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Borg451
26-10-2008, 01:40
In This Thread:

Pics of converted or intrestingly painted Black Reach Warbosses.

also, a question.. the pose of its looks a little 'square'
is it poss to easily and effectivly make the Ork look 45degrees to the left as if he is lookin more towards the claw?

and can u lower the gun arm? everyone seems intent on putting it raised up..

anyway post away.

Rabid Bunny 666
26-10-2008, 01:42
GW Windsor did the head idea you suggested, it looks alot better. Doghouse has a WIP conversion of his with a Big Choppa and Iron gob, worth checking out.

Mordant 33
26-10-2008, 01:46
I put the gun arm of my AOBR warboss down, and it looks fine. Good luck with yours though.

Lord Malorne
26-10-2008, 01:49
I think being able to move the klaw would have been better, make it look less blocky.

Borg451
26-10-2008, 02:08
I think being able to move the klaw would have been better, make it look less blocky.

exactly.. i think GW is going down man.. the 90s was their heyday.. they are making cheaper quality things and asking more for them..

the new stuff is very 'blocky'

Borg451
26-10-2008, 02:10
GW Windsor did the head idea you suggested, it looks alot better. Doghouse has a WIP conversion of his with a Big Choppa and Iron gob, worth checking out.

do you have links?

Tommygun
26-10-2008, 02:23
In This Thread:

Pics of converted or intrestingly painted Black Reach Warbosses.



Is this what you are looking for?

Victomorga
26-10-2008, 03:22
exactly.. i think GW is going down man.. the 90s was their heyday.. they are making cheaper quality things and asking more for them..

the new stuff is very 'blocky'

AoBR has better miniatures and better value than any 40k gamebox to date.

Warforger
26-10-2008, 03:35
exactly.. i think GW is going down man.. the 90s was their heyday.. they are making cheaper quality things and asking more for them..

the new stuff is very 'blocky'

Oh please there not, in actuality there growing regardless of the stock market, and what are you talking about? AoBR was a HUGE improvement over BFM, sets are going plastic, have more options then previous metal sets and cost less.

AoBR is blocky because it isn't meant for the poses to be customizable, its all set and done.

Borg451
26-10-2008, 03:42
Oh please there not, in actuality there growing regardless of the stock market, and what are you talking about? AoBR was a HUGE improvement over BFM, sets are going plastic, have more options then previous metal sets and cost less.

AoBR is blocky because it isn't meant for the poses to be customizable, its all set and done.

exactly.. thats worse.. you cant pose them how u want.. that is a reduction in quality..

and **** how GW is doing finacially.. i dont mean how much money they're making.. i mean the quality of products they can provide to me..

Dark Empire
26-10-2008, 03:52
exactly.. i think GW is going down man.. the 90s was their heyday.. they are making cheaper quality things and asking more for them..

the new stuff is very 'blocky'


I have to disagree with you on this one man, I think the new boss looks absolutely superior to many of their old models, and for $60 for an entire box set-not just one model! As far as the price is concerned THAT is cheap for GW.

If the quality of work is REALLY going down while the prices continue to rise then sales aren't currently showing that. When people stop buying what they're asking, only then will prices stall or drop.

Devil Tree
26-10-2008, 04:28
The head should be easy enough to adjust. Just slice off part of the neck stub on the torso and chop off the neck stub thingy on the head. All you have to do then is fill the gaps with a little green stuff and give the head a little tilt so it looks like hes glaring at someone.

As far as the claw goes, Id leave it in place. His arm is in a pretty stationary position, in addition it has lots of little details such as veins and the claw cables that would look messed up if you tried to reposition it.

Clang
26-10-2008, 05:19
with a razor saw, you can remove then repose the klaw arm (I've just done so for my biker boss conversion) BUT you have to cut the klaw control cables, and reconnecting them won't be easy - I'm looking at a cable-less replacement design

DoktorZinieztro
26-10-2008, 05:40
The photos above all prove that the "square" comment is quite out of context.

My man, you have yet need to SEE the minis. They are everything BUT square.

Inquisitor Engel
26-10-2008, 06:01
exactly.. thats worse.. you cant pose them how u want.. that is a reduction in quality..

and **** how GW is doing finacially.. i dont mean how much money they're making.. i mean the quality of products they can provide to me..

I take it you never played 2nd Edition then, when the marines and Orks that came in the box were two-three pieces, had almost no detail and all had the exact same equipment, pose and armour?

Or the gretchin that were ALL THE EXACT SAME MINIATURE.

Yes... things have certainly gone downhill from the days of the cardboard dreadnaught. :rolleyes:

Getifa Ubazza
26-10-2008, 06:59
I take it you never played 2nd Edition then, when the marines and Orks that came in the box were two-three pieces, had almost no detail and all had the exact same equipment, pose and armour?

