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Getifa Ubazza
31-10-2008, 15:47
I was wondering if the Dark Eldar would go after slaves from other races. All ive ever read is them going after Humans or other Eldar. But when i thought about it, what would they do with slaves from other races.

Orks wouldnt be much fun to torture as there so damn tough and they hardly feel pain. I suppose they could stick them in the arena for the Witches to play with. In fact the Orks would probably love that.

Same with Tyranids. A Genestealer would be great to watch in the arena, But again wouldnt be that great for torture.

Isnt the whole point of taking slaves, about eating there souls? And they use torture for that.

Im not even sure, Orks, Nids or even Tau have souls to take.

Terror of the East
31-10-2008, 16:17
I actually think all their home and servant slaves would be more *civilised* races like eldar and human and tau,ones easy broken and more likely to follow a command given. More brutal ones would be put to the fighting arenas, such as orks and nids and space marines.

Depends how they see torture, I can imagine a homunculus taking great pride in inventing a method to break an ork..or creating a poison powerful enough to make a geanestealer pass out! As for Tau, they do have souls just they are not a mega beacons in the warp like an eldars. Still a soul none the less. Orks are, in fact all orkoids are latent psychics-and i mean very latent...but that will mean they shine in the warp with a soul. Necrons don't have souls-at least not as we know them and Nids more than likely have a soul but it is obscured by the shadow in the warp created by the fleet.

Getifa Ubazza
31-10-2008, 16:31
I can see the image in my head now. A Humonculus standing over its Torture table, with a Genestealer strapped down on it. Relishing the challenge of getting it to scream in pain. The Genestealer just watching him, waiting for its moment to strike.

I think the Ork strapped down like that would be making fun of the Humonculus, even when its in extreme pain. "Dat all you got panzy, a Grotz got more chance ov 'urtin me dan you"

Clockwork-Knight
31-10-2008, 16:57
There are some images from the Warhammer 40k-card game where you saw Dark Eldar rounding up slaves and prisoners from various races.

Also, there's a picture of two homunculi making an ork scream in pain.

The Anarchist
31-10-2008, 17:51
Also, there's a picture of two homunculi making an ork scream in pain.

they just whispered in his ear "we are going to change your skin colour to blue and make you civilised"

:D

ChaosBeast
31-10-2008, 18:04
i would say they almost certainly do, but there are more humans than anyother species and we are relatively week. they seem to take exceptionnaal pleasure in torturing other eldar because they can relate to them, so the 2 most common slave species are humans and eldar, probably in that order.

kikkoman
31-10-2008, 18:23
Orks wouldnt be much fun to torture as there so damn tough and they hardly feel pain.

perhaps they're used in Haemonculi 101, so the freshman can get sloppy without going through too many supplies. Or it's a recreational activity ("hey Rakkanth, what's your final project gonna be?" "ah man it's awesome, I took this ork, yeah, and put five heads on one body!" "ah, awesome! I could only ever manage two. Damn man, you'll be workin' for the Black Hearts for sure")


or maybe out of curiosity just study how orks do their bionics ("so the power klaw connects to this bone... interesting. And this tube goes... hmmm, I wonder what that does")
maybe for fun, try installing a power klaw on a grotesque or somethin'


I imagine Dark Eldar would still have fun just learning new things. Study how the muscles are constructed on a genestealer to see if they could replicate them, that kinda thing.




And if you really, really wanted to torture the ork, well...
You take the ork, you take his grot, you do a headswap and leave them in the same room.

spetswalshe
31-10-2008, 20:06
Well, it's nice to have some tough opponents for the arena, but we don't want them to actually enjoy their time in Commoragh, surely? Though orks sure are good for heavy lifting, and if you're trying to collect resources or construct vehicles in hazardous environments (near a live volcano, for instance) then it's useful to have a stable of greenskins on hand. Plus they make imprisonment that little bit more intolerable for their fellow captives (humans, orks, anyone), which makes for tasty souls.

And there's a certain poetry in separating a tyranid from the hive mind so it reverts to a gibbering atavistic state. Not all torture has to involve spiky bits.

