupt so-called-allies? Doesn't matter, we're gonna eat you all and there's absolutely no way you can possibly overcome our massive numbers, not even with massive amounts of plot armor and handwavium. Haha, nananananana nananananana, we're gonna eat you after the Tau for appetizers (the only good thing there :p no offense Sidstyler)."

If it was still simply 'rumored' that there were hundreds more fleets out there or whatever unreasonable number it's at now, or that they are 'thought to' have eaten a dozen galaxies before ours... if there was some sort of effect the long distance between the galaxies has had on them (some sort of starvation, like the Nightbringer), if there were less damn gribblies... I'd be glad to accept them with warm loving arms into my 40k universe. But as it stands, the above sarcastic paraphrase of their fluff is presented at a God's-eye, undeniable third-person perspective that GW should really have not used. And that bugs me.

Every other race has some sort of weakness (bar Calgar :rolleyes:). But not Nids. I guess that's the crux.

Sidstyler
26-10-2008, 07:40
no offense Sidstyler)

Heh. :p

People can wish away Tau all they want, but it will never happen unless GW just really wants to commit suicide. Judging by all the price hikes on their new game table though it seems like they wouldn't mind that so much.

Still pissed off about that, too. I was thinking of going halvsies on it with my brother, but not anymore.

Shangrila
26-10-2008, 09:08
Depends on the context the only army i dont want any minis from is orks i hate them... but i love playing them since every guy with da orkyz always bez da fun to playz.

but second would be necrons no real attraction to them.

Firaxin
26-10-2008, 10:00
Wow, made-up statistics! You've sure shown me the light.

Wow, way to miss the point. Of course those are made up statistics, note my use of "can" and "could" and "if" and "potentially." Never "there are."

You said you didn't believe so many people could hate tau because they sell well. I don't doubt they sell well. 'Round my parts, they're the army all the new kids play, rather than space marines (or they were, until the new SM 'dex came out... :rolleyes:).

What I was saying was that just because they sell well doesn't mean a large portion of the gaming community doesn't not like them.

Look at political elections. If 32% of the people vote for candidate A (representing tau), 47% for candidate B (Space Marines), and 21% split among several other candidates... well, candidate A came in second place. Millions voted for him. Thus we can assume he's pretty popular. Does the fact that he was popular mean there weren't alot of people who didn't like him or preferred someone else? No.

And sales hardly even tell us anything. It doesn't tell us if someone buys tau only to come to despise them afterwards. And it doesn't tell us if people who don't buy tau despise tau or approve of them but don't have the money or time to start a tau army. All we can do is look at the percentage of people who don't buy tau, and say "Up to X% don't like tau." That's the best guestimate you'll get by looking at sales.

Bassik
26-10-2008, 12:05
I think Tau are very funny. Compared to the other bastards in the galaxy, they're the good guys, but in any other setting they would be the big evil.
The WH40K setting is so over the top grim-dark, that it's awesome.
I hate all the races, but I love to hate them. And I secretly cuddle my Typhus model. *hugs Typhus!*

vman
26-10-2008, 12:46
I voted necrons

Just because i was playing 40k when necs were introduced... and they were so bland when they first came out, and still to this day they seem that way to me...

However i have seen some KILLER awesome Necron armies with paint jobs to die for, and i think they are exceptions

2nd of all, i would say marines... even tho i collect them... they are just boring in a way... its not that they are really boring, its just that theres so many marine players out there that it makes my army feel less special

vlad78
26-10-2008, 13:08
TAU
definitly

vlad

Acheron,Bringer of Terror
26-10-2008, 13:54
Getting rid of any one of them should, and probably would, kill the 40k universe as GW finally goes bankrupt and dies a horrible death.

As i said before, getting rid of them would be not best marketing idea. it is good just good idea, sadly.

I can't believe there are some people out there who still praise them for getting rid of Squats, that was the single stupidest decision GW ever made. You CAN'T release a full-fledged army with an entire model line and, seemingly, GW's full support, and then write them out just like that and invalidate a lot of people's armies.

At first 40k was strange mirror of fantasy without focus and far less unique. Getting rid of space dwarf-miners was, in fact, very good riddance. From marketing and universe coherency standpoint. Sure, Squats as minor race - i'm all for this. Squats for 'counts as' army - i'm for. but Squats as stand-alone army is simply bad.

Sure, go ahead and get rid of Tau, Necrons, Tyranids, and Dark Eldar (because Space Marines vs. Space Marines 24/7 makes a lot of god-damned sense, amiright?) If there's a god in heaven there'll never be another new edition of 40k or model release ever again after that. I don't want to see GW fail but if they were to ever seriously take some of this advice then I'd love for them to.

You're bit depressed about space marines. And you failed to read and/or understand my post. p.s: i like dark eldars. p.s: i'm voice that told 'i want 1 loyalist marine codex and 1 chaos marine codex'. so you missed dude :P

Can we try to avoid using the word "gay" like that? And not just because calling Eldar gay is an insult to real homosexuals...:p

'Gay' i this meaning is sort of behavior, that is very comonn among majority of homosexual people i know. basicaly it's mix of femine and masculine behaviors. And no gay should be offended by this word, unless he feel inferior or have major complex about his sexual orienation. word.