Or the gretchin that were ALL THE EXACT SAME MINIATURE.

Yes... things have certainly gone downhill from the days of the cardboard dreadnaught. :rolleyes:HEY! I loved my cardboard dreadnaught, he was the best model in that whole set. Ok apart from the Goff boys, Gretchin, Marines and cardboard buildings, the Dread was so in the top 5 best things in the box. Although the box was pretty nice. Ok, the Dread was in the top 6, if you include the box. The rule book was pretty nice as well though........:p

Fluxeor
26-10-2008, 08:44
Those 20 2nd Edit Marines still feature alongside the (much) more recent additions in my 2nd Company!... they dont look *THAT* much out of place.

del-patch
26-10-2008, 10:00
mean the quality of products they can provide to me..

oh come on! Its a snap fit, intended for beginners. your telling us that you want an all plastic, finely detailed, fully poseable, 'unblocky' mini that snap fits?

I'd hardly call a snap fit a reduction in quality, BFM was blocky, it had less, and you payed about the same for oh so very little amounts of models. If you want to complain, GW can come along and swap all of your minis with a BFM set, because its obviously so much better.

Borg451
26-10-2008, 13:29
The photos above all prove that the "square" comment is quite out of context.

My man, you have yet need to SEE the minis. They are everything BUT square.

i have done.. just was asking about easy of conversion..

Borg451
26-10-2008, 13:31
oh come on! Its a snap fit, intended for beginners. your telling us that you want an all plastic, finely detailed, fully poseable, 'unblocky' mini that snap fits?

I'd hardly call a snap fit a reduction in quality, BFM was blocky, it had less, and you payed about the same for oh so very little amounts of models. If you want to complain, GW can come along and swap all of your minis with a BFM set, because its obviously so much better.

i havent seen bfm and aint bought a aobr boxset.. all im saying is the miniatures shouldnt be snap fit.. and should be exactly like u would get buying them seperatly..

the_raptor
26-10-2008, 13:40
exactly.. thats worse.. you cant pose them how u want.. that is a reduction in quality..

and **** how GW is doing finacially.. i dont mean how much money they're making.. i mean the quality of products they can provide to me..


The photos above all prove that the "square" comment is quite out of context.

My man, you have yet need to SEE the minis. They are everything BUT square.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v283/the_raptor/warboss4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v283/the_raptor/warboss5-1.jpg

It takes very little to make the warboss very non-square (*cough* and taller).

P.S. Don't you hate when you want to take a picture with your real camera and the batteries are flat? Phone cameras suck.

Mulrak
26-10-2008, 13:43
I turned a few of them into Huge Flash Gitz. My wife bought a new CoolPix camera, but Im still working on how to figure the dang thing out. Comps I am fine on, phones and smaller devices I have trouble for some odd reason.

Mulrak

Gazak Blacktoof
26-10-2008, 13:45
i havent seen bfm and aint bought a aobr boxset.. all im saying is the miniatures shouldnt be snap fit.. and should be exactly like u would get buying them seperatly..

Why?

If you want the normal models, "exactly like u would get buying them seperatly" buy them separately:rolleyes:.

As already pointed out the set is for beginners, its designed to assemble in a matter of a few hours including removing components them from the frame.

Let people get on with the thread and create a new one if you feel this topic needs more debate.

Dead Memories
26-10-2008, 15:00
Ive cut the power klaw arm off and cut a v shape into the elbow join to twist it, then resculpted it with green stuff so it is now holding one of my dead marines, also made him a shoota/skorcha kombi weapon, will try get pics up soon

sukigod
26-10-2008, 16:19
Back to the OP, here's mine that shows everything you were looking for. Loered gun arm, modified head/neck and I also adjusted the PK arm with some greenstuff.

http://www.bigshoota.com/blog-photos/warboss/wb37.jpg

With the right tools and alittle confidence, it's entirely possble.

Good Luck!

Dr.Clock
26-10-2008, 17:05
so then what would the purpose of the box be? They could just sell tiny rulebooks for about the same as a codex and save the shelf space...

If you want that steep a price reduction, expect some change in quality.

Also, metal warbosses are just as hard to convert, I am sure.

The box is not meant for the converting side of things. It is meant to be economical. That means getting the most out of every sprue. That means minimum customization.

C'est la vie.

Cheers,

The Good Doctor.

