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barbadark
23-01-2009, 12:00
Are going to participate in a upcomming tournament, comments please...

2250 pts High elves

Lords & Heroes

Prince
General, Armour of caledor, Vambraces of defence, Lance, talisman of loec
248
Star Dragon
370

Mage
Level 2, Scroll, Scroll+silver wand
185
Mage
Level 2, Ring of Corin, Scroll
175

Core
10 Archers
110

14 Spearmen
126

Special
Tiranoc Chariot
85
Lion Chariot
140

5 Dragon Princes
std+captain, Banner of ellyrion, amulet of light
240

8 White Lions
captain+std, Banner of sorcery, Skeinsilver
269

Rare
Repeater Bolt Thrower
100
Repeater Bolt Thrower
100

Great Eagle
50
Great Eagle
50

Tot 2248

barbadark
24-01-2009, 16:14
Comments please...

sroblin
24-01-2009, 17:32
At the very least you need to beef up your units to the point that they can be actually effective. The army is so top heavy on star dragons and magic defense, that everything else is not especially tough.

Bring the spearmen up to 18 or more (preferably more, because there are so few units that they're going to receive more attentionf from the enemy.) And give them at least a standard + musician, if you expect them to hold in combat. I suppose they were just included to take up the core slot, but you have so few other combat units I don't think its good to leave them just as a throw-away. You can still combine them with chariots, for example, for a deadly combined charge.
The White Lions are also too small, considering they are one of 3 combat units in the army. Going with minimalist MSU with a unit only makes sense IMO when there are actually multiple units. When there are only a few other targets to choose from, it will be easy to gun them down (3+ armor saves will only take you so far). At least give them another rank to absorbe casualties, unlike Swordmasters, White Lions can still use the rank bonus, and more importantly they need to absorbe the casualties to have a full front rank when they reach combat.
Beef up the Dragon Princes to at least 6; given that they're probably going to be fighting alone, they can use the extra attacks, and they'll probably take casualties anyway.
Where to trim for the points? Maybe a great eagle here, a magic item there is what I would say.

thrawn
24-01-2009, 17:56
ya units way to small. get rid of one mage, and try to beef up units.

maybe also get rid of one RBT

barbadark
29-01-2009, 12:01
The key purpose with the list is to always decide were and when close combat will happen. I will only make attacks which involves mulipel units. By having fastmoving units it's possible.
For exampel:
Combos: Stardragon, chariot
Chariot, Dragon Princes.
Chariot Chariot

The army is fast enough and tough enough to take out a "shooty" army(with comp. they are not able to make a complete gunline).

I'll tend to be a bit "to afraid" of magic. This due to the cost of the units. I'm going to play a tournament which will only allow 9 powerdice so perhapse I'll get rid of one scroll.
Also if I get rid of the Tiranoc chariot that will give me some points to bbef up the Lions.

Concerning PD I think that 5 is optimal because then you can also get a chariot in the game. That means that I like to have the option to take a chariot and PD and charge a full unit of 20 enemies head on and not in the flank.

For example:

Calculation against troops with ws lower then 5 and toughness 3, as 4
PD(incl mounts) 5 w
Lionchariot: 2,5 w(imp) + 2 w(lions) + 1 w(riders)= 5,5 w
Enemies: 1 w
Ranks: 3
Flag: 1
Outnumber: 1
Tot: 6
Results: I win the combat with 4,5.

barbadark
29-01-2009, 12:06
Here is the edited list:

2250 pts High elves

Lords & Heroes

Prince
General, Armour of caledor, Vambraces of defence, Lance, talisman of loec
248
Star Dragon
370

Mage
Level 2, Scroll+silver wand
185
Mage
Level 2, Ring of Corin, Scroll
175

Core
10 Archers
110

14 Spearmen
126

Special

Lion Chariot
140

5 Dragon Princes
std+captain, Banner of ellyrion, amulet of light
240

7 White Lions
captain+std, Banner of sorcery, Skeinsilver
254

7 Swordmasters
Captain
120

Rare
Repeater Bolt Thrower
100
Repeater Bolt Thrower
100

Great Eagle
50
Great Eagle
50

Tot 2248

fastcarfreak
29-01-2009, 18:57
why only 14 spearmen? They can attack from 3 ranks, I would think 18 or 21 is the optimum number (6x3 or 7x3)

barbadark
30-01-2009, 06:14
I have 14 spearmen because they will escort one of the mage's and all will have the possibility to strike.

Also lack of points....