I've seen a lot of awesome Tau armies out there (personally I've seen way more badly-painted Marines than Tau...), so I really don't think there's anything wrong with the models and it has more to do with the painter's skill than anything. Of course everyone's entitled to their opinion, but I simply don't think there's anything wrong with them.

not counting design [which is sometimes good mind you, it just do not suit 40k], there is nothing wrong with models. and 'unpained armies have more to do with bandwagon syndrome than it have with any army.

What do you mean "promoted by force"?

Also, I'm not a "child of the East"...honestly I have no idea what the hell you're talking about there, but I like Tau. I really couldn't care less what you or anyone else thinks about the setting but in MY mind Tau fit just fine. If you don't like it, find another game, because I doubt GW is so stupid as to kill any race you personally don't like. And how would they do Tyranids anyway, are they going to eat themselves? :p

'Children of the East' is term to describe humans from japan [and to lesser degree china], and those fascinated with said culture. it's not offensive :P promoting by force - just like in case of space marines :> You seems bit offensive. 'find another game' ? you really need to improve your discussion skill :P

Also, as for anime/manga not fitting in, Space Marines have always given me that particular vibe ever since I saw them and they're the stars of the show, the whole game revolves around them. Yeah I realize the Tau were designed like that intentionally, but Space Marines don't look like they'd be too out of place in a manga themselves IMO.

Even if there is some small part of manga influence, medieval knights, christian monks and armoured mercenaries play main roles in sm imagery

About as fresh and interesting as Alien.

Okay, I admittedly don't know too much about genestealers, I've not been all that passionate about Tyranids, but really...

You need to read more about genestealer's cults. Your knowlegle in this mattern is nill.

space-ork
26-10-2008, 14:40
My least favourite race has to be marines , nearly every single beginer I know collects ultramarines if you go to a beginer day there be so much blue it look like a mini little ocean. :eek:

harriak
26-10-2008, 14:46
My favorite race:

Zoats, I like them although they are missing, also kroots, vespids, and everyone that can help tau.

Harriak

max the dog
26-10-2008, 15:00
In order and why;
Tau They kicked my butt last night
Necrons Too dull, too bland and too many special rules
Eldar We have space elves but no space dwarves (squats)???
Humans Too many codex's devoted to one race
Tyranids No personality

Supremearchmarshal
26-10-2008, 15:42
My favorite race:

Zoats, I like them although they are missing, also kroots, vespids, and everyone that can help tau.

Harriak

Zoats are still in the background - check out Hive Fleet Colossus in the Tyranid codex. It's possible to proxy them as Tyranids (Warriors as the basic Zoats, Hive Tyrant for commander, Termagants for humans that have fallen under their influence etc.)

march10k
26-10-2008, 17:15
WTFBBQ why aren't tau an option?

Hmm... after tau, I'd have to say Witch Hunters because of their annoying faith rules (who also aren't an option... even though you've made a distinction between 'regular' and dark eldar...

Yeah, I wouldn't rank tau first, though I might rank "anklebiters who have tau as their first and only unpainted army whose codex they haven't read, let alone the BBB" as my least favorite opponents. It is suspicious that they aren't an option...but my least favorite ARMY to play against is crons. Boooooring. Except when my techmarine crumps the lord while piecing arms back onto my vennies. Hehe. Three venerable dreadnaughts with mechanic support are just sick against crons.

Barachiel
26-10-2008, 17:31
I would say that my least favorite race is the space marines. They just seem to be overly glorified. Don't take that the wrong way, they are really cool, but they just got a new codex in 04 and already have a new as soon as the new edition comes out? Why? Look at the other poor races with outdated codexs. ex: Guard, WH, DH, DE

Inach
26-10-2008, 17:40
I started with W40K like 1/2 year ago. Bought myself loads off Necron (I like undeads) and sadly... from day 1 it was boring. I play against good marines and Nid players. It was just to boring at the end, losing over and over again... because my army cant adept. To few blast markers against nids, no powerweapons, low AP guns within units.. and overall high point costs.
I love the fluff from necron and decided not to give up. It went a little better but never had a great victory... At that moment I wanted to give up or start a new army... And chaos was my second choise. And I LOVE it! great way to adjust your army to every thread, powerarmor, cc, long range shooting and deamons! :rolleyes:

So atm, I got 3.5k points necron doing nothing except looking cool. Maybe the new codex will make me try it some times again... but not if we dont get AP3 guns / markers.

Firaxin
26-10-2008, 18:51
Yeah, I wouldn't rank tau first, though I might rank "anklebiters who have tau as their first and only unpainted army whose codex they haven't read, let alone the BBB" as my least favorite opponents. It is suspicious that they aren't an option...
GENIUS!

I whole-heartedly agree.

Sidstyler
27-10-2008, 09:43
As i said before, getting rid of them would be not best marketing idea. it is good just good idea, sadly.

