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Poseidal
11-02-2009, 23:14
Question: when did GW decide to make Ultramarines the star chapter?

Because in RT, the cover boys were the Crimson Fists, and the Ultramarines were just a descended chapter from the Rainbow Warriors (all the colour marines were then) and not the centre of attention.

In 2nd ed, the cover chapter is Blood Angels, on both the box and the wargear book (I think the main rulebook had the same cover as Rogue Trader).

When was the big shift to the Ultramarines and what reasoning was it?

Especially as Ultramarines is a silly name (it's a pun) and doesn't sound as chapter like as (say) the Crimson Fists.

Lame Duck
11-02-2009, 23:47
Well next edition it's the Uberkickyoassupandowndahstreetcausewel33tmarines, so not to worry.

Probably because they're easier/quicker to paint.

Ganymene
11-02-2009, 23:52
Especially as Ultramarines is a silly name (it's a pun) and doesn't sound as chapter like as (say) the Crimson Fists.

They're called Ultramarines because they're from Ultramar. :rolleyes:

Duh. :D

Oh, and they weren't named after the color, the color was named after them because SMurfs iz teh BEZTAZT!!11!!one!1!111!




But seriously, I am not sure when GW decided to start cramming Ultramarines down everyone's throats.

Wasn't there a Codex:Ultramarines (besides the new one) way back in the day?

TheMartyr451
12-02-2009, 00:01
Wasn't there a Codex:Ultramarines (besides the new one) way back in the day?

Yes, the 2nd edition codex. It also covered all the other chapters besides Dark/Blood Angels (which shared a codex called Angels of Death), and Space Wolves.

To be honest GW made Ultramarines a lot more interesting in that codex than in the newer ones.

Cadaver Junkie
12-02-2009, 00:23
I remember reading somewhere that blue and white are a very..."friendly" combination, psychologically, especially the lighter blue in which the ultramarines are painted.

And by "friendly", I mean it looks better to customers and consumers in general - the company where I work has employed this very thing in their logo which they splay in massive white on blue lettering above all their stores.


My bet is that GW made them the poster boys through a marketing approach more than anything else... Not that it worries me too much, 'cos regardless, I think it's a pretty sweet looking chapter when painted up well (pity they're mostly collected by newbies into the hobby!!)

Murrithius
12-02-2009, 00:31
Not that it worries me too much, 'cos regardless, I think it's a pretty sweet looking chapter when painted up well (pity they're mostly collected by newbies into the hobby!!)


Too true about the noobs.

It comes down to the contrasting colours. Blue, white and yellow (I refuse to follow GW and paint my Ultra's up as Fosters cans).

Funny thing is, when I started collecting way back in the days of 2nd ed, Blood Angels filled the spot that Ultra's do now. I think it comes down to what's on the front of the boxes. (Blood Angels back then). If the boxed game and the squad/tank boxes were all painted up as Novamarines, then they would be the most popular.

SimonL
12-02-2009, 00:41
They're called Ultramarines because they're from Ultramar.

Anyone else begin to chuckle (much to the confusion of everyone else) upon passing an Ultramar? ;)

HsojVvad
12-02-2009, 02:57
Especially as Ultramarines is a silly name (it's a pun) and doesn't sound as chapter like as (say) the Crimson Fists.


I don't get the pun. Please explain. :)

swordwind
12-02-2009, 03:04
Ultra-marines

Vesica
12-02-2009, 04:03
I remember reading somewhere that blue and white are a very..."friendly" combination, psychologically, especially the lighter blue in which the ultramarines are painted.

And by "friendly", I mean it looks better to customers and consumers in general - the company where I work has employed this very thing in their logo which they splay in massive white on blue lettering above all their stores.


My bet is that GW made them the poster boys through a marketing approach more than anything else... Not that it worries me too much, 'cos regardless, I think it's a pretty sweet looking chapter when painted up well (pity they're mostly collected by newbies into the hobby!!)

I've never heard Space Marines described as friendly :D


I think the main reason they are the main chapter used is because there wimpy ass power mad primarch wrote the codex astartes and his chaper are perfect.

Warforger
12-02-2009, 04:23
Basiclly, from what I've read, 1st edition was Crimson Fists or any other chapter, it wasn't really dominated much, 2nd edition Blood Angels, now 3rd iw where it starts

GW saw that fanboism for Blood Angels was dropping with new sets of players, so they brought forth the Black Templar, which had some popularity, but the new people liked Ultramarines more so they went on with them as there star chapter.

From then on Calgar got terminator armor and his snazzy honor guard, blah blah blah.

the1stpip
12-02-2009, 08:36
Nah, it started in 2nd ed, especially after Ichar IV.

Grimtuff
12-02-2009, 08:44
Because in RT, the cover boys were the Crimson Fists, and the Ultramarines were just a descended chapter from the Rainbow Warriors (all the colour marines were then) and not the centre of attention.


In RT SM were also brainwashed criminals and Tiguruius was half Eldar. I think we can safely ignore much of the background presented in RT. ;)

Poseidal
12-02-2009, 08:46
I don't get the pun. Please explain. :)

Ultramarine is a shade of blue, which is the colour of the chapter and a play on 'ultra marine'.

Tarquinn
12-02-2009, 08:51
Nah, it started in 2nd ed, especially after Ichar IV.

Exactly. The Ultramarines were also the first (and only?) chapter to get a fully painted company. That was long before the 3rd edition.

