View Full Version : Bretonnians vs. High Elf Dragons

05-11-2008, 15:26
My friend has continually boasted as to the exceptional capabilities of dragons from Hih Elves, naturally, I would like to prove him wrong...unfortuanately from my view there is nothing in a Bretonnian Army that can go toe-to-toe with a High Elf Dragon (possibly with tooled-up Prince) and hope to win... let alone escape alive. If possible, please post some replies to help me.

05-11-2008, 16:33
Star Dragon w/ prince anti character builds are power... there is not much you can do against it.

Whats that? 4 S7 hits that ignore my armour, reroll misses and failed wounds AND I have to reroll my successful ward saves? OH... AND THEN... the dragon attacks me with his 6 S7 attacks!??!?!

~ zilla

05-11-2008, 16:49
What I like to do is bait them with pegasus knights. Assuming you pass your terror test, a lance should be able to beat the dragon on the charge.

I know it's un-fluffy to flee with brets... but it's smart. Stagger your units putting one in front and in range and then flee when he charges. Counter charge with another lance (knights errant work great) and hope that the odds are with you. What he gives the prince well determine if you put your attacks on him or on the dragons, but pretty much 90% of the time it will be better to attack the rider.

If your opponent doesn't go for this (although being as cocky as he sounds he probably will), and tries to set up a flank charge instead, it's nice to have a flier that can deal with him. I'd take a paladin with the virtue that allows him to killing blow large targets (heroism maybe?) and then even let him know you have it. He'll probably try to stay clear and that will give you more room to work. Just keep him behind a unit so those bolt throwers can't see you but you can see the dragon thanks to him being a large target.

Lastly the other thing you can try is ignore him. Pray, let him move around, and then move all your knights into charge position. The dragon can only hit one unit (which can flee) and then on your turn you're wiping out the rest of his army. Just look out for swordmasters and dragon princes and remember to multicharge units. For this to work don't waste points on anything fancy (like grail knights or too many characters) just take lots of units of 9 knights.

Edit: Just to run some numbers for you: Against the knights the star dragon will have 6 attacks, 4 will hit, 3.33 will wound, 2.78 will get passed your armor, 1.85 will get passed your ward. Your knights will have two ranks, a banner and outnumber for 4 CR, so as long as that rider isn't a super killer you should win combat anyway if he hits a lance straight on. Of course if he doesn't break things get worse and worse in future combats.

So baiting him with a unit with the BSB paladin with warbanner and virtue of duty (and by baiting I mean moving them within charge range and pretend it was a mistake (end the turn with "Aww crap, I think you're in range... well I screwed that up...)), challenging him with his unit champ, should beat the star dragon prince soundly even when he charges you.

05-11-2008, 18:03
there is a combo that works with your lord - the MW that lets you wound always on at least 3+ (forget the name) and the thingy that lets them reroll to hit + wound against things with US 5+

05-11-2008, 19:19
Here's an idea for a list:

Paladin w/ horse, shield
Paladin *BSB* w/ horse, warbanner, virtue of duty

9 KE w/ FC, errantry banner
8 KotR w/ FC
8 KotR w/ FC
9 KotR w/ FC
9 KotR w/ FC
15 skirmishing archers

5 pegasus knights
9 questing knigts w/ FC

Just rush up and smash him ;)

05-11-2008, 19:58
;) What about a pair of Trebuckets in one Corner with a Lance of Questing Knights nearbye? Pop a Palidin in the Kights with Questing Vow, Virtue of Audacity and Sword of Heros. Drop rocks on the Dragons untill they head your way....Bait...Charge or counter with the Questing Knights and you should win the day. Dragon Skin Cloaks are very in this Season in Bastonne LION

Grey Mage
06-11-2008, 23:38

Bretonnian Lord- Grail Vow, Lance- 144pts.
Sword of the Ladys Champion, Grail Shield, Tress of Isoulde- 95pts.
Virtue of Confidence- 25 pts.
Royal Pegasus- 50 pts.

314pts. Not to expensive as lords go really.... Id take this up against the elf. Dragons dont get to attack first remember... And if he happens to have the talisman of saphery you atleast have a lance and the tress.