I don't think it's a good idea period, not just when it comes to marketing. It's GW's universe, they can and have rewritten things time and time again. Tau can always be "fixed" (even if I think they aren't broken), scrapping them altogether simply because you can't be arsed is just lazy and stupid.

GW needs to make an effort and get people interested in these races instead of giving up. If people hate OTT Tyranid fluff, tone it down. If Necrons are boring, give them new units and make existing ones more attractive, you'll see more lists. No one plays DE because there is no fluff and they haven't gotten a new model in 10 years, then give them fluff and models.

As far as Tau goes, honestly I can't think of anything myself that would make people like them more. Personally I'm of a mind that people will hate them just because of the imagery, no matter what the rules or background say (people just don't want manga/anime in "their" game) and you can't put skulls and spikes on them and expect them to fit in. But this is GW's game and their race, surely they could think of something if they really tried.


At first 40k was strange mirror of fantasy without focus and far less unique. Getting rid of space dwarf-miners was, in fact, very good riddance. From marketing and universe coherency standpoint. Sure, Squats as minor race - i'm all for this. Squats for 'counts as' army - i'm for. but Squats as stand-alone army is simply bad.

Good riddance in your opinion. No one seems to care what the Squat players think, I see. Much like how no one gives a **** what I'll think when I'm forced out of the game with nothing to show but a pile of now worthless plastic, so long as they can have "their" game back all is well.

It was bad because GW was too lazy to make it good. Jervis has said as much himself here (http://web.archive.org/web/20060129002420/http://forums.specialist-games.com/epic/forum_b/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=2532&whichpage=3), apparently. They didn't feel like making an army book, and seeing as they were obligated to do one by keeping them in the background, they simply wrote them out.

EDIT: And I'm sure you could say that it's for the best, since they shouldn't really be forced to work on a project they have no desire to do. But when they release a standalone army and give it their full support, I expect them to continue to do so. If not then why waste my money buying the models when they'll be no good once GW loses interest and stops making rules? Why bother wasting the time painting them if they'll just spend the rest of their days on the shelf never to be used in game again? Like Daemons for example, how many of you would be pissed off if you spent a fortune on a new Daemon army and then they changed their mind and never got a codex or new models ever again?

A lot of people like the Demiurg, so apparently the idea of "Space Dwarves" can't be that ridiculous when done right, especially since they've managed to keep Space Knights, Elves, Orcs, and all the other "WHF in Space" races in the game and make them fit in. Why can they have so many other Fantasy mirrors in the game, but when it comes to Dwarves it's "too much"? Never made much sense to me.


You're bit depressed about space marines. And you failed to read and/or understand my post. p.s: i like dark eldars. p.s: i'm voice that told 'i want 1 loyalist marine codex and 1 chaos marine codex'. so you missed dude :P

Depressed? I don't think you know what depression is then. Bitter, maybe, but I'm not going to lose sleep or kill myself over them.

And speaking of "failing to read/understand" posts, you're right. I am having a hard time understanding with all those typos and messed up grammar. "I'm voice that told"...err, what?

Sorry for being a dick, but you kinda brought it on yourself. :p


'Gay' i this meaning is sort of behavior, that is very comonn among majority of homosexual people i know. basicaly it's mix of femine and masculine behaviors. And no gay should be offended by this word, unless he feel inferior or have major complex about his sexual orienation. word.

If all the black people I knew were criminals then I guess I'd be 100% justified in labelling all blacks as such, yes?

You may know a lot of flamboyant gays, but I've met a few that couldn't be picked out in a crowd so easily. As for the offense I intended that to be a joke at the expense of Eldar players, hence the smiley...


not counting design [which is sometimes good mind you, it just do not suit 40k], there is nothing wrong with models. and 'unpained armies have more to do with bandwagon syndrome than it have with any army.

Well of course there's nothing wrong with models. But people buy those models with the intent of using them in games, which I can no longer do without a Tau codex as I refuse to use "counts-as" for an entire army. There is no other codex that can represent a Tau army anyway, none of them "feel" right, so I'd be a bit screwed even if I tried.

As far as design goes I actually don't like some of the Tau designs, which I hope can be fixed with another update. I like crisis suits, but they are kinda stupid looking and seeing as how they're used a lot I think they should have a much better model. The stealth suits are kinda...eh, they don't look that stealthy. Fire warriors are kinda boring looking but a recut sprue would have more bits to allow for different poses, heads, gear, etc.


'Children of the East' is term to describe humans from japan [and to lesser degree china], and those fascinated with said culture. it's not offensive :P promoting by force - just like in case of space marines :> You seems bit offensive. 'find another game' ? you really need to improve your discussion skill :P

So it's just a PC term for "weeaboo" I take it? Personally I do find that offensive, I don't like being labelled because of the army I play, not to mention it's 100% not true because I'm not "fascinated" by said culture (unless of course a love of giant robots counts, but are you going to call every kid who grew up with Transformers a "Child of the East"?). It's like calling Chaos players goths or emo kids and I can't believe anyone older than high school age would actually do that.


