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The Overmind
10-02-2009, 07:51
Hey guys,

I'm working on an new army list and I want to know:

What is the most popular points limits for friendly games at home/friends houses/GW stores?

I think its around 1500, 1750 or 2000, but if anyone could shed some light on this matter it would be much appreciated.

Remoah
10-02-2009, 07:54
Depends on the club/area metagame.

If alot of people at your club only have 1500-1750 armies then it'll be around there. If it's lower then most people will also be lower. Vice versa for higher.

The 'average' game i would assume would lie between 1250 and 1750pt. Games below 1000pt are hard on some armies, and over 2000 requires a fair few models.

GW Stores i believe is 1000-1500pt due to thier generally smaller table size. If you're at a mates then i'll be as big as you can get.

Ganymene
10-02-2009, 08:38
Me and my friends usually play 1750 or 1850.

I rarely like to play games of less than 1750 and I'd really prefer to play games of 2000+, but it's not easy to get games that large.

Remoah
10-02-2009, 08:42
Again it also depends on the army metagame.

If your club plays alot of guard/nidhorde/greentide armies, then you'll see 1750+ point limits. But should the club consist of mainly 12-14yo's with Marines then you'll see more 1200pt games going on.

harrytheschmuck
10-02-2009, 09:38
well, i think 1500 games are the most common. alot of the major tourneys are 1500pts like throne of skulls etc, other big tourneys like carnage are 1750 but they have lots of limits on what you can take. in Europe and USA they normally play 2000pts

i personally go for games of 1500pts as thats the standard tourney point limit and it means i can finish an army and start getting a new one. also ill keep that army and over time ill go back to it with a new unit or something so it slowly creeps up in points so i have more options.

also the 1500pt army's i get are made to split down into 2 750pt lists if i need a fast game or I'm teaming up for a doubles game etc

Born Again
10-02-2009, 09:40
Most tourneys tend to be 1500, though some are creeping it up to 1750. I think 1750 is that little bit to big, I'll probably always consider 1500 the 'standard' game size. Personally I like 1000pts though, they can be a bit easier for pick up games in stores and such which generally have smaller tables/ limited space.

mughi3
10-02-2009, 09:54
GW originally designed the core game to operate between 1,500 and 2,000 points

for thelongest time in the US the tourney limit was 1,850 and thats what most people shot for. i am seeing a big move towards 2k now since it allows you more army flexability. our gaming league has used 2K for some time now at it works just fine in a normal game setting.

Lord Malorne
10-02-2009, 10:03
Why 1850? I always found that odd, as our games are usualy multiples of 500pts...(generaly 1500pts or 2000pts)...

Anyone?

hawo0313
10-02-2009, 10:05
most games I play are 1500 points
I thinks its just the mid range area that most touneys use

ankara halla
10-02-2009, 10:08
Since 3rd, I've played vastly more games at 1500 pts. (in large parts thanks to tournaments, which most often have that limit in this neck of the wood) than at any other limit, but it varies from game to game.

the1stpip
10-02-2009, 10:30
Yeah, in my area, 1500 is the norm.

At that level, you have to choose carefully what you take, while at 1750 pts you have a lot more freedom. You can have your cake and eat it.

Staurikosaurus
10-02-2009, 10:46
my area 1850 is the norm, though you do occasionally see the 1700 or 2k games.

I'd have to say that my personal favourite is 2 000 pts - but only when I play against another gamer very familiar with the rules. With 2 experienced gamers that know their rules and the rules of the game well, a 2k game will only take 1.5 - 2 hours.

carldooley
10-02-2009, 11:05
I usually only play tournaments, and while they were 1850 in fourth, 1500 seems to be the norm now. It helps to have a little bit of flexibility in your list so that you can play any level game that you are comfortable with.

Aegius
10-02-2009, 11:29
I used to play a lot of 1000pt games at my local store, but that changed to 1500pts. Other than apocalypse games, I've not played more than 1500pts..........yet.

ehlijen
10-02-2009, 11:40
Most example armies in codices are meant to be about 1.5k (if they can get them right coughtaucough).

It's also the points limit I play most at.

slasher
10-02-2009, 11:40
iethor 1500 or 1750

ehlijen
10-02-2009, 12:20
iethor? That's a fascinating word :p

Eryx_UK
10-02-2009, 12:30
1500 seems a fair balance that won't take too long. However, if I have the time I like to play 2000 or 2500 simply because both sides can field more and it actually looks like a battle rather than a skirmish.

Darkhorse
10-02-2009, 12:51
Marines tend to stick at 1500, everyone else goes for 2000 in my experience.

x-esiv-4c
10-02-2009, 13:09
I design for 1500pt

Eldarion
10-02-2009, 13:14
At my local GW we play 1000-1250 points on average.

Necromancer2
10-02-2009, 13:24
I always build a 2000pt army.... but plan it in increments off 500pts.

Levett
10-02-2009, 13:27
Generally in the UK, i'd have to say 1500pts is played the majority of the time, however I'm starting to see 1750pts creeping up a lot more!

Bellygrub
10-02-2009, 13:30
Around here we do things in 500's. So 1000pts, 1500pts, 2000pts.

I had never heard of the 1250 and 1750 point games until I started reading forums online.

The_Outsider
10-02-2009, 13:31
Generally in the UK, i'd have to say 1500pts is played the majority of the time, however I'm starting to see 1750pts creeping up a lot more!

The UK is pretty firmly routed in the 1500 limit - obviously other points levels have a degree of popularity but the most comon size by far is 1500.