Kiro
01-11-2008, 00:14
I don't think the Tau, generally speaking, would make good...subjects. Too physically weak for the arena (save for weapons testing?) too easily breakable. Don't get me wrong, I love my blue boys, I just think the comfortable life they come from and their philosophy on warfare means they're not used to being habitually...hurt. That's not to say the DE wouldn't capture them. They'd probably do it just for the hell of it, and I suppose the same could be said for all the other races too.

Hell, that reminds me: in the Tau preview, back when all we had to go on were 3 differently-painted Pathfinders, there was a fluff pdf file on the GW site where I believe the gist of the story was the Tau breaking up an attempted slave raid on a Kroot world.
I think they did a similar splat in the Apocalypse book...except with the DE sneaking through the defences after killing the Kroot sentries.

The_Outsider
01-11-2008, 00:20
"Breaking" someone is more than mere pain, the mental torture is the one that even special forces are trained to resist.

Really, there is little direct fluff of DE taking slaves that aren't human, but it doesn't say they speficially only take humans, they just take "slaves".

A lot of fan fiction has DE capturing orks (they make good gladatorial opponents for wyches) and even genestealers (such a lethal creature is going ot fetch a high price) but AFAIK GW haven't protrayed this much outside of the odd picture/description here and there.

MrBigMr
01-11-2008, 00:53
I think there's a piece of art in which there's a bunch of prisoners on their knees, hands behind their head with DE seen at the background, and one of the prisoners looks a lot like a Tau.

As for 'Nids, in Daemon World, there were Tyranids slaving in mines, hacking at the stone with their talons. Basically, once outside of the reach of the Hive Mind, most 'Nids revert into animal behavior, so after that it's just a matter of voltage. Then again, not all of them are meant to live that long (Rippers for don't have a digestive system and would just die after they run out of nutrients from their body), so who knows how good they're are as slave labour.

Clockwork-Knight
01-11-2008, 01:28
Here's the one picture I mentioned (and I guess MrBigMr too).

MrBigMr
01-11-2008, 01:41
Yeah, that's it. Doesn't that guy at the front look like a Tau?

Kiro
01-11-2008, 02:01
Hmmm, he certainly does. Where did you guys get the pic from?

primarchvulken
01-11-2008, 02:47
If you look at the fluff well enough you will see that the dark eldar take everyone

Hellebore
01-11-2008, 02:59
The tall one in the middle looks like an eldar too (spirit stone in the middle of the forehead, pointy ears etc).

I don't doubt that the dark eldar take slaves of EVERY race they meet at least once, just to see what they're like. Obviously humans being one of the most populous and easily broken (whilst still intelligent enough to take commands and do what they're told).

Hellebore

Getifa Ubazza
01-11-2008, 04:11
I like that pic. I just noticed that the tau and the eldar seem to be looking at the viewer, but all the humans around them have there eyes cast down. Very interesting.

Love the look of the Dark Eldar too. If the models looked like that, wow.

Lamhirh
01-11-2008, 05:08
I like everything about that pic...except the Eldar. So I fixed it :D!

Hellebore
01-11-2008, 06:33
I like everything about that pic...except the Eldar. So I fixed it :D!

Much better. The only thing that made me think it was an eldar was the ears and forehead jewel, otherwise it had a severe case of manface (what? I like eldar but even I know they're girls - but that's ok cuz I like girls too :cool:).

Hellebore

Lamhirh
01-11-2008, 09:11
I like eldar but even I know they're girls - but that's ok cuz I like girls too...

You know, if they really wanted to make the eldar more...interesting they could make them like the chieri. Those beings aside from being potent psykers and extremely long lived are fully functional hermaphrodites. A chieri can adopt a fixed gender at any point in it's life by making the necessary physiological adjustments. The process is not an easy one and few undergo the change more than once. Humans only perceive them as being distinctly male and female. Takes androgynous to a whole new level doesn't it :wtf:.

Maybe that Xenology bit about 'reproduction taking place at different stages' actually hinted at a much darker secret...

Hellebore
01-11-2008, 09:18
Where do they come from? Star Trek/Wars?

