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dax
22-11-2005, 17:44
Per message on Specialist Games website the following miniatures are to be retired.

Blood Bowl: The Marauders (old human team), Blood Bowl Ogre Team.

Necromunda: old metal Orlocks, old metal Goliaths, old metal Scavvies, old metal Ratskins, The Caller, the Redeemer, Kal Jericho and Scabs, Rapier, Necromunda Farseer and Fire Dragons.

Warmaster: Kislev range, Alt Empire Knights, Storm of Chaos Characters, Tuetogen Guard, Chaos Wizards, Chaos Spawn, Winged Daemon Prince, Old Slann Mage Priest, Undead Giant Scorpion, Alt High Elf units, Alt Dwarf units.

Inquisitor: Simeon 38X, Techpriest Tezla, Damian Bloodhound, Fabian, Yanvan Yastobaal, Bravus, Karshak, Servo Skulls, Chaos Henchman, Imperial Guards, Kroot Mercenary, Weapon Boosters, Talon, Toothpick Murke, Genestealer and Magus, Unbound Daemonhost, Sister Repentia, Tau Watercaste, Inquisitor Scarn, Crimelord, Citizens.

Mordheim: Freelancer, Ogre bodyguard, Johann the Knife, Halfling Cook, Merchant, Town Cryer, Stagecoach, Highway Man, Road Warden, Halfling Thief, Plague Cart, Averlanders, Ostlanders, Kisvelites, Elf Mage, Pit Fighter Ogre.

Well things just seem to be going from bad to worse for SG. The above minis will only be available until the 10th of December. I'll have to spend £60 just to buy minis I had planned to get at some point in the future right before christmas to!

Inquisitor Samos
22-11-2005, 17:59
Lovely.......... just lovely. :rolleyes:


I'm sure someone will be along any moment now to explain how this is "good news" for SG fans. :eyebrows:

erion
22-11-2005, 18:00
Damn, thats MOST of the inqusitor range.

starlight
22-11-2005, 18:04
Damn GW to the pits of Hades.:mad:

When will they put someone in charge who can *build* a business.

At least they'll still have the ability to bring them back later. It's not like they're chopping the lines.....yet.:(

Ohman
22-11-2005, 18:11
Madness! There's a ton of great minis on that list. Thanks for the heads up dax!

Yodhrin
22-11-2005, 18:11
Well, I did intend to model my Magos and his Retinue in Inquisitor scale, but that's out the window as all the bitz I was planning on using are going. No point getting back into Mordheim now most of the Hired Swords are gone. And all the classy models from Necromunda are vanishing too.

Dammit, the whole appeal of the Specialist Games for me was that I could quickly set up a characterfull band with minimal converting, so I could focus that aspect of the hobby on my 40K forces :mad:

Tastyfish
22-11-2005, 18:13
This is fantastic news! Epic has been left alone, they might have recognised Inquisitor works better as a proper RPG rather than big necromunda and speaking of necromunda they have much more space to finish doing the new versions of the original gangs!

Shadowheart
22-11-2005, 18:14
I don't get it. What does "retired" mean? SG stuff is only available in a handful of stores anyway. And I don't see why mail order shouldn't be able to supply it. So what's the deal?

Tastyfish
22-11-2005, 18:16
Mail Order won't be making it. The moulds will live in a small box away from the rest of the lines and only get taken out at special occasions.

Dodgy Ed
22-11-2005, 18:17
AFAIK retired means to be taken out of production, although I hope this isn't so:mad:

Inquisitor Samos
22-11-2005, 18:22
This is fantastic news! Epic has been left alone, they might have recognised Inquisitor works better as a proper RPG rather than big necromunda and speaking of necromunda they have much more space to finish doing the new versions of the original gangs!That's a wonderfully optimistic take on the situation........

Unfortunately GW will likely repay you by cutting the crap out of all of the ranges they didn't hit this time, in their next round of "rationalizations."

And I certainly wouldn't advise you to think that there won't be another round.......... speaking frankly, I've been expecting just this sort of thing ever since they moved Specialist Games back under the overall Studio umbrella.

Grimshawl
22-11-2005, 18:31
Yeah I saw it on the SG Blog earlier today so this is the official line, anyone interested should go and read it off the Specialist Games Homepage, they also go on to tell you how you can order a specialist Games catalog for 25.00 dollars in the USA or get the UK one for 4 pounds however that seems and looks all cocked up, either they've mispriced the one or the two catalogs have very little in common either way hurry and order one now so you can reward GW for hosing the specialist games once again.

starlight
22-11-2005, 18:33
Thus we see the result of plummeting share price: Panic in the hallways of GW.:(

Shadowheart
22-11-2005, 18:42
Mail Order won't be making it. The moulds will live in a small box away from the rest of the lines and only get taken out at special occasions.

