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Hunter245
09-02-2009, 15:05
Okay, I read a thread somewhere that it be possible to use daemons in between 40k and fantasy with a little converting. Is this true? because a friend of mine wants to get in but due to the fact that his wallet can't support 2 differant versions, I mentioned this. Just want to know if this is entirely possible. Thanks

Hicks
09-02-2009, 15:13
The only difference is that 40K uses round bases and WHFB square bases. Oh and the 40K daemons can take those big possessed defilers, the soul grinders. Apparently the LotR range is coming up with movement trays that will allow figs with round bases to be ranked up like in WHFB, if you have a problem playing against someone who's minis are on the wrong bases.

Inach
09-02-2009, 15:16
yup, you can use the same models. The bases are different however. Square for fantasy (they move in blocks) and round for 40k (they move as unit but not against each other).

The Soulgrinder is the only models that is used in 40k and not in fantasy.

The_Outsider
09-02-2009, 15:19
It is entirely possibly - especially since base shape in 40k isn't really an issue given the nature of the rules (without ranks being uniform isn't an issue).

You'd be hard pressed to find someone who refuses to play them because the bases are square - if someone does direct them in the direction of all bikes, as well as nearly all the cavalry models.

Corrode
09-02-2009, 15:19
Bear in mind that while fantasy requires the square bases because you need to be able to rank things up, in 40k it doesn't actually matter what base type you have. Your friend can feel free to mount his Daemons on square bases and thus have an army that works in both systems.

Sceleris
09-02-2009, 15:26
As far as I'm aware the bulk of the units, certainly all the lesser daemons, are interchangable. You'll probably need more banners and musicians, as well as unit leaders, in WFB than in 40k. There are few specialised units (soul-grinder is a 40k only thing for example).

The main issue you'll have is over basing - ie WFB should be square (and there are specific rules relating to base size) while 40k round. Personally I use square based guys in 40k (since they were originally used for WFB) and haven't had any complaints. Other people base them round and used adapted unit trays when playing WFB)

bocaj
09-02-2009, 15:31
you could use magnets to interchange them.

Chem-Dog
09-02-2009, 16:21
You'd be hard pressed to find someone who refuses to play them because the bases are square - if someone does direct them in the direction of all bikes, as well as nearly all the cavalry models.

Scout bikes (and consequently any cavalry/bikes released from now on) have rounded bases now.


As far as I'm aware the bulk of the units, certainly all the lesser daemons, are interchangable. You'll probably need more banners and musicians, as well as unit leaders, in WFB than in 40k. There are few specialised units (soul-grinder is a 40k only thing for example).

The Standard/Musician question is a difficult one to answer as they are represented by unit choices in 40K, the Icon (Standard) allows other Daemons units to enter play nearby without fear of scattering and the Musician gives a slight advantage in Melee, so, depending on your appraisal of the items and their effectiveness, the number of Daemon squads in your force and the size of those squads, you could, quite legitimately need more for 40K than you do in fantasy.
Which isn't a problem if you're using the plastic Daemonettes or Bloodletters as each box has at least two icons in.

Hunter245
10-02-2009, 01:25
Okay thanks alot, This will make him a very happy camper.

Staurikosaurus
10-02-2009, 05:13
If you/a friend plan on starting daemons, base them on round bases. Then when you make movement trays for fantasy, fill the movement tray with foamcore, cut out the spaces you need for your models and you're good to go. For skirmishing units just use pins/magnets and you're good to go.

CrownAxe
10-02-2009, 05:31
in 5ed, the rules for bases is that your suppose to use the base they come with

they come with square bases, so you can use them in 40k

but if you want to just do circle and get a movement tray for them and have the cash, go to Gaia Force Nine's online store and you can order custom movement trays for daemons

laudarkul
10-02-2009, 06:31
At our gaming club a member has a Daemon army ready for Fantasy. But he use his army also in 40k without problems (from the other member point of view). If he can magnetize the bases in order to swap them than he will have an army more than correct:D.

Devil Tree
10-02-2009, 06:41
I hope I'm not too off topic, but what size round base do bikes and cavalry use in 40K? Iím doing a conversion for pleasure seekers off of the new Chaos Hounds, but I hate using the cavalry bases for 40K. I figured they would probably be 40mm but Iím not 100% on that.

CrownAxe
10-02-2009, 06:53
GW started doing biker bases http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1570010&rootCatGameStyle=

they use to do 40mm, but now all the new bikes are on this if i understand correctly. The bases are i believe are basically 50x25mm rectangle with 1/2 of a 25mm circle on each end

Devil Tree
10-02-2009, 07:17
Thanks CrownAxe. :) I think Iíll stick with the 40mm ones. Those hybrid ones are an improvement but still look a bit off.

Inach
10-02-2009, 13:18
in 5ed, the rules for bases is that your suppose to use the base they come with

they come with square bases, so you can use them in 40k


They with both round and square bases. I would use round endeed and get a movement tray...

Korras
10-02-2009, 13:32
I'm not exactly sure if this will work, as it depends on the size of the bases. but, wouldn't it be possible to fit the square base into a round base? if so, I'd just model up the deamons on square bases, and make round bases with a square hole to fit them in for 40K games.

if this wouldn't work due to size issues, you would know I was never here, right? ;)

Corrode
10-02-2009, 13:34
GW started doing biker bases http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1570010&rootCatGameStyle=

they use to do 40mm, but now all the new bikes are on this if i understand correctly. The bases are i believe are basically 50x25mm rectangle with 1/2 of a 25mm circle on each end

I could never use those bases. They look too much like those rich-tea style biscuits (can't remember what they're called now), I get hungry just looking at them.

mattjgilbert
10-02-2009, 16:49
As it happens I'm just putting my daemons together now (after buying them when they came out!) for both systems. I actually went the opposite to most people and have mounted all the infantry on round bases. Once they are on movement trays in fantasy, the tray itself sqaures them up and ranks them (or at least that is the plan). The larger models I'm leaving on square bases not round due to the requirement in fantasy.

CrownAxe
10-02-2009, 17:36
I'm not exactly sure if this will work, as it depends on the size of the bases. but, wouldn't it be possible to fit the square base into a round base? if so, I'd just model up the deamons on square bases, and make round bases with a square hole to fit them in for 40K games.

if this wouldn't work due to size issues, you would know I was never here, right? ;)

you have it backwards

both bases are 25 mm wide. The square base would be large then the cricle base so you pauld have to make a square base with a circle hole in it