innerwolf

10-02-2009, 10:23

Hi, I wanted to hear everyboody oppinions( and rule arguments) to clarify an issue which gives headaches to most gamers:

Uneven bigger( or smallest) bases on mixed units.

Example 1:

-Mounted character(25x50) on 20x20mm infantry( see atachment)

As you can see, the character fill the space of 2 models plus half of the other one. So he displaces 3 models. Following the recent FAQ, he would count as 3 models. Using another logic, you have 5 models in three consecutive ranks, so you should get 2 ranks bonus.

Some people argue that the mouned character don't completely fill the 3rd space, so it only counts as 2 models. But it's following the 6th rules. Now, if you displace a model(even by a bit) you count as taking his place.

The problem is: if you place the model in the middle of the unit instead of one side, it displaces 6 models! This sounds too abusive, but if the first instance is correct we should also acdept this one( even if it can be avoided by placing the mounted characters on the flanks)

Another argument of "count as two" followers is that a model uses his US to see how many models it displace. It's wrong on two accounts. first, there is no written rule on 7th which talks about that. Second, it creates a problems which will be treated on the next examples.

Example 2:

-Doombull( 40x40) with bestigors( 25x25)

Here the Doombull incompletely fills 4 spaces, and it's generally accepted it couns as 4 models. For coherency it should be the same with cavalry characters.

Now on US argument: A Doombull has US 3( ogre sized infantry), so, shouldn't him( following this logic) displace only 3 models? And what models? Two on the front and one on the back, so you have to place an extra odd model in the second rank to get the bonus? Or one on the front rank and two on the second rank?

Example 3:

- Random Chaos/Daemon hero on Juggernauth/Daemonic mount( 50x50)

We see no problem with fitting, but... if we used US to count the displaced models, we would have a problem. his models only have US 2. So we have the same problem we had with Doombull. The character fills 4 spaces but only count as two models? What do you have to do to get the second rank, do you have to place one extra model on each flank?

I hope I have summed up all the problems/arguments so you can take your side and contribute with your points of view.

Uneven bigger( or smallest) bases on mixed units.

Example 1:

-Mounted character(25x50) on 20x20mm infantry( see atachment)

As you can see, the character fill the space of 2 models plus half of the other one. So he displaces 3 models. Following the recent FAQ, he would count as 3 models. Using another logic, you have 5 models in three consecutive ranks, so you should get 2 ranks bonus.

Some people argue that the mouned character don't completely fill the 3rd space, so it only counts as 2 models. But it's following the 6th rules. Now, if you displace a model(even by a bit) you count as taking his place.

The problem is: if you place the model in the middle of the unit instead of one side, it displaces 6 models! This sounds too abusive, but if the first instance is correct we should also acdept this one( even if it can be avoided by placing the mounted characters on the flanks)

Another argument of "count as two" followers is that a model uses his US to see how many models it displace. It's wrong on two accounts. first, there is no written rule on 7th which talks about that. Second, it creates a problems which will be treated on the next examples.

Example 2:

-Doombull( 40x40) with bestigors( 25x25)

Here the Doombull incompletely fills 4 spaces, and it's generally accepted it couns as 4 models. For coherency it should be the same with cavalry characters.

Now on US argument: A Doombull has US 3( ogre sized infantry), so, shouldn't him( following this logic) displace only 3 models? And what models? Two on the front and one on the back, so you have to place an extra odd model in the second rank to get the bonus? Or one on the front rank and two on the second rank?

Example 3:

- Random Chaos/Daemon hero on Juggernauth/Daemonic mount( 50x50)

We see no problem with fitting, but... if we used US to count the displaced models, we would have a problem. his models only have US 2. So we have the same problem we had with Doombull. The character fills 4 spaces but only count as two models? What do you have to do to get the second rank, do you have to place one extra model on each flank?

I hope I have summed up all the problems/arguments so you can take your side and contribute with your points of view.