That's what I was afraid of. Say what you will about bitter veterans, but they become bitter for a reason. If it weren't GW I'd find this hard to believe.

Inquisitor Samos
22-11-2005, 19:14
Yes, indeed........ it smacks of more of that attitude that many have been imputing to GW, with more and more supporting evidence all the time:

'You, yes, you there, the so-called "Customer!" You shall buy what we tell you to buy, and shall think popular what we tell you shall be popular, and you shall not question what we say for we make the decisions and you do not!'

N0-1_H3r3
22-11-2005, 19:38
This is fantastic news! Epic has been left alone, they might have recognised Inquisitor works better as a proper RPG rather than big necromunda and speaking of necromunda they have much more space to finish doing the new versions of the original gangs!
Actually, Epic would have had to have been left alone, as there isn't really a range to retire, given that next to nothing is available for it anyway... BFG get spared because it sells well in the US, Blood Bowl gets mostly spared (the old human team has already been replaced, so they only really lose the Ogre Team) because it sells hugely well in Europe, and Inquisitor, in spite of apparently being one of their better-selling ranges, because of the painting and conversions opportunities given by the models, is losing the most, because it's so woefully misunderstood by the majority of GW's customer base, who either think that it's Big 40k or a Roleplaying Game, when it tends to sit neatly in between those two extremes.

The excuse of limited product codes can only go so far, especially when more than half of the Inquisitor range has been dumped (and, given that no other GW models are made to 54mm scale, effectively killing off any hope of future support for that game)

And note how their 'Worldwide plan' only actually covers the US and Europe, once again entirely ignoring or forgetting that they have lots of potential customers in Australia and New Zealand, who can't get any Specialist Games stuff unless they order from overseas.

Grimshawl
22-11-2005, 19:45
I had noticed that, even tho alot of good stalwart SGs customers live in Australia and have repeatedly tried to get some support. Its really crappy

CallOfTheBeowolf
22-11-2005, 20:09
:mad: what a load of *censored by the inquisition* thats really not *censored by the inquisition* well on, I dont know what *censored by the inquisition* GW are playing at the bunch of *censored by the inquisition* :mad:

:D Right rant over, that really is bad news, man the specialist games are the best games. I love Necromunda and Mordheim, its not the fact that i've allready got all the models i need, its the fact that new players wont be able to find them which means even less interest in what are some of the finest games GW have mad

Bad form games workshop, bad form

Delicious Soy
22-11-2005, 20:17
Thus we see the result of plummeting share price: Panic in the hallways of GW.:(Which in turn leads to **** poor managers making half assed decisions instead of assertively addressing the issue.

starlight
22-11-2005, 20:28
No, that's what happens every day at GW, I know, I've seen it up close and personal from the inside.:eek: It's amazing how many senior people at GW couldn't cut it on the *outside* yet have high paying senior jobs simply because they've been there the longest and outlasted everyone else.:(

Zark the Damned
22-11-2005, 20:42
Damn that sucks bigtime... Guess I HAVE to do that big order of stuff I wanted before Xmas then before all the good stuff is pulled.

Those BB Ogres are fantastic minis, probably the best BB minis that have been created to date by GW! Pulling them is a crime - they should dump the crappy models first.

Lostanddamned
22-11-2005, 20:48
Any decent Inquisitor model has been dropped.

What is the logic for this 54mm holocaust?

Time to retaliate, lead the 54mm rights march on GWHQ.

...sorry I am listening to RATM atm and it makes me quite militant...

starlight
22-11-2005, 20:56
HEY!:mad: The Inq *models* are cool! Good thing I got 90% of the stuff I wanted last year.

Still......:(

Griefbringer
22-11-2005, 21:33
Doh, this is getting silly - another case of GW shooting their own foot by abusing the specialist range.

It is not like the said models would take so huge amounts of room in the inventory, and since the stores don't really stock them that is not an issue either. I fail to see any economic benefits from this one.

neXus6
22-11-2005, 21:45
Damn it, I won't have any money to spend till Christmas, (damn dwarves).
This is the biggest piece of rubbish, the stupidest crap that GW has pulled yet.
:mad:

The fob us off with the absolutly crap new necromunda models and then have the nerve to remove the old ones from sale. The Ogre team...they only just released that, yes it was crap but still that is a fair turn around.
It really is Necromunda and Mordheim taking the biggest knocks, the old Necro models are some of the finest around, particularly the Ratskins, the new ratskins suck badly.