Even if there is some small part of manga influence, medieval knights, christian monks and armoured mercenaries play main roles in sm imagery


Not disagreeing on any particular point, I just think if you tried hard enough you could find something like Marines in anime. The sword fascination and oversized armor (especially pauldrons) remind me of samurai, personally. I even heard a guy compare the Marine in the DoW2 trailer to a samurai in how he followed through with his sword and cut the Eldar while he was being zapped to hell Star Wars style.


You need to read more about genestealer's cults. Your knowlegle in this mattern is nill.

That may be so, but I don't think I'm wrong in pointing out the obvious Alien inspiration in the genestealer plastics (or the old hormagaunts)...the fused fingers, "implant attack", and infact the entire biomechanical look of the Tyranid race as a whole. I'm not calling it a ripoff, but I think you'd have to be crazy to say they didn't think of those movies at all when they were designing them.


Yeah, I wouldn't rank tau first, though I might rank "anklebiters who have tau as their first and only unpainted army whose codex they haven't read, let alone the BBB" as my least favorite opponents. It is suspicious that they aren't an option...

And what about "anklebiters who have SM as their first and only unpainted amry whose codex they haven't read, let alone the BBB"? Considering the sheer popularity of Marines I'm sure there's a lot more of these than Tau.


Tau They kicked my butt last night

Well hell, in that case Chaos should be written out of the game because I keep getting my ass kicked by them. :p

Bloodknight
27-10-2008, 16:22
Voted Other, meant Tau.

Souleater
27-10-2008, 17:33
Chaos - in the new codex they really seem like whiny spolit little teenage brats. Space Marines are the heroes of the Imperium, get all the cool stuff, the glory, etc but these Traitors want to stomp off and slam the door to the eye of terror behind them because the Emperor is bossing them around.

"Wha! Wha! You are so unfair, Emperor!" Then promptly pledge themselves to a God.

Space Wolves - stemming from second edition where they were IMHO cheese-eating beardies. There is no enemy I love killing more than Space Wolves.

Except possibly Craftworld Eldar - who are insufferably arrogant despite clearly having kill-orgied She Who Thirsts into existence. But then keep banging on about how clever they are and looking down their noses at the rest of us.

And yes, I do realise that loving Dark Eldar given the above is a bit silly....but at least they aren't trying to sweep their passions under carpet. Just blot it out with the blood of others.

No...it is definately Space Wolves..... :D

kingofthesquats
27-10-2008, 18:01
Yeah, I voted other and meant Tau.

Orkeosaurus
27-10-2008, 22:42
I voted other/tau as well.

That's not to say I would want them out of the game (there's been enough armies invalidated already, thank you), but I would like to see some aspects of them redone.

I would say my main problem with them isn't that they don't fit in with the 40k universe, but that they're just really boring. They are pretty much the same as every other technologically advanced, athiest, communal, monolithic utopian race that exists in 3 out of 4 science fiction novels ever written. I swear, the tau have shown up in Star Trek at least every other episode (so that they can learn about how emotions make us human).

40K has a lot of sci-fi archetypes in it, ranging from "TvK: Tyranids vs. Kroot" to "Spacemarine Troopers 2," but all of their archetypes have plenty of stuff to make them unique, which the tau seem to lack. I think part of how boring they are stems from their attempts to be "realistic" in a game where being realistic is not only the farthest thing from the game's intention, but where being realistic means you will probably die within the next 10 minutes. There's not even a reason for the tau to have not been already killed off, besides unlikely events going in their favor.

A lot of people think that the tau need to be darker to fit in with the rest of the galaxy; I agree with this to a degree, but would add that the tau need to be darker just to be more interesting. They also need to actually have some problems. The rationale behind the Imperium's brutality has always been it being the only way to survive in an unforgiving galaxy, but the tau don't apear to have any such issues, and they escape a great deal of unpleasantness (Tyranids) while not making any sacrifices to do so.

I might be somewhat biased in this, as I have known some particularly annoying tau players; the ones who act like the're somehow smarter because of their army. Guess what: Star Trek is not hard sci-fi, and just because the tau put "ion" in the name of their technology does not mean that it works on any sort of scientific principles. The tau method of fighting is not realistic; they line up their army and engage in open-field firefights just like everyone else who thinks it's the battle of Gettysburg. I know they exist in every army, but the tau ones just come off as more arrogant then the 12 year olds who think their ultramarines are the greatest thing in the world.

While I actually like the Necrons okay, I hate the C'Tan. They leave tons of plot holes still open, and their place is already taken by the chaos gods. "Ah, so you're 4 ancient and unfathomably evil gods, who hate humanity, want to consume souls, and have legion of superpowered, hate-filled soldiers. Great, let me introduce you to the Chaos Gods!"

The squats are a little before my time, but I could see space dwarves not having much of a place between the space elves, the space orks, and the imperium. Stoic? Xenophobic? Traditionalist? So is the imperium. Advanced technology? Declining from greatness? Can't admit their faults? Eldar have it too. Really tough? Talk funny? Crazy machines? Orks. They're kind of stuck if they don't break away from the Dwarf stereotypes.

The Guy
28-10-2008, 00:13
Dark eldar. Emos in space...yawn.
While I admit that I find some parts of them interesting, they just seem to be the eldar version of 'chaos space marines' and that detracts from them being unique.