Sinisterfence
26-10-2008, 17:18
the box is actually very easy to convert, I switched all the marines heads in about an hour and they look much better.
I actually like the warbosses pose, it suits my force (Blood Axes... he's a Kommissar, looks like he's barking orders)
but yeah.. if you're gonna complain about 150+ worth of miniatures for 40 because they're slightly less pose-able without conversion... go ahead
and saying they're blockier than the 2nd Ed. miniatures, when even the multipart kits may aswell have been cubes.. well, I just gotta ask what you were smoking at the time

Borg451
26-10-2008, 19:01
the box is actually very easy to convert, I switched all the marines heads in about an hour and they look much better.
I actually like the warbosses pose, it suits my force (Blood Axes... he's a Kommissar, looks like he's barking orders)
but yeah.. if you're gonna complain about 150+ worth of miniatures for 40 because they're slightly less pose-able without conversion... go ahead
and saying they're blockier than the 2nd Ed. miniatures, when even the multipart kits may aswell have been cubes.. well, I just gotta ask what you were smoking at the time

when did i compare them to the 2nd Edition ones? show me.

Victomorga
26-10-2008, 20:12
i havent seen bfm and aint bought a aobr boxset.. all im saying is the miniatures shouldnt be snap fit.. and should be exactly like u would get buying them seperatly..

they could do that. it would make the AoBR box 3-5 times as expensive as it is now, maybe even more, but they could do it. if this is how you feel, you would be better off buying the hardback rule book and avoiding the game box altogether.

the models are simplified so that GW can maximize what they get onto a sprue and what they can get into a box. the whole set barely costs more than a box of five terminators. the sculpts are still very high quality, and the two force commanders are the two best sculpts ever included in a 40k game box. I don't know what more you could reasonably expect from GW; AoBR is probably the best value set they have ever put out.


so then what would the purpose of the box be? They could just sell tiny rulebooks for about the same as a codex and save the shelf space...

If you want that steep a price reduction, expect some change in quality.

Also, metal warbosses are just as hard to convert, I am sure.

The box is not meant for the converting side of things. It is meant to be economical. That means getting the most out of every sprue. That means minimum customization.

C'est la vie.

Cheers,

The Good Doctor.

agreed. limiting the options for equipping the models in the introductory set makes it easier to teach new players the ins and outs of the game without A) confusing them; or B) allowing them to mess up their models by putting them together with illegal or ill advised weapon / equipment combinations.


when did i compare them to the 2nd Edition ones? show me.

you said that GW peaked in the '90s, implying that the 40k box sets used to be better than they are today.

Borg451
26-10-2008, 21:06
they could do that. it would make the AoBR box 3-5 times as expensive as it is now, maybe even more, but they could do it. if this is how you feel, you would be better off buying the hardback rule book and avoiding the game box altogether.

the models are simplified so that GW can maximize what they get onto a sprue and what they can get into a box. the whole set barely costs more than a box of five terminators. the sculpts are still very high quality, and the two force commanders are the two best sculpts ever included in a 40k game box. I don't know what more you could reasonably expect from GW; AoBR is probably the best value set they have ever put out.



agreed. limiting the options for equipping the models in the introductory set makes it easier to teach new players the ins and outs of the game without A) confusing them; or B) allowing them to mess up their models by putting them together with illegal or ill advised weapon / equipment combinations.



you said that GW peaked in the '90s, implying that the 40k box sets used to be better than they are today.

i didnt imply anything like that...

just forget it.. post pics of Orks

DoktorZinieztro
26-10-2008, 21:13
Mate, the all of what you are saying is ridiculous. Period.

You want them to specifically PLEASE you. That's never going to happen.

Snap out of it.

Borg451
26-10-2008, 21:52
You want them to specifically PLEASE you.
Snap out of it.

yeh avcourse.. thats what everyone wants of every corporation. aint gonna happen tho.

The Clairvoyant
26-10-2008, 22:00
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d41/PR_clairvoyant/IMGP0945.jpg

This is my AoBR warboss with re-posed head. Yes i have the gun arm raised because it fits the dynamic of the model that way

parus_ater
26-10-2008, 22:09
What you're sayings is that you're an opinionated N00b then, otherwise you'd know what the BfM set looked like and why started box mini's go together like they do.

Thoume
26-10-2008, 22:55
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d41/PR_clairvoyant/IMGP0945.jpg

This is my AoBR warboss with re-posed head. Yes i have the gun arm raised because it fits the dynamic of the model that way

Mines very much similar to that (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y192/Thoume/Ork%20Army/IMGP0160.jpg), all you need is to glue the left side of the jaw to the side and fill the right side with some greenstuff. :)

Borg451
27-10-2008, 01:50
Mines very much similar to that (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y192/Thoume/Ork%20Army/IMGP0160.jpg), all you need is to glue the left side of the jaw to the side and fill the right side with some greenstuff. :)

awesome pic..

Victomorga
27-10-2008, 03:11
Mines very much similar to that (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y192/Thoume/Ork%20Army/IMGP0160.jpg), all you need is to glue the left side of the jaw to the side and fill the right side with some greenstuff. :)


awesome pic..

agreed, that looks fantastic. kudos.

