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rev
09-02-2009, 18:24
I wonder if some IG players can help,

I'm planning on putting some guard infantry units together ready for may (just infantry, waiting on tanks etc till the release).

Now I know how to mark up space marine squads, but with so many units on the table can any one shed light on how to properly mark up guard squads?

Is there a set format like there is for marines, or is it user defined.

Any advice or examples would be appreciated.

For ref, I'm planning (roughly) on:

1x 5 man command unit

1x 5 man sub command unit
between 3-5 - 10 strong guard units

1x 5 man sub command unit
between 3-5 - 10 strong guard units

so between 9 and 13 seperate infantry units.

Cheers IG experts.

rev


EDIT - vostroyans if that makes a difference?

embuchho
09-02-2009, 18:28
They're guard, there are gazillions of regiments out there and each can have its own way.

An idea - each platoon has a color and each squad has a number in or on that color.

Example, third platoon is yellow. 2nd squad 3rd platoon has a yellow shoulder pad with a black number 2 on it or just a yellow number 2.

Second platoon is red, so 1st squad 2 platoon has a red shoulder pad with a white (or black) number 1 on it.

rev
09-02-2009, 20:25
So you can do whatever you like?

Is colours the only way or are tehre set numbering systems?

cheers

rev

Khornies & milk
09-02-2009, 20:32
I don't have the IG Codex but doesn't it have some info in there that can help?
Other than that I know the IA books have a ton of info in them on Markings....helped me heaps with my Tanks.

You can use numbers or colours, and a mix of both if you want.

swamp_slug
09-02-2009, 21:04
The codex suggests a three digit squad number unique to each squad, the Cadian transfer sheet has 10 sets of 10 transfers for line squads, 1 set for stormtroopers and 4 sets for command squads.

Generally speaking this is how Cadians mark their squads, 3 digits for line squads, numbers of the form 0xx or 00x are for stormtroopers/grenadiers and command squads have 2 digits with a skull between.
A variation could be to assign a platoon-squad format e.g. 2-1 is 1st squad, 2nd platoon.

I'm also aware that the old tallarn models were marked with a coloured circle (either 1 or 2 colours with a number in the centre), I've only seen this in a few photos so I would assume it would be the platoon colour/squad number method as mentioned by embuchho.

ceaser543
09-02-2009, 21:06
I would simply put a markin on the back of the helmet to show what squad they belong to but fluff wise I have no idea (By the way Im not an ig expert...)

Marshal Argos
09-02-2009, 21:44
I would go so far as to say that Every planet does it differently. Meaning that every player will do it differently. I have seen:
Different numbers on the shoulders
Different colors on the shoulders
Different colors on the bases
Different color strip down the helmet/shoulder
Small numbers on the back of the base corresponding to squad

see the point... It's up to you to decide how you want to do it. That's one of the reasons I've been playing guard for so long, they have quite a bit of room to do as you wish.

Bunnahabhain
09-02-2009, 21:57
Pick any way you like, if it's sensible, or even if it's not, then it probably fits somewhere in the huge Organisation that is the Guard....

All of the ones mentioned above are valid.

greenbull
09-02-2009, 23:07
If I was you, I'd hold of putting markings on until you have the new codex. Nothing worse than trying to eliminate the markings in 3 months because of changes...

Gen.Steiner
09-02-2009, 23:12
According to Codex: Imperial Guard 2nd Edition and Codex: Imperial Guard 3rd Edition (v1), markings are as follows:

A Regiment has:

Red, Blue, Yellow, Green, White Companies.

Each Company then has the following:

Red Company, Red (HQ) Platoon, HQ Squad - Red disc with white 'C' for Command
Red Company, Red Platoon, 1 Squad - Red disc with white '1'. etc.

Red Company, Blue Platoon, Command - disc: top Red, bottom Blue, white 'C'.
Red Company, Green Platoon, 2 Squad - disc, top Red, bottom Green, white '2'.

And so on and so forth. These discs are usually placed on the left shoulder.

Cadian troops, as noted, have unique three-digit ID numbers.

starlight
09-02-2009, 23:19
The IG Codex (the last three versions) all have various ways of identifying your troops, so that's the best place to start.

Next would be historical markings, or those of other sci-fi universes.

Lastly (or firstly for some people) make up your own. :)

Raxmei
09-02-2009, 23:29
When I went through basic training the only visible marking between our platoons was a strip of colored tape on the buttstocks of our rifles. Past basic training there was no marking to distinguish below battalion level, and any unit that would be fighting together would certainly know each other well enough not to need it. That obviously would have to be represented by marking up the base instead of the model.