Second goes to tau, but only because battlesuits look stupid. Love firewarriors though.

TrojanWolf
28-10-2008, 00:15
Damnable mon-keigh zealots. They shall all see the torture chambers. Or the sharp end of a choppa.

Orkeosaurus
28-10-2008, 00:24
I would hate the Dark Eldar, but they've just gone so long without an update it's hard to really fault them. If GW ever gets around to redoing them, I would definitley expect some better fluff than "Eviiiiiil! Tortuuuuure! Druuuuuugs!" They're worse than the Chaos renegades (Death Shadows, watch out!)

I still think they have the potential to be cool though, and the lack of fluff they already have gives them a lot of room to work with.

Staurikosaurus
28-10-2008, 03:01
Space Wolves. Let's make space marine barbarians, give them the benefits of both imperial and chaos marine chapters but none of the drawbacks - have them tell the Inquisition to stuff it, refuse to follow the codex astartes in any way and call them loyal to the Imperium. Oh, and let them take Leman Russ tanks and more upgrades per squad for cheaper points.

Sounds like a totally balanced and fantastic idea for an army :rolleyes:

Ubermensch Commander
28-10-2008, 06:29
I would hate the Dark Eldar, but they've just gone so long without an update it's hard to really fault them. If GW ever gets around to redoing them, I would definitley expect some better fluff than "Eviiiiiil! Tortuuuuure! Druuuuuugs!" They're worse than the Chaos renegades (Death Shadows, watch out!)

I still think they have the potential to be cool though, and the lack of fluff they already have gives them a lot of room to work with.

HAhahahah oh man! Those are my vile brethren you are talking about there....but that line is frickin hilarious simply because it has a good deal of truth to it.
What I like about that "Eviiiiiil! Tortuuuuure! Druuuuuugs" (Henceforth abbreviated as E.T.D.) is that the Dark Eldar do it iIN SPITE of the horrible cosmic obscenity it birthed and as a necessity. Hedonism borne from fear. How very interesting. Throwing oneself into degradation because 1) By golly, thats the way the old boys did it and thats the way we are gonna do it and 2) because stop would risk facing that which you fear most. So I can forgive most of the E.T.D aspect of the Dark Eldar, though I agree their backstory needs to be more fleshed out.
Their society is very heterogeneous, being made up of a loose collection of Wyches, Mandrakes, Haemonculi and various other stripes of loony, whacko, and sociopath under the common culture of E.T.D. and powerful, cuning, and charismatic leaders. I think playing up more of the various factions and fleshing them out a bit would be cool. Needless to say...this would all be accompanied by a complete overhaul of the model range.:p

*note: they also have an arrogant "survival of the fittest" streak in them that calls to my inner Decepticon.

Orkeosaurus
28-10-2008, 06:43
No!

:D
I know, I know, souls exist in the warp which the C'Tan can't stand, but then what is it the C'Tan do consume? Essence? Life Force? As far as I know these things are not tangible; in most cases they're used identically to the word "soul." If they can't consume anything from the warp, then that leaves them consuming the material, physical bodies, right? But they don't do that, that's really more of a tyranid thing. That's part of the reason it just seems like GW is trying to redo the chaos gods.

Edit: I'm glad E.T.D is so popular!

AdmiralDick
28-10-2008, 11:28
I'd never tell you what kind of threads to post or not to post, and I don't want to lecture. That aside... I was just wondering what purpose this question serves considering that it's serious flame bait around here and just gets people insulting one another's armies?

personally, i can see the value in establishing what we don't particularly like. it helps us to see where improvements and concessions can be made. perhaps the purpose of this thread is not to berate any individual about his or her choice of army (that would be a fairly moronic thing to do), but to find out how players feel about certain background concepts, and how certain races are portrayed (on some level the bad-guys ought to be amongst the least favourite surely, other wise they are not doing their jobs!).

i don't think there is any reason to assume that this discussion has to devolve, purely by the question it poses. if it devolves it is down to people poor choices when posting.


I was saying that the necrons have a distinct background separating them thematically from their fantasy counter-parts, and that the DE seemed half-baked upon their release and too similar to their fantasy counter parts for my liking.

its cool. i wasn't being entirely serious. i was really highlighting the quote to indicate just how similar the DE and DE were.

personally, i have never really had an issue with Fantasy and 40k being the same thing set in different universes. i actually think its one of the great thematic strengths and what sets both games apart from standard Sci-Fi and Fantasy settings. but others disagree.


Can we try to avoid using the word "gay" like that? And not just because calling Eldar gay is an insult to real homosexuals...:p

this is somewhat off topic, but i see no particular reason why anyone should avoid using this particular meaning of the word gay. its not like it actually means 'homosexual', in the context it clearly has the 'aggressively annoying and/or needlessly, stereotypically camp'. the term has far more than one meaning and does not automatically carry either a value judgement or sexual connotation. in fact i have rarely every seen or heard the word used with both. it is either used to describe someone as homosexual in a totally non-judgemental fashion (like the magazine 'Gay Times') or in a non-sexual and judgemental fashion (like 'stop being so gay!'). the two are as unconnected as they are from the other meaning of gay, 'to be happy'.

essentially, i don't believe that any one party has a monopoly over words, and clearly the term 'gay' is used more often than not not to describe homosexuality. so we would do a lot better to simply accept the new meaning rather than assume it is wrong.