*storms off to the SG forums to shout at someone*

Delicious Soy
22-11-2005, 22:09
No, that's what happens every day at GW, I know, I've seen it up close and personal from the inside.:eek: It's amazing how many senior people at GW couldn't cut it on the *outside* yet have high paying senior jobs simply because they've been there the longest and outlasted everyone else.:(
Sorry starlight, didn't mean to imply this was anything out of the ordinary for GW :p

violenceha
23-11-2005, 04:02
i've noticed that even some of the miniatures from the core games have been disappearing from the online stores, what the hell is going on?

Brandir
23-11-2005, 09:56
Maybe this is an attempt by GW to raise a little bit of money - perhaps they are hoping that withdrawing these lines will result in a cash boost as gamers try and buy up the remaining stock?

Jedi152
23-11-2005, 10:24
i've noticed that even some of the miniatures from the core games have been disappearing from the online stores, what the hell is going on?
Whats going on is that GW only gives a **** about new gamers and ******* space marines.

So this is how GW is run now? Marines get more and more boxes which are exactly the same with an extra sprue in, and SG has to be cut as a result!?



Right, it's snooty letter to GW time. If i write an offical letter of complaint, who will sign it with me? If we can get enough names we might be able to convince GW that this is insane!

God this has got me so mad.

This might be the thing that kills the hobby for me.

Charax
23-11-2005, 11:04
Yeah I saw it on the SG Blog earlier today so this is the official line, anyone interested should go and read it off the Specialist Games Homepage, they also go on to tell you how you can order a specialist Games catalog for 25.00 dollars in the USA or get the UK one for 4 pounds however that seems and looks all cocked up, either they've mispriced the one or the two catalogs have very little in common either way hurry and order one now so you can reward GW for hosing the specialist games once again.

Grim, the UK/Europe one is only specialist games, the US one covers all the collector's minis as well (like the old tyranid warriors) - five seconds of looking at the mail order entries would have told you that.

Tastyfish
23-11-2005, 11:10
Maybe this is an attempt by GW to raise a little bit of money - perhaps they are hoping that withdrawing these lines will result in a cash boost as gamers try and buy up the remaining stock?
Its more likely that they just don't make any money at all, and create a loss by taking up too much storage space. In all fairness its not that unreasonable for GW to withdraw models that no one ever brought anyway. SG can only operate as a business, its unrealistic to just assumed it should be run as a money pit where GW can throw away excess profit.

A snooty letter will do nothing, you want those models - donate a few thousand pounds to SG, doesn't even need to be tens of thousand - just one or two K, whatever you can afford. This is what you are asking GW to do.

Avian
23-11-2005, 11:12
What is the point in this? I can order archive models from the eighties still, so why remove models that aren't in stores anyway?

Dammit, I was going to get me a unit of Ogre Blood Bowl players for my Ogre army at some point, but not NOW.

Aaaargh! :mad:

Brushmonkey
23-11-2005, 11:22
It will mean that their product codes are being retired. GW have to do this every now and then to allow new minis to be produced.

Kargos Bloodspit
23-11-2005, 11:36
Says on that list that there are necromunda fire dragons, can somebody point me in the right direction?

Tastyfish
23-11-2005, 11:49
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=FNCM003A&orignav=301117 Can only find the Farseer, but they were his bodyguards

Quite old I think, might be before Underhive whilst they were doing the magazines.

librerian_samae
23-11-2005, 12:13
:eek:
This is just taking the ****!
Luckly Ive just got my bloodbowl team.
Unfortunately I never finished my inquisitor team (only managed to get the kroot)
looks like I'll be splurging on bits to make a valhalan at the least

Grimshawl
23-11-2005, 13:03
a while back when you could still get info about how SGs figures were doing for the company it was said that the Inquisitor line was the most profitable of the specialist games and now that line is taking the biggest hit with these cuts, also I'd like someone to come forward with any actuall info showing that specialist Games was ever loosing money, true they were not a hugely profitable division of the company but nowhere can I find any mention of them loosing money for GW.

anyway I'm personally about to write GW, even SGs off as a loss and stop worrying about them or getting upset and just go get into another companies games why hassle with a company that has proven over and over they dont want my patronage or perhaps I'll just pretend the company died along time ago and all their stuff is long OOP and whatever I have is all I'm ever gonna have.

Jedi152
23-11-2005, 13:22
The question is, come Dec. 10th, will they sell off remaining stock at reduced price?

Griefbringer
23-11-2005, 13:35
It will mean that their product codes are being retired. GW have to do this every now and then to allow new minis to be produced.

I am not really sure this makes any sense really. "Oh no, we have run out of numbers! Let's panic!"