Maybe they require 3 to produce offspring? makes it easier to start on the road to orgyville (sounds like a good place, although might be populated with too many rednecks to make it apetising...:angel:).

Hellebore

MrBigMr
01-11-2008, 13:09
Much better. The only thing that made me think it was an eldar was the ears and forehead jewel, otherwise it had a severe case of manface (what? I like eldar but even I know they're girls - but that's ok cuz I like girls too :cool:).
Eldar women are superior to all others, even if they're men.


You know, if they really wanted to make the eldar more...interesting they could make them like the chieri.
Should not want.

But Buddhism has 4 genders: male, female, hermaphrodite and shemale/ladyboy.


Maybe that Xenology bit about 'reproduction taking place at different stages' actually hinted at a much darker secret...
What? That it's not ok, it doesn't happen to every guy and it is a big deal?

I guess that when you don't get to do it that often and there's no baseball to take your mind off of it, one is bound to... release ahead of schedule. So it's no wonder you have to try a few times. For her pleasure.


Maybe they require 3 to produce offspring? makes it easier to start on the road to orgyville (sounds like a good place, although might be populated with too many rednecks to make it apetising...:angel:).
In the comic Valerian and Laureline (great read, but the way) there's one alien race that's paired in threes. They have three genders and it takes all three to mate in order to produce (three) eggs. There's on group of three Valerian and Laureline bump into every now and then, selling stuff and information, and enjoying strong drinks.

Lamhirh
01-11-2008, 16:20
Where do they come from? Star Trek/Wars?

No, they appear in Marion Zimmer Bradley's 'Darkover' series. What I like about them is that while you can empathize with them to some extent they act more like ancient psychic aliens than the Eldar do. An angry or cornered chieri is not something you want to mess with. Even young adults like 'Keral' are quite strong despite their build and most can literally kill with a thought by employing telekinesis. There is one scene in which a human accidentally runs into one on a newly discovered planet. I thought the author handled the telepathic communication between them in a pretty convincing manner. It's interesting how the chieri refers to the human as 'child' without adopting a condenscending tone.


Maybe they require 3 to produce offspring? makes it easier to start on the road to orgyville (sounds like a good place, although might be populated with too many rednecks to make it apetising...).

Too much like 'Alien Nation'. I think making the Eldar more like Slaanesh in that regard makes the most sense...


In the comic Valerian and Laureline (great read, but the way) there's one alien race that's paired in threes. They have three genders and it takes all three to mate in order to produce (three) eggs. There's on group of three Valerian and Laureline bump into every now and then, selling stuff and information, and enjoying strong drinks.

You mean the the shingouz? I love that BD series :D! Odd how many people don't know the influence it's had on everything sci-fi (Millenium Falcon = XB982). There's even an animated adaptation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOL3hS3hSOY

MrBigMr
01-11-2008, 17:38
Too much like 'Alien Nation'. I think making the Eldar more like Slaanesh in that regard makes the most sense...
The power of Christ compels you! Spirit of Goto, leave this body.


You mean the the shingouz?
Yeah, those are the ones.


I love that BD series :D! Odd how many people don't know the influence it's had on everything sci-fi (Millenium Falcon = XB982).
It is very good. I don't know why, but I actually like French comics very much. Especially as I'm a big anime fan (been since it was known as Japanese animation), yet I really dislike manga.


There's even an animated adaptation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOL3hS3hSOY
Yeah, I've been looking to get it, though I find the new Laureline deserving of a brick to her face.

Adra
01-11-2008, 17:44
All flesh is good for art and forges. All souls feed the ever thristing one. I guess just some are worth more than others. Humans are an exceptable average, but nothing special. Im sure eldar dont get used as slaves, the are too important to She Who Thirsts.