Sidstyler
28-10-2008, 11:36
i agree with this the tau needa be re vamped

You do realize that such a thing would take attention away from the Space Marines for a while, yes? :p

I'll agree with a revamp, all the people wanting to write them out can still go to hell, but a revamp would benefit everyone in my opinion, so I'm all for it. So long as they don't do a complete 180 with their background and make them all but unrecognizable, that is...like turning them into bloodthirsty barbarians who prefer to run people through with swords instead of shooting them for instance. But I love that little Ork codex blurb, "the war for expansion has turned into a fight for survival" or something like that. The whole heroic "fight for your life" thing that Space Marines, Eldar, and every other race in the game have going for them, everyone wants a setback and I myself wouldn't mind seeing them pushed back into their dense cluster of space and kept at bay by the other big armies. I'd like to see them brace for the encroaching Tyranids and Ork Waaghs!, being forced to change their style of warfare and fortify sept worlds they don't plan to lose. They could even turn the Dark Eldar into an arch enemy of sorts, I mean they're pretty much the anathema of the Tau way of life anyway.

They don't need to be destroyed, but pushed to the limit and taught a lesson.

Coasty
28-10-2008, 11:39
Admiral, I think the use of the word 'gay' in that sense does actually originate from it's use to describe homosexuals. It's very much a playground insult, used by kids to whom being 'gay' is much the same as being 'leprous'.

Danjester
28-10-2008, 13:09
Dark Eldar, for two reasons:

1) I hate the model range, they're really poor.
and
2) GW put next to no effort into the background, it's like they just said "screw it, Dark Elves in Space"

Razarael
28-10-2008, 14:19
This is my take on 'Least favorite.'

This is my list of favorites, in order of 'Most favorite to least favorite'

1. Eldar
2. Orks
3. Daemons
4. Some kind of Space Marine

Therefore, my least favorite race is Humanity. I haven't decided on which chapter I want to collect, as I don't know all that much about them. Yes, ladies and gentleman, I'm going to collect my least favorite race.

The other races, I'm highly indifferent about. I might have collected Tau, but my brother already has 8 million points of Tau stuff, and it's his army. So... Because he's my brother, I'm not allowed to play them (he's 25, I'm 23 - it's a brother thing). It's funny seeing people riled because of toys, though.

And having deep passionate feelings such as... 'hate.'

pinegulf
29-10-2008, 08:19
Squats. Bloody hard dudes.

Jagger
29-10-2008, 21:14
There's just to many orks, frag the lot of em

edward3h
29-10-2008, 21:24
I was quite upset about the Chaos Daemons codex - it seems to me the most blatant attempt to increase sales of a particular range. Beyond that, they have no equipment as such so it's quite hard to remember what abilities each unit has.

Tyranids is another army I can't imagine wanting to play - I can't get into the right mindset.

(The armies I do play are all human(ish) - IG, Sisters of Battle and Red Corsairs - so I guess I stick to what I can relate to)

AdmiralDick
31-10-2008, 19:38
Coasty, i agree that that may well be where the phrase originates. just as its definition of 'homosexual' originates from 'happy'. but that doesn't mean that it can't now be understood as an entirely new, separate meaning, regardless of origin. if the 'annoying' group can't use the term, then neither can the 'homosexual'.

and i also agree that the term is rather juvenile, but it is common. very common. in fact its one of the most commonly used insults that i can think of. and regardless of how juvenile it is to insult another person, it is clear that there is genuine implication of sexual preference when used in this context. as you suggest, i doubt very serious that any child genuinely believes a school friend has leprosy, when they accuse one another of it.

Ahra Returns
31-10-2008, 22:17
Space Wolves - stemming from second edition where they were IMHO cheese-eating beardies. There is no enemy I love killing more than Space Wolves.



This. This. This for a thousand times a thousand years until the very extinction of mortal flesh. Maybe I'm just unlucky, but back then every Space Wolf player I met ran the cheesiest armies in history. I can't get over it.

In fact I'd go so far as to say it's marred my perception of the ''Sons of Russ'' forever.. it's not even really their fault.

Aside from Space Wolves, I don't think I hate any army fluff wise. I don't particularly like powergamer armies but that's their choice (3rd Ed. Iron Warrior Obliterator/Vindicator cults spring to mind).

I'm probably in for a Dante's Inferno flaming.. but I've played Ultramarines for 10years now.. they just happened to be my favourite chapter for various reasons and I like their storyline. People cry about the marine codex.. and yes maybe it was a bit OTT.. there's no way the Blood Angels want to be Ultramarines..But back to my point; All Codicies claim their race is the best, their fluff is the most hope/doom filled.. try to take it with a pinch of salt. More info on the first founding Legions, like from the awesome Index Astartes, would be welcome (My Iron Hands demmand MOAR fluff.. not a special character like some have suggested).