Jedi152
23-11-2005, 13:51
New statement:


The guys in Direct Sales have contacted me to let you know that some of the below reported Inquisitor models (in fact the vast majority) are not being retired at all just simply repackaged and/or amalgamated to fit in with the new catalogue structure.

Sorry for the confusion, the list I was given was unclear about this aspect. Muir Murdoch, who manages the ranges, emailed me the details:

"Simeon 38X, Damien Bloodhound, Mutant Emissary Fabian, and Lucrezia Bravus have all been added into the original boxes that they are made from giving the customer the option of doing Damian 1472 or Simeon 38X for example. The Chaos henchmen have just been renamed as Chaos Henchman Conversion Pack. The Kroot mercenary has had the contents changed to contain a complete normal kroot. Not the merc with the funny hands and helmet. The weapons booster and servo skulls will be only available loose."

For now,
Andy @ Fanatic

Doesn't help any non =][= players though, does it? Oh yes, i forgot. Fantasy games can't fit space marines in them, and are of less value to GW. :rolleyes:

librerian_samae
23-11-2005, 13:53
Does that mean that they are still ditching the imperial gaurd line of inquisitor? Bugger:mad:

Inquisitor Samos
23-11-2005, 14:07
It will mean that their product codes are being retired. GW have to do this every now and then to allow new minis to be produced.I am not really sure this makes any sense really. "Oh no, we have run out of numbers! Let's panic!"In my mind this "retiring codes so they can be reused" business is a combination of laziness and bovine droppings. No modern business actually has to hold its product code sizes to four or five digits. The only logical reason for even temporarily removing a code from use is if the item is being replaced by a newer version that will still be under the same code.


The question is, come Dec. 10th, will they sell off remaining stock at reduced price?I must presume that you are joking; this is GW we're discussing here........

Brandir
23-11-2005, 15:10
The question is, come Dec. 10th, will they sell off remaining stock at reduced price?

I am not going to hold my breath waiting for an 'end of line' sale!

Minister
23-11-2005, 15:11
Whatever happened to the old days of Mail Order, when the only way they wouldn't sell you a metal model was if the mould no longer worked?

Jedi152
23-11-2005, 15:11
They'll most probably end up just sitting on the same shelf they're on now. Doing nothing.


Whatever happened to the old days of Mail Order, when the only way they wouldn't sell you a metal model was if the mould no longer worked?
When i started collecting citadel, you could MO anything GW have ever produced, except the old LOTR mini's. That was when GW actually cared about it's fans...

neXus6
23-11-2005, 15:14
As much as I dislike it, I think Ebay is going to become better than MO very very shortly. :)

Quetzl
23-11-2005, 15:32
With all of this production cutting, it wouldn't surprise me if some mini's from Fantasy and LoTR get snipped. I mean 40k has so much power that it could reduce the other two into no better than specialist games...

As for the Specialist games stuff it always seemed that they never got enough attention, they were barely ever in the White Dwarfs except for Necromunda a couple od months back. But after they get released they vanish never to be seen again... I think that GW should make White Dwarfs even bigger, I mean for the price its tiny, and you'd be able to fit 20pages + for all of the specialist games.

Now I don't play any specialist games, but I know people who do, and it must be difficult to buy and game with things that the company making them doesn't pay much attention to.

Grimshawl
23-11-2005, 15:47
as much sense as GW displays I wouldnt put it past them to do something totally hair brained at this point like stick certain armies from 40k they've been neglecting like dark eldar and Orks into a bran new SG catagory, Specialist Games presents Xenos Armies, these unique armies being smaller than the core 40K Space Marine system we are going to will now be supported by the Fanatics so as to give them that personal touch SGs has come to be known for, we've recently down sized the SG range of models to make way for these new aditions to the Specialist Games Family, this is an exciting time for us here at SG so check back on our semi bi weekly Blog for further anouncements.

rkunisch
23-11-2005, 16:25
The move of Specialist Games does not surprise me much. It is obvious that at some point there was made the decision to remove the whole idea of Specialist Games. I think it must have be around the time when Fanatic Magazine was launched. Up to then there was regulary progress in regards of publications and minis.

Beginning with the Fanatic Magazine and the streamlining the whole SG began to crumble. To be honest I am surprised that this part of GW lasted so long. It must have been the additional funds from the LotR profits what kept it alive. The so called "SG team" and the "online support" is absolutely a joke. :mad:

Face it: GW has always neglected their side games. They came and vanished in a very short period of time (say about half a year maybe?). It always was a way to sell a box and some minis. Nothing less and nothing more. Neither of the SG range games have ever had a big fan base and/or sales figures. Do not get me wrong, I think there are some really nice games among them (personally I own/play Warmaster, Mordheim, Blood Bowl and Battlefleet Gothic). There are also some games that would have earned a review/rerelease (like Space Hulk, Warhammer Quest, etc.). Still, Specialist Games was a difficult endeavour to start and it does not worked out too good saleswise.