Col. Tartleton
01-11-2008, 19:16
maybe you prefer French to Manga because the Japanese couldn't write a plot to save their lives. The one good thing I can say about France is that they're quite literate when it comes to writing a story. Jules Verne, Victor Hugo, Voltaire, ect. They're almost as good as English speakers ;)

Getifa Ubazza
01-11-2008, 19:19
All flesh is good for art and forges. All souls feed the ever thristing one. I guess just some are worth more than others. Humans are an exceptable average, but nothing special. Im sure eldar dont get used as slaves, the are too important to She Who Thirsts.I would expect Eldar slaves to be more, playthings for the Archons and his/her "friends". :p

MrBigMr
01-11-2008, 19:44
maybe you prefer French to Manga because the Japanese couldn't write a plot to save their lives. The one good thing I can say about France is that they're quite literate when it comes to writing a story. Jules Verne, Victor Hugo, Voltaire, ect. They're almost as good as English speakers ;)
Couldn't write a plot to save their lives? Jesus, some of the best plots I know come from there, something a western writer wouldn't come up with even in a crazy ass acid trip. Midori Days, Elfen Lied, Loveless, Nausicaš of the Valley of the Wind, Metal Gear Solid, Porco Rosso... Nothing this side of the world can beat those. Matrix is nothing but a cheap rip off of Ghost in the Shell and Akira.

Besides, I'm a shallow person and usually determine my liking on the merits of visual aides (I don't read comics or watch movies for fine literature, because that's what fine literature is there for). I just like the visual aspect of many French comics and movies. You can't really say V&L has an original story really. Most of the comics start with the pair being broke and they have to do something to get money to fix their ship (which like the Millennium Falcon is always busted and held together with mere plot tape).


What were we talking again? Oh, yeah DE slaves. Um... Look, a three headed monkey!
*jumps out of the window*

ManOfRust
01-11-2008, 19:44
I guess for a Dark Eldar the whole universe is pretty much just there for them to use, abuse or destroy. A lot like their Warhammer Dark Elf parallels they think that they're the masters of the world/galaxy, it's all theirs for the taking as long as they're cunning and strong enough. So pretty much anything in the 40K universe there's bound to be a Dark Eldar twisted, powerful or just plain crazy enough to want to take a shot at.

[Fluff example would be in the novel Crimson Tears where a Dark Eldar Archon (spoiler warning!) is in the process of sacrificing a whole WORLD in the aim of acquiring access to power from the warp.]

Even if it wasn't necessarily that apocalyptic, like maybe a Kabal that specialises in HUNTING space marines for the haemonculi or wych arenas, or raiding Nicassar dhows for their psychic babies. Risky work sure, but they'll do it if it's worth the effort!

As far as slaves (the "fetch my coat slave!" variety) go, they probably use any kind of creature that is weak-willed or capable enough. Eldar, Space Marines and 'Stealers; probably not. Humans, obviously, as well as any number of difficult to describe cowardly creatures. Anyone remember in HH: Legion? The little insecty type translator that was a servant of the Cabal would be a good example of another craven creature as equally useful as a slave.

Orks as someone mentioned are probably too stubborn and aggressive to serve or labour but as with anything else: If there's value in catching them Dark Eldar would do it!

Clockwork-Knight
02-11-2008, 00:28
Unfortunately, the example in Crimson Tears shows a Dark Eldar being a servant to the Chaos God Slaanesh.

ManOfRust
02-11-2008, 08:26
I imagine few Dark Eldar are without masters of some kind (Even Archons have a pecking order) but I wouldn't go so far as to say he was a devoted servant of a chaos god. He was indeed working with and using a lot of Slaaneshii cults to achieve his ends but he was ultimate out for his own aims.

MF3000
02-11-2008, 08:53
I'm pretty sure I read fluff where Orks are prized by the Dark Eldar because of their regenerative ability - kick'em around for a bit... let'em grow and bang! Kicking begins anew!

sj

Clockwork-Knight
02-11-2008, 12:43
He wanted to create a new Commoragh... with Slaanesh's powers and aspects... He either must have been incredibly dumb, or a servant to the Prince(ss) of Chaos.

ManOfRust
02-11-2008, 13:42
He was a bit thick to be honest.
He mistakes the CF Captain coming to get him for Sarpedon, easy error you may think as Space Marines all look kind of alike (more so if you're colourblind admittedly).

Except Sarpedon is a mutant with eight legs!

Silly Dark Eldar!

The point is that Dark Eldar don't really care about other races, or even each other, they're all about how they can make a gain out of it.