Ask yourself; should I hate the Ultramarines, or should I hate the guy who says he's Imperial fists but is using Vulkan He'stan as GENERIC FIST CHARACTER 3777#?

Dark Eldar need more fluff, my 3k point Kabal is sat on the shelves bemoaning the loss of being able to consolidate into combat and thus needing a Codex revamp.. but I can't even hate them for their spiky thonged model design.

I hate to play Nid'Zilla's but I love the Nids themselves.

Maybe if I'm forced to pick.. it's Orks. Just as I've never had any desire to collect them. I haven't actually faced them with their new Codex.. I'm interested to see what it's like.

Nah, I'll pick humanity.. it covers both the kinds of players I disagree with and, more importantly: Those damn dirty dogs. :P

Imperialis_Dominatus
01-11-2008, 00:04
Every time I see an attempt to justify the blatant Ultrafap of the new Codex with 'all Codices say their featured race is the best' I die a little inside. It's not the same. Not at all. Not all Chaotics want to be Black Legion. Not all Eldar want to be from Ulthwe, the Craftworld of Witches Who are Even More Witches than the Rest of the Deviant Eldar Witches. And so on, for every race. Same with the rest of the Codex- there isn't another army in the background that's explicitly stated as the 'best of its kind' at everything except maybe, maybe Vect's Dark Eldar. The Ultramarines fanlovejoy in the new Codex is a ****fest abomination.

And that's why my least favorite race *cue drumroll, cause my opinion is SRS BZNSS* ...are the half-baboon/half-slug servitors injected with fail that have been writing GW's fluff lately.

Souleater
01-11-2008, 00:33
Yeah, but the baboon-slugs are FW only so you dont' see too many of them around.

Joewrightgm
01-11-2008, 00:43
Wow, no love for Necrons in the house. oh well, to each his own.

My least favorite race is hands down the Tau (which is odd, because game development terms, they're about as old as the Necrons as a codex book army).

They just seem like that kid in high school who was always happy and full of energy to the point where you wanted to knock their teeth in.

Besides that, I just don't dig the aesthetics of the army, and the play style doesn't suit me.

Dio´Ra
01-11-2008, 02:03
I vote Squats....good riddance to them :rolleyes:

CraftMonk
01-11-2008, 12:49
Tau - I'm not a fan of the playstyle

IronClaw
01-11-2008, 13:04
Well, play style I dont really know, but it comes to the lore I can stand the damn Tau.
Tau: "Hey join the Greater Good!" *Smiles anoyingly*

Human: "What is the Greater Good?"

T: "It's the Greater Good!" *Smiles anoyingly*

H: "I get that, but what does it incline?"

T: "The greater good" *Smiles anoyingly*

H: "Right, if you can't give me more than that I am going to keep with my Emperor who actually tells me whats in the profit of serving him."

T: "Too bad, we will have to eliminate you!" *Smiles anoyingly*
Just dont like the tau >.>

T_55
01-11-2008, 13:18
Necrons are receiving an awful lot of flack. Orks got it for me, just can't get to grips with them.

Sidstyler
01-11-2008, 14:04
Why do people keep dragging this topic up just to add "btw don't like Tau lolz"? I'm pretty sure it was on the second page even, just let it die already...


H: "Right, if you can't give me more than that I am going to keep with my Emperor who actually tells me whats in the profit of serving him."

Given the Emperor's current physical state I'm not sure he's really telling anyone anything. Maybe you were talking to some other golden throne guy, I dunno...

And about that smile, would that be the same annoying smile that Ultramarines wear because they're better than everyone and everyone wants to be just like them?

Salamander: "So why are you guys better than the other chapters?"
Ultramarine: "Because we wear blue armor. *smiles*"
Salamander: "So? We wear green armor, it's the same as yours."
Ultramarine: "But you want to wear blue armor. And no it isn't. *smiles*"
Salamander: "No I don't-"
Ultramarine: "Yes you do! All the chapters want to be like us, like Ultramarines. But they can't, because they're not Ultramarines, like we are, and they can never be Ultramarines. We're Ultramarines, and our armor is blue, and yours isn't. Crimson Fists are blue though, but it's not a real blue like ours, and they're not Ultramarines. *smiles*"
Salamander: "Whatever."
Ultramarine: "I love you Marneus Calgar!"

Bran Dawri
01-11-2008, 14:15
Necrons and Nids. No, actually, it's the Necrons' fluff I hate, and Tyranids' fanboiz.

SirSnipes
01-11-2008, 15:44
why all the necron hate?

Da Black Gobbo
01-11-2008, 15:53
My hate goes for the TAU, because in the grim darkness of the 41st milenium they still ask: why can't we be friends??

Da Beard
01-11-2008, 21:16
I dont like Tau nor Eldar there both filthy Xenos,long live men,long live the marine.Yet Nids suck almost as much,Eldar suck the most.

Xandros
01-11-2008, 23:17
My hate goes for the TAU, because in the grim darkness of the 41st milenium they still ask: why can't we be friends??