So this isnīt a new phenomenon at all, and I wish you would all stop whining about it.

genestealer_baldric
12-02-2009, 09:01
it may also help the noobs when they explain to mummy and daddy about the chapter they explain as good behaved nice warriors with a rather bland history rather than other chapters try explaining these to disaporving parents.

blood angles: well they are blood thirsty vampires in space that love blood
space wolves: drunk, vicious space vikings who hate authroity of adminstrum
dark angles : secretive chapter half who turned to chaos and evil and the lurking of evil remains
iron hands: are rather to "fond" of mechanical implants
salmanders: who like to burn people
white scars: hells angles in space
imperial fists: who love lego... sorry i mean building fortresses

apart from form IF they are "Nicest" chapter out there being happy freindly orgainsed, they wont mind as much getting them for thgem.

Nakor
12-02-2009, 09:07
holy crap ultramar is real??!!

Vote Kantor
12-02-2009, 09:29
Anyone else begin to chuckle (much to the confusion of everyone else) upon passing an Ultramar? ;)

Hahahaha i knew there was a reason i hated smurfs, their bloody gas station workers in disguise, (no wonder i wiped them out twice in one day (1st game 1000 point, only smurf survivors were an immobilised dreadnaught w. no guns and its drop pod) ill start a thread for theother in battle reports

oh and :p:p:p:p that is the most awesome pic ever, my new background at home

Reflex
12-02-2009, 09:39
white scars: hells angles in space


.. omg i wanna do that army now! :eek:

but i wonder if they explain to mummy and daddy that the ultramarines are arrogant bastards?? gw seem to have made that point throughly in the new codex.

Grimtuff
12-02-2009, 09:57
white scars: hells angles in space


Firstly, its ANGELS, not Angles. Secondly White Scars are Mongols (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_Empire) in space.

genestealer_baldric
12-02-2009, 10:04
Firstly, its ANGELS, not Angles. Secondly White Scars are Mongols (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_Empire) in space.

i know there cultres is like mongols but i said hell angels was because i was un aware that alltila the hun (sp) used harley davidsons/attack bikes. ;)

edit: i surpose i shouldn't mention biker mice from mars then :D

Reflex
12-02-2009, 10:09
White scars being bikie gangs way coola! wait wasnt there a race that were like that.. ohh what were they called. god for the life of squats i cant remember what they were called. ;)

Leo
12-02-2009, 10:10
Exactly. The Ultramarines were also the first (and only?) chapter to get a fully painted company. That was long before the 3rd edition.

So this isnīt a new phenomenon at all, and I wish you would all stop whining about it.

dumb anti marine flaming, telling the world how much you hate them, whining about them being too strong in-game as well as claiming to beat them all the time (sometimes in the same post) are the main drive of Warseers (or any 40k forums) community to post anything. Without it, many people would only have a fraction of the post count they have today.

Ultramarines are the cop out for specialist chapter players to join in on the verbal beating and still continuing with their respective army.

So Eldar and Tau players flame against Marines, Chaos players flame against loyalist Marines, players of specialist chapters with their own Codex flame against users of the basic Marine Codex and everyone flames against Ultramarines (provided they donīt play them).

Those desperate attempts of aggrandizement are a lot of fun to read so Iīll thank you for not taking such a lively source of 'discussion' away from internet forums, they kind of rely on it.

Korras
12-02-2009, 10:56
well.. certain Ultramarines have been known to show Space-wolf like behaviour at times (Ventris, on Tarsis Ultra, with the rhino-riding), so I'm pretty sure all their arrogant behaviour is just the topping of the iceberg. I'd bet that they have wild drinking parties after working hours are over. :p

Lord Damocles
12-02-2009, 10:58
blood angles: well they are blood thirsty vampires in space that love blood
If you believe the tripe that James Swallow writes, they don't even drink blood any more :rolleyes:

genestealer_baldric
12-02-2009, 11:08
well.. certain Ultramarines have been known to show Space-wolf like behaviour at times (Ventris, on Tarsis Ultra, with the rhino-riding), so I'm pretty sure all their arrogant behaviour is just the topping of the iceberg. I'd bet that they have wild drinking parties after working hours are over. :p



:eek: you just compare the ventris with a space wolf, HERTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! may you ripped apart by the giant flying spaghetti monster:evilgrin::mad:

take it back right now :D

and btw a shandy isnt a real drink ;)


edit: No blood drinking anymore, ah phooy we need our old school space vamps back

Corrode
12-02-2009, 11:30
dumb anti marine flaming, telling the world how much you hate them, whining about them being too strong in-game as well as claiming to beat them all the time (sometimes in the same post) are the main drive of Warseers (or any 40k forums) community to post anything. Without it, many people would only have a fraction of the post count they have today.

Ultramarines are the cop out for specialist chapter players to join in on the verbal beating and still continuing with their respective army.

So Eldar and Tau players flame against Marines, Chaos players flame against loyalist Marines, players of specialist chapters with their own Codex flame against users of the basic Marine Codex and everyone flames against Ultramarines (provided they donīt play them).

Those desperate attempts of aggrandizement are a lot of fun to read so Iīll thank you for not taking such a lively source of 'discussion' away from internet forums, they kind of rely on it.

I love Marines. I love the imagery, the concept, everything about them. I'm absolutely comfortable saying that I think Marines of all flavours kick ass - I played Blood Angels as a kid and I intend to put some Imperial Fists together at some point or another. I have no problems facing them, I have no problems playing them.

After reading the recent codex I despise Ultramarines, specifically, because as far as that book was concerned there was no room for anything else. I don't mind that the Ultramarines are the 'perfect' Codex chapter - they wrote the bloody thing. But half a book of Ultra-exclusive fluff, which simultaneously ignores various other chapters and even claims that legitimate First Founding Chapters just wish they were Ultramarines cos they're like totally teh bestest, is too much. I have no problem with Ultras being the poster boys, I do not like seeing them represented to the exclusion of everything else that's interesting about Space Marines.