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Angelust
04-02-2009, 23:24
Does the High Elf Repeater Bolt Thrower volley do -3 AS total, or -2?

I'm sure this has been asked sometime before, but the rules seem unclear. I assume it's -3, because the special rule just says it's -2 to the AS, while the ST4 -1 modifier is an additional rule based on its strength, not the special rule.

What's the community consensus on it?

stripsteak
04-02-2009, 23:32
'with armour saves suffering a -2 penalty' that includes the penalty from the S. It's just a full listing of what it does. Otherwise it would list it as with armour saves suffering an additional -2 penalty, or something like that.

Angelust
04-02-2009, 23:44
Hm, why not just give it armor piercing rule? It can be interpreted both ways it seems

Draconian77
05-02-2009, 00:09
It's -2 total and its not really open to interpretation, however considering how often this question comes up I'm really hoping GW change how its worded.

Neckutter
05-02-2009, 06:36
Hm, why not just give it armor piercing rule? It can be interpreted both ways it seems

because GW doesnt like to do things the easy way.

i always play it as S4 with a TOTAL of -2 AS modifier

SabaLoth
05-02-2009, 07:30
Hm, why not just give it armor piercing rule?

You wouldn't accuse the high elves of such an evil deed now would you, that would put them on par with their DE brothers:evilgrin:

Condottiere
05-02-2009, 08:16
It's strength 4, and the AS is modified by -2. Armour piercing is not given as the reason for the modification. Maybe they use powerful, fatal, but rather blunt rubber warheads. The damage is internal through shockwaves.

nosferatu1001
05-02-2009, 08:34
It also means that the lore of life Rain spell doesn't affect them as much....lack of the AP special rule can be a good thing at times!

Cambion Daystar
05-02-2009, 09:16
It also means that the lore of life Rain spell doesn't affect them as much....lack of the AP special rule can be a good thing at times!

Why doesn't it affect them as much?

enyoss
05-02-2009, 11:14
Why doesn't it affect them as much?

Because some of it's effects are specific to weapons with the Armour Piercing special rule, supposedly to represent the dampening of gunpowder.

Cheers,

enyoss

nosferatu1001
05-02-2009, 11:19
You get an extra -1 to hit if you have the AP rule, so RXbows for DEs would be horribly affected...

Condottiere
05-02-2009, 11:35
First you have to successfully cast it; I have yet to experience a DE player sitting idly back and letting the RXBers have all the glory.

Neckutter
05-02-2009, 14:27
oh, i dont know. my two units of 10 crossbowmen, and 1 unit of 6 dark riders took out a hippogriph and did a wound to the bret lord in one round of shooting last game i played. :)

Condottiere
05-02-2009, 14:32
Bretonnian MO does tend to be a frontal assault. :D

Did he at least try to flank you?

Neckutter
05-02-2009, 14:45
well he fly to one side of an ongoing combat, and the next turn he would have flanked me. however, on his turn the 6 errant knights broke against the hydra(the rules for the hydra are broken), and i ran them down. then during my turn i was able to get the hydra between the bret lord and the ongoing combat. luckily he was so close to my lines that i was hitting him on 3s, after repeating, with 2 of the units of crossbowmen. wounding on sixes isnt hard when you have 35 out of 52 hitting. :)