I do not think that Specialist Games will make it to Xmas 2006.

RIP.

Have fun,

Rolf.

Minister
23-11-2005, 16:41
When i started collecting citadel, you could MO anything GW have ever produced, except the old LOTR mini's. That was when GW actually cared about it's fans...
Technically, you can still order the old Marauder stuff from them, as they've never recinded any of it.

However, they never cast plastics on-demand, which is fair enough.

Tastyfish
23-11-2005, 17:01
as much sense as GW displays I wouldnt put it past them to do something totally hair brained at this point like stick certain armies from 40k they've been neglecting like dark eldar and Orks into a bran new SG catagory, Specialist Games presents Xenos Armies, these unique armies being smaller than the core 40K Space Marine system we are going to will now be supported by the Fanatics so as to give them that personal touch SGs has come to be known for, we've recently down sized the SG range of models to make way for these new aditions to the Specialist Games Family, this is an exciting time for us here at SG so check back on our semi bi weekly Blog for further anouncements.
That happens already though its not SG - the intention is that in a few months the specialist space marine sets (BT at the moment) are going to become Mail Order only as they just don't have room. Its the solution to the problems with independant stockists having to support the full plastic range without hvaing space issue.
Advertise the hell out of BT now, and then let them fade a bit into the background rather than clog the stores with 5 indentical products. Splash release its called, happened first with the SoB exorcist (which was apparently underpriced in comparison to other vehicles).

Yes! That's right, its going to be SG presents...Marines! Get your dancing hats on and wait for marine players to complain about being shafted. Then gleefully beat them round the head with a modern and RT era dreadnaught and say that next time they can choose which of the two they prefer.

But seriously - how hard is it to understand that a lot of the specialist games do not simply make money. Half of the WFB and 40K ranges don't make money and purely exist to make the universe interesting enough for space marines to play in. There are massive levels of subsidising going on within GW games, marine players pay for you to have your army being the same price as theirs. Something like 50% of GW sales are marine tactical squads, not even 40K, but total sales.
SG is only there because GW likes gamers, but its foolish to think that there aren't limits on its generosity, especially as its a public company.

Grimshawl
23-11-2005, 17:33
you have anything, an interview or report to actually back up your assertion that nothing but marines make up the profit? I am not arguing that they sell alot more marines than any other thing however lets see something that shows the other lines are actually a drain and do not make money themselves. I think you will find that all the 40k lines as an example actually do make money, their may be a few singular items that dont in themselves make money but as an example even the squats before they were canned were making enough money to be acceptable to GW, thats from an interview with Jervis last year by the way. By your same logic everything ever produced by forgeworld that wasnt Marine should have been either scraped or was put out simply out of the goodness of GWs heart, not true at all, whether a company sells you their number one selling product or their least sold product they are still making money on the transaction.

Lastly I think you may have mail order and specialist games confused in your mind, having Black Templars eventually go to mail order does not infact make them a specialist games product, if only that were true.

Tastyfish
23-11-2005, 17:38
I did actually say that...the SG presents was just the example some suggested earlier, which is pretty much the same as a mail order only thing.

Will have to check up on the marine thing, was either ages ago or on Portent that the thing was first mentioned. That 50% of sales are marines is seen quite often, and I'm sure I've seen the marine subsidy thing posted as something mentioned in one of the seminars after a GD some time ago.

[Edit] Ye Gods, not a chance of finding it just using search...probably due to my own ineptness. Your probably right that most lines make money, however there are a lot of units that don't and a lot of lines that couldn't function reaslistically on their own. Lines with very low profit margins also have the problem of being a risky army comercially, without excess profit from others its probably going to be a lot more difficult of covering fixed costs. Thinking about it its probably here that the marine subsidy comes in - most lines probably pay for themselves, but it is the marines who do above and beyond this and are capable of providing profit/covering cost of buildings and running of non-model making machinery (i.e paying for mail order staff, computers and other odd stuff that doesn't physically go into making the model)

Grimshawl
23-11-2005, 17:47
like I said I'm not arguing the large amount of marines sold, I think at last quoted it was 40% of sales however that also means 60% of sales come from other purchases and neither percentage has anything to do one way or the other with actual profit gained from those purchases. Anyway beleive it or not I dont want the SM players screwed the way many of the other GW lines are I just want a little more atention paid to their other fine products.

thunderwolf
23-11-2005, 21:21
Could I have worse timing? Have just spent the past few weeks convincing myself to get back into Mordheim, and also pick up Necro. May have to convince people to give me Christmas presents early so I can trawl mail order for anything interesting...