The shoulder is a likely place to put something, though that might be reserved for higher level markings like the regimental insignia. The side of the helmet is unlikely to be taken by official insignia, so some scrawled numbers there could reasonably indicate squads.

Simple question: If you were a lieutenant, how would you tell your men apart from everyone else's?

starlight
09-02-2009, 23:33
As *a* lieutenant I'd only *have* to know the section commanders and their 2ics. :p If I was a *good* Lt, I'd know the faces and backgrounds of every soldier in my platoon on sight.

Besides, just because real world militaries make sense, doesn't mean 40K has to. :p

Gazak Blacktoof
10-02-2009, 00:00
The 32nd page in this pdf has the chart from the second edition codex that Steiner outlined. There's some text on several other pages too.

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1320004_5.0_Background_and_Forces.pdf

perplexiti
10-02-2009, 00:24
For my guard I'm using the colours that were mentioned earlier but just halving the right shoulder pad, so red company yellow platoon would be half red half yellow.

For the squads I'm not sure yet but probably numbers, a C for command squads then 1,2,3...etc the numbers will just go over the colours.

Gen.Steiner
10-02-2009, 01:05
You may still be able to find the old 2nd Edition Guard Infantry Transfer sheets which have Blue Company Yellow Platoon (or Yellow Cpy Blue Plat) discs amongst others on them...

Treadhead_1st
10-02-2009, 01:18
My Cadians are all marked like so:

Cadian Gate transfer on right shoulder pad
Imperial Eagle transfer on left shoulder pad.

I mark my Platoons with weapon choices - 1st Platoon (fire support) havs standard lasguns. 2nd Platoon (assault) have lasguns with bayonettes attached.

To distinguish between squads within platoons, I use the SM Squad Numbers on the back of the rim of the model (Skull for my Command Squads, 1,2&3 for squads, 0 for Veterans, nowt for Ogryn).

I find this is quite useful as I can see which model belongs in which Platoon quickly, and a glance at the back of the base shows which model is in which squad, to ease close combat calculation.

The only time there is any confusion is when 2 Command Squads are near each other, but I try to arm them differently so I can tell them apart (PHQ has 2x Melta and Bayonettes, CHQ has 2x Flamer and CCW).

Quick, easy, and doesn't detract too much from the colour-scheme like the old method (circles with numbers in/paint shoulderpads different for each platoon) would.

Gen.Steiner
10-02-2009, 01:29
Ah, but the Codex Imperialis is sacrosanct!! :p

I must admit, that said, that the majority of my own Guardsmen have no markings at all, and their designators are painted under the base like so:

T1 S1 = Troop 1, Squad 1 etc.

laudarkul
10-02-2009, 06:34
Just an advice. Wait for the new codex to appear and perhaps GW will give us some hints.
I'll intend for my IG: C for command, 1H2 - 1=First squad; 2=Platoon.

Remoah
10-02-2009, 08:35
Paint your models how you like.
One of my mates paints it onto the base. simple numbers in blood red.
guardsmen in 1st platoon squad one get P1 S1 on the base. Platoon Command squads would get P1C. Command squad just gets C.
So on and so forth.

Also however, many companies (such as the Australian Army structure) have a continuous numbering system. So within a company there are 3 platoons of 3. However there is no 2nd platoon, 2nd section. Simply, first platoon: first section, is Section 1, and second platoon: second section is Section 5.
So you could mark them on shoulder insigina with any variety of transfers or if you've got a good hand, a fine roman numeral marking would also suffice.

How you paint them is up to you mate. good luck.

Russell's teapot
10-02-2009, 09:25
All my guard units are numbered on their shoulderpads. This works from a model soldier's position, but not so well from mine.

I paint the back of my bases different colours so that from my position I can instantly identify where units start & stop.

Gen.Steiner
10-02-2009, 21:26
That is another option, and one I used on my first Guard army in 2nd Edition - coloured blocks on the back of the bases instead of discs on the arms.

Sir_Turalyon
10-02-2009, 21:41
My lasgun guardsmen have circle in platoon colour with squad number (1,2,...) painted over it. I don't bother with company or other markings - these markings are mostly for me, to know where each unit begins and ends. Specialists and heavy weapons have no squad numbers, only platoon circles, to allow interchangability - and I don't stick to using the same platoon colour in in-game platoons. It's just way to tell apart squads that looks reasonably fluffy.

rev
10-02-2009, 22:19
Thanks all.

I'll let you know what I decide!

rev