The question is more like "Can we have your stuff? For the greater good!". They only care for getting advantadge for their own ickle race and will never truly make a concession. Any truce is just pretense, any alliance is just gathering power. The Tau are as lying and backstabbing as the eldar are, and what is worse, they identify wholly with the greater good and do not realise any of this - being as faceless and soulless as the ideology they represent.

Thud
01-11-2008, 23:50
Necrons.

Why? Well, I only play 1500 point games and every Necron list I come up against is more or less the same, and it's not really the player's fault.

You have to have a Lord and two units of at least ten Warriors. There's one third of the army already. And with the rest of the army list, there isn't really a lot to choose between. Pariahs and Flayed Ones are basically non-existant. And in 5th, with the new vehicle damage table, I suspect I'll see more Heavy Destroyers. And what's left? A squad of Immortals, maybe some Scarabs, perhaps a Monolith, one or two squads of Destroyers and maybe a second Lord. And to make it worse, there are no squad leaders, so any chance of diversity between the squads is gone with the wind.

Against any other army I'm never quite sure what I'll face, but against Necrons the only question is whether or not I'll be seeing a Monolith.

But that's just me.

Sidstyler
02-11-2008, 02:48
The question is more like "Can we have your stuff? For the greater good!". They only care for getting advantadge for their own ickle race and will never truly make a concession. Any truce is just pretense, any alliance is just gathering power. The Tau are as lying and backstabbing as the eldar are, and what is worse, they identify wholly with the greater good and do not realise any of this - being as faceless and soulless as the ideology they represent.

Sounds like proof that they fit perfectly in the 40k universe, not a reason to write them out.

Imperialis_Dominatus
02-11-2008, 03:10
Sounds like proof that they fit perfectly in the 40k universe, not a reason to write them out.

Who said anything about writing them out? We only hate them.

Refyougee
02-11-2008, 06:31
Orks. I don't like the models and the whole "wow, they're so waaaacky" bit they have going is boring.

PumaKiller
02-11-2008, 06:56
I can't stand Tau. Not because they're overly annoying to play I just find their style quite boring, they don't look all that appealing to me and their fluff is shoddy at best.

Nurglefied
02-11-2008, 13:25
My least favorite race would be tyranids. They look cool and they're brutal but they're just not appealing for me to play.

Roguebaron
07-11-2008, 01:44
Anything not Night Lords.Then anything associated, even vaguely, with Tau. I make it my special duty to destroy anything that has a rail gun attached to it, whether I win or not, just to watch them go pop. Then lastly, any unpainted figure or model on the table. If someone I am playing brings unpainted figures, they die first, just to make the game look better. I only play for fun, so victory is always secondary, The nice thing about popping unpainted figs is they're generally the ones opponents are trying out, and if they're real nasty and they die, sometimes they don't come back.

Da Black Gobbo
07-11-2008, 22:46
Is great seeing how many hate there is in this grim universe, Khorne must be a happy panda right now.

Orbital102
08-11-2008, 00:55
See, I don't get discussions like this. I don't see how it's constructive. So far we have a discussion going on about what the meaning of "gay" is... another one about opening up accounts to vote more Eldar down.

Honestly, I may not want to *own* every army, but I always enjoy being across from any army so long as it's played well and the general has some good sportsmanship. I might have trouble with certain players on the basis of how they approach the game, but that's got nothing to do with their army.

When someone can actually say "I hate Marines/Eldar/Orks/Whatever"... that baffles me. They're all spokes of the same wheel.

weissengel86
08-11-2008, 01:31
Orks. I don't like the models and the whole "wow, they're so waaaacky" bit they have going is boring. hehe thats a good summation of my opinion. The whole "our technology works because we believe it works" is rather stupid and out of place. Junk technology is interesting for about 5 minutes then you realize its lame and makes no sense whatsoever even in the 40k universe sense.

Nastra
08-11-2008, 10:04
I hate the Daemons. They make little sense and their army list reads like the back of the Chaos Codex was ripped out and they just made Greater Daemons HQ's put everything else in a slot, made a three special charecters and called it good. The armies don't even match up with the fluff. It's like Tzeentch and Khorne are always fighting but golly when some random squad of space marines is wandering around suddenly they're BFF's and send a Bloodthirster and a Lord of Change. Let's just whitewash the last entirety of the game and suddenly make em fight on their own. GW just wanted an army that'd make fast cash and required little effort.

Lord Malorne
08-11-2008, 13:25
Necrons rate low because people do not like the background or 'automaton' apraoch of the army (I think the background is awesome) and the Dark Eldar is low because the current models suck.

Why Daemons are not on the poll really confuses me, they are clearly not suited for 'other'.

Firaxin
08-11-2008, 18:25
Why Daemons are not on the poll really confuses me, they are clearly not suited for 'other'.
Well neither are tau... ;)

Lord Malorne
08-11-2008, 18:27
:confused:

Tau are suited for other :p.

Captain Gerntass
08-11-2008, 19:13
Bloody nid's they creep me out, Seriusly.
Then necrons are close behind.

Isoroku
08-11-2008, 19:31
Tau Of Course