Grimtuff
23-11-2005, 22:33
Oh dear oh dear, looks like i'm gonna have to do an order tomorrow of some cool figs (Caller+ Redeemer, Inq. Scarn and the Elf Mage for sure)

GW MO won't know what hit it, i'm tempted to have a rant at the poor unfortunate troll if he asks why I am ordering all of this :evilgrin:

Kargos Bloodspit
24-11-2005, 00:25
Something like 50% of GW sales are marine tactical squads, not even 40K, but total sales.

It was said 2 years ago (2003) by Jes Goodwin that GW sold 100 million figures a year, and 40% of that was Space Marines.

Verm1s
24-11-2005, 08:57
Sunnuvabitch!


I'll have to spend £XX just to buy minis I had planned to get at some point in the future right before christmas to!
You and me both.

Although... In an unscrupulous turn of mind, I could also order up some of the more popular items, wait a few months, then sell them at an inflated price on ebay... Ye gods! GW should be beating down my door...

Griefbringer
24-11-2005, 09:12
It was said 2 years ago (2003) by Jes Goodwin that GW sold 100 million figures a year, and 40% of that was Space Marines.

That sounds slightly exaggerated - though a few months ago I saw on this forum some excerpts from a GW report stating that out of their 40K sales about 50% was Space Marines and around 16% Chaos Space Marines.

I do not quite remember what was the share of 40K in the total sales - would need to dug up that thread.

Kargos Bloodspit
24-11-2005, 10:04
That sounds slightly exaggerated - though a few months ago I saw on this forum some excerpts from a GW report stating that out of their 40K sales about 50% was Space Marines and around 16% Chaos Space Marines.

I do not quite remember what was the share of 40K in the total sales - would need to dug up that thread.


According to this (http://boards.fool.co.uk/Message.asp?mid=9523942&sort=postdate) site it breaks down like this:


WH40K - 40%
Fantasy - 28%
LotR - 22%
Everything else - 10%

at the 7th of September 2005.

talos935
24-11-2005, 10:04
Damn it I wanted to get some Inquisitor models AFTER xmas, well that's thrown a spanner in the works.
No beer and parties makes talos935 go........

Jedi152
24-11-2005, 10:07
=][= shouldn't be too bad.

The second press release says that the majority of cut mini's will simply be reboxed into current sets.

I'm less mad about this today, but i still don't understand getting rid of the elf mage and ogre team? The mini's are beautiful!

ScooterinAB
24-11-2005, 15:49
Um... You guys are aware that they released a statement saying that they were only repackaging the models? The said that there was a miscommunication.

The guys in Direct Sales have contacted me to let you know that some of the below reported Inquisitor models (in fact the vast majority) are not being retired at all just simply repackaged and/or amalgamated to fit in with the new catalogue structure.

Sorry for the confusion, the list I was given was unclear about this aspect. Muir Murdoch, who manages the ranges, emailed me the details:

"Simeon 38X, Damien Bloodhound, Mutant Emissary Fabian, and Lucrezia Bravus have all been added into the original boxes that they are made from giving the customer the option of doing Damian 1472 or Simeon 38X for example. The Chaos henchmen have just been renamed as Chaos Henchman Conversion Pack. The Kroot mercenary has had the contents changed to contain a complete normal kroot. Not the merc with the funny hands and helmet. The weapons booster and servo skulls will be only available loose."

For now,
Andy @ Fanatic

nurgle_boy
24-11-2005, 16:53
Per message on Specialist Games website the following miniatures are to be retired.

Blood Bowl: ... Blood Bowl Ogre Team.

Necromunda: ... The Caller, ... Necromunda Farseer and Fire Dragons.

Warmaster: ...

Inquisitor: Simeon 38X, Techpriest Tezla, Damian Bloodhound, Fabian, Yanvan Yastobaal, Bravus, Karshak, Servo Skulls, Chaos Henchman, Imperial Guards, Kroot Mercenary, Weapon Boosters, Talon, Toothpick Murke, Genestealer and Magus, Unbound Daemonhost, Sister Repentia, Tau Watercaste, Inquisitor Scarn, Crimelord, Citizens.

Mordheim: Freelancer, ... Johann the Knife, Halfling Cook, Merchant, Town Cryer, Stagecoach, Highway Man, Road Warden, Halfling Thief, Plague Cart, Averlanders, Ostlanders, Kisvelites, Elf Mage, ...