Dark Empire
27-10-2008, 03:15
Mate, the all of what you are saying is ridiculous. Period.

You want them to specifically PLEASE you. That's never going to happen.

Snap out of it.


Thank you. If I said that every time I felt that way about a post I would be in the 100's already. Sometimes I just want to strangle people to death with my bare hands and say:

"Stop complaining or stop buying already!!!!!!!! GOOD LORD!!!" :evilgrin:

Borg451
27-10-2008, 11:32
Thank you. If I said that every time I felt that way about a post I would be in the 100's already. Sometimes I just want to strangle people to death with my bare hands and say:

"Stop complaining or stop buying already!!!!!!!! GOOD LORD!!!" :evilgrin:


but i aint bought a boxset, BECAUSE not all the minis are to my liking.. if you can criticise a 40K product on an internet forum about 40K where can you..

parus_ater
27-10-2008, 11:41
The thing is mate, GW and indeed board game market research in general tell us that if you need specialist tools glue and and an understanding of model making to play a game you've just bought on spec then you ain ever going to play the game. How many of us as children got a model kit of some description and never made it because we didn't have glue? GW want us to play the game and they want N00bz (like yourself) to play also, so they made a game with loads of models that just ping out the frame and pop together. Within five minutes of opemning the box you can be laying out a table for your first game. Dunno about anyone else but five minutes after opening a new box of minis I'm still studying the frame wondering what options and poses I can do. Thing about these models is put one in a line up and it's pretty hard to work out which is which.

Coasty
27-10-2008, 11:43
There's a difference between legitimate criticism and pontless whinging because the basic starter set isn't as customisable as the main range. That's just...stupid. The starter set is meant to be cheap, quick and simple to use and entirely self-contained. The clue is in the name.

parus_ater
27-10-2008, 11:58
Yeah, basically, if you're an old hand and have hundreds of space marines or orcs then you'll see you're just wasting money and time with the starter box and just by the rulebook. As a N00b, you shold be more interested in learning the game and practicing your painting which is why these boxes as such good value.

As I said before, since you don't know what was in the Macragge box then your new and any idea that you had that "the 90's had better models" is clearly come from someone else. Buy the box, learn to play and then worry about conversion.

Griefbringer
27-10-2008, 12:22
As I said before, since you don't know what was in the Macragge box then your new and any idea that you had that "the 90's had better models" is clearly come from someone else.

However, BfM was not released in the 90's but well into the 21st century. Back in the 90's you get boxed sets like:

1991: Space Marine 2nd edition box.
1992: WHFB 4th edition box. One piece models with separate shields.
1993: Man'o'War box. Ships with snap-fit sails.
1993: WH40K 2nd edition box. Snap-fit marines and orks, one piece gretchin.
1994: Titan Legions box.
1994: Warhammer Quest box.
1995: Necromunda. Snap-fit gangers.
1996: Space Hulk. Snap-fit terminators. Not sure about genestealers.
1996: WHFB 5th edition: snap-fit knights and saurus, one piece skinks and archers.
1998: WH40K 3rd edition: multi-part marines, landspeeder and dark eldar.

parus_ater
27-10-2008, 12:33
Listen mate, I've been playing and collecting for 16 years, I know what was released and when.

parus_ater
29-10-2008, 14:20
Ok, here's what I've done with mine. The right arm as people have pointed out is at the standard starter box 90 degrees so I cut the hand off for repositioning and shaved a bit of the back of the shoulder on the arm. This allows the fore arm to be farther from the body. th hand was then shaved at the joint to have it sit at a slightly different angle. I did the jaw shave to agle the head that everyone's been doing and cut and repositioned the standard top. All this took about ten minutes and only need a wee bit of green stuffing now.

I'm also debating whether or not to change the thinner bit of cable for a wire and put a chain on the loop of the gun.

RampagingRavener
29-10-2008, 14:39
Mine was a simple enough conversion; reposing the head to look in the same direction as the Power Klaw, like some other people have done, and replacing and reposing the Twin-linked Shoota army with a metal Kombi-scorcha. And an armour plate to cover up my hamfisted attempts at sculpting. :angel:

Still got to plow through the rest of the Boyz and Deffkoptas before I can start painting him, though...

parus_ater
29-10-2008, 14:45
That's what you call a nice conversion!

Replacing the arm is a good idea, I did it with the old Macragge Sarge.Are you putting a nice pile of marine helmets in front too?

imperial_scholar
29-10-2008, 17:11
That's neat, I am still going to use the current power klaw with my old warboss as I've already cut off his hand 5 years ago :(. I also have an extra Power Klaw Warboss :D.