Democratus
10-02-2009, 14:04
Since the game is balanced for 1500, it's what I prefer. But at the local game stores tend to run 2000 points for their tournaments and events.

Doppleskanger
10-02-2009, 14:39
It totally depends where you are. it seems the local average is based on whatever the normal size of a tourney list is. In the UK that's 1500pts, In Ireland the North European rules came in a few years back so 1700pts is now the norm, which is great it basically just means one extra unit and a few extra upgrades. Doesn't really effect game length but somehow makes the army seem more complete. in the US it's apparently slightly bigger again (supersize me!)
You really need to say where you are

LittleLeadMen
10-02-2009, 15:15
in New York City, it's pretty much 2000pts as standard. A few 1850 games here or there, but no winces at 2k.

SPYDER68
10-02-2009, 15:17
I enjoy almost any size of game anymore, except over 2000 just takes to long and drags out.

DarkMatter2
10-02-2009, 15:17
Yeah, I've never played a game that wasn't 2000 pts.

Drongol
10-02-2009, 15:41
Why 1850? I always found that odd, as our games are usualy multiples of 500pts...(generaly 1500pts or 2000pts)...


A brief history of tournaments, at least in the US, as told by someone who's not really the biggest tournament player ever.

Waaay back in the 2nd Edition days, when we had to walk uphill through the snow both ways to the game store (and we liked it!) and GW wasn't an Evil Empire and the game was pure and good and light, tournaments were 2000 points and might have consisted of 3-5 squads of Space Marines or whatever. Keep in mind, back then a basic Tactical Marine was 30 points and came in fixed squad sizes of 10.

Then, along came the Great Shift of 3rd Edition and there was much gnashing of teeth and eBaying of armies. One of the biggest changes in 3rd Edition (aside from invalidating everyone's armies and making them rebuy everything just to be able to play again) was that units became much, much cheaper. Heck, Marines were cut in points by half! With that, tournaments were quickly adjusted to be played at the 1500 points level, as otherwise there'd be even more wailing of the veteran who now had to buy twice as much stuff as they already had to play the game.

Everyone played at 1500 points for quite some time and there was great rejoicing, or at least relatively little grumbling (sometimes it's hard to tell the difference). Then, Games Workshop released The One Kit to Rule Them All: the plastic Land Raider. Ever since its disappearance way back in the murky days of pre-Codex 2nd Edition (or was it RT?), these tanks had been the stuff of legends. Everyone wanted one, even the people who played Tyranids. However, everyone had already built their armies for tournament play and they weren't sure what to take out in order to fit this messianic model into their army.

The answer was simple: raise the points limit in tournament games. Now, you could take your entire tournament army, plus a Land Raider. Perfect! Brilliant! Oh frabjous day! Calloo! Callay!*

For many years, 1750 became the norm and everyone who couldn't run a Land Raider got themselves something less impressive, but probably more effective to use instead. And then came more toys: little things that the 3rd Edition Codices thought were largely useless, but we players ate up voraciously. And, as it went on, we realized that our armies were starting to stretch the seams of the points limit and please, sir, could we have another Spiky Bits?

And lo, the voice from up on the Mountain said that we could have another 100 points for toys in our lists, and it was good. And now, we have been stuck at 1850 points in this area for so long that I'm beginning to wonder when the Great Migration to 2000 Points will occur. Prophets and madmen are already hinting at it. Lock your doors, hide your children! Who knows when it might come!

Drongol

*Please note that I have no concrete evidence that the Land Raider was the reason for the rise in points for tournament play. I know that corellation does not necessitate causation, but the first tournament we played at 1750 points was the first tournament after the Land Raider's release. That's one of those things that make you go "hmmm..."

Levett
10-02-2009, 16:19
Drongol... that was actually a good read lol.

Jake-Man
10-02-2009, 17:22
750 points or 1000 points are where its at. 1500 points is good for mor organised games. only problem with small games is that you get some really beardy lists and if you have an elite army like marines then you may find your units outnumbered and outclassed by something like a nid army with a tyrant and lots of gaunts or something similar. though these can make for interesting games...

Ravenheart
10-02-2009, 17:26
Most games I play are at 1500p.

I also had quite a few games on 1000p, 1750p and 2000p too.

Marshal Augustine
10-02-2009, 17:28
Here we play 2K. And 1250 at the store because of table restrictions.

But it day most common would have to be 1700- 1850

Hicks
10-02-2009, 17:39
I usually play 1500pts games, but we are a lot into multiplayer matches so there is often 3000pts total on both sides.

marv335
10-02-2009, 17:43
1500 is the norm although I play a 1000 regularly too.
the game is designed for 1500pts and 25% cover. some armies are too effective at high points values, some a low points.

Ianos
10-02-2009, 17:49
From Athens GR, its mostly 1750+, with the odd 1500 for new players and GT training.

ruttman15
10-02-2009, 18:06
i like 1500.

Seth the Dark
10-02-2009, 18:13
Around here we play 1750 pts because that is what the tournaments are at. I also play 2000 pts sometimes.

IronNerd
10-02-2009, 18:43
I'm always surprised by the differences here. We usually do 2k games around here, and I love that limit. As some people have said, you get your cake and get to eat it too. This is a game after all, I WANT to be able to have fun. That being said, when your typical game is 2k, you realize how limited it can be. I don't even come close to filling a FOC at 2k...

Drongol
11-02-2009, 03:04
Drongol... that was actually a good read lol.

Always happy to please. Or pleased to be happy. Either way, really.

Drongol