Well things just seem to be going from bad to worse for SG. The above minis will only be available until the 10th of December. I'll have to spend £60 just to buy minis I had planned to get at some point in the future right before christmas to!

all of the things included in the quote are good models, and should be kept (i dont know warmaster, so im no sure.

the town cryer going means no musicians for my zombo units, theres most of the inquisitor characters gone (28mm expansion maybe?) all i can say, is that its a baaaaaad move

boogle
24-11-2005, 19:52
well here ends my Kislevite army then, as i won't be able to get anymore infantry for them.

I wonder how many of these figures will now appear on Ebay with an OOP/Ltd moniker on them now?

Yodhrin
24-11-2005, 21:25
Um... You guys are aware that they released a statement saying that they were only repackaging the models? The said that there was a miscommunication.

The guys in Direct Sales have contacted me to let you know that some of the below reported Inquisitor models (in fact the vast majority) are not being retired at all just simply repackaged and/or amalgamated to fit in with the new catalogue structure.

Sorry for the confusion, the list I was given was unclear about this aspect. Muir Murdoch, who manages the ranges, emailed me the details:

"Simeon 38X, Damien Bloodhound, Mutant Emissary Fabian, and Lucrezia Bravus have all been added into the original boxes that they are made from giving the customer the option of doing Damian 1472 or Simeon 38X for example. The Chaos henchmen have just been renamed as Chaos Henchman Conversion Pack. The Kroot mercenary has had the contents changed to contain a complete normal kroot. Not the merc with the funny hands and helmet. The weapons booster and servo skulls will be only available loose."

For now,
Andy @ Fanatic

Mmm, yes, and what about the other ranges being cut? I planned to use Kal Jericho as a Rogue Trader for a 40K army. Inq. Scarus I wanted just to paint. Many classy Mordheim models which added a lot to campaigns are going.

Not all of us can suddenly come up with £50+postage to grab all the models we planned to buy over a longer period, so what are we supposed to do now, wait a couple of months and pay three times the price on eBay for "OOP" minis?

What I dont understand is why these models are vanishing completely, you can still get some really oldschool models from MO if you chat with the staff, ask nicely and are prepared to wait for them to try and find one for you, so why not just shove these in plastic baggies in a box under some desks and state they wont cast them anymore except for special events, why completely remove them from sale?

boogle
24-11-2005, 21:38
[QUOTE=Yodhrin]Mmm, yes, and what about the other ranges being cut? I planned to use Kal Jericho as a Rogue Trader for a 40K army. QUOTE]
you read my mind about that

Jedi152
25-11-2005, 07:13
Um... You guys are aware that they released a statement saying that they were only repackaging the models? The said that there was a miscommunication.
I mentioned it at least twice in this thread! ;)

But the other ranges are being cut.

Mr Tiddles
25-11-2005, 15:13
Blog's been updated again. Might not be as bad as first appeared:
http://www.specialist-games.com/

Important bit below:

"Right now on to some good news and a frank apology. It seems the list I was given for Tuesday’s blog about the new catalogues and some models coming out of production was, as Inquisitor players will already be aware, not entirely accurate. The confusion has come about because some models will no longer be available as components but remain as blisters and boxed sets whilst others will no longer be packaged and only be available ‘loose’ and some models, as I originally stated, will be removed from the range, although the moulds will remain so they may well return at later dates or at suitable promotional periods. Apologies for the confusion, (I’ve not had the best of weeks) here is the accurate information:

Necromunda: The Caller, Redeemer and Kal Jericho will remain available as Boxed and set and Blisters only. The other models listed in Tuesday’s blog are being retired as previously stated.

BFG: Good news for Gothic players, you actually gain a code! The Dauntless class will now be sold as separate torpedo and lance variants.

Blood Bowl: The Ogre team will remain available as a blister and team box only, no components.

Mordheim: The Freelancer, Ogre, Johann, Halfling Cook & Thief, Town Cryer, Elf Mage, Pit Fighter Ogre, Road Warden, Highway Man, will remain as blisters only. The Plague Cart and Stage Coach will remain as boxed sets only (you can’t purchase the components).

Inquisitor has already been covered in an earlier blog and the Warmaster range as listed on Tuesday remains unchanged.

For now,
Andy @ Fanatic"

Jedi152
25-11-2005, 15:21
Wow!

GW just got in my good books again!

boogle
25-11-2005, 16:34
i bet that makes people happy now to some degree

Verm1s
25-11-2005, 20:12
Yyyup, it does. Though I'll still have to order the Necro rat-god before the 10th.

dax
25-11-2005, 20:36
It shows a complete lack of communication within GW that the list we where originally given has now been changed and clarified twice. What exactly is going on does no body talk to each other within GW.

Luckily the bits I ordered where all warmaster bits that remain unchanged but I'd be pissed if I was one of the people who where paniced into buying something in the last few days only to find out the bits where just being repackaged.

Skaven Lord Vinshqueek
28-11-2005, 09:45
Odd though, that now when the Ogre teams is made official, they cut it from the list. It's in my opinion a real shame that so many models are cut off the list, even some that haven't been open for sale.

Greetz

Festus
28-11-2005, 10:06
Hi

The Ogre team is NOT cut, it simply is not availiable in components anymore: So no single Ogre legs for you. That's all.

Greetings
Festus

Gaebriel
28-11-2005, 11:10
What is the point in this? I can order archive models from the eighties still, so why remove models that aren't in stores anyway? ...
Anyone better order what you need now... :(

GW has been cutting bits from it's 40k archives at an amazing rate since this summer, among them some reasonably good stuff. Why would they cut the Ultramarines Sergeant Shoulder pad? Just because those are available on the new command sprue in plastic now? And you can after all fit out your ten Sergeants by buying ten sprues then? :(

Sorry, personal rant...

What worries me is that GW is cutting into one of it's main advantages from my point of view - a free bits order. If they keep this up, and I'm afraid they may, there will be no single bits left after this 40k edition is through - don't know about the Warhammer range?

And I would need a €300 quick order of Archive bits just to cover my basic needs, and another €200 for what I planned on buying.

I'm not sure I like the way GW is developing, and I certainly begin to understand the rants of GW veterans from the eighties... :(

my_name_is_tudor
28-11-2005, 11:21
No models have been dropped.

The models you suggest have been dropped never existed in the first place.

Also, 2 + 2 = 5.

Big Brother loves you.

Grimshawl
28-11-2005, 18:51
Complete lack of communication, thats it exactly, SGs actually moves in to the main building when its downsized and yet still cant get it straight, this is also the same kinda communication problems GW has with its customers, its like they are using the paper cups and string play phones from when you where a child,, Hello GW I just wanted to tell you you can stop with the Space Marines now, we have plenty................Whats that more Space Marines, need plenty, we're on it!........

Whats that your getting rid of all these figures....right I'm on it..... hows that now your not getting rid of all, oh well yes I already anounced it......Hey could you just walk across the room and give me the list already, Thanks.

Paddy
29-11-2005, 00:13
What worries me is that GW is cutting into one of it's main advantages from my point of view - a free bits order. If they keep this up, and I'm afraid they may, there will be no single bits left after this 40k edition is through - don't know about the Warhammer range?

And I would need a €300 quick order of Archive bits just to cover my basic needs, and another €200 for what I planned on buying.


*plug for main rival*

Mongoose Publishing (of SST fame) now do some parts, and its expanding what's available as components still as far as I know.

dax
29-11-2005, 17:38
Posted by St.germaine on Dakka today:

>I contacted Customer Service and got the following reply: "As far as we know, we are not discontinuing any Specialist games models. We are working to keep these available for order."

They haven't even told their own staff!

boogle
29-11-2005, 17:45
quel surprise!, my old manager always said that GW staff are like Mushrooms, kept in the Dark and fed on *****

Shadowheart
29-11-2005, 18:35
Apparently the Mordheim Kislevites are already unavailable, at least that's what a friend of mine was told when he placed an order at a store this morning. I did notice they took some of the Kislevites off the UK online store. So much for december 10th, and so much for my Kislev warband.

This could've all gone a whole lot better if they'd simply taken their time. Give everyone a couple months to get everything straight. A bit of professionalism would've made it easier on everyone.

boogle
29-11-2005, 18:41
yep, there is only the captain and the Bear/Tamer left on the online store (shame as they were some really nice models)

dax
07-12-2005, 17:24
Now I'm really pissed off I placed a large order on the 22nd of November and I received an email today (2 weeks later) informing me that they can not supply half the order and will be refunding the money for the cut items.

2 weeks! it took them to tell me and the money was taken off my credit card the following day. I've written them a really snotty email and will be ringing them at the weekend if I get no joy from that.

GW has just lost a customer this fiasco has made up my mind for me.

Agamemnon2
11-12-2005, 12:17
I've got money riding on the odds that we'll be seeing some more of these "slimmings-down" in the months to come. Somehow, I think the Warhound and Reaver Titans for Epic will be next, plus something insignificant like all Blood Bowl Star Players. :-P

Hashut's Li'l Helper
13-12-2005, 02:55
Kislev henchmen still